Great discussion. I appreciate Sean Luke's thoughtful presentation. I think the real value in this talk is the recognition of what's really going on in the CN realm. I don't take much issue with CN in itself, or as argued by Stephen Wolfe, but the movement surrounding it is quite carnal. Good to see other Christians realize this and talk about it. Good job, gentlemen.
Sean's Dog Barking is part of my systematic theology XD In all seriousness, great discussion gentlemen. Much needed in this time of confusion. The rise of the Right-Wing Identity politics is the next front that must be tackled in order to squash identity politics in general and focus on Gospel informed public policy. Like Sean said, top-down legislation leads to eventual revolution, this is why the Left-Wing woke agenda was so radically rejected this election cycle (they were forcing their views). Rather legislation that is bottom-up remains institutionalized. The reason why Postmodernism and Secularism infiltrated society has multiple sources of origin but to summarize them quickly: 1. The Frankfurt School's influence in colleges. 2. The 19th Century Liberalism (nonpolitical) that swept theological schools. 3. The Rise of Dispensationalism and Fundamentalism in response to said liberalism, this led to many Christians abandoning college during the 1950s and 1960s. 4. The Rise of Hollywood. 5. Mega Corporations that centralized economic power. 6. The students of the Frankfurt influenced colleges were hired in Hollywood, Mega Corporations, Government, and even the Church. The way to recuperate the Republic is not through the Sword, rather education and media influence. This in turn leads to Christian ideas filtering through the people which leads to the people demanding legislation that addresses their concerns.
From what I can tell, the political goals I’d like to see achieved and the way I’d like society to be run are pretty similar to the Christian Nationalist crowd. My main issue with them is that “nationalism” is an enlightenment term (specifically from enlightenment France, where an attempt was made to substitute national identity for religious identity). I really see no reason to attack them. It was interesting to hear Sean Luke’s conception of “Christic Liberalism” but it is ultimately a vision I would take opposition to as I come from a broadly Elite Theorist and anti-Enlightenment position. There is no such thing as a neutral institution. Some religious group will control the state. Right now it is progressivism (or whatever you want to call it). I would like it to be a strain (or strains) of orthodox Christianity which seeks to broadly benefit the peoples who live here. I am of course willing to work with other non-Christian groups as well, but I want Christians to be steering the ship, not them.
Very interesting I think I'm tracking with what you're advocating! To head off counterarguments (especially from libertarian types) what would you say regarding where the state gets the "power" to implement "non-coercive power"? Since taxation is coercive by nature would taxes be (justly) appropriated towards the implementation of political freedom only? Would a separate tax be levied against only Christians that would be utilized in the "non-coercive" manner. I'm just imagining a group that theoretically could complain that they are being coerced when their taxes are being used on a civic center for the arts when they might oppose art for some reason. Thanks!
Maybe I'm a dumby, but is this advocating for a Christianized republic (like early America) or is it wanting an americanized system like the brits have, where it's church and state working together, but separate jurisdictions?
Mikkel a Lutheran from Denmark who has the "Truth unto Godliness" RUclips channel. Javier had him on the program before actually. He said in a video that miscegenation aka interracial marriage is not technically sinful but that its unwise and he doesn't think people should do it. I could not believe what I was hearing I was so disappointed and frankly disgusted.
44:53 Sean's dog hates tyranny confirmed
Exactly what I thought.
Real good stuff! I very much agree as a proponent of Christian Democracy.
Great discussion. I appreciate Sean Luke's thoughtful presentation. I think the real value in this talk is the recognition of what's really going on in the CN realm. I don't take much issue with CN in itself, or as argued by Stephen Wolfe, but the movement surrounding it is quite carnal. Good to see other Christians realize this and talk about it. Good job, gentlemen.
Two great men of the faith, keep up the good work, gentlemen! Post Tenebras Lux!
Very important topic. I look forward to watching this!
Sean's Dog Barking is part of my systematic theology XD
In all seriousness, great discussion gentlemen. Much needed in this time of confusion. The rise of the Right-Wing Identity politics is the next front that must be tackled in order to squash identity politics in general and focus on Gospel informed public policy. Like Sean said, top-down legislation leads to eventual revolution, this is why the Left-Wing woke agenda was so radically rejected this election cycle (they were forcing their views). Rather legislation that is bottom-up remains institutionalized. The reason why Postmodernism and Secularism infiltrated society has multiple sources of origin but to summarize them quickly:
1. The Frankfurt School's influence in colleges.
2. The 19th Century Liberalism (nonpolitical) that swept theological schools.
3. The Rise of Dispensationalism and Fundamentalism in response to said liberalism, this led to many Christians abandoning college during the 1950s and 1960s.
4. The Rise of Hollywood.
5. Mega Corporations that centralized economic power.
6. The students of the Frankfurt influenced colleges were hired in Hollywood, Mega Corporations, Government, and even the Church.
The way to recuperate the Republic is not through the Sword, rather education and media influence. This in turn leads to Christian ideas filtering through the people which leads to the people demanding legislation that addresses their concerns.
Also thank you for this episode so much! This is very much needed!!!!
From what I can tell, the political goals I’d like to see achieved and the way I’d like society to be run are pretty similar to the Christian Nationalist crowd. My main issue with them is that “nationalism” is an enlightenment term (specifically from enlightenment France, where an attempt was made to substitute national identity for religious identity). I really see no reason to attack them.
It was interesting to hear Sean Luke’s conception of “Christic Liberalism” but it is ultimately a vision I would take opposition to as I come from a broadly Elite Theorist and anti-Enlightenment position. There is no such thing as a neutral institution. Some religious group will control the state. Right now it is progressivism (or whatever you want to call it). I would like it to be a strain (or strains) of orthodox Christianity which seeks to broadly benefit the peoples who live here. I am of course willing to work with other non-Christian groups as well, but I want Christians to be steering the ship, not them.
Christic Liberalism is super cool (and, I think, correct!). Thanks for the video, Javier & Sean!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting I think I'm tracking with what you're advocating! To head off counterarguments (especially from libertarian types) what would you say regarding where the state gets the "power" to implement "non-coercive power"? Since taxation is coercive by nature would taxes be (justly) appropriated towards the implementation of political freedom only? Would a separate tax be levied against only Christians that would be utilized in the "non-coercive" manner. I'm just imagining a group that theoretically could complain that they are being coerced when their taxes are being used on a civic center for the arts when they might oppose art for some reason. Thanks!
Maybe I'm a dumby, but is this advocating for a Christianized republic (like early America) or is it wanting an americanized system like the brits have, where it's church and state working together, but separate jurisdictions?
Mikkel a Lutheran from Denmark who has the "Truth unto Godliness" RUclips channel. Javier had him on the program before actually. He said in a video that miscegenation aka interracial marriage is not technically sinful but that its unwise and he doesn't think people should do it. I could not believe what I was hearing I was so disappointed and frankly disgusted.
You sound like you might be evil.
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