Do Latter-day Saints believe that Cain is Bigfoot? | Ep. 205
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- There is a legend among Latter-day Saints - a tall tale - which suggests that the folkloric creature Bigfoot is actually an immortalized, cursed Cain (as in the Cain who killed his brother, Abel, in the Bible). Is this legend true? Is Cain Bigfoot? Let’s talk about it.
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- “A Mormon Bigfoot: David Patten's Cain and the Conception of Evil in LDS Folklore,” by Matthew Bowmen (Journal of Mormon History): bit.ly/3OfP6G5
- “Cain and Bigfoot” sources via Mormonr: bit.ly/435AzBb
- Patten story as published in “The Miracle of Forgiveness”: bit.ly/3OdJSuq
- Patten’s 1900 biography: bit.ly/3MyDFbw
- “Question: Does Cain still roam the earth, and does this account for stories about ‘Bigfoot’?” via FAIR: bit.ly/4589hM4
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I've been begging David for two years to write this episode.
Thank you for your persistence, Taylor!
😂 #life goals. Well done Taylor and David!
😂😂😂 Thank you!!
Thank u 😂
I really hope this is a start of an October marathon of (debunking?) LDS campfire stories!
Amen!!
Kudos to the editing department! You guys rocked this episode!
When I was in high school seminary, one student asked the seminary teacher, "Do you think that Bigfoot is Cain?" Our teacher replied, "I'll believe the Monsters Inc explanation of where Bigfoot came from before I believe that." 😂
monsters Inc explains where bigfoot comes from?
That was The Abominable Snowman. "Welcome to the Himalayas!" But then again, Sasquatch and Yeti could be the same creature migrating to different parts of the world. Ponder that! LOL! P.S. Not Cain.
@@everaldodejesus4018 There's a part where Mike Wazowski says that Bigfoot, Yeti, and Loch Ness were banished.
I lost a very good friend because of his insistence that this happened. However, one only has to look to the scriptures to see who was alive after the flood & Cain was not one of these people.
It is not clear to me that Kimball believed the story, just thought it high lighted a principle he was teaching.
Maybe he could swim really well?
Cain can not die and that is how he made it through the flood.@@MommaCrissa
You should have listened to your friend.
I honestly couldn't believe anyone could seriously equate Cain to Bigfoot!! That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard!! I suppose reading Patton's story, it could confuse a couple of people, but really!? Think about it, folks!!
Thanks for getting us into the Halloween spirit with this! 😁
“Five stars for entertainment, two for accuracy.”
Ok, now we wait for kwaku's take on this
Kwaku has not been a part of Saints Unscripted for years.
@@brettmajeske3525 I know, bro, but he is on ward radio
@@p_ter2934 Never heard of it.
I dont think that in order to believe Patton’s story we necessarily have to believe the “cain is Bigfoot” part. There’s also a story where Cain showed up near the dedication of the Hawaii temple. The idea that he still roams the earth isn’t close to impossible based on the scriptures and the accounts.
I think it very well could have been Cain. I mean if he was cursed then that means he was probably cursed by Satan and potentially became a demon? I mean God gives blessings and Satan gives curses. And if Cain decided one day to kill his brother he probably did it out if jealousy and hatred and maybe he was conversing with the devil who promised Cain eternal life if he killed his brother. Therefore he was forever cursed and according to Patten a very miserable person who’s main purpose is to destroy man. But who knows!
My grandpa (in his late 70s) believes this. I always thought it was a him thing…I didn’t actually think that anybody else believed it. 😂
My mom also believes it! Lol.
It makes me wonder, though, what the actual experience David W. Patten had that night, that apparently Bro. Smoot mis-remembered. That's the real question.
Neither Smoot nor Patten identify the figure as Bigfoot.
There wasn't any fast media then, other people could have seen him and you would never know. I have seen him,
Cain that is and he looks just like people describe him. All the pictures and videos of him are fake though.@@brettmajeske3525
I wasn't interested in Bigfoot. I was more interested in whether Patten actually believed he saw Cain or not, or if Patten saw what he thought was an evil spirit of some kind, or if the story just got completely misconstrued over time. Most likely it was the latter.@@brettmajeske3525
It was daytime not night when he saw him. It makes me wonder why you think 3 apostles and 2 ex-presidents of the church would have no discernment for the truth?
@@Rudyard_Stripling Because that is no the claim being made. Being an Apostle is not magic, not every opinion is the result of direct revelation. Kimball repeats a story from history to make a point. He also used the story of Rip Van Winkle to make a point. Using a story to illustrate a concept is not a revelatory endorsement of the historical nature of that story.
Parables do not need to be factual to be illustrative.
“There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy” But there are primary questions and secondary questions. I can wait until heaven to find out about Bigfoot, Sasquatch, the Bigfoot of Mexico, Bigfoot of the Andes, and the Yeti:)
Oh man, cmon this is the best story. Now my grandkids won’t believe me anymore.
There’s a implication here that the story was describing Bigfoot. Or rather there’s one option. The story could be true and Bigfoot could be false. Or they can both be false.
Regardless I loved this episode and have been waiting for this!
Where in the Bible does it say that Cain died?
We are told how Abel died and the deaths of Adam and Seth are both recorded in Gen 5:3-8, yet we are never told about Cain's death. While there are many people in the Bible whose deaths are not mentioned, the silence over Cain's death creates yet another theological problem.
I also know that Hugh Nibley saw him when was about 12 years old.
How do you think that the silence over Cain's death create another problem, when you yourself state that there are many people in the Bible whose deaths aren't mentioned? Perhaps his death wasn't recorded by the original writers due to his separation from his original family? There's more than enough plausible explanations for why his death isn't mentioned that should be considered before putting one's faith in a non-doctrinal folktale.
I see in another comment you've written here that you claim to have seen Bigfoot in person. I definitely can't argue with you on your own experience, but even if you've seen Bigfoot, do you have any proof that it's Cain?
I can't lie, this whole story is really fun to believe and talk about, but at the end of the day, until it's confirmed clearly by the Lord or His Church, I think we should admit that there's a lack of evidence to say with surety.
I was young and saw Cain looking through the window at me as my bed was next to the window and I was bound and could not move yes he was Cain and he looked just like he is described by others. No photos or videos however look like him they are fake at least all the ones I have seen. My mother and sister lived in Provo several decades ago and Hugh Nibley was their gospel doctrine teacher. They saw Nibley in a park after I had told them I had seen Cain decades after it happened and Nibley told them he had seen Cain when he was about 12 years old. I never told anyone about what I had seen until I read about it in The Miracle of Forgiveness. Then I told a lot of people. I also have two cousins who saw Cain together at the same time and they saw him move at incredible speed/200 yards in 2-3 seconds. @@travisdurrans8866
I kinda think Cain would have died during The Flood.
1 Peter 3:20 supports that theory, it says: “…once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
Those 8 souls were Noah, his 3 sons and each of their wives
But it could also be that Peter was sharing with us the common belief they held back then, and not necessarily sharing revelation on the matter.
Enoch and his whole city did not drown in the flood. Nibley said once the Romani were descendants of Cain and the Romani have been persecuted like no other people on the earth, worse than the Jews even, look them up.@@Viisas01
I've heard this stoey many times as a kid growing up in the church. Each telling had different details. Thanks for this
Hahaha Nice editing! nailed it
You know the funny thing is, that I would expect this sort of topic from "Ward Radio". Sounds like the kind of thing they'd be into lol
We should totally request a story like this and spend an hour listening to them dance around it🤣🤣
Yeah then we can listen to Kwaku tell us how Cain is related to Lizard people 😂
Lol David's tons throughout this whole video is priceless 😂😂😂
Cain definitely is still walking. Apostles and prophets have said they’ve seen him. I believe it was Hinckley or Benson perhaps but they said that Cain chased them while they were driving away. He doesn’t have to be Bigfoot but I feel the records show that he is still walking.
I have never heard of this "legend". Short answer -- NO. Long answer -- also no. But makes for a great YT video. Thanks for the chuckle.
Epic video
Interesting approach. One thing missing on David Patten’s story is that, there are 2 appearances of Cain. There’s a book called: The Three Nephites, by Bruce E. Dana, were you can find the second appearance of Cain. Also read Moises chapter 5.
Very interesting. I have never heard this story before so I must be living under a rock lol🤣.
I had no idea that's where the story came from🤷♀️. Video was fun to watch, great job👌
Terrifying! But thank God for power of Jesus and his name.
One topic that David didnt do justice. I agree with him on the point that IT ISN'T DOCTRINE. But there is a lot more to consider on the subject and David is just too dismissive.
There no primary accounts, just third hand hearsay.
Amen to that, I have seen Cain once in my life, I have also seen the opposite of Cain once in my life.
@@Rudyard_StriplingWhat do you mean about the opposite of Cain?
@@Rudyard_Stripling Uhmmm....Jesus?
Please correct me where my analysis goes wrong. Happy to have my mind changed on this.
David W. Patten described an encounter in 1835 with a person who looked like Bigfoot. Now, when we refer to that particular character in Mr. Patten's story, reference is made to Cain literally or to Cain symbolically as a people, as one of his descendants, in the same way that in modern times we say Israel both referring to Jacob. or the people of Israel.....now that there are people who fit Patten's description, it is being proven to be true not only in North America but also on other continents.
David W. Patten describio un encuentro ocurrido en 1835 con una persona de especto igual a Bigfoot. Ahora , bien, cuando nos referimos a ese personaje en particular del relato del Señor Patten, se hace referencia a Cain literalmente o a Cain simbolicamente como pueblo, como uno de sus descendientes, de la misma forma que en tiempos modernos decimos Israel tanto refiriendonos a Jacob o al pueblo de Israel.....ahora que existen personas que se adaptan a la descripcion de Patten se esta comprobando de que es verdad no solo en Norte America sino tambien en otros continentes.
Oh man, the History channel burn was out of this world! Not unlike many of the causes of historical events according to them.
After the History Channel claimed that _the angel Moroni claimed_ he was an alien from the Pleiades Star Cluster, I lost all hope.
@@davidsnell2605 Hang on, you're saying that's NOT in Joseph Smith history? 😂
I've been a member my whole life and I've never heard this. There was a mark on Cain but I don't belive he lived forever or that he's Bigfoot.
I suppose one thing I don't quite get is where he got the idea that the personage was Cain. Nothing in the excerpt quoted identifies him as such. The personage could just as easily be one of Satan's angels, choosing to visually appear in an unsettling form. We know that Satan and his followers were cast down to Earth, and since they are just spirits they cannot technically die, so that would explain why the personage describes himself as a miserable creature (I imagine all the hosts of Hell are miserable) and that he had sought death but could not find it (I could also imagine demons being so wracked with torment and resentment and shame that they would rather find some way to cease to exist, which we know can't happen), and it would explain why he said that his mission was to destroy the souls of men, as that's just about all that Satan's angels try to do with their time. And, lastly, I find it curious that commanding the personage in the name of Christ got it to depart. I don't think anyone but devils can be compelled to do something when commanded in the name of Jesus Christ, so I don't know why it would apply to Cain. So I think it was either just a demon trying to be unsettling for some purpose, or it's just pure folktale.
Ok, so if the flood covered the earth and the only ones to survive were on the ark...Cain isn't around.
The spirit of cain though... the spirit prison is on this earth.... thats what Brigham Young taught, and bad spirits can possess bodies of corruption.... so....
He was just bobbing around
I came to this conclusion by myself when I was like 10... I thought that I was the only one who thought this
Cain immortality thing is utterly preposterous. Like, if i was immortal and i hated god, do you know how much experience points i would get from killing everyone.
You should have warned me that this video was going to be lame. I love you guys.
Oh no this breaks my heart.
This is hilarious, Cain is not Bigfoot! This has to be said? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
So do we or do we not believe the apostles account? Or do we believe the account was immediately conflated? 🤔
Look at the JS Papers for his meeting with Cain. Very similar. experience. If you can find this reference it would be a great episode.
Very well done, as always.
Very informational, thank you!
Alright David.
Some people in my country believe in folklore creatures way stranger than Big Foot, and some members associate some of them with Cain as well.
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Does Cain die in the book of Jasher?
No record of his death in any scripture.
@kyleeagar2423 I thought that was an interesting question. Looks like Cain is mentioned to having died in Jasher 2:30. Obviously weigh that as heavily or lightly as you want, being that it's apocryphal, but it's kind of fun to note.
@@davidp5114 Hugh Nibley thought it was a fabrication to try and explain some odd things said by Lamech.
Yes!!! Loved it. Thanks. And what was Spencer Kimball thinking?
Using a story to illustrate a point. In other times he used the story of Rip VanWinkle, which does not mean he thought that was factual.
Short answer, no. We do not.
Never heard this before lol
Genesis 4 11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand; Cain was cursed opposite of his brother, the death accepted Abel's body as it says received thy brothers blood. The Lord cursed Cain that his blood could never be received by the earth. Because he killed his brother the Lord made him where he could never be killed, making him miserable for the rest of his days.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; His curse was that no one could ever slay him.
I disagree with this interpretation, but am happy to agree to disagree.
I saw Cain when I was about 8.I didn't know what I had seen and I never told anyone about it. I read about Cain in the Mir of For when I was about 28 and then I knew what I had seen. I told my family about my experience. My mother and sister were living in Provo at the time and Hugh Nibley was their gospel doctrine teacher. They had run into him in a park somewhere and asked him about Cain. He told them he had seen Cain once when he was about 12 and he had never told anyone about it until just now. I got his number and called him up and I started to question him about his experience and he cut me off saying there are much better things we can talk about. I also have two cousins who saw him at the same time together, one cousin will tell you all about it and the other won't say anything because he doesn't want people to think is not all there. So there you have it.@@davidsnell2605
@@Rudyard_Stripling I want to treat your personal experiences with the utmost respect, so please don't misinterpret my tone. But out of curiosity, what makes you think that what you saw when you were 8 years old was Cain? Was his identity at all verifiable, or was it just the assumption you made (or feeling/impression you got) after reading MoF?
I threw the covers over my head and was bound, I could not move or speak for I don't know how long. Pure evil power and very strong.@@davidsnell2605
All I saw was his head and face looking in the window at me. My bed was next to the window. His asking was very dark black and leathery, he had some large wrinkles and what I remember best is how thick and coarse his hair was all over his head, very large diameter hair that stuck straight out. His head was more square than rounded and it was huge taking up almost the entire window.@@davidsnell2605
But you have to ask yourself if the story is true. What then? How do you reconcile that? Call me crazy, but I have a family member who has had a first hand experience that has scarred him for life and required personal, in home visits from a physiologist for months after the incident to convince him to leave the house. I believe the account mentioned in the video and I believe my family member.
I had heard this story but it happened in Northern Ohio in the version I heard, and that the bigfoot claimed he was once evil but was now good and that they are being kept in reserve by God until they are loosed upon the enemies of the saints,
Bigfoot is Lds absolutely
I'm still willing to say anything is possible.
I think we all know by now that especially in life these days, if some people hear an idea or even a questionable story, they'll likely RUN with it, and word of mouth, being what it is, is like playing the game, "TELEPHONE". People will hear what they want to hear, repeat the parts they especially like, and run to tell the next potentially gullible person. Thus, it's not hard to imagine how a story or idea involving both Cain & Bigfoot would end up in the same (off the wall) story. 😄
Everyone enjoys using their imagination now and then!😉😮
Perfect explanation for religion
ive literally never heard of this before
You and me both and I'm old🤷♀️.
You really put your foot in your mouth this time brother, there is no account of Cain dying in the scriptures and I as an eyewitness solemnly declare you have not the gift of discernment.
I'll agree to disagree, for reasons expressed in my other responses to your other comments.
Great episode. Cleaning up the cobwebs!
8 People was saved on the ark at the flood......1 Peter 3:20 /// Then CAIN? Does he have his own BOAT?
Big foot is just as logical as joseph smith "translating" off a rock. Actually, the big foot myth is more believable.
Well no Cain is Not a Bigfoot but he Was Marketh of Cain and no also he isn't Immortal but it is a Theory that He is walking today
Is cain still alive then? (also do you think cain has met bigfoot, lol)?
Why would Cain still be alive?
Wow new intro
2 Peter 3:7 and D&C 88:102
I like David!
You have to be silly to say without a doubt Cain is not Bigfoot.
Could it be.... chupacabra?!?!? GASP!
How do you no
Halloween episode!! 🎃🦍
I am a Latter Day Saint and I have seen Cain once, I have two cousins who also saw him at the same time. Any more questions?
Sure, who was this normal guy you met who’s parents thought it was a good idea to name their child Cain?
Lol... my first thought was hallucination🤣. Family member would make more sense
I guess the first apostle to die a martyr David W Patten was hallucinating also and Abraham O Smoot, and Spencer Kimble both ex Presidents had no discernment of the truth either. Let's see 3 apostles and 2 ex Presidents of the church, it doesn't get more credible than that for a Latter Day Saint.@@StompMom5
He looked like the way David W. Patten described him, his skin was dark black and leathery and he had hair all over his body and the hair was very coarse and large, his head was huge and square looking. I only saw his face as he was looking in at me from my window when I woke up. All I could do was pull the covers over my head and then I was bound, could not move or talk and I never told anyone about it until 20 years later when I read about it in the Mir of For.@@MommaCrissa
David W. Patten described an encounter in 1835 with a person who looked like Bigfoot. Now, when we refer to that particular character in Mr. Patten's story, reference is made to Cain literally or to Cain symbolically as a people, as one of his descendants, in the same way that in modern times we say Israel both referring to Jacob. or the people of Israel.....now that there are people who fit Patten's description, it is being proven to be true not only in North America but also on other continents.
David W. Patten describio un encuentro ocurrido en 1835 con una persona de especto igual a Bigfoot. Ahora , bien, cuando nos referimos a ese personaje en particular del relato del Señor Patten, se hace referencia a Cain literalmente o a Cain simbolicamente como pueblo, como uno de sus descendientes, de la misma forma que en tiempos modernos decimos Israel tanto refiriendonos a Jacob o al pueblo de Israel.....ahora que existen personas que se adaptan a la descripcion de Patten se esta comprobando de que es verdad no solo en Norte America sino tambien en otros continentes.
Is it really hard to believe that the Lord did not curse Cain by making him not being able to die or be killed? There are many men who have been transfigured to never die and be killed, the three Nephites for example. There is probably more than just Cain as Satan likes to copy things the Lord does but in evil ways such as the rainbow.
I wouldn't have a problem with believing it, if that's what the scriptures taught. But (correct me if I'm wrong) seeing as how the scriptures don't claim that Cain lived forever, I don't see any reason to believe he did. Happy to agree to disagree, though. You've made it clear that your personal experiences have caused you to believe differently, and I can respect that.
The scriptures don't say he died either but it's all good.@@davidsnell2605
Scripture says the earth rejected Cain and that could be interpreted as not being able to die because it is also said in the same sentence that the earth accepted the blood of Able.@@davidsnell2605
Proof please, scripture references.
I BELIEVE
Cain is not Bigfoot...
Early Mormons were extremely superstitious and prone to fanciful “visions.”
/isnt cain mentionned to have been killed by an arrow in scripture
There is no record of Cain being killed in any scripture, I have also seen him so you have a first hand account.
im not sure about that, book of enoch may be , i dont recall but i know i read ir.@@Rudyard_Stripling
I just googled it to be sure.@@Schtroumpsolis
He did however kill anything he saw after he was cursed for 300 years, animals, with a bow and arrow according to Hugh Nibley.@@Schtroumpsolis
That's in the Book of Jasher. Hugh Nibley seemed to think that the story in the Book of Jasher is a fabrication. It says that Lamech and his son Tubal-Cain (iirc) were out hunting, and Lamech having bad eyesight had Tubal-Cain point out where animals were. Tubal-Cain pointed out an animal in the distance and Lamech shot his arrow and killed it. Upon recovering the body, they realize that it is their grandsire Cain. Lamech becomes enraged and claps Tubal-Cain's skull killing him also. This event is then used to explain the statement "I have killed a man to my wounding and a young man to my hurt. If Cain shall be avenged 7 fold, then Lamech 70 and 7 fold".
the most likely identity of bf is that they are of the race of hanuman or thewild man of enki enlil story . what i sure is bf is real. is bf related to pre adamite that lived paralel to humans ,,most likely
Ive never heard this, haha, i love bigfoot
In your dreams!
Brigham Young also had an encounter with Cain up American Fork Canyon in Utah County Utah while going to check out some mining claims near Deer Creek City and Forest City.
WRONG! Cain is The Abominable Snowman. "Welcome to the Himalayas!" Monsters Inc. LOL! Just having some fun.
I didn’t believe, now I do 😹 I believe in big foot 😝
No it's not It's a guy in a suit
noooo ur ruining all the fun 😝
All these cutesy and light-hearted videos do not address the simple fact that LDS leaders (sometimes at the highest levels) have been wrong about doctrine and policy about many aspects of their church for many years. I listened to a radio broadcast in the late 1960's where David O. McKay stated: "The ban on the blacks as holders of the priesthood has never been doctrine. It has been more policy than anything else." When using the word "never" was he referring to 'never in his lifetime' or 'never' as in never, ever? Wasn't he supposed to be clear and accurate with any and all of his statements? Brigham Young declared it a "Canon" of the church in the 1850's. (If you are unsure what Canon means, look it up.) This can be clearly found in the records kept by the church itself.
In the summer of 1978, I listened to a Mormon Bishop's wife tell me that (among other strange teachings) God the Father had actual sex with Mary and impregnated her with his celestial semen. Years later, I have discovered that such an abhorrent and vile thought and teaching came from a letter written by Joseph F. Smith that suggested that indeed that was the case.
If the LDS Church wants to call itself the "one true church of Jesus Christ" - that's fine. But there is one HUGE, over-arching, simple, and absolute requirement when ANY organization or institution makes that claim. Do I even need to state what that is when it is something so obvious? Sadly and apparently, I do. Quite simply, you are supposed to be right about... well... everything. That has clearly not been the case.
I'd love to see you address these abhorrent and vile teachings with some light-hearted and cutesy video.
Go ahead, I dare you.
I agree that this video is by far one of our more "cutesy and light-hearted" videos, but we have over 1000 videos (more than 200 of which are Faith and Beliefs videos) on our channel, in which we talk about a wide range of controversial issues. I haven't done one on your latter question (thank you for the suggestion, though), but here's one we did on the priesthood ban you referred to. If I recall correctly I believe we even mention the David O. McKay quote you cited. Have a great day!
ruclips.net/video/KvWPmLLV3Jw/видео.htmlsi=dkhohZsA6kiNKtLv
Why does someone need to be right about everything? Only Jesus Christ was perfect.
Brigham Young didn't establish a canon doctrine, or even a consistent policy, in the 1850s, he just stopped approving ordinations among blacks. Back then every ordination to the Melchizedek priesthood requires the approval of the President of the Church. That responsibility has been delegated to Stake Presidents in the modern day, but back then he could just refuse authorization without needing anything official.
You need to read the D&C. Canon requires that unanimous confirmation of the presiding quorums and presentation to the general body of the Church for a sustaining vote. That didn't happen in the 1850s.
In fact there are records of a few Blacks who received the Aaronic Priesthood during this time. There would not be a formal policy until 1908. At no time was a doctrine explaining the policy ever canonized, so McKay's statement was both clear and accurate.
Joseph Feilding Smith did insist that Jesus was the biological son of God. I know people have assumed that meant he believed such was the result of sex, but even in his day artificial insemination was a known technology. A Bishop's wife jumping to a conclusion from a statement made 30 years before becoming the Prophet is not a matter of canon doctrine.
If you want to know what the LDS Church teaches officially, then read the officially published and copyrighted material, not obscures our of print third party publications. "Miracle of Forgiveness" was printed by Bookcraft, not the Church. I really don't understand why people overvalue books written outside of official sanction more than those within.
Checkout the Faith and Beliefs playlist. Many controversial topics are dealt with.
Clem of phlegm: we suggest step into your bathroom and close door, turn light off. In the dark, stare into mirror. A gargoyle-like figure should appear. Dialogue with it. The creature will provide the answers you crave. Then retire to bedroom. Consult haunted doll under your bed. Because out of two witnesses shall every word be established.
Enjoy your ploy, good boy.
If bigfoot exist (and i believe it does) its a hole population not just one singular being. And it certanly it's not cain 😅
I have seen Cain and he looks just like bigfoot is described.
@@Rudyard_StriplingOk, now I see you are not being facetious. I've read some of your other comments on here and I believe you.
Why do you think he appeared to you - that you saw him? Any ideas?
I have two cousins who saw him at the same time, they saw him in their late 30s. They were hunting and one of them sighted him in his scope. Cain left out in leaps and bounds and went 2-3 hundred yards in a few seconds.@@MommaCrissa
Cain was able to reproduce.
@@Rudyard_Stripling How do you know this entity was Cain? The description could also apply to other malign entities of prodigious lifespan and gigantic proportions. The Nephilim and other Canaanite Giants would be other potential candidates. I have thought that in order for certain last-days prophecies to be true, the ancient enemies of God's covenant people would need to make a comeback in some form. Perhaps some of these strange creatures still exist and are engaged in all sorts of mischief.
There is more to this than what you have uncovered with your academics. Do not scoff. We would do well to be wary of Cain for who he is and what he is currently doing. A starting point for you to consider is in Moses 5:23,24. How could Cain come to rule over Satan as opposed to being subject to him? Just something to think about.
I always assumed it was because Cain had received a physical body, while Lucifer did not. Happy to be corrected if my analysis has gone wrong somewhere in the video.
@@davidsnell2605 I like your attitude. I am also happy to be corrected. The rest of us also have physical bodies, but if we do not repent, we will become subject to the devil, angels to the devil as is indicated in Jacob 3:11; whereas Cain was to rule over him (Moses 5:23). So, there is a dynamic within the curse of Cain that is very diffferent. As a side note, you could have also included the account of E. Wesley Smith
@@BlaineHeggie "there is a dynamic within the curse of Cain that is very different."
Could be! Perhaps Cain holds a special position because of his prototypical role as the first "son of perdition," similar to how some prophets hold special positions as dispensational heads. I ultimately just see little scriptural evidence to suggest that Cain was cursed to live forever. I think it's an unmerited interpretation that has since grown deep cultural roots. Not to mention that some apocryphal works do record that he died (i.e. the Book of Jasher, though it's admittedly not canonized scripture).
You're right that I didn't talk about the E. Wesley Smith story, but it does appear on-screen for people to read, if interested, at the 4:46 mark. It was one of the "obscure and somewhat dubious accounts" I referred to that people can read more about in Matthew Bowman's Journal of Mormon History article. That said (pardon the levity), if I were cursed to wander the earth forever, I'd also probably choose to wander the Hawaiian islands haha. That doesn't sound too bad.
His evaluation either way is not convincing. Spencer W Kimball is a prophet by the way. In the end who knows, who cares
But was not at the time he wrote "Miracle of Forgiveness". Which was not even published by Deseret Books.
@@brettmajeske3525 Not sure what your point is
@@funtosail Obviously, prophetic revelation is not retroactive. Spencer W Kimball is only able to exercise prophetic revelatory authority after being ordained as the President of the Church.
As President of the LDS Church Kimbal did receive and share such revelations, none were about Bigfoot or Cain.
"Miracle of Forgiveness" was not even published by Deseret Press, it is completely unrelated to Kimball's official teachings as President and Leader of the LDS Church. It contains his person opinions and advice on humanity's need to accept the power and grace of the Atoning Sacrifice of Jesus Christ because of the impossibility of full repentance based on our own individual efforts.
It is not clear to me that Kimball believed that Cain is Bigfoot, as he was using the story to illustrate a point, much like he did with the story of Rip Van Winkle, which was obviously fiction.
Dave, brother of fun tongue! Talented brother, I wonder about the blunder of needlessly laying folk tales at the feet of Spencer W. Kimball and a cherished book that’s helped save countless Saints. Similar to dinging Brigham Young for how he handled Mountain Meadows without having a deeper knowledge of his milieu. Fast & loose juice; a bit sly good guy! The trend is to rend, to toss hot sauce. There is need to be careful with what is uttered and muttered, to be responsible with a platform. To be watchful with word! 🫡
You are correct, also dinging 3 apostles and two Presidents of the church. He is wrong, I have seen Cain.
@@Rudyard_Stripling 😮 lol. Thanks Rudyard. I always keep eyes out for the creature.
Thanks for the comment, Glen. If my analysis is wrong somewhere, please let me know! All I said about The Miracle of Forgiveness was that it was largely responsible for popularizing the David Patten story, which it was. Of course, the larger book has helped a lot of people, and for that I am grateful. That said, at the end of the day, in the words of Joseph Fielding Smith, "You cannot accept the books written by the authorities of the Church as standards of doctrine, only in so far as they accord with the revealed word in the standard works. Every man who writes is responsible, not the Church, for what he writes. If Joseph Fielding Smith writes something which is out of harmony with the revelations, then every member of the Church is duty bound to reject it. If he writes that which is in perfect harmony with the revealed word of the Lord, then it should be accepted." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 3:203-204.) There is no revelation indicating that Cain is Bigfoot, or that Cain lived forever. Thus, I have no problem rejecting those notions. But again, correct me if I'm wrong :) have a great day.
@@davidsnell2605 Dave, I see your point, based on Joseph Fielding Smith’s stated opinion. But it reminds me of a quote, “Not all that is known should be said,” (Arabian proverb). I think taking shots at a cherished book is cheap; it is classic Liberal fun and sport. Historiography is a notoriously inexact science, and a writer can get away with most anything and be praised. Fawn Brodie proved that. The David Patton story lacks evidence, support-okay. For that matter, the book of Job is likely myth. You have a platform. You’ve got fun graphics and like-minded friends. But with that one should act responsibly, respectfully. You asked me to tell you where you’re wrong. “There are among the people … liars who have spoken nothing but the truth,” (Khalil Gibran).
@@Glen.Danielsen respectfully, what cheap shots do you feel like I took at Miracle of Forgiveness? Why should I have not brought it up? MoF plays a large role in why the Cain/Bigfoot myth persists. I feel that ignoring MoF would leave a gaping hole in any treatment of this topic. And all I did was point out that MoF included the Patten story, and has been one of the reasons the Bigfoot/Cain myth has become so popular. Yes, I implied that the story is historically unsupported, but I didn't insult or denigrate MoF or Elder Kimball. A mild criticism, perhaps. But perhaps I'm missing something in my blind spots. Why do you consider my mention of MoF disrespectful and/or irresponsible?