I did Krav Maga and a few other things, thought I could handle someone pulling a knife on me. Then I started training Kali - put on the safety gear and sparred - realized I never want to be in a knife fight ever, ever 😅
@@animeink5822 It's one flavor of Filipino martial arts, Escrima is another. It's main expression is empty hand, knives or sticks. In my case, my instructor made me buy safety gear (fencing mask and padded gloves) and we actually fought each other with training knives... That was the thing that finally made me realize how much of what's out there in the martial arts world is bullshit 😅
I earned shodan ( black belt) in Shito-Ryu karate, kodakan judo, and jiu-jitsu. Confronted with a knife, I would refer to my early days of track and cross-country.
Knife fighting is very essential in the Philippines. Regular person here can't buy guns, and drinking along the roads and street corners is common and they do it everyday. And wen they got drunk enough they trip on people. if you ever went to Philippines slum area where alleys fits only 1 person and too many dead ends where you can't run from hostile people you really need something to defend yourself. Kali is very effective in our country.
As a student of kali and escrima for over 25 years and having survived a knife attack that got me into those two arts, I can that your best bet with a knife is to target connective tissue and cripple your attacker and then just get the hell away from them, forget about the sparing.
Good call. My target of choice would be the tendons on the inside of the wrist. Cut those and that hand is useless. Not to mention if you nick the artery, if they don't put pressure on it further up they'll fall over dead from blood loss very quickly. Also if your knife is up to it, just below the knee. They can't walk, they can't fight.
That's extremely useful for grabbing and leveraging arms that the attacker uses to keep you from running away so he can stab you. I wouldn't certianly try to "win the knifefight" to bleed in surgery. Another heads up is that the attacker's arm that's holding his knife or whatever other melee weapon he is using to threaten and attack you along with the weapon itself moves very fast and unpredictable even with heavy long melee weapons, like a baseball bat or an ax.
My trainer have said a few times that the stuff we train in traditional Jiu Jitsu is better than nothing, but the best knife defence is always grabbing ANYTHING (chair...broom, bucket.... whatever) to keep the guy with the knife away
@@FreestyleMartialArtist Exactly this is something people rarely talk about neutralize a threat before it can start. So many people who think they've won with a weapon start gloating about how bad it's gonna get for you. Meanwhile I would already be grabbing the wrist and instead of trying some disarm that more than likely won't work even with lots of training I would rather Sock him to make him lose even just a little grip on it. He'll then struggle to turn it towards you if you get the wrist from underside problem is if he's stronger or more dexterious then you are. But that's why I would rather strike instead of disarm since fighting a possibly losing battle since the strikes will make him have to focus his attention on stopping that hand first. Basically giving a second layer of defense to your grabbing hand. Whether it be from infighting elbows to the temple or chin. Or a damn good straight punch whether vertical or horizontal. If you get them to flinch you've basically already gotten control of the situation. This is all of course if the situation can't be deescalated. In a normal brawl i'm defensive and wait for every counter since my opponent eventually throws a heavy punch with all their weight to break my good guard. This is then when I counter almost like the reverse of standard shell boxing systems like Peekaboo. But I find weapons are a whole different animal where you have to neutralize it before it can start going in the first place. Since unlike a Fist or Foot I can't block a bullet also the reason I bought clothed body armor recently on the off chance I'm in a life or death shooting scenario or something at least I would have a chance to catch the person off guard. That and just as much as I learned how to run away as fast as possible I also learned how to close the gap as fast as possible for that very scenario dart and dashing is the best skill outside of great defense, footwork, and, head-movement. Having erratic movement in a short space makes it hard for a person to focus on you. This can get you up in their face outside of their vision radius and give you a free hit or two similar to a Dempsey Roll in boxing. But with more tight compact and erratic slipping even double slipping in the same direction.
Same here. My teacher always taught us that it is best is to avoid the fight. Knives are nasty, so if you can avoid it, it is best. Second best is to keep distance, using anything at hand. Only when that fails any kind of defense is an option; and in that case 'it is better to medidate in jail than be crippled for life at home...or in a casket'
Or a large caliber hand gun LOL Kidding aside, I do agree. Anything you can use as a shield is a good thing. The same thing could be said for having something in your off hand. In Europe they had sword and cloak and dagger and cloak styles for a reason. If you have a coat or even a ball cap in your off hand that can deflect a slash or trap a thrust. Or throwing things at them. A can of corn to the face will do wonders to correct their attitude. At least till they wake up.
I love the end quote, "there is no knife fight, only someone being stabbed". It really stresses the point, that this isnt just about taking a punch but losing your life. At my local gym we went on for days about techniques on how to stike, how to defend and parry, all that fancy stuff but when we actually faced off 1 on 1it almost always ended the same, people swinging fast and dodging then both of them being cut or stabbed when the distance shrank.
With only 4 days of training that seem pretty expected. In any martial arts, it takes a lot of training until the movements becomes subconscious and purely muscle memory. While knife attacks are usually surprise attacks and there's really no defending against that, and the best self-defense is still just running away, it is still better to know how to defend yourself in situations where it isnt a surprise attack like in a house robbery. And in case you are already stabbed but not dead yet (chances of surviving a stab wound is surprisingly high), it's better to know how to disarm the attacker effectively and not just grab the attacker's hand and overpower him/her with brute strength (which usually doesnt work). There's no 100% full-proof self-defense martial art, everything is situational, but it's better than fighting an armed individual with just pure brute strength, adrenaline and survival inctinct.
@@anonymouslakernerd7214 By surprise attack, I was mainly referring to attacks where you dont have time to react like when you're just chilling on the sidewalk then the person next to you suddenly attacked you. In a house robbery, unless you are sleeping or not in of the house, there is a chance you will hear them before encountering them. But of course, I was just giving an example, a house robbery can technically also be a surprise attack if you werent aware they already entered your home. And that's just one scenario, there are many other potential scenarios.
We do sensitivity drills with knives just to prove the point of how dangerous someone with a knife really is, even without any sort of training and also that the longer you let it drag on, the more likely it becomes that you'll get cut or stabbed. Most people can handle maybe the first 5 ~ 10 knife attacks but after that they'll become slower and so the knife guy has the advantage, so that's why one of our core principles is to not be defensive, but to be offensive right from the start.
I'm 100% into this and been doing this style of knife fighting for 44 years. I was into boxing in high school. Got into ma at 19 meeting my first teacher, Sensi Benji who was from the Phillipines. He was into JKD, Wing Chun, Kali, and boxing. He showed me this style of fighting with knives. It's very effective.
I thing I learned doing FMA, and martial arts in general is that there are no winners in a knife fight. Essentially, the loser of the knife fight bleeds out in the street. The winner bleeds out in the ambulance.
Exactly. A knife is just an extension of your hand, and once it's in your hand, it's not about some kind of "fencing style", it's about using what you know and simply incorporating the knife into your martial arts that way. Well done!
one thing I would add is that as soon as you are fighting for your life especialy when a weapon is involved, it is no longer a fight. It is combat. combat especialy armed combat is fundementaly different than a fight in terms of goals and to a large degree, mindset. A fight is about dominance. Combat is life and death.
Being a 74 year old Vietnam Vet I always carry two knives ... My first strike would be pepper spray ... First move, knife as decoy ... First strike, pepper spray ... Second strike knife ... Last resort, frag ...
I am a weapons trainer with 20 years of experience, and I also focus on "real world" techniques. I have a few neck bearded things for your consideration: 1) The boxing style of knife fighting is popular in American military. The reason is not combat effectiveness- it's because you will be effective with very little training. 2) The most common injury to the assailant holding the knife occurs after they have cut/pierced their victim. Blood causes the grip to be slippery. Now, when force is applied, the assailants hand can easily slip onto the blade. 3) The down side (no pun intended) to the boxing style is that you are giving up the length of the blade in reach. It is what it is. 4) Yes, jab/control with your forward hand. Save stabs,slashes, and hand clearing for the rear hand. 5) No... training with a weapon will certainly improve your effectiveness with that weapon. It's absurd to say otherwise. Stick fighting is not just swinging a stick.
It's interesting only in the West do you go from empty hands to weapons where everywhere else weapons are first and empty hands are last resort. Even historically in the west it was weapons first then empty hands.
I’m not sure exactly if you mean in terms of escalation of violence or training methodology. In terms of training methodology, I recommend learning empty hand to weapons, as I see people get more proficient at both much faster. In terms of personal protection, I also recommend being empty handed (but armed) for as long as possible. Mostly because not every altercation is a life or death altercation - until you make it one.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist More in terms of escalation, since a weapon is superior to empty hands. I agree with you that not every altercation is life or death and weapons make it that way. I done both empty hands to weapons and weapons to empty hands. I find going from weapons to empty hands to be shorter progression, but that is more from a HEMA perspective.
@@SwordFighterPKN I think the other issue is that the US is largely a FIREARM culture. Meaning when people are carrying, they’re more likely to be carrying a gun than a knife or a blunt object, meaning that drawing it in self defense means you better be prepared to use it appropriately.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist - great point. Again I don't disagree with your video it's just an interesting difference from history and other parts of the world.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist The point about firearm culture isn't wrong but also, most people I know outside of the city in the US South carry a knife everywhere. Not just for self defense, though that is a factor, but for utility. The awareness you need to have to depending on how common some weapons are is interesting. If it's safe to assume almost everyone has a knife, how does that effect your strategy for getting away from the fight?
I can tell hes never actually trained in a bladed art. Too many assumptions. True, there is no such thing as a knife fight… if you’re untrained in knife fighting.
Yeah 😂 people that don't have experience with blades look like boxers trying to give us lessons 😂. I don't tell you how to punch people so don't tell me how to slice a head off 😂
Really cool vid! I also really like Craig Douglas’ knife stuff (he even says he just teaches people to wrestle and box with a knife), and Ryan Hoover’s stuff (who literally said he’s not a knife fighter, just a fighter with a knife).
I agree, but in a lot of the South American and other culture knife dueling still happens. Also, if you fend of a attacker with a knife and create space, and for some reason you can't escape, and access a knife, your in a knife duel, albeit probably on the wounded bleeding side to start off.
Yes, there's an art cal Esgrima Criolla (creole fencing) where it gets use a jacket or coat like shield and a knife like attack weapon. I posted a comment about that, but he didn't like it.
I like the idea of having the weapon fitting your unarmed style. I also like the idea of learning specific weapons training. Together seems to be the best long term option.
I'm a Filipino martial artist as well judo grappling ect. The art is the art and the fight is the fight and if you understand that everything is applicable 🤙🏻👆🏻
I carry a karambit, Cold Steel knives, one is a double edged, that's good for throwing, a Recon Tanto, a Buck 119, a Benchmade utility Balisong, and many that I made. I call my tanto shaped one, "The Disenboweler", somewhat shorter than a sword.
This is same basic principles, I've learned from my karate, aiki justu, eakrima, street bjj.. One of the BEST INSTRUCTOR I LEARNED FROM, taught ESKRIMA, stick or knife as as extension of BOXING...Like how using angles for attack from kali....all systems I've trained uses flashlight for practical self defense, all system I've learned teach know how use a weapon, as if a extension from empty hand...
In my country, killings with knives rising. The last ten or so have been surprise attacks - stabbed waiting for the subway, on buses, at coffee shops. Usually they are stabbed in the back, from behind & the knife is in & out before they even feel it. They don't face you, show you the knife & let you square off. In "real" life, knife "defence" is a lie.
I was always taught to stand southpaw with the knife so the blade is in my power hand and is in the front that way you have the most reach with the blade as possible and the weapon is between you and you opponent also always try to cut your opponents own wrist or hand when he attacks in my own personal experience training these are some of the most important concepts for knives
We train the same way. Knife in lead hand. We use the practice knives that "beep" and light up when a strike lands. I will say this, however, that when both my opponent and myself are simultaneously holding lead hand, I can land a quick slash or two to his knife hand fingers before he reacts. Cut those tendons, and the knife drops. Bottom line - your vitals are that much further from the assailant's blade and your offense/defense in the forefront. Of course, I don't plan on any one on one knife fights in the near or distant future👍
Weapons stance, particularly bladed weapon, is generally the opposite of empty hand. You look at any fencer, sword fighter, trained knife fighter, etc, you will see that they almost always lead with the weapon side. It is, as you said, to keep the weapon between you and the opponent, and to shorten the distance between your weapon and the opponent. The only time most folks have reverse the stance is when they have a shield, and then shield side goes forward.
As a fellow edge weapon specialist. This is the second person I can honestly say that this is a practical and realistic way to teach. But I do it slightly differently. Bravo man. There is so much bullshido on this. It is refreshing to see.
1. Don't every be in a situation where a knife will be used violently. Stick to safe places, be home at a proper hour, don't be a dick, don't drink and look for trouble. 2. If you see a knife and have the ability to run away. Well, run away. Lol. 3. If you think a guy is hiding a knife (they'll normally hide it until its too late), get away get away get away. 4. If you have no option but to fight, if you have time, try to find some weapon to equalize the situation - furniture like chairs, bags, use obstacles, doors, whatever helps to keep distance. 5. If you have to fight, stay out of reach, dodge. When the opportunity presents itself, grapple. Your best chance to survive is to control the knife hand. Use 2 hands against one. Always look out for another knife. 6. If you are able to disarm the knife, secure it, either throw it where it can't be recovered, keep it out of reach from the attacker, always be mindful of where it is. 7. If knife is out of the picture, use your martial skills to defeat the guy, pin him down, choke/knock him out, break bones, whatever. 8. If you have the knife and he's still going for you, use the knife defensively, move, don't let him get it back. Cut whatever gets close, usually his hands/arms, legs if he's kick, head he's trying a takedown. 9. Try to get to a safe place immediately. Get help from law enforcement or the hospital if possible.
Well said. Most folks think they are going to see the knife. Like in all these instructions video. Oh no you won't. Knives are to be felt and not seen. Most folks have been hit several times before they see the knife. How you react after getting stabbed will determine if you live or die. You won't see these large swings and stabs. It comes at you like a rapid piston. You have to learn to pin the stabbing arm to prevent the rapid stabbing.
I'm a chubby 50 year old lady. Never been in a knife fight. Never started shit and always avoided conflict. Got my black belt in limalama as a young lady, 20 years old. Body is falling apart with premature arthritis now though, lol. I can't even kick anymore should i get accosted or robbed. All i got are my hands and elbows so I carry 1 or 2 knives in my pocket every day where ever I go . My trainer years ago always taught to avoid conflict and always walk away. This has served me well. But I still carry my knives and train myself to air punch with them in my hands. These videos by all these youngsters still help me learn and I very much appreciate RUclips, the content creators and comments with this wealth of info out there. Old enough to remember when there was no internet. I was lucky enough to have a small martial arts school in my town. I may not be anyone strong or tough but with the knives, my old training and these videos to keep me alert, I remember to keep scanning my environment to avoid putting myself in a bad situation but if I get assaulted, this old granny will surprise stab you and hobble away as quick as possible without a second thought, no kidding. Respect your elders kids, because you never know which old fart will stab you if you mess with them. :D
have you seen or heard of a monkey fist. Steel ball wrapped in para cord that you can swing. It is bone breaking effective and can cause an attacker pause after the first hit and can create distance for sure
The two best things to have in a knife fight: 1. Distance 2. Anything you can use as a projectile You won't always have those. If you haven't trained do not carry a knife. Make them bring their own. Getting cut, stabbed and possibly killed by the knife you introduced to the situation is beyond sad. Belt or belt buckle to the face from distance is better than closing the gap and being within striking distance of a knife. Be safe. Be aware of your surroundings. If someone is creeping you out pay attention. Paranoia keeps a hide intact.
I have been a martial artist for over 50 years. There are many that do not teach realistic fighting techniques. The theories you expound here are proven, application oriented, and they work. Very good presentation and I enjoyed it.
I used to think the same way(kickboxing + knife) is the most practical way to use knives, but when I sparred with a trained knife user (FMA), i lost. Same goes for MMA guys who sparred with the same knife user. I used to think that I would only lose when I get fatally stab or cut. It was only then when I realized that I could also lose if my knife is taken away or if I loss my knife (my hand cannot anymore hold it i.e., defanging - like my wrist being cut). Note that everytime we strike, we leave our stricking limb (arm or leg) open for a cut. That's how I found my FMA coach, who is also trained in Muay Thai, Wrestling and BJJ. Based on my experience, boxing/muay thai + knife might work against a normal person or an mma fighter who is not a trained knife user, which is enough in most cases. Based on experience and what I've sesn with other sparring sessions (i.e., mma fighter vs knife user) using boxing/muay thai + knife is not the optimal use of a knife. If you have gun, are you gonna use boxing+gun or gun tactical techniques? Of course, you would be better off to use systems that optimizes your advantage i.e., your weapon, the gun. Same goes for a knife, you use the knife to your advantage by using stances that optimizes the knife (capitalize on your advantage i.e., having a weapon/knife). Use it to your advantage (especially the DISTANCE created by the weapon). Even Prime Myke Tyson would think twice when attacking an untrained person WITH a knife. He would keep his distance. That is what a knife creates, an advantage in distance. Doing a boxing/muay thai system does not capitalize on that advantage. Look at fencing, it utilizes distance advantage. I agree with the 2nd part, wrestling + knife. Just like in fencing, the basic moves translate in a fight with a knife. Unlike fencing, you can hold your opponent's knife arm with your non-knife hand. This happens a lot. Also, arm drag seems to be very useful in a lot of situation, esp in knife defense. Regarding arguments concerning FMA/other knife systems - my take on it is (1) For unarmed combat use Muay Thai/Boxing + Wrestling + BJJ (or other similar systems/arts)... if you have a weapon (2) Use FMA or systems that capitalizes on that specific weapon (kendo, fencing, FMA, etc.) as primary while also using grappling techniques. Personally, I always carry and train with my glock. That's how I treat my knife training, I don't group it with my unarmed training. They're just naturally different for me(unarmed as oppose to armed). My take away from all of these - there is no one complete system - no one ring to rule them all. Have fun training guys!
I've already met a couple of sensei and they both agree that if you wish to learn knife handling learn from the butchers. They know which slices and cuts make the most damage with the least effort. This is especially true in my country since butchers here also handle the slaughter. Oh, and my teachers have also shared anecdotes about how these butchers fight, too, and it's definitely no cakewalk to go against them. P.S.: One of my teachers was a tailor and he admitted that he got additional practice from his shear and scissor handling.
If you want extra knife practice, I suggest you cook a lot, with appropriate knives. And by "appropriate", I meane the biggest knives you can afford and store safely ;-)
I've seen some of the best stuff from people who have been in prison... There's an interesting story about the 9th and 10th Cavalry (Buffalo Soldiers) who were in the Philippines during the Spanish-American War. Apparently they spent a lot of time observing knife fighting techniques... They took some of those techniques and changed the way that they moved and how they held their hands up to make a fist... No more Irish Dukes up or English style of Boxing...
There are some things I don't agree with here, you say reverse grip is defensive but when you hold the blade in reverse grip you shorten your reach, defensive would still be better in heaven grip. It would be easier to aim for tendons but maybe I'm taking what you say too literally
I don't do martial arts, But i like knifes. From what I saw i would give you 15 seconds to live. My jbifes as on average 16" any jab or kick will end up in blood and missing limbs. Just run away from knives, swords, machetes and guns. Is the best advice.
Whenever I see those military demos of what they call knife fighting I get a chuckle. Any time you see two people standing 3 feet apart forcibly serrating there knives agent's eachothers blades it's a bunch of crap. A knife is like a gun; to be used definitively from the draw to stop the fight or make room to run your ass away. If for some reason it goes on longer I totally agree with your approach. A fight is a fight is a fight so fight like you are trained to regardless of what is in your hands. A flashlight saved my bacon one night as I noticed the hevey foot fall of a meath head comming up behind me. Blinded him and got away even though looking at him he posed no threat to me knife or no I still chose not to fight.
Por fin alguien que muestra un solo training de cuchillo como tiene que ser... harto estoy de ver lanzar los brazos como aspas de molino. Los ataques a cuchillo y mas en distancia corta son muy parecidos al trabajo de boxeo con la particularidad de que se puden hacer mas angulos pero siempre en conexion con el cuerpo, estar bien cubierto y lanzar tus ataques desde ahi no a un metro de tu cabeza, lo que muestras es muy raro de ver en youtube y te doy las gracias por ello, ese es el verdadero trabajo de cuchillo... en guardia cerrada y en conexion con tu propio cuerpo, no moviendo los brazos como grullas 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Kudos for sharing publicly your method of self-defense. I don't mean to criticise you negatively publicly but to raise your level of awareness abit to the fact that a sharp blade in true knife method is not used like a stick (impact weapon). The fee equal are more similarities between boxing and stick fighting than knife fighting. Because a knife is a sharp tool it does not require load up (a long travel arc around its fulcrum). The sharp edge is made to work and a cut however superficial is a precusor to death as the next cut and the next are always only two to six inches behind it. My second point is that the idea of the exchange is a fair idea in boxing but in fighting another knife an absolute formula for death. Someone made the incredibly important point that fighting with a knife does not begin or ever stay within exchange distance (I cut, you cut) and that's why people say there is no knife fight. There is no knife fight because there must be no fight/exchange or trading of cuts. This may mean both walk away tired from maneuvering/attempting to out maneuver. Credible points about fighting the weapon in the clinch or grappling range. At grappling range the philosophy is not to lead a killing blow but to intercept that killing blow rendering the other armless/weaponless. No exchange/no trade. It very much is a fight. A person who trains knife 100% all the time may look very different from anything you have ever seen. I have seen some very weird methodologies - very unconventional and appearing to be a nightmare to negotiate. My own method left a group of FMA students looking at their masters in confusion as it seems that particular methodology was built to fight its image (self). Be encouraged. Continue to study, train share. Remember any oversimplification of anything is perhaps a lack of experience. Always share the difficulties/indeterminates. No wonder a true statement is built on openness and flexibility of means to the goal - going home. Blessings young master.
As he alluded to in the end it's usually a knife attack rather than a knife fight and instigator frequently doesn't expose his weapon until he's too close for his victim to have much chance of defending. Having said that the first rule of knife fighting (after have a knife) is anything sticking out can and should be cut so sticking your limbs out in a normal fighting stance is asking to get them sliced up. The best all around strategy, environment allowing is cut and run when your opponent attacks cut the extended limb as you move your body out of range wait for the next attack (unlikely) repeat as necessary. This strategy is the most defendable in court for those in places where that will be a consideration. If the environment will not allow such movement then you're stuck with going offensive hope your opponent doesn't have a defense, or counter offensive when your opponent makes their first attack cut the limb and move in cutting them somewhere that will result in rapid incapacitation. Before some says something cutting can be done with a slash or stab (thrust) they're both cuts.
The only thing you need 2 know 4 offense and defense with a knife is the downward grip. 2 attack and defend is both a figure 8. If 8 is on its side like the infinity symbol. Backhand slashes. When attacking step into your opponent. 2 defend step back. Step in fig 8. Step back figure 8. Stab when there is an opening from the side only. No overhead, it leaves you open.
If you listen to people that actually have a lot of knife kills - the soldiers from the trenches of WWI - the best place to stab someone is in the face. Will that kill the enemy? No. But getting a 7 inch blade through your jaw, tongue and cheek usually gets you out of balance. That's what they did - they jumped into the German trenches and stabbed anyone they met in the face. Then they proceeded to finish them off. There are examples of soldiers facing as much as six enemies at once taking them all out with a knife with the face stabbing method. Try it out the next time you face someone armed with only a knife.
Stab 2 I have never thought to be a smart position to put yourself in period. Unless someone can show me a rapid defense to leaving you back so vulnerable on that slash
I was watching a whole bunch of videos on knife fighting and a lot of the techniques I tried by sparring with Brita water filters against friends and figured out that the opportunities for a lot of the moves from the videos rarely show up in a knife fight. Then I thought that it would probably be pretty effective if I just punched but with a knife (Brita bottle water filter) in my hand and I am glad I am not the only person who thought of this.
I teach Kali as a hobby, and you've struck a truth about Kali in that it should be treated more like MMA and less like Kung Fu BS. BUT keeping knife fighting on top of striking arts also misses the great advantage of the knife: which is you don't need to load up for power, or be conscious where your weight is to throw it into strikes. You don't need power w a knife, so you're free to have your position alone determine your attack. The natural conclusion of this becomes an insane focus on footwork for the sake of footwork, not footwork for the sake of striking.
I believe footwork is the true essence of boxing. You can use footwork to set up strikes, but you also use it for defense, setting up clinching, countering, and takedowns in the mma context To say boxing footwork only works to set up power strikes is as misleading as saying kali is only stick fighting
@@FreestyleMartialArtist Yes, but the need for those weighted shots are there if you are small or need an aggressive fighter to respect your power. The knife frees you from that. How you optimize footwork w attacks changes as a result. In boxing you usually counter on beats and 1/2 beats, THEN move. The knife doesn't need separate beats for attack, you can attack without commitment DURING movement/defense/whatever. Your body can kinda disconnect, feet no longer need to coordinate w hands, plus you have a free hand to either help move or interfere w the opponent's defense. It's chaotic and terrible to fight against. Kali doesn't give you the tools to fight against what its weapons can do IMHO. I've labbed my "Kali" against a few MMA guys, one pro, its always educational. Awesome to see you labbing the knife. Subscribed.
@@vincentvacuus7010 I agree the knife has a lot of different nuances, but on the whole I think using boxing style movement and accounting for those nuances is more beneficial to the holistic martial artist than the other way around
@@FreestyleMartialArtist I respect it. You'd be fine w all the nuances, they're based on very practical things. If you wanted to mix knowledge and are near PA, hit me up my guy.
i agree, most martial arts stances have knees bent for increasing power when striking, stability when blocking, and protection from dislocation. but using a knife means you're better off standing tall and loose. you dont need power to hurt someone, you can counterstrike with your knife instead of blocking, and you have much greater mobility overall when simply walking without bent knees, so it's easier to just walk out of your enemy's reach. footwork in knife v knife fighting is incredibly important but not the same as boxing footwork.
Movements are still very wide and sweeping. Knife handling only needs to be short movements. That upward slash for example, leaves your entire midesection, arm and arm pits open. 3:04.
I would say if one wants to be able to use a stun gun as a force multiplier for striking an opponent, learning the aggressive handhold would be beneficial for that situation/tool too.
When I was in high school I asked the science teacher about compression in a fist while punching. Because stuff like brass knuckles have support in the palm, and people hold lighters and rolls of coins to reduce compression. Holding a knife would help your fist maintain its force during a punch, American public highschool teacher approved
Be advised the reverse grip shortens your striking distance and you are limiting angles in which you can strike. You cannot improvise as easily or as quickly.
You can actually argue that having something in your hand better stabilizes your fingers and hand depending on the size and dynamics of the object of course
What you rarely hear is that real life knife combat usually begins with you getting stabbed a couple times before you even know you have been attacked. Experience knife fighters will tell you that knives are to be felt and not seen. Most guys die from shock. Not the knife. Encounter a real knife fighters while already stabbed and bleeding and shock is the first thing to deal with. Go to the ghetto. Go to jail or prison. That's what a knife attack looks like. I have been in both fights and mutual duels with knives. I have never met an experienced knife fighters who didn't look like scarred up hamburger meat. When they remove their shirt. I am covered in scars. So get used to it. Prepare to bleed.
"I like to take the reach advantage that the blade would give me in the lead hand and give it up so that I can hold the blade in the back hand in a icepick grip to look extra cool."
Good video and points I agree in just using the boxing punches and angles for the knife If the knife is long and big enough, you can use the lead hand as you would in fencing I have had the unfortunate luck growing up in London to be in fights and attacks that involve knives
Weaponized boxing was a term I heard when was starting out in kali in the mid 1990s in the tri-state area. One of my more clumsier than me classmates asked the teacher a tip to be better in knife handling. Our teacher said do some boxing drills. To fast forward a decade and change later to Yokohama, Japan. .I was doing an after class weapons randori with a Bujinkan group based out of there. The better knife fighters of that session had a boxing/kick boxing foundation. Greetings from North East Japan!
Basically what I’m learning from you excellent video and I genuinely mean that. Is to incorporate your method. But replace slice punches to ice pick stabs, so punch angle still same but all the moves end in stabs not slashes
Ice pick grip shortens your reach and takes away from your ability to manipulate the weapon. It also takes away the thrust which is much more likely to hit vital organs and stop a person than a slash will.
I agree with 90% of what you said, but the ice-pick grip has the strongest stab/thrust than any handshake/ hammer grip can produce. Not saying strongest is best, but to say the ice-pick grip has no thrust option is absurd, especially when an awl/spike/ ice-pick is a primarily thrusting tool.
@@Wiinajamizzi In that grip you are “thrusting” on an arc. Like swinging a hammer. Or, trying to articulate your hand to punch it out there like a jacked up angle two, our four. It’s still really a slashing motion. Slower and shortens your reach.
@@williamsmith8790 if you're making contact with the point and you're not drawing/pulling/pushing, but rather driving the tip in to penetrate, it is a stab/thrust more than it is a slash. Arc or not. Otherwise we are just arguing semantics. Curved swords are sometimes used to stab or puncture around an opponent's defence in an arc trajectory, puncturing with the tip. Similarly, curved knives like karambit can deliver thrusts through different grips and trajectories other than orthodox thrusts or stabs. If you're in grappling range or your target is lower than your shoulder height, the ice pick grip stab has little-to-no arc in it's trajectory at all. The only time the ice pick stab is arced is when trying to target something head or chest height at max range.
Like old jack burton always says. It’s all in the reflexes. Defiantly just make sure you point the pointy end towards the bad guy. Having a knife pointing at you is very intimidating. Eyes are a great place to aim for. Or they brought. Because think about it. What happens if you stab them there ? Probably gonna end pretty quick.
Cool to see there are systems like this these days, back in the day when I practiced and tried out Eskrima, Kali, Hema, Kravmaga and so on bla bla, I kept wondering why there were so many systems that taught "self defense" but then used a reverse grip on their knife which to be honest is only superior for sneaking up on an opponent or rushing in on them, neither of which can be called defense. So having struggled with understanding the use of the reverse grip outside of that I naturally ended up using a clean boxing style while holding the knife in my rear hand which worked alright, it keeps the tip towards the enemy at all times, it closes off paths of dodging by how the blade extends out of the hand by simply holding it and throwing normal punches, it prepares you for a clinch, it also forces the opponent to focus on your weapon which allows for much easier kicks. So yeah, point being I guess you could call that weaponized boxing, just cool that it's a thing now. Having studied some HEMA and Italian knife styles tough I still feel the loss of range and mobility would do more bad than good if you are not rushing or sneaking up on someone.
I’ve never done knife fighting before, but it has crossed my mind that using a knife with an ice pick grip would allow a person with zero knife fighting experience, but a degree of boxing experience to turn boxing into stabby boxing. And the chances of stabbing yourself is a lot lower. Also nobody is going to be throwing punches with a knife right there where the chin is.
Very good awesome technique I am just starting out with the knife fighting training which I am currently practicing at home basics striving too get too the next level in my training.. and I also can't help but want too practice daily with that being said Good stuff and looking forward too some more lessons thanks
I was always taught and told basic street knife skill is boxing without the hands in face defense unless you need to shave, lol basically jab, cross, hook, uppercut continuous attack, no defensive moves, if your not attacking your losing, means getting cut, means throw your knife and run, not an option? Do not stop attacking
don't pull something you can't eat sometimes it's better to take an ass whooping I have been attacked with two-by-fours knives been shot in abdomen beat the s*** out of all of them separate occasions I am older now I would keep it in my strongest hand keep it by my side keep it away from attacker pointing forward making sure my knife was razor sharp just me though
"there is no knife fight, only someone being stabbed" except in the Philippines where they actually fight each other with knives. But yes stick and knife fighting has somehow entered fantasy levels in western MA peoples minds which is starting to make it watered down and unrealistic The greatest contribution from FMA (or it least it has been to my training) is fast disarms and trips/throws on people trying to hit you with a stick, I can strip a stick from someones hand in sparring in less than a second with a single move and I am only a brown belt, my instructors can do it way faster. Thats empty hand or holding something. Other arts only practice this in compliant demos not in full contact sparing. I love the idea of training wrestling with knife in mind from the start, a real knife fight will be a clinch fight not the way we spar in kali I question the idea of punching with a knife in your hand, your bones get easily damage on someones head in a punch and you need full functionality to hold the knife. I have seen no real world data on this but it looks wrong tom me. Stabbing is stabbing, punching is punching, I dont think you can lump them together like that without making the training of both have flaws
Thank you! Well explained and as you state...No B.S.. I'm retired and partially disabled. Your basics are very similar slashing movement as my Laido practice with a KoKtana where 'small steps' and striking stance are different to keep good balance-- for the most part. My basic boxing lessons as a boy have been very useful and now I have added a knife as a last resort. Things Everywhere are getting more dangerous every day!. I will watch more and encourage others, especially women and older men like myself. Again. Thanks!.
Before I took FMA, I also thought why not use the knife in the form of a boxing punch. Boxing is a great martial art, and it has some crossover with knife fighting. But once I took FMA I began to see the logic behind the martial art. I was taught FMA from a more self defense point of view, and that's how most people learn it, and that's how it should be taught. We do learn offense too, and one can learn more later in their development. But the point I'm trying to make here is that FMA wants you to handle a knife fighting situation the best way possible. In boxing, you are squared up (or at least in sparring range) with one another trading punches, because that's what boxing is (at least most of the time since it's practiced mostly as a sport). But you don't want to be squared up (or arm's length distance) in a knife fight especially if the other person has a knife. You will end up just trading knife blows. In FMA we're taught to keep the distance and angle against our opponent by using footwork, and to defang the opponent (that is, to take away or eliminate their weapon). In FMA (at least the way I was taught, and again I believe it's how it is mostly taught), the general philosophy or approach is to take away or eliminate the weapons specifically the knife (or stick, sword, gun, baseball bat, etc) of your opponent, or if he's unarmed to first destroy his hands and arms, or sensitive areas such as their eyes. You're not looking to just hit any part of the opponent. The philosophy is that if an opponent has no weapon or if their hands and arms (or eyes) have been disabled, then the opponent is (far) less effective in fighting you and more importantly is less apt to attack you since you now have the upperhand (since you have a weapon, and your hands, arms, and eyes are working perfectly). FMA has a general philosophy or approach which is very sound for most situations. You mentioned in another video and possibly this video also, that in a knife or stick fighting situation, it can get crazy especially when the adrenaline rushes in, and that everything happens too fast and unpredictable to use FMA stick or knife techniques or patterns, and that the various drills (such as the Sinawali stick drills and etc) just can't be used in a real fight. The drills are learned at a slower pace and cooperatively, whereas in a real fight everything is fast and uncooperative. I agree with you to some extent. And when I tried actual stick fighting for the first time with someone (not actually using wooden or rattan sticks because that's just too dangerous, but rolling up newspaper into a thick roll and taping it, and it does hurt still when you get hit but just not as hard), a lot of what I learned I couldn't execute for the reasons you mentioned. But what I learned was that the purpose of the drills especially the various Sinawali drills isn't to actually replicate drill moves in a real stick fight (because again you're opponent isn't cooperating), but to learn to FLOW and strike with your stick or sticks (or knife). The drills also teach you how to strike and get practice with it. But getting back to the concept of flow, it's a hard concept to convey. When you stick fight or knife fight your level of awareness, movement, and speed is heightened. For you to stick fight or knife fight, you mind (and body) is accepting a different type of fighting reality where you have to be able to react to things that move faster and hit harder than hands/punches and kicks. And your mind can only deal with this fast reality (with lots of information) if your mind and body enter a flow state. It's a hard concept to convey. When you stick or knife fight, you don't have time to "think" in the traditional sense, you just have to flow and trust it. The Sinawali drills help you develop the flow, but also give you the various striking options available when you stick fight WITHOUT having to think about it. If you "think" in a stick fight, you're always going to be one microsecond too slow for that one attack or counterattack, or defense. Everything is feel. Your body should be supple, and your movement and footwork should be fast and natural. There is no thinking in the traditional sense, just flow.
Usually one or both die in a knife fight😬😬 I did read about knife vs gun at short range and most FBI agents with the gun lost that battle thus cops tend to shoot quick when knife is presented bc they have heard about the same study.
The winner of a knife fight dies in an ambulance. The loser dies in the street. A reverse grip is also the easiest way to die from attempting to strike with your own blade. Spar some military guys. They'll show you how deadly easy it is to deal with a reverse grip.
Good basic tutorial. A couple things though. While I recognize that it's not hugely practical, in your system I did not see any horizontal slashes. Also, I did not see any snap cuts. I don't know if these are taught in Escrima/Arnis, because they could be dangerous if they're telegraphed and you can counter them, but it would be another tool in the tool box, although it's a tool you would have to use sparingly so it doesn't get countered.
I been in a few street fights. They get dirty. main points to share: 1) with knives, cuts hurt later. it's the stabs that kill you and they come in quick. prioritize control of the weapon. some other notes: smaller the exposed blade, the more likely it is to be sharp as shit. just my exp. also, stabs sound crunchy, if you hear a loud popping noise coming from inside your body, you're fucked. Do about it whatever you want, my advice is to get even. 2) keep your weapon in the back arm, use your free hand to keep distance and parry. otherwise you might lose your weapon. the only thing that I can think of that breaks this rule is a sword because they're sharp the whole way up and long enough to keep people away from you. 3) grab anything you can around you to level the field. don't play, if you bring it, use it. [p.s. anything long and light is best used by stabbing at the other guy, swinging a broom gets you put in the dark quick, jabbing with it can break ribs, teeth, and burst eyes in their sockets.] 4) if they got something heavy, close the gap. choose bruises not breaks. 5) straight up *don't*, but if you have to go to ground: find soft ground. two points on this: A) you get dropped onto hard ground, you'll crumple like an empty beer can. Also the pebbles and glass will never get out of your skin if you're smushed against asphalt which is a great way to get hepatitis. B) you never really know if your attacker is alone and if your on the ground with multiple guys on top of you, 1: you're dead. 2: try to take one down there with you so they have to resort to bitch kicks until you get put in the ambulance. if you can't make that happen then 1: you're dead. 6) If you're rolling with someone for whatever reason, keep your fists closed. a loose finger in a real scrap is liable to get bent out of socket and that'll take your whole play apart like a stray thread on a shit sweater.
Real recognizes real, so just a few more things to add: Nobody fights well blinded. You are going to get cut. This is not a fight, you are being murdered. Act accordingly.
Thr only defense against an attacker armed with a knife is faster offense with deadlier intent... angle 8 is the most affective for combat, if the other person has a knife they basically just have to raise it aiming at your attacking arm and they block/cut all other attacks
A weapon changes EVERY outcome of contact, affects the primary areas that you need to defend, affects what you can use to defend, affects how you attack and your target selection. You need to be BEHIND your weapon at all times and therefore would very RARELY have your weapon in your back hand. You should maximize your reach... your "reverse grip" is a non-starter against someone who stays behind their weapon, manages distance and uses your "forehand" grip to maximize their reach. Knife fighting is also about staying "small" and not presenting targets... your unarmed experience has you standing too square (large targets ad not maximizing reach) almost every one of the cuts you demonstrated over-exposed your inside forearm, bicep or armpit (in a knife fight, there is such a thing as risking a superficial cut to deliver a fight ender)... I could go on and on... I "get it" that from the standpoint of familiarity and "efficiency" you desire to adapt your empty hand style to a weapon, and there ARE things that will translate. But there are also significant detriments. If you fight someone trained in a weapon-only system, I've got to level with you... you've got a rude awakening coming. Trust me, I have the t-shirt.
Better off with a karambit…because while using reverse grip the weapon is at best facing floor at worst facing yourself…hence reason you use a sword and karambit facing forward…as a threat only to the enemy…they have to clear the blade to attack…the stick is the sword is the knife…& that’s coaching
You're more likely to see knife fighting in the Philippines. I've seen a total of five already. I hate witnessing such a situation coz the event keeps playing in your mind's eye if you suddenly recall it. I hate the brutality and wish i never ever did see it.
I've been in two knife fights in my life and I learned from that to never hold the blade down you could find the blade stuck in yourself and not the threat
Filipino martial arts are universal in machete, stick, and knives. I see they are reusing machete techniques for knives the similar way as you demonstrate weaponizing boxing or Grappling (e.g. Sistema)
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I did Krav Maga and a few other things, thought I could handle someone pulling a knife on me. Then I started training Kali - put on the safety gear and sparred - realized I never want to be in a knife fight ever, ever 😅
Bingo! In real life.. Knives are terrifying.
Whats Kali?
@@animeink5822 It's one flavor of Filipino martial arts, Escrima is another. It's main expression is empty hand, knives or sticks.
In my case, my instructor made me buy safety gear (fencing mask and padded gloves) and we actually fought each other with training knives... That was the thing that finally made me realize how much of what's out there in the martial arts world is bullshit 😅
@@charleshurst1015 o yeah cool. Thanks.
I earned shodan ( black belt) in Shito-Ryu karate, kodakan judo, and jiu-jitsu. Confronted with a knife, I would refer to my early days of track and cross-country.
Knife fighting is very essential in the Philippines. Regular person here can't buy guns, and drinking along the roads and street corners is common and they do it everyday. And wen they got drunk enough they trip on people. if you ever went to Philippines slum area where alleys fits only 1 person and too many dead ends where you can't run from hostile people you really need something to defend yourself. Kali is very effective in our country.
i would rather train with a guy who gets into unexpected knife fights, and has actually stabbed people than a guy who just spars
@@yacubgraft1687 i wud rather have any training than nothing.
It also is in Europe
That's why Filipinos are so nice to each other because you never know who can kill you. Even grandma with a cane hehe
@@yacubgraft1687 I need to see battle scars don't care about the color of your belt
As a student of kali and escrima for over 25 years and having survived a knife attack that got me into those two arts, I can that your best bet with a knife is to target connective tissue and cripple your attacker and then just get the hell away from them, forget about the sparing.
Good call. My target of choice would be the tendons on the inside of the wrist. Cut those and that hand is useless. Not to mention if you nick the artery, if they don't put pressure on it further up they'll fall over dead from blood loss very quickly. Also if your knife is up to it, just below the knee. They can't walk, they can't fight.
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That's extremely useful for grabbing and leveraging arms that the attacker uses to keep you from running away so he can stab you. I wouldn't certianly try to "win the knifefight" to bleed in surgery. Another heads up is that the attacker's arm that's holding his knife or whatever other melee weapon he is using to threaten and attack you along with the weapon itself moves very fast and unpredictable even with heavy long melee weapons, like a baseball bat or an ax.
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My trainer have said a few times that the stuff we train in traditional Jiu Jitsu is better than nothing, but the best knife defence is always grabbing ANYTHING (chair...broom, bucket.... whatever) to keep the guy with the knife away
I’d agree with that, but I’d say the best knife defense is to keep it from being drawn in the first place.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist Exactly this is something people rarely talk about neutralize a threat before it can start. So many people who think they've won with a weapon start gloating about how bad it's gonna get for you. Meanwhile I would already be grabbing the wrist and instead of trying some disarm that more than likely won't work even with lots of training I would rather Sock him to make him lose even just a little grip on it. He'll then struggle to turn it towards you if you get the wrist from underside problem is if he's stronger or more dexterious then you are. But that's why I would rather strike instead of disarm since fighting a possibly losing battle since the strikes will make him have to focus his attention on stopping that hand first. Basically giving a second layer of defense to your grabbing hand.
Whether it be from infighting elbows to the temple or chin. Or a damn good straight punch whether vertical or horizontal. If you get them to flinch you've basically already gotten control of the situation. This is all of course if the situation can't be deescalated. In a normal brawl i'm defensive and wait for every counter since my opponent eventually throws a heavy punch with all their weight to break my good guard. This is then when I counter almost like the reverse of standard shell boxing systems like Peekaboo.
But I find weapons are a whole different animal where you have to neutralize it before it can start going in the first place. Since unlike a Fist or Foot I can't block a bullet also the reason I bought clothed body armor recently on the off chance I'm in a life or death shooting scenario or something at least I would have a chance to catch the person off guard. That and just as much as I learned how to run away as fast as possible I also learned how to close the gap as fast as possible for that very scenario dart and dashing is the best skill outside of great defense, footwork, and, head-movement. Having erratic movement in a short space makes it hard for a person to focus on you.
This can get you up in their face outside of their vision radius and give you a free hit or two similar to a Dempsey Roll in boxing. But with more tight compact and erratic slipping even double slipping in the same direction.
Same here. My teacher always taught us that it is best is to avoid the fight. Knives are nasty, so if you can avoid it, it is best. Second best is to keep distance, using anything at hand. Only when that fails any kind of defense is an option; and in that case 'it is better to medidate in jail than be crippled for life at home...or in a casket'
so right . grabbing something. nicely put
Or a large caliber hand gun LOL Kidding aside, I do agree. Anything you can use as a shield is a good thing. The same thing could be said for having something in your off hand. In Europe they had sword and cloak and dagger and cloak styles for a reason. If you have a coat or even a ball cap in your off hand that can deflect a slash or trap a thrust. Or throwing things at them. A can of corn to the face will do wonders to correct their attitude. At least till they wake up.
I love the end quote, "there is no knife fight, only someone being stabbed". It really stresses the point, that this isnt just about taking a punch but losing your life. At my local gym we went on for days about techniques on how to stike, how to defend and parry, all that fancy stuff but when we actually faced off 1 on 1it almost always ended the same, people swinging fast and dodging then both of them being cut or stabbed when the distance shrank.
With only 4 days of training that seem pretty expected. In any martial arts, it takes a lot of training until the movements becomes subconscious and purely muscle memory. While knife attacks are usually surprise attacks and there's really no defending against that, and the best self-defense is still just running away, it is still better to know how to defend yourself in situations where it isnt a surprise attack like in a house robbery. And in case you are already stabbed but not dead yet (chances of surviving a stab wound is surprisingly high), it's better to know how to disarm the attacker effectively and not just grab the attacker's hand and overpower him/her with brute strength (which usually doesnt work). There's no 100% full-proof self-defense martial art, everything is situational, but it's better than fighting an armed individual with just pure brute strength, adrenaline and survival inctinct.
How is a house robbery not a surprise attack?
@@anonymouslakernerd7214 By surprise attack, I was mainly referring to attacks where you dont have time to react like when you're just chilling on the sidewalk then the person next to you suddenly attacked you. In a house robbery, unless you are sleeping or not in of the house, there is a chance you will hear them before encountering them. But of course, I was just giving an example, a house robbery can technically also be a surprise attack if you werent aware they already entered your home. And that's just one scenario, there are many other potential scenarios.
IN a knife confrontation One person is dead the other is in prison . or both dead /in hospital.
We do sensitivity drills with knives just to prove the point of how dangerous someone with a knife really is, even without any sort of training and also that the longer you let it drag on, the more likely it becomes that you'll get cut or stabbed.
Most people can handle maybe the first 5 ~ 10 knife attacks but after that they'll become slower and so the knife guy has the advantage, so that's why one of our core principles is to not be defensive, but to be offensive right from the start.
I'm 100% into this and been doing this style of knife fighting for 44 years. I was into boxing in high school. Got into ma at 19 meeting my first teacher, Sensi Benji who was from the Phillipines. He was into JKD, Wing Chun, Kali, and boxing. He showed me this style of fighting with knives.
It's very effective.
I thing I learned doing FMA, and martial arts in general is that there are no winners in a knife fight. Essentially, the loser of the knife fight bleeds out in the street. The winner bleeds out in the ambulance.
Depends a lot on the fighters. There are lots of example of the opposite from my part of the world where knife fighting has a long tradition.
Exactly. A knife is just an extension of your hand, and once it's in your hand, it's not about some kind of "fencing style", it's about using what you know and simply incorporating the knife into your martial arts that way. Well done!
Right, that's what OJ did!!
@@Trevor111-sy8sq Only that OJ had no training.😂
one thing I would add is that as soon as you are fighting for your life especialy when a weapon is involved, it is no longer a fight. It is combat. combat especialy armed combat is fundementaly different than a fight in terms of goals and to a large degree, mindset. A fight is about dominance. Combat is life and death.
Being a 74 year old Vietnam Vet I always carry two knives ... My first strike would be pepper spray ... First move, knife as decoy ... First strike, pepper spray ... Second strike knife ... Last resort, frag ...
Rule number 1 of a knife fight = Do not get into a knife fight.
I am a weapons trainer with 20 years of experience, and I also focus on "real world" techniques. I have a few neck bearded things for your consideration:
1) The boxing style of knife fighting is popular in American military. The reason is not combat effectiveness- it's because you will be effective with very little training.
2) The most common injury to the assailant holding the knife occurs after they have cut/pierced their victim. Blood causes the grip to be slippery. Now, when force is applied, the assailants hand can easily slip onto the blade.
3) The down side (no pun intended) to the boxing style is that you are giving up the length of the blade in reach. It is what it is.
4) Yes, jab/control with your forward hand. Save stabs,slashes, and hand clearing for the rear hand.
5) No... training with a weapon will certainly improve your effectiveness with that weapon. It's absurd to say otherwise. Stick fighting is not just swinging a stick.
It's interesting only in the West do you go from empty hands to weapons where everywhere else weapons are first and empty hands are last resort. Even historically in the west it was weapons first then empty hands.
I’m not sure exactly if you mean in terms of escalation of violence or training methodology.
In terms of training methodology, I recommend learning empty hand to weapons, as I see people get more proficient at both much faster.
In terms of personal protection, I also recommend being empty handed (but armed) for as long as possible. Mostly because not every altercation is a life or death altercation - until you make it one.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist More in terms of escalation, since a weapon is superior to empty hands. I agree with you that not every altercation is life or death and weapons make it that way. I done both empty hands to weapons and weapons to empty hands. I find going from weapons to empty hands to be shorter progression, but that is more from a HEMA perspective.
@@SwordFighterPKN I think the other issue is that the US is largely a FIREARM culture. Meaning when people are carrying, they’re more likely to be carrying a gun than a knife or a blunt object, meaning that drawing it in self defense means you better be prepared to use it appropriately.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist - great point. Again I don't disagree with your video it's just an interesting difference from history and other parts of the world.
@@FreestyleMartialArtist The point about firearm culture isn't wrong but also, most people I know outside of the city in the US South carry a knife everywhere. Not just for self defense, though that is a factor, but for utility.
The awareness you need to have to depending on how common some weapons are is interesting. If it's safe to assume almost everyone has a knife, how does that effect your strategy for getting away from the fight?
I can tell hes never actually trained in a bladed art. Too many assumptions. True, there is no such thing as a knife fight… if you’re untrained in knife fighting.
Yeah 😂 people that don't have experience with blades look like boxers trying to give us lessons 😂. I don't tell you how to punch people so don't tell me how to slice a head off 😂
Really cool vid! I also really like Craig Douglas’ knife stuff (he even says he just teaches people to wrestle and box with a knife), and Ryan Hoover’s stuff (who literally said he’s not a knife fighter, just a fighter with a knife).
I look up to both of those guys a lot
Very straightforward and respectful. I'm Filipino and realize the value in this without putting down Filipino martial arts. Great stuff
I agree, but in a lot of the South American and other culture knife dueling still happens.
Also, if you fend of a attacker with a knife and create space, and for some reason you can't escape, and access a knife, your in a knife duel, albeit probably on the wounded bleeding side to start off.
Yes, there's an art cal Esgrima Criolla (creole fencing) where it gets use a jacket or coat like shield and a knife like attack weapon.
I posted a comment about that, but he didn't like it.
I like the idea of having the weapon fitting your unarmed style. I also like the idea of learning specific weapons training. Together seems to be the best long term option.
I'm a Filipino martial artist as well judo grappling ect. The art is the art and the fight is the fight and if you understand that everything is applicable 🤙🏻👆🏻
Good breakdown
I carry a karambit, Cold Steel knives, one is a double edged, that's good for throwing, a Recon Tanto, a Buck 119, a Benchmade utility Balisong, and many that I made. I call my tanto shaped one, "The Disenboweler", somewhat shorter than a sword.
I have two USMC kbars, two Gerber Mark II, and various double edges for both throwing and hand use. Love them all.
This is same basic principles, I've learned from my karate, aiki justu, eakrima, street bjj..
One of the BEST INSTRUCTOR I LEARNED FROM, taught ESKRIMA, stick or knife as as extension of BOXING...Like how using angles for attack from kali....all systems I've trained uses flashlight for practical self defense, all system I've learned teach know how use a weapon, as if a extension from empty hand...
In my country, killings with knives rising. The last ten or so have been surprise attacks - stabbed waiting for the subway, on buses, at coffee shops. Usually they are stabbed in the back, from behind & the knife is in & out before they even feel it. They don't face you, show you the knife & let you square off. In "real" life, knife "defence" is a lie.
I was always taught to stand southpaw with the knife so the blade is in my power hand and is in the front that way you have the most reach with the blade as possible and the weapon is between you and you opponent also always try to cut your opponents own wrist or hand when he attacks in my own personal experience training these are some of the most important concepts for knives
We train the same way. Knife in lead hand. We use the practice knives that "beep" and light up when a strike lands. I will say this, however, that when both my opponent and myself are simultaneously holding lead hand, I can land a quick slash or two to his knife hand fingers before he reacts. Cut those tendons, and the knife drops. Bottom line - your vitals are that much further from the assailant's blade and your offense/defense in the forefront. Of course, I don't plan on any one on one knife fights in the near or distant future👍
This is évidence...you'r right
Weapons stance, particularly bladed weapon, is generally the opposite of empty hand. You look at any fencer, sword fighter, trained knife fighter, etc, you will see that they almost always lead with the weapon side. It is, as you said, to keep the weapon between you and the opponent, and to shorten the distance between your weapon and the opponent. The only time most folks have reverse the stance is when they have a shield, and then shield side goes forward.
As a fellow edge weapon specialist. This is the second person I can honestly say that this is a practical and realistic way to teach. But I do it slightly differently. Bravo man. There is so much bullshido on this. It is refreshing to see.
Nobody wins a knife fight because everyone goes to jail.
Very good point.
True that.
No one wins a knife fight... because?... knife fight.....
You’re right, I didn’t trademark the term. 😊 Thanks for the mention brother. -Dax
I'm not mad. Nice to see practical and accurate assessment of weapon training. Adapt to what you know...
1. Don't every be in a situation where a knife will be used violently. Stick to safe places, be home at a proper hour, don't be a dick, don't drink and look for trouble.
2. If you see a knife and have the ability to run away. Well, run away. Lol.
3. If you think a guy is hiding a knife (they'll normally hide it until its too late), get away get away get away.
4. If you have no option but to fight, if you have time, try to find some weapon to equalize the situation - furniture like chairs, bags, use obstacles, doors, whatever helps to keep distance.
5. If you have to fight, stay out of reach, dodge. When the opportunity presents itself, grapple. Your best chance to survive is to control the knife hand. Use 2 hands against one. Always look out for another knife.
6. If you are able to disarm the knife, secure it, either throw it where it can't be recovered, keep it out of reach from the attacker, always be mindful of where it is.
7. If knife is out of the picture, use your martial skills to defeat the guy, pin him down, choke/knock him out, break bones, whatever.
8. If you have the knife and he's still going for you, use the knife defensively, move, don't let him get it back. Cut whatever gets close, usually his hands/arms, legs if he's kick, head he's trying a takedown.
9. Try to get to a safe place immediately. Get help from law enforcement or the hospital if possible.
Well said. Most folks think they are going to see the knife. Like in all these instructions video. Oh no you won't. Knives are to be felt and not seen. Most folks have been hit several times before they see the knife. How you react after getting stabbed will determine if you live or die. You won't see these large swings and stabs. It comes at you like a rapid piston. You have to learn to pin the stabbing arm to prevent the rapid stabbing.
I'm a chubby 50 year old lady. Never been in a knife fight. Never started shit and always avoided conflict. Got my black belt in limalama as a young lady, 20 years old. Body is falling apart with premature arthritis now though, lol. I can't even kick anymore should i get accosted or robbed. All i got are my hands and elbows so I carry 1 or 2 knives in my pocket every day where ever I go . My trainer years ago always taught to avoid conflict and always walk away. This has served me well. But I still carry my knives and train myself to air punch with them in my hands. These videos by all these youngsters still help me learn and I very much appreciate RUclips, the content creators and comments with this wealth of info out there. Old enough to remember when there was no internet. I was lucky enough to have a small martial arts school in my town. I may not be anyone strong or tough but with the knives, my old training and these videos to keep me alert, I remember to keep scanning my environment to avoid putting myself in a bad situation but if I get assaulted, this old granny will surprise stab you and hobble away as quick as possible without a second thought, no kidding. Respect your elders kids, because you never know which old fart will stab you if you mess with them. :D
have you seen or heard of a monkey fist. Steel ball wrapped in para cord that you can swing. It is bone breaking effective and can cause an attacker pause after the first hit and can create distance for sure
What marvelous advice. Many people still don't realize or accept that 99.9% of self-defense is in item #1 on your list.
The two best things to have in a knife fight:
1. Distance
2. Anything you can use as a projectile
You won't always have those. If you haven't trained do not carry a knife. Make them bring their own. Getting cut, stabbed and possibly killed by the knife you introduced to the situation is beyond sad.
Belt or belt buckle to the face from distance is better than closing the gap and being within striking distance of a knife.
Be safe. Be aware of your surroundings. If someone is creeping you out pay attention. Paranoia keeps a hide intact.
This is some very good advice
@Combat Self Defense
Although experience is a great teacher it is often better to learn from someone else's experience / mistakes. Fewer scars. ;-)
I have been a martial artist for over 50 years. There are many that do not teach realistic fighting techniques. The theories you expound here are proven, application oriented, and they work. Very good presentation and I enjoyed it.
I used to think the same way(kickboxing + knife) is the most practical way to use knives, but when I sparred with a trained knife user (FMA), i lost. Same goes for MMA guys who sparred with the same knife user. I used to think that I would only lose when I get fatally stab or cut. It was only then when I realized that I could also lose if my knife is taken away or if I loss my knife (my hand cannot anymore hold it i.e., defanging - like my wrist being cut). Note that everytime we strike, we leave our stricking limb (arm or leg) open for a cut. That's how I found my FMA coach, who is also trained in Muay Thai, Wrestling and BJJ. Based on my experience, boxing/muay thai + knife might work against a normal person or an mma fighter who is not a trained knife user, which is enough in most cases. Based on experience and what I've sesn with other sparring sessions (i.e., mma fighter vs knife user) using boxing/muay thai + knife is not the optimal use of a knife. If you have gun, are you gonna use boxing+gun or gun tactical techniques? Of course, you would be better off to use systems that optimizes your advantage i.e., your weapon, the gun. Same goes for a knife, you use the knife to your advantage by using stances that optimizes the knife (capitalize on your advantage i.e., having a weapon/knife). Use it to your advantage (especially the DISTANCE created by the weapon).
Even Prime Myke Tyson would think twice when attacking an untrained person WITH a knife. He would keep his distance. That is what a knife creates, an advantage in distance. Doing a boxing/muay thai system does not capitalize on that advantage. Look at fencing, it utilizes distance advantage.
I agree with the 2nd part, wrestling + knife. Just like in fencing, the basic moves translate in a fight with a knife. Unlike fencing, you can hold your opponent's knife arm with your non-knife hand. This happens a lot. Also, arm drag seems to be very useful in a lot of situation, esp in knife defense.
Regarding arguments concerning FMA/other knife systems - my take on it is (1) For unarmed combat use Muay Thai/Boxing + Wrestling + BJJ (or other similar systems/arts)... if you have a weapon (2) Use FMA or systems that capitalizes on that specific weapon (kendo, fencing, FMA, etc.) as primary while also using grappling techniques.
Personally, I always carry and train with my glock. That's how I treat my knife training, I don't group it with my unarmed training. They're just naturally different for me(unarmed as oppose to armed).
My take away from all of these - there is no one complete system - no one ring to rule them all. Have fun training guys!
Wrestling+Knife
Judo also compliments BJJ and Wrestling very well. Look at Khabib and Makachev.
Bedankt
Thank you!
I've already met a couple of sensei and they both agree that if you wish to learn knife handling learn from the butchers. They know which slices and cuts make the most damage with the least effort. This is especially true in my country since butchers here also handle the slaughter. Oh, and my teachers have also shared anecdotes about how these butchers fight, too, and it's definitely no cakewalk to go against them.
P.S.: One of my teachers was a tailor and he admitted that he got additional practice from his shear and scissor handling.
If you want extra knife practice, I suggest you cook a lot, with appropriate knives. And by "appropriate", I meane
the biggest knives you can afford and store safely ;-)
“The Knife is the very last weapon you will learn to use” Leon The Professional
I've seen some of the best stuff from people who have been in prison... There's an interesting story about the 9th and 10th Cavalry (Buffalo Soldiers) who were in the Philippines during the Spanish-American War. Apparently they spent a lot of time observing knife fighting techniques... They took some of those techniques and changed the way that they moved and how they held their hands up to make a fist... No more Irish Dukes up or English style of Boxing...
There are some things I don't agree with here, you say reverse grip is defensive but when you hold the blade in reverse grip you shorten your reach, defensive would still be better in heaven grip. It would be easier to aim for tendons but maybe I'm taking what you say too literally
I don't do martial arts, But i like knifes. From what I saw i would give you 15 seconds to live. My jbifes as on average 16" any jab or kick will end up in blood and missing limbs. Just run away from knives, swords, machetes and guns. Is the best advice.
Whenever I see those military demos of what they call knife fighting I get a chuckle. Any time you see two people standing 3 feet apart forcibly serrating there knives agent's eachothers blades it's a bunch of crap. A knife is like a gun; to be used definitively from the draw to stop the fight or make room to run your ass away. If for some reason it goes on longer I totally agree with your approach. A fight is a fight is a fight so fight like you are trained to regardless of what is in your hands. A flashlight saved my bacon one night as I noticed the hevey foot fall of a meath head comming up behind me. Blinded him and got away even though looking at him he posed no threat to me knife or no I still chose not to fight.
Bingo. Knife demos are great signs of hand eye coordination and speed, but not an accurate representation of how the training should work
I’m a boxer are you saying I should jab with a knife or use boxing the same way for self defense?
Por fin alguien que muestra un solo training de cuchillo como tiene que ser... harto estoy de ver lanzar los brazos como aspas de molino. Los ataques a cuchillo y mas en distancia corta son muy parecidos al trabajo de boxeo con la particularidad de que se puden hacer mas angulos pero siempre en conexion con el cuerpo, estar bien cubierto y lanzar tus ataques desde ahi no a un metro de tu cabeza, lo que muestras es muy raro de ver en youtube y te doy las gracias por ello, ese es el verdadero trabajo de cuchillo... en guardia cerrada y en conexion con tu propio cuerpo, no moviendo los brazos como grullas 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Kudos for sharing publicly your method of self-defense. I don't mean to criticise you negatively publicly but to raise your level of awareness abit to the fact that a sharp blade in true knife method is not used like a stick (impact weapon). The fee equal are more similarities between boxing and stick fighting than knife fighting. Because a knife is a sharp tool it does not require load up (a long travel arc around its fulcrum). The sharp edge is made to work and a cut however superficial is a precusor to death as the next cut and the next are always only two to six inches behind it.
My second point is that the idea of the exchange is a fair idea in boxing but in fighting another knife an absolute formula for death. Someone made the incredibly important point that fighting with a knife does not begin or ever stay within exchange distance (I cut, you cut) and that's why people say there is no knife fight. There is no knife fight because there must be no fight/exchange or trading of cuts. This may mean both walk away tired from maneuvering/attempting to out maneuver.
Credible points about fighting the weapon in the clinch or grappling range. At grappling range the philosophy is not to lead a killing blow but to intercept that killing blow rendering the other armless/weaponless. No exchange/no trade. It very much is a fight. A person who trains knife 100% all the time may look very different from anything you have ever seen. I have seen some very weird methodologies - very unconventional and appearing to be a nightmare to negotiate. My own method left a group of FMA students looking at their masters in confusion as it seems that particular methodology was built to fight its image (self).
Be encouraged. Continue to study, train share. Remember any oversimplification of anything is perhaps a lack of experience. Always share the difficulties/indeterminates. No wonder a true statement is built on openness and flexibility of means to the goal - going home. Blessings young master.
As he alluded to in the end it's usually a knife attack rather than a knife fight and instigator frequently doesn't expose his weapon until he's too close for his victim to have much chance of defending. Having said that the first rule of knife fighting (after have a knife) is anything sticking out can and should be cut so sticking your limbs out in a normal fighting stance is asking to get them sliced up. The best all around strategy, environment allowing is cut and run when your opponent attacks cut the extended limb as you move your body out of range wait for the next attack (unlikely) repeat as necessary. This strategy is the most defendable in court for those in places where that will be a consideration. If the environment will not allow such movement then you're stuck with going offensive hope your opponent doesn't have a defense, or counter offensive when your opponent makes their first attack cut the limb and move in cutting them somewhere that will result in rapid incapacitation. Before some says something cutting can be done with a slash or stab (thrust) they're both cuts.
The only thing you need 2 know 4 offense and defense with a knife is the downward grip. 2 attack and defend is both a figure 8. If 8 is on its side like the infinity symbol. Backhand slashes. When attacking step into your opponent. 2 defend step back. Step in fig 8. Step back figure 8. Stab when there is an opening from the side only. No overhead, it leaves you open.
If you listen to people that actually have a lot of knife kills - the soldiers from the trenches of WWI - the best place to stab someone is in the face. Will that kill the enemy? No. But getting a 7 inch blade through your jaw, tongue and cheek usually gets you out of balance. That's what they did - they jumped into the German trenches and stabbed anyone they met in the face. Then they proceeded to finish them off. There are examples of soldiers facing as much as six enemies at once taking them all out with a knife with the face stabbing method. Try it out the next time you face someone armed with only a knife.
Stab 2 I have never thought to be a smart position to put yourself in period. Unless someone can show me a rapid defense to leaving you back so vulnerable on that slash
I was watching a whole bunch of videos on knife fighting and a lot of the techniques I tried by sparring with Brita water filters against friends and figured out that the opportunities for a lot of the moves from the videos rarely show up in a knife fight. Then I thought that it would probably be pretty effective if I just punched but with a knife (Brita bottle water filter) in my hand and I am glad I am not the only person who thought of this.
I teach Kali as a hobby, and you've struck a truth about Kali in that it should be treated more like MMA and less like Kung Fu BS. BUT keeping knife fighting on top of striking arts also misses the great advantage of the knife: which is you don't need to load up for power, or be conscious where your weight is to throw it into strikes. You don't need power w a knife, so you're free to have your position alone determine your attack. The natural conclusion of this becomes an insane focus on footwork for the sake of footwork, not footwork for the sake of striking.
I believe footwork is the true essence of boxing. You can use footwork to set up strikes, but you also use it for defense, setting up clinching, countering, and takedowns in the mma context
To say boxing footwork only works to set up power strikes is as misleading as saying kali is only stick fighting
@@FreestyleMartialArtist Yes, but the need for those weighted shots are there if you are small or need an aggressive fighter to respect your power. The knife frees you from that. How you optimize footwork w attacks changes as a result. In boxing you usually counter on beats and 1/2 beats, THEN move. The knife doesn't need separate beats for attack, you can attack without commitment DURING movement/defense/whatever. Your body can kinda disconnect, feet no longer need to coordinate w hands, plus you have a free hand to either help move or interfere w the opponent's defense. It's chaotic and terrible to fight against. Kali doesn't give you the tools to fight against what its weapons can do IMHO. I've labbed my "Kali" against a few MMA guys, one pro, its always educational. Awesome to see you labbing the knife. Subscribed.
@@vincentvacuus7010 I agree the knife has a lot of different nuances, but on the whole I think using boxing style movement and accounting for those nuances is more beneficial to the holistic martial artist than the other way around
@@FreestyleMartialArtist I respect it. You'd be fine w all the nuances, they're based on very practical things. If you wanted to mix knowledge and are near PA, hit me up my guy.
i agree, most martial arts stances have knees bent for increasing power when striking, stability when blocking, and protection from dislocation. but using a knife means you're better off standing tall and loose. you dont need power to hurt someone, you can counterstrike with your knife instead of blocking, and you have much greater mobility overall when simply walking without bent knees, so it's easier to just walk out of your enemy's reach.
footwork in knife v knife fighting is incredibly important but not the same as boxing footwork.
Movements are still very wide and sweeping. Knife handling only needs to be short movements. That upward slash for example, leaves your entire midesection, arm and arm pits open. 3:04.
I would say if one wants to be able to use a stun gun as a force multiplier for striking an opponent, learning the aggressive handhold would be beneficial for that situation/tool too.
When I was in high school I asked the science teacher about compression in a fist while punching. Because stuff like brass knuckles have support in the palm, and people hold lighters and rolls of coins to reduce compression. Holding a knife would help your fist maintain its force during a punch, American public highschool teacher approved
Be advised the reverse grip shortens your striking distance and you are limiting angles in which you can strike. You cannot improvise as easily or as quickly.
You can actually argue that having something in your hand better stabilizes your fingers and hand depending on the size and dynamics of the object of course
What you rarely hear is that real life knife combat usually begins with you getting stabbed a couple times before you even know you have been attacked. Experience knife fighters will tell you that knives are to be felt and not seen. Most guys die from shock. Not the knife. Encounter a real knife fighters while already stabbed and bleeding and shock is the first thing to deal with. Go to the ghetto. Go to jail or prison. That's what a knife attack looks like. I have been in both fights and mutual duels with knives. I have never met an experienced knife fighters who didn't look like scarred up hamburger meat. When they remove their shirt. I am covered in scars. So get used to it. Prepare to bleed.
"I like to take the reach advantage that the blade would give me in the lead hand and give it up so that I can hold the blade in the back hand in a icepick grip to look extra cool."
Good video and points
I agree in just using the boxing punches and angles for the knife
If the knife is long and big enough, you can use the lead hand as you would in fencing
I have had the unfortunate luck growing up in London to be in fights and attacks that involve knives
Putting something in your hand,makes a solid punch,and soes the opposite of breaking your hand
I have been speaking this knowledge for years. We should have a Pow Wow. I think we should collaborate. Where are you located?
The Logic of Steel,is a good book to read on this subject.
I’ve often wondered this when I shadow box. Glad I’m not the only one. Cool Deathstroke shirt by the way.
This is helpful for good workouts and (through practice) good instinctual practice.
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Cool video.... Best part is your Deathstrike shirt!
4 grips minimum.
There is also the horizontal axis.
Weaponized boxing was a term I heard when was starting out in kali in the mid 1990s in the tri-state area. One of my more clumsier than me classmates asked the teacher a tip to be better in knife handling. Our teacher said do some boxing drills. To fast forward a decade and change later to Yokohama, Japan. .I was doing an after class weapons randori with a Bujinkan group based out of there. The better knife fighters of that session had a boxing/kick boxing foundation. Greetings from North East Japan!
Yeah I by no means came up with the term, nor do I even think it’s a new concept. Anybody who “duels” with a blade ends up doing a version of it
Basically what I’m learning from you excellent video and I genuinely mean that. Is to incorporate your method. But replace slice punches to ice pick stabs, so punch angle still same but all the moves end in stabs not slashes
Ice pick grip shortens your reach and takes away from your ability to manipulate the weapon. It also takes away the thrust which is much more likely to hit vital organs and stop a person than a slash will.
I agree with 90% of what you said, but the ice-pick grip has the strongest stab/thrust than any handshake/ hammer grip can produce.
Not saying strongest is best, but to say the ice-pick grip has no thrust option is absurd, especially when an awl/spike/ ice-pick is a primarily thrusting tool.
@@Wiinajamizzi In that grip you are “thrusting” on an arc. Like swinging a hammer. Or, trying to articulate your hand to punch it out there like a jacked up angle two, our four. It’s still really a slashing motion. Slower and shortens your reach.
@@williamsmith8790 if you're making contact with the point and you're not drawing/pulling/pushing, but rather driving the tip in to penetrate, it is a stab/thrust more than it is a slash. Arc or not. Otherwise we are just arguing semantics.
Curved swords are sometimes used to stab or puncture around an opponent's defence in an arc trajectory, puncturing with the tip. Similarly, curved knives like karambit can deliver thrusts through different grips and trajectories other than orthodox thrusts or stabs.
If you're in grappling range or your target is lower than your shoulder height, the ice pick grip stab has little-to-no arc in it's trajectory at all. The only time the ice pick stab is arced is when trying to target something head or chest height at max range.
Like old jack burton always says. It’s all in the reflexes. Defiantly just make sure you point the pointy end towards the bad guy. Having a knife pointing at you is very intimidating. Eyes are a great place to aim for. Or they brought. Because think about it. What happens if you stab them there ? Probably gonna end pretty quick.
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Cool to see there are systems like this these days, back in the day when I practiced and tried out Eskrima, Kali, Hema, Kravmaga and so on bla bla, I kept wondering why there were so many systems that taught "self defense" but then used a reverse grip on their knife which to be honest is only superior for sneaking up on an opponent or rushing in on them, neither of which can be called defense.
So having struggled with understanding the use of the reverse grip outside of that I naturally ended up using a clean boxing style while holding the knife in my rear hand which worked alright, it keeps the tip towards the enemy at all times, it closes off paths of dodging by how the blade extends out of the hand by simply holding it and throwing normal punches, it prepares you for a clinch, it also forces the opponent to focus on your weapon which allows for much easier kicks.
So yeah, point being I guess you could call that weaponized boxing, just cool that it's a thing now.
Having studied some HEMA and Italian knife styles tough I still feel the loss of range and mobility would do more bad than good if you are not rushing or sneaking up on someone.
I’ve never done knife fighting before, but it has crossed my mind that using a knife with an ice pick grip would allow a person with zero knife fighting experience, but a degree of boxing experience to turn boxing into stabby boxing. And the chances of stabbing yourself is a lot lower. Also nobody is going to be throwing punches with a knife right there where the chin is.
Very good awesome technique I am just starting out with the knife fighting training which I am currently practicing at home basics striving too get too the next level in my training.. and I also can't help but want too practice daily with that being said Good stuff and looking forward too some more lessons thanks
Glad you liked it! Thank you.
I was always taught and told basic street knife skill is boxing without the hands in face defense unless you need to shave, lol basically jab, cross, hook, uppercut continuous attack, no defensive moves, if your not attacking your losing, means getting cut, means throw your knife and run, not an option? Do not stop attacking
don't pull something you can't eat
sometimes it's better to take an ass whooping I have been attacked with two-by-fours knives been shot in abdomen beat the s*** out of all of them separate occasions
I am older now I would keep it in my strongest hand keep it by my side keep it away from attacker pointing forward making sure my knife was razor sharp
just me though
"there is no knife fight, only someone being stabbed" except in the Philippines where they actually fight each other with knives. But yes stick and knife fighting has somehow entered fantasy levels in western MA peoples minds which is starting to make it watered down and unrealistic
The greatest contribution from FMA (or it least it has been to my training) is fast disarms and trips/throws on people trying to hit you with a stick, I can strip a stick from someones hand in sparring in less than a second with a single move and I am only a brown belt, my instructors can do it way faster. Thats empty hand or holding something. Other arts only practice this in compliant demos not in full contact sparing.
I love the idea of training wrestling with knife in mind from the start, a real knife fight will be a clinch fight not the way we spar in kali
I question the idea of punching with a knife in your hand, your bones get easily damage on someones head in a punch and you need full functionality to hold the knife. I have seen no real world data on this but it looks wrong tom me. Stabbing is stabbing, punching is punching, I dont think you can lump them together like that without making the training of both have flaws
Finally. A useful defensive knife video.
Best to always have a backpack if possible, and use it like a shield, and you have a better chance to counter strike and then get away
Good video man.. My EDC is a karambit in each pocket. 30 plus years FMA FTW
I wouldn't recommend kicking because of your opponent manages to predict your kick you would just get stabbed
Arnis knife number system should be same number system as stick n sword number pattern. Creates muscle memory for Al methods of defense
Love this, very practical approach. Also the "Mirakuru Energy Kanji T Shirt" is bad ass... Is ali the only place that sells it?
Thank you! Well explained and as you state...No B.S.. I'm retired and partially disabled. Your basics are very similar slashing movement as my Laido practice with a KoKtana where 'small steps' and striking stance are different to keep good balance-- for the most part. My basic boxing lessons as a boy have been very useful and now I have added a knife as a last resort. Things Everywhere are getting more dangerous every day!. I will watch more and encourage others, especially women and older men like myself. Again. Thanks!.
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With respect, Your knife grip is a first sign that you haven’t been properly trained with a bladed weapon.
Punching and finger bone and wrist bone strength come from repeated and increasing intensity. Make them strong so they don't break.
Before I took FMA, I also thought why not use the knife in the form of a boxing punch. Boxing is a great martial art, and it has some crossover with knife fighting. But once I took FMA I began to see the logic behind the martial art. I was taught FMA from a more self defense point of view, and that's how most people learn it, and that's how it should be taught. We do learn offense too, and one can learn more later in their development. But the point I'm trying to make here is that FMA wants you to handle a knife fighting situation the best way possible. In boxing, you are squared up (or at least in sparring range) with one another trading punches, because that's what boxing is (at least most of the time since it's practiced mostly as a sport). But you don't want to be squared up (or arm's length distance) in a knife fight especially if the other person has a knife. You will end up just trading knife blows. In FMA we're taught to keep the distance and angle against our opponent by using footwork, and to defang the opponent (that is, to take away or eliminate their weapon). In FMA (at least the way I was taught, and again I believe it's how it is mostly taught), the general philosophy or approach is to take away or eliminate the weapons specifically the knife (or stick, sword, gun, baseball bat, etc) of your opponent, or if he's unarmed to first destroy his hands and arms, or sensitive areas such as their eyes. You're not looking to just hit any part of the opponent. The philosophy is that if an opponent has no weapon or if their hands and arms (or eyes) have been disabled, then the opponent is (far) less effective in fighting you and more importantly is less apt to attack you since you now have the upperhand (since you have a weapon, and your hands, arms, and eyes are working perfectly). FMA has a general philosophy or approach which is very sound for most situations. You mentioned in another video and possibly this video also, that in a knife or stick fighting situation, it can get crazy especially when the adrenaline rushes in, and that everything happens too fast and unpredictable to use FMA stick or knife techniques or patterns, and that the various drills (such as the Sinawali stick drills and etc) just can't be used in a real fight. The drills are learned at a slower pace and cooperatively, whereas in a real fight everything is fast and uncooperative. I agree with you to some extent. And when I tried actual stick fighting for the first time with someone (not actually using wooden or rattan sticks because that's just too dangerous, but rolling up newspaper into a thick roll and taping it, and it does hurt still when you get hit but just not as hard), a lot of what I learned I couldn't execute for the reasons you mentioned. But what I learned was that the purpose of the drills especially the various Sinawali drills isn't to actually replicate drill moves in a real stick fight (because again you're opponent isn't cooperating), but to learn to FLOW and strike with your stick or sticks (or knife). The drills also teach you how to strike and get practice with it. But getting back to the concept of flow, it's a hard concept to convey. When you stick fight or knife fight your level of awareness, movement, and speed is heightened. For you to stick fight or knife fight, you mind (and body) is accepting a different type of fighting reality where you have to be able to react to things that move faster and hit harder than hands/punches and kicks. And your mind can only deal with this fast reality (with lots of information) if your mind and body enter a flow state. It's a hard concept to convey. When you stick or knife fight, you don't have time to "think" in the traditional sense, you just have to flow and trust it. The Sinawali drills help you develop the flow, but also give you the various striking options available when you stick fight WITHOUT having to think about it. If you "think" in a stick fight, you're always going to be one microsecond too slow for that one attack or counterattack, or defense. Everything is feel. Your body should be supple, and your movement and footwork should be fast and natural. There is no thinking in the traditional sense, just flow.
Usually one or both die in a knife fight😬😬 I did read about knife vs gun at short range and most FBI agents with the gun lost that battle thus cops tend to shoot quick when knife is presented bc they have heard about the same study.
The winner of a knife fight dies in an ambulance. The loser dies in the street.
A reverse grip is also the easiest way to die from attempting to strike with your own blade. Spar some military guys. They'll show you how deadly easy it is to deal with a reverse grip.
Those cuts are pretty similar to how I learned 5 element weapons. Good stuff.
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Good basic tutorial.
A couple things though. While I recognize that it's not hugely practical, in your system I did not see any horizontal slashes.
Also, I did not see any snap cuts. I don't know if these are taught in Escrima/Arnis, because they could be dangerous if they're telegraphed and you can counter them, but it would be another tool in the tool box, although it's a tool you would have to use sparingly so it doesn't get countered.
I been in a few street fights. They get dirty. main points to share:
1) with knives, cuts hurt later. it's the stabs that kill you and they come in quick. prioritize control of the weapon. some other notes: smaller the exposed blade, the more likely it is to be sharp as shit. just my exp. also, stabs sound crunchy, if you hear a loud popping noise coming from inside your body, you're fucked. Do about it whatever you want, my advice is to get even.
2) keep your weapon in the back arm, use your free hand to keep distance and parry. otherwise you might lose your weapon. the only thing that I can think of that breaks this rule is a sword because they're sharp the whole way up and long enough to keep people away from you.
3) grab anything you can around you to level the field. don't play, if you bring it, use it.
[p.s. anything long and light is best used by stabbing at the other guy, swinging a broom gets you put in the dark quick, jabbing with it can break ribs, teeth, and burst eyes in their sockets.]
4) if they got something heavy, close the gap. choose bruises not breaks.
5) straight up *don't*, but if you have to go to ground: find soft ground. two points on this:
A) you get dropped onto hard ground, you'll crumple like an empty beer can. Also the pebbles and glass will never get out of your skin if you're smushed against asphalt which is a great way to get hepatitis.
B) you never really know if your attacker is alone and if your on the ground with multiple guys on top of you, 1: you're dead. 2: try to take one down there with you so they have to resort to bitch kicks until you get put in the ambulance. if you can't make that happen then 1: you're dead.
6) If you're rolling with someone for whatever reason, keep your fists closed. a loose finger in a real scrap is liable to get bent out of socket and that'll take your whole play apart like a stray thread on a shit sweater.
Real recognizes real, so just a few more things to add:
Nobody fights well blinded.
You are going to get cut.
This is not a fight, you are being murdered.
Act accordingly.
Thr only defense against an attacker armed with a knife is faster offense with deadlier intent... angle 8 is the most affective for combat, if the other person has a knife they basically just have to raise it aiming at your attacking arm and they block/cut all other attacks
A weapon changes EVERY outcome of contact, affects the primary areas that you need to defend, affects what you can use to defend, affects how you attack and your target selection. You need to be BEHIND your weapon at all times and therefore would very RARELY have your weapon in your back hand. You should maximize your reach... your "reverse grip" is a non-starter against someone who stays behind their weapon, manages distance and uses your "forehand" grip to maximize their reach. Knife fighting is also about staying "small" and not presenting targets... your unarmed experience has you standing too square (large targets ad not maximizing reach) almost every one of the cuts you demonstrated over-exposed your inside forearm, bicep or armpit (in a knife fight, there is such a thing as risking a superficial cut to deliver a fight ender)... I could go on and on... I "get it" that from the standpoint of familiarity and "efficiency" you desire to adapt your empty hand style to a weapon, and there ARE things that will translate. But there are also significant detriments. If you fight someone trained in a weapon-only system, I've got to level with you... you've got a rude awakening coming. Trust me, I have the t-shirt.
Straight quick jabs are deadly and hard to block, slashing opens you to arm locks and disarm techniques.
Exhibition of a deadly weapon 🔪 will get you thrown in jail and if you use it on somebody, you better have a damn good lawyer!
Better off with a karambit…because while using reverse grip the weapon is at best facing floor at worst facing yourself…hence reason you use a sword and karambit facing forward…as a threat only to the enemy…they have to clear the blade to attack…the stick is the sword is the knife…& that’s coaching
How does a predator such as a snake attack? Are it’s “fangs” in the lower jaw? Or upper jaw?
You're more likely to see knife fighting in the Philippines. I've seen a total of five already. I hate witnessing such a situation coz the event keeps playing in your mind's eye if you suddenly recall it. I hate the brutality and wish i never ever did see it.
what's wrong with watching a knife fight?
Good video. excellent points.
He said no fantasy in the thumbnail but I'm gonna use these tricks in my books. Im sorry💀
Would love to give them a read.
I've been in two knife fights in my life and I learned from that to never hold the blade down you could find the blade stuck in yourself and not the threat
What do you mean exactly?
@@modgenesis3868 what don't you understand ?
I remember I fought against attacker with pistol mag as weapon.
Filipino martial arts are universal in machete, stick, and knives. I see they are reusing machete techniques for knives the similar way as you demonstrate weaponizing boxing or Grappling (e.g. Sistema)
This is so good