RGB...E? This quirky old Sony F-828 with an eight megapixel CCD is impressive
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- Опубликовано: 11 янв 2022
- We've checked out some cool old cameras on this channel before, but brace yourselves for one of the coolest yet! The Sony F-828 is a camera that is unique inside and out, from the body design and features to the implementation of the 8mp CCD sensor. It's under $100 on the used market today and offers a lot of value for the money. It's one of my favorites I've ever used!
Turns out the camera has the same sensor as my Canon Powershot Pro1, so I was able to compare the two sensors side-by-side in my blog post below. The only difference is Sony added their four color filter array with red green blue and emerald, instead of the standard red green blue. Check that out.
Also check out the review from Matt's Notes and subscribe to his channel. He's into quirky old digital cameras and I learned a lot from watching his video on the sony f828.
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Just took about 1500 pics in Italy with this, absolutely beautiful pics reviewing on the laptop,
The best part was a bunch of young kids randomly with new cams asking me me what camera I had especially when I tilted it to get over head shots,they all thought it was the new unreleased thing🤣
Haha! People get confused with me too, but the people who know me have gotten used to it and know it's probably something old and obscure. Awesome you got so much use out of the F828. I still have mine I like it so much.
Reading about this experience, I can't wait to do something like that someday. I just received my own F-828 today and it's been really interesting. Besides the obviously outdated aspects (like resolution, noise, dynamic range and screen resolution) it feels perfectly modern. That's some good design.
Just picked up the Sony F828. And I have to say I'm well impressed. The build quality tells me this is a serious piece of kit. I love all the buttons, intuitive lay out, and ease of use, once it's setup in the menu area. And of course that legendary zoom lens, yes I'm now a proud owner of this legendary camera, the Sony Cybershot F828.
Great! I love it! I have passed a lot of these older cameras on to someone else after a few months, but this one I just keep shooting with!
How long does it take to save an image on the card?
@@DineshKumar-qz9we I'd say about 3 seconds,, you can't rush this high quality camera, you will have to slow your work flow a little when using the F828.
@@robstammers71493 sec Row?
My dad had one of these when I was growing up. I’ve now uncovered it from storage and very excited to shoot some photos with it soon!
Cool, have so much fun!
I own a F828 besides a F717 since a couple of years and, caused by your exellent video, I "woke" up both and additionmally had a look to an according technical book about the F828. Now I'm shure giving both a chance to accompany me during my walks outside and I think I'll have great fun with both.
Have a good time and stay safe
Hans-Joachim from Germany
I have one of these in my collection and I like to take it out for a spin now and then. The sensor is unique and this gives the photos a little edge. I was surprised to learn that the sensor is tiny, 2/3" (8.8 x 6.6 mm).
This was a professional level camera when it was made. Put people like my cousin out of business. He didn't adapt to the digital age.
I have this camera. It's nice.
How could you not mention the night vision (IR) capability? I think that is something that makes this camera and the precursor F717 unique. I took 1000s of photos with the F717 years ago and I just bought an F828 so I can play around with its IR capability. Oh, and it can record RAW files. I don't know if it is the Carl Zeiss lenses or the sensor but I always thought that photos from these cameras look more 'real' or something.
I made a dedicated video on it, specifically with the hack to get it into IR in all modes and in the daylight. I love this camera. I also have the F717 and F505 now :)
@@snappiness The 505 I'm not familiar with but I was awarded album of the day on Webshots using the F717 for nature shots on drizzly day in the Rockies. Love those Carl Zeiss lenses for the clarity!
I haven't used the F828 outside yet, but the IR seemed better on the F717 than it is on the F828. It might just be the single IR LED compared to 2 on the older model.
I bought an HX300 a while back but I'm not as impressed as i thought I would be, I've been wanting to upgrade that one. I did get a couple of good shots of the moon with it though. The hard part of that is the darned subject won't sit still. It moves out of frame pretty quickly when zoomed to 50x.
My first Sony had a floppy disc for the recording media, FD75 I think. It worked great for the time and sold me on Sony cameras. Before that was the Canon A1 SLR and a Yashica 124G (120 film) that I dearly miss. Not that anyone asked, lol.
Always something new and interesting to learn from your videos. I'm amazed at how many digital cameras Sony released, especially before the Minolta buyout. Thanks so much!~
They have some cool ones! That era of digital camera produced some really interesting stuff. I just picked up a point and shoot camera from 2000 for $5 that is absolutely wild, haha.
This was my first Camera. And I fell in love with Photography, my specialty was creative angles. Later
I hated the Dslrs for not having the Swiffel lens and the instant feedback on the settings.
Nice find! Always love the odd shaped cameras, though I am less of a Sony fan with their magicgate cards! Love the look of it and the results are really nice!
I still have my dsc-f717, learned a lot using it, Sony should bring back an update of the prosumer line, tilting body and all!
I would like it if Sony or someone would keep making Memory Stick or form-factor compatible storage. There has to be plenty of equipment still in use that uses it.
The rotating body is awesome, thats soo handy, I take random hip shots for the fun some times but they rarely come out well, a rotating body would be perfect, was a good idea. Thanks love you :)
Great video, thank you for sharing about this camera.
Thanks for watching!
That thing puts out some nice results! Another great watch 👌
picked up a Sony F-828 yesterday ,with two Sony Magic Gate 225 MG Memory Sticks and inside the camera a Memory Stick converter with a 46 GB card , plus two batteries and carry case, also cables , this camera also have the LASER CANON and a cool Joy Stick for menu control
Very entertaining. Found your channel when I'm searching for the Pentax Q. Just subbed!
That tilt system is pretty cool! Especially for a camera from back then. The design makes me think Sony wasn't sure of exactly what to do so they took a HandyCam and made it work for stills.
Haha, that is exactly what it reminds me of too!
It was all brand new technology back then you kiddies. You really shot a lot of youth in your comments. Basic lack of historical knowledge.
Guess what... there was no such thing as a smart phone back then either. Shocker for you to grasp huh?
@@starbattles1 LOL, Hahahahaa!!! Oh boy. Well, while I was growing up, there were no home computers, no wireless remotes for TV, no cell phones, no touch tone phones, no cordless home phones, no electronic bank cards and no digital cameras, carbureted cars ruled the road, there was no fuel injection. So, I've lived through the changes and advancements. Not sure who your comment was to, but I have historical knowledge as I lived prior to what people take for granted now days. Just saying.
@@KobieMC Then you have forgotten your roots. Sounding like what I just said. That's the impression I got reading what you said.
@@starbattles1 Whatever you say. I'm not going to entertain this.
Fantastic video yet again. So eager to compare notes once I get more familiar with my R1. Sadly no rotating body on that one though.
But you get the cool Flippy screen that can go on top of the camera :) that's pretty neat. I want the R1 one day. Would be cool to see how they jumped from this camera to that one.
If you look at at the spectrum of outdoor light, you will see another slightly different shade of green - I think this may be the part of the spectrum they wanted to capture as "emerald". I remember reading reviewer complaints at the time which questioned the value of capturing this shade of green when printers of the day, and screens, lacked the ability to accurately display that shade of green. Having said that, I remember seeing 8 x 10 prints a coworker made with his camera which looked perfectly fine.
I'm currently shooting the Sony DSC R1, it may be getting on in years, but boy are the results quite stunning, again, like the 828, the R1 is big, it's heavy, but that's a plus as I can keep the R1 steady as a rock, and, like the 828,the controls are so well placed and intuitive, for me the R1 is just great to use, gives great results from the Zeiss lens and I love it, but I must get the F828, by the way finding a good clean working R1 is getting more difficult and prices are rising too. Great video, many thanks.
I have noticed the jump in R1 cost. A few years ago I almost picked one up for $50 but let it pass... Kicking myself now. Cool camera!!
Your show rocks !!
this guy is collecting old cameras for us!
Hey! I fell into your rare bit hole when searching for a Nikon body with the focus motor built into the body and I saw your review of the Nikon D80 which I bought on line in like new condition (762 actual shutter acuations!) for $150!! I loved what you say about CCD sensors and their color renditions and after taking the D80 out for a whirl I just want to confirm what you say about the warmth and naturalness of the resulting captures! I'm just using full Auto for now while I get comfortable with it. Now I find your Sony F828 vid and want one of these now too!
I still have mine, the purple hazing stopped me using it so it went back in the box. Looks like new still.
I found my old one and I don't know how to charge it, I put USB in and it won't charge maybe charge battery but I don't know what I need
@@mck_827 If you can turn the camera on and use it with the charger connected, it's the battery is shot. If you can't, its the charger. Fortunately both items are still available on e-bay etc for a reasonable cost.
You can also use a USB cable and a phone charger, power bank or a computer to charge it.
@@mck_827 Most older cameras (even some new ones) unfortunately don't accept charge using the USB port; you'll most likely have to find the charger that came with it. If I'm not mistaken, yours might have come with a wall adapter you put into the camera instead of one you drop the battery into. Hope it helped!
Purple fringe frustration, I'm now staring down my Pentax Q on the camera shelf in my living room.....I know that all too well.
But awesome colors none the less out of this awesome camera! I think you'd get a kick out of my Fuji Finepix Pro S2, it does have a similar saturated look as well.
Hmm I seem to remember this with my Q too 😆 good reminder about the Fuji. That was on my list last year and never got around to it.
Once you learn your camera, I'll take buttons over menu diving any day, especially when trying to work fast.
@2:20 immediately went to eBay and hit the buy now button… whoa! And the image quality 🤌🏾🤌🏾🤌🏾
Imagine a modern camera with this tilting design, APS-C sensor, and a fixed 24-70 lens.
Coincidently, I wanted to do some night work using my hunting infrared vision equipment, the trouble was the images captured by a camera focused on the screen were terrible.
It was then that I thought, if I dig out my oldish Sony camcorder with a Ziess zoom lens, which does have an infrared night shot mode but with a very weak illuminating lamp, I could use the hunting lamp to boost the infrared capture of the camcorder.
It works just fine.
I still love my 828.
Hi there, you were lucky to get a F717 for $30. Here in the UK this whole range of cameras from Sony sell on eBay for crazy prices, around $100 to $150 and not always in good condition. I've just aquired the F707 in great condition and fully working. Scarcity in the UK certainly demands higher prices. The F717 is next on my list, if I can find a good clean fully working one.
Regards Rob.
The f828 and R1 have climbed in price a bit over here, but the f717 has kept quite low! Good luck on your search!
Thanks for your video! I own one of these cameras and I really love it! It was given to me by a friend that has since passed on so it has special significance for me. I really enjoy shooting with it. You mentioned you are in south Texas. I live in Corpus Christi. Where do you live?
I'm in San Antonio! Small world. We have visited Corpus a few times on the way to south padre island. Love the beach :) Haven't done much in Corpus proper, though.
I love this camera. My wife got me one as a gift from the local pawn shop last year. And man does this thing really perform! I just wish I knew where to get a lens hood for the thing. I'm scared to death of scratching the front of the lens. What I should say is that I'm looking for a lens Hood as close to OEM as I can get. Because the thread on hoods show up in the corners of the picture at its widest angle
I just tried searching and I couldn't find one. I even tried looking to see if someone has made a 3d model for one, but it appears not. If I was better at my modeling I would design one for you, but my skills are pretty basic :) you're probably best searching for used f828s and hoping to strike a deal with one as a backup, it steak the hood and resell it haha.
I got one in 2004 and was initially impressed by the build and general picture quality. The built in laser made focusing in poor light easy. Sadly I take lots of contre- jour and like to catch the sparkle in waterfalls and angry seas. This led to lots of purple fringing which was then a pain to remove in post. Got rid at a good price and got an R1 which I still have. Score? 828 1 year R1 19 years - enough said!
Wow. Do you post process, or are these straight out of the camera?
I'm quite impressed by the colours and bokeh.
These are straight out of the camera - I like to do that for these videos because it's a more natural representation of what the sensor/processor is doing. Actually, I do it because I'm lazy when it comes to post-processing :)
Oh the hours I spend looking for freak cameras 😂 I will continue to enable
Just grabbed one for USD157 with shipping and tax. Seemed to be a good deal. Comes with the original box and software.
You found one! Welcome aboard haha! Have you seen the Canon variant of this bad boy? I'd like to look into it more as I'm not certain if it's using the same exact sensor as the f828, or if Canon produced their own 8 megapixel rgbe sensor
I have the PowerShot Pro1 which has the exact same sensor but with RGB filter array on it (according to what I've read online). Is there another Canon you're talking about? 😲
I have to ask ! What do you recommend? Sony F-828 or the Olympus E-500/300. Also you mentioned the starburst effect on this camera when stopped down, what is the aperture used on the Sony to get that effect ? Thx
I am in full spectrum mode this week after I had modded my EOS M. But now looking for other fun things, like a DSC-V1 or a F717, which eventually lead me to this video. With the sample photos at the beginning of the video before you mentioned the RGBE sensor, I could already tell the sensor process color differently than other SONY CCD sensor. But the question is, can this also do the magnet hot mirror trick???
It does, and he just added a video...
Nice! I just got in a couple of old 5D cameras, nope not Canon. lol As always keep up the good work.
Minolta?
@@snappiness yes sir with a 11-18mm pretty stoked about trying it out.
@@leehaze1 Wow, sweet find! If you make a vid about it I'll check it out!
Been loving the Minolta Dimage series lately, particularly the Dimage 7. The results I've been getting have blown me away. might be worth checking out!
I bought a mystery box of random camera stuff for I think $80AUD and there were two Dimage 7i inside!
Like you, I found the images quite incredible!
Only downside is the battery usage. I found that rechargeable types are the ones to use, but even they seem to lose contact here and there
@@dedclownsRfunny if you can find some, there were battery packs that screwed to the bottom of the camera (they threaded into the tripod mount) and connected with a short cable. They’re hard to find but they extend the battery life a LOT. I got a few of them with my dimage 7i and love it
Puck one up at goodwill for $35 a while ago
From what I read on your website... the real mode could deliver a wider gamut on every photo.... but.. I do not understand why Sony use a Non apochromatic desing in a new sensor... for me a REEB ( red, emerald, emerald and deep blue ) could give better sensitivity and resolution ( as most optics are better corrected for green ).. thanks for share.
Any change to convert that RAW file to the original CFA files?
I wonder how color clipping behaves with this RGBE sensor-
For example the bright blue sky clipping to cyan at 7:08, how would that look on a Sony F-828?
I have one for sale! Comes with lots of accessories!
Hi. What is the max compatible memory card (type) for this f828 camera?
my k10d is on the way to me as i write this. had a canon powershot s40 before, but the power switch broke and now it doesnt work anymore
One of my all-time favorite cameras! I love using vintage pentax/m42 glass on it, or pretty much any glass really. It's just a good solid camera. Enjoy it.
@@snappiness im more interested in film era screw drive af lenses. For m42 mount i have a praktica/revue ML and a porst reflex c tl. The latter had a broken mirror which i will replace with this mirror vinyl foil stuff.
@@EstelonAgarwaen well you know I can recommend the F series, of course ;) and the FA lenses I've used have also been nice. Lots to choose from between those two. Throw in third party and lots more.
I ordered one back in 2004 and paid $1500 then sold it in 2006 because I lost my job at the time.......Since that I had many more modern and advanced cameras but F828 got in my heart and after all these years I found one just got it today for $100 with extra memories and two battery also the original SONY pouch and it is like bran new even the stickers looks untouched no scratches and all the buttons works, I got it from an old Guy who told me it wasn't used in long time. So I'm soooo Happppy finally got one now in 2022 and never to loose it again, I know even the Smartphones cameras are more capable today but for me it is a special camera worth to be in my collection. Great Video Cheers
Fantastic! What a great story :) enjoy it! I am still using it every week.
@@snappiness Loll just come back to rewatch your same video again.....BTW. I just fount a little Point and Shoot SONY DSC WX7 at a Pawnshop for $6 mint condition but without charger or memory ( I ordered them on Amazon) and BOOOYY it is soo well made slim and nice design and the Display is awesome and fast WOOOWW I can't believe what people throw away these days, ( bad for them lucky us :) ) Thanks to the Smartphones...Have a Good One !
smartphones are only capable of their software support (up to the inclusion of circuits similar to neural processing) you can pull the file from this device and do the same with it)
Does the original Sony Software from Sony convert SRF files to Tiff or dng ?... thanks for share
I haven't used the Sony software, but all the editors I have used so far support the SRF format which is nice.
I just got my hands on one which I got passed down and it hasn’t been used since 2003. I have the manual and I’m trying to figure out how to properly use all its features and I have a couple of questions if anyone can answer if they also have this camera.
The little window to look through straight to the lens is pitch black and I have no idea why that is, if it’s broken or if I have to open it somehow.
One more thing is, I love taking blurry photos, especially with lights where it’s not clear and you can see the light create that circle of its color and as soon as I press the picture button it focuses on its own and takes all the blurriness away I wonder if that’s something I can turn off.
Another thing is when I use the flash it’s wayyy to bright and I don’t know if I can adjust the brightness, also once I take a picture it flashes a couple of times before taking the picture and I also don’t know if that can be turned off too or if it’s a feature.
Lastly I just wanted to know since I’m just getting into photography if I want both the color of the blue sky and the color of the building underneath for example how can I get it to focus on both because anytime there’s day light the sky comes out white and in bright lighting everything comes out white actually and it looks awful. I want to get both the colors and get it to focus on them both but I don’t know if it’s possible and how do I stop everything looking bright white. Is there anyway to adjust how bright or how dark a picture will come out with a feature of the camera regardless of the lighting ?
I hope I made sense and that someone who isn’t too bored to read all of this can help haha
Thank you !!!
If it's the 828, there's a button to switch between the viewfinder(the little window) and the view screen. If you don't flip it than it's by default using the view screen.
What about the battery situation. Does it take an easy to replace battery, or does it use a hard to find Sony proprietary one?
It's the Sony FM50. It was used in several Sony cameras, so it's pretty easy to find third party ones still.
@@snappiness Thank you
Great video; what type and capacity of CF card do you use? Does it have to be 4 GB? Thank you!
I've been using a CF/SD adapter in the camera with a 2gb SD card and it's worked. I can't find a great answer online the max memory this camera supports.
Based on your review I just purchased a F828 camera on eBay. You can download a pdf of the instruction manual from Sony www.sony.com/electronics/support/res/manuals/3084/30849961M.pdf. They say it will support a 4 GB CF card if it is Type 1 or 2. I will let you know if it works. Thanks for your video.
@@snappiness it formats in Fats32 so anything more than 32GB is going to cause issues, 32GB should be 16000 photos in JPEG and 2800 photos in raw mode.
Can't believe sony used to have good colors.
They still do. This camera doesn't impress me like the Olypmus E1 and other E stuff or the Pentax CCD stuff
how do i sotp 828 not to record when i takke a picture
There is a sliver dial at the top of the camera that changes the camera modes - is it stuck on movie mode?
an the 828 shoot infrared like the 717 can?
Yes!
How do you rate it against the canon power shot pro1?
I personally like the Sony more, just because it's so quirky and you get that infrared mode (I talk about it in another video). But I think the colors straight out of the Canon are probably better. It's tough to say which lens is better - I haven't done any clinical side-by-side tests, but I like them both too.
what bikes do you have? like this raleigh color.
Oh, I go through bikes kind of quickly 😀 the Raleigh is my trusty commuter. It's an older redux. The other bikes are all mountain bikes. Giant, trek, specialized.
@@snappiness i thought id seen some full suspensions. did you bike a lot or before or just to get to shoot locations? nice been into biking just getting into older digital.
If you think you look like a mad scientist try using it's focusing laser at night with a crowd. I had people scare shitless with it.
you’re based out in san antonio?
Yes!
I wish the Sony R1 and Fuji S9100 were updated
Haven't heard of the Fuji s9100 before - what's cool about that one?
It came out the same time as the D50 1/2 sensor 28-300mm 1,000 flash synch and looks like a mini DSLR. There is a s9000 and s9100. It was a flag ship glorified point and shoot with a similar price to the dslrs of the time. They're about $90 these days. I still might buy one to match my S5 Pro
@@photobyTaps how does it compare to the S5 pro for color rendition? I have the S2 and absolutely love it. I posted a thread on Snappys forum about it. I see alot of them hovering around my local thift shops
The reviews I've read look very good even in low light mode. It's the same size as my D50 with 1855. I'd like one as a second general purpose shooter due to its iFlash. I usually have a 70300 or 80400 in my S5. I liked the S2 but stayed with the S5 due to better batteries
@@photobyTaps okay, you have a cool collection of cameras it sounds like. Now I'm really interested in what else you got haha
They're $200 + on EBay right now 😢
I'm gonna buy you some antacid for your GAS.
Dude…you forgot to mention a big problem with this camera. It takes around 10 seconds to save an image on the card!!
And it shooots video!!!! #lofiaesthetics @5:55
I've shot a lot of cameras, and don't keep very many, but this one has stayed with me. It's that cool. Glad you're picking one up. And yeah lofi video is right 😆 you can even take infrared video 👍 check out my video about the IR hack
I don't know shiiii about shiiii but aren't these underexposed with contrast cranked up? I like the colours though, even if they might be the result of being underexposed :-d
A lot of them I did shoot underexposed to avoid the nasty fringing. Probably underexposed a few shots I didn't need to while I was at it. The contrast is left to default mode on the jpeg profile though, along with the other settings, and all the shots are straight out of camera JPEGs.
I like to underexpose too, I only because it's easier to pull detail out of a shadow in post than it is to fix a blown highlight. If it helps with color fringing too, that's a bonus.
You bought this camera, which sells for 150-200 in my market for 35?
Another question toward your ethics.
Particularly if you are making a good living with creativity.
Little late to the ccd party young millennial grasshopper. Kind of like this comment 😂.
@snappiness A note of possible interest:, this camera (which I have and love) has a cold mirror you can temporarily pop out of place with a neodymium magnet. With various filtration and a custom white balance,, you have a camera that can also shoot UV or infrared….restarting it mechanically returns everything to normal optical light, after another white balance…
Whoops. Well, that’s embarrassing.
yawn