$2000+ To NOT Fix An EVAP P0455 Large Leak Problem!? Don't Let This Be You!!!
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- A customer at witts end...a car that some say is cursed...when all else fails, "it needs a PCM", right?! Today we are diagnosing a 2008 Hyundai Sonata for a P0453 and P0455 that comes to us from another local shop...needless to say, the parts cannon has been fired already. Follow along as we investigate. Enjoy!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:35 Organizing previous repairs and information
5:34 P0455 Code Explanation
6:20 P0453 Code Explanation and diagnosis
12:28 P0455 Large EVAP Leak Diagnosis
19:13 The failure 
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You, my friend, are the type of mechanic that gives us all hope that honesty and knowledge of your craft still exists! Thank you for sharing this video.
The last shop was a remove & replace shop. Yours is a true diagnostic shop.👍👍👍👍👍
Hahah yeh, I guess so Waleye Fish. Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I'm a retired technician. I've worked for dealerships and independents. I never hear mention of the service writer/manger miscommunication causing some of these customer problems. Usually service writers know little or nothing about cars. They are glorified salesmen! I've watched service writers call customers after I've given them a diagnosis, and tell the customer a completely different story! Be aware, not all comeback problems originate with the technician. 🚗
Hey Ed, could not agree with you more! So much can get lost in a lack of communication. Unfortunately it's not my shop, not my car, so I wasn't involved. I went off of the facts I had, previous invoices and a broken car. And of course the customers side of the story. But you're right. The shop or tech may not be at fault here.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I just had a conversation about that with one of the service advisors. I overheard him saying he's not going to tell her (or lie to her) about the original diagnosis (an expensive fix) because he wanted to get more money out of her on a bunch of the smaller repairs she wanted done first. Cuz she doesn't have the money to cover the large repair and the small repairs. He figured if he told her about the large repair she wouldn't get any of the work done. He was literally going to drain her money to have her fix a bunch of petty shit and let the car have catastrophic failure a week or month later (or however long it lasts). I butted in and told him NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. Chewed his ass for being shady.
AGREED!!! So true!👍
Anon Ymous Used to see that all the time at my previous job. It was mainly one guy doing it and nobody could touch him. Management loved him, he was top 5 salesman in the country.
I work for hyundai and i see the same stuff you all said. They they sell a 30 or 60 service and then i present them with something else the customer needs and should be priority and they blow it off and make it as if the customer declined the work.
This is how a professional mechanic works compared to the regular mechanics. That's why they charge more but actually get the job done. Great job!!!
I a not a certified mechanic... I try to use common sense when I work on my cars. As soon as you started the smoke test I was like "Make sure you test the part you bypassed!!!" Sure enough, you went back and tested it. YOU are a smart mechanic and use common sense. Customers would be wise to listen to your opinions and suggestions. Good job sir.
Hey Evilthx, thanks for watching! It's amazing the things you can do by just applying some common sense 😉
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
If it were COMMON sense, most everybody would know what to do. It is indeed Uncommon sense that separates us
@@frnkjones40Im 16 trying to fix p0455 I bought a fog machine and cut a oil cone cup to attach it to and made my smoke machine. Replaced the cover centrifuge, purge valve, intake manifold, oil drip pan, cam plugs, re hosed vacume lines that were cracked, you are lazy and don’t want to see your car run, i will make my car run and refuse to pay someone to do something I can, anything Is possible be patient and research
Cant cross your fingers lol. Find your leak and show u can do it all, people won’t do work on my 2008 c300 and overcharge me because they think I have money. Poverty will drive any man to do anything. U got this
@@davidmendoza5522 Lazy??? Kid you don't know me and you don't understand English well enough to respond properly to what I said.There was a compliment in there and you missed it. Lazy people don't pull their engines and rebuild them by themselves from a bare block and reinstall. Lazy people don't drop and replace their transmission at midnight in the freezing cold by themselves because they need that car for work 6 hours later. They
This is by far THE BEST EVAP TEST I have seen. Very complete and detailed. Covered every typical problem with no fluff. Great Job.
Wow thanks so much Derrick!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining I have a 2001 Ford E250. No code no check engine light, but will not pass the ready test. New gas cap, New hoses, valve seem to test ok. Any ideas?
This dude rocks!
Ive hardly ever seen someone with as much knowledge and professionalism as this guy has. Two thumbs up man. Keep the videos coming. U are a shining example for everyone who has to work on cars.
Holy cow batman, this customer was about to be in deep!!! Even deeper then they already are!!!Great job Mike!!!
Hey Mister Handy, for sure! I feel like we saved this one, pulled him from drowning in the deep end of the parts pool. haha!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I can’t believe how many shops get this wrong! They should definitely watch your video series on EVAP,that way they will learn how easy it is when you know what you’re doing! 👍
Hey Nick, thanks for watching! There's so much misunderstanding around it...I think it scares some shops.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I saw the rust on the fuel pump towards the beginning of the video and I knew we was in for sum trouble!
Hey J. M., thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Great troubleshooting by taking the time to know how the EVAP system works and systematiclly isolating the problem to a physical crack and faulty component. This is what separates you from the rest. Nice job conveying the story.
You apparently haven't seen Eric O. videos or Rainman Rays?
Just subbed ... always refreshing to see a guy who not only is thorough and checks service manual/tips ... but also has good critical thinking skills .... evap systems are a pain ... and there is certainly simpler ways of achieving better rebreath of vapors ... but they don't call it the "Money Light" for nothing ...
Welcome to the channel :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I bet drinking a couple of tall stouts after that repair was well deserved and relaxing. I thought I was watching a magic show with all that stuff you were popping out from behind the cart. Ta-da! Car fixed.
Hey Glen, hahah yeh for sure! Cold and refreshing! I need to get one of those hats, I can pull parts out of it!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I disagree, it seems that allot of problems start with the service writer or the boss and last we also have lazy mechanics that only worry about making that check. I don't know, maybe these guys spend to much time on the S-O Truck LOL
Incredibly detailed troubleshooting. It’s very educational and great for beginners to advanced technicians. I have a small leak on my 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I purchased a decent smoke machine with the adaptor for the service port. I’m yet to diagnose the problem but this video will help me go further on my investigation. Thank you for sharing your skills troubleshooting the EVAP system
You made a believer out of me with one video. I do my own repairs as often as I can thanks to guys like you that teach me how. The best part of the video was knowing that you had the customer in mind. Too often people who do repairs (on all kinds of things, not just vehicles) have only their profit in mind.
Great troubleshooting diagnosis. It’s almost never the ECU yet it always seems to get the blame. Some people are just really bad at troubleshooting!
Hey Mjg263, thanks for watching! It's the big mystery box...when all else fails..."it must be the PCM"! haha!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Its that they dont know what they r doing
My question is how people can just part with so much money....and yet accept it with these faults.
Serious man I feel like driving from California all the way to Washington see you and get my Nissan fixed with you
Hey Braulio, i'm in Wisconsin...so it's an even further drive...but I'll take a look if you get it here 😉 thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining sure thanks your rock man
I hope soon you'll get like 10 million subscribers and and get paid like you should by RUclips and the near future I will drive all the way out there to see you if I don't find anybody can fix it
That all sounds great!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Same here. I need someone to fix my vw golf !! Mine doesn't have a cel coming on or anything ! Idles really rough puffy idle. No smoke. Shakes the entire car and engine. Just lost at this point...
@Sam S I checked the to make sure the cel works and it does. Just hasn't been long enough or bad enough symptoms for it to kick the light on yet I guess.
MIKE, Thanks for taking the time to upload all of ur videos that is full of great information really appreciated.cheeeeeers
Hey J Georges, and thank you for taking the time to watch all of them!!!! :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Just want to say thank you for how thorough this video is. It helped me solve an evap code on a complete different vehicle. The hose connected to the bottom of the purge control valve had a sizable tear, not visable from the top of the engine bay. Followed your method of methodical visual inspection and immediately found the cause before throwing money at replacement sensors and parts!
you deserve a mechanic purple heart award for this video .... been dealing with evap codes for years now bout time i dig deep and fix it thank you!
Thank you Michael. Good job again. Have a blessed and safe week to you and your family.
Hey Billy, thanks! Same to you and yours.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Rust Jacking......WOW! What a great diagnostic case study....same as ABS sensor.
Well Done!
Mr. P
The signal wire doesn’t send 5v to the sensor, the Vref does that, the Vref and signal are just shorted together inside the PCM for diagnostic purposes Chrysler does the same thing, while Ford and GM do not if you measure the signal wire in those cars it will read 0v. You had the right idea just explained it slightly wrong and it’s a pet peeve of mine... still love the videos and you’ve taught me a lot over the years!
Good work! Wish I could count on most shops to be as thorough. If you get incompotent mechanics, you can easily just get lots of tests and parts passed along to customer & still not fix the problem, which appears is what happened here. Good work, and I better understand how these systems work now. THANKS & it WAS a very good subject for a video. I'm sure the customer was feeling leary about yet more parts being needed when you first called, but everything you did was necessary and proven so, because it lead you to finding the problem and fixing it. And I'm sure your explanation would make sense to them , as it does when watching the video. If you are a DIY person, with no access to expensive code machines and access to manufacturer's information, you expect tht you might replace some things that are not needed, but you expect that when a garage is charging good money for hourly rate, etc. that those resources ARE BEING PUT TO WORK. I've recently bought a cheap code reader for about $25 along with my long time practice of having a REPAIR MANUAL for the cars I own. Together, these have been an invaluble tool for a DIY person, with a little info, it allows sensible checks, and spending a lot more on a more expensive tool isn't going to help me much, because I can't afford a bunch of speacialty tools & books, so would need a shop to do that anyways. And checking out some videos on my problem has been a nice addition from modern times, that often helps you know what to expect when taking things apart.
I really love your videos I watch all your videos and South Main Auto's videos..I learn more from your videos than I ever have in a classroom setting.
Hey Barnes Christopher, thank you so much! I really appreciate it. I'm sure Eric does too :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
The absolute most in depth, honest, human I've had the pleasure of watching from start to finish. Believe it there's a boat load of non conducive jargon idiots out there but not here on this channel. So impressed that I donated based on professionalism alone
I really enjoyed your troubleshooting techniques and the way you broke down the system you are trying to diagnose. I'll be sharing with the guys at work, we build a system that treats cancer and the approach you took in your video are exactly what I was taught when I first started.
Hey Omar, thanks for watching! The process I use is basically universal to any form of troubleshooting.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
You are awesome dude. Some mechanics are about the money and do anything but you took the time out and found the issues. Love your honesty and if that was my car you would have been paid your price and tip. Great video👍👍👍
Wow thank you soooo much! I appreciate it!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Excellent video as usual my friend. Great way of breaking down the process. Highly recommend your EVAP videos to the younger techs coming into the shop who want to expand their knowledge and truly grasp how the system works.
Hey Steve, thank you so much! I really appreciate it 😀
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Got to love evap testing. You made evap testing easy bud
Hey man, it's easy when they have a panel in the trunk!! 😂
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
This wasnt my problem but it was so detailed i couldn't stop watching and gained you a new subscriber
I will now go search your videos to see if i can resolve my evap issues and stop chasing DTC ghosts
The frustration level was pretty high Mike from your voice. Thanks for the education today, great job as always
Hey William, haha you could tell, huh? I'm just glad this one wasn't live...there were some cuts that had to be made 😂
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining No doubt!
Rust jacking , technical term is "Oxide jacking" Great find ! Evasive and none evasive testing is always required, you are a credit to your trade Sir.
Great video. Very well explained and thorough diagnosis. No one ever stops learning. Subbed.
Hey EE GW, thanks for watching and welcome to the channel :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
By far the best repair video i have ever seen. Definitely subscribing.
Wow, thank you so muh!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Wonderful work through on this problem. So many great tips and vicarious experience gained. Thank you!
With the title and seeing the car in the background as the video started I suspected the fuel pump cracked. Seen many of these with this issue.
Awesome job as always!
Hey S G, thanks for watching and commenting anyway! 😀
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
im giving you more than one thumbs up ,one for the purge solenoid ,fuel pressure, sensor, one for the cracked fuel pump,one for the tip about the rust causing pressure ,one more for mention the abs sensors affected by rust...I will like to subscribe again if I could ...I remember one of your videos showing how evap works...thats a big key how to diagnose this type of problems...thank you Mike...from phx az
Hey M Lez, thanks for watching! If only it worked that way, i'd take all the thumbs up you're willing to give.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
We need more mechanics like you that are honest about there work I never trust dealerships hey like to up scale the prizes it happened to me to
That 5 volt at the sensor wire when unplugged is the bias voltage the ecu uses to sense if there is a break in the wire or sensor. There is a relatively large resistor between the signal circuit and a 5 volt supply inside the ecu. There is normally a small current running through the signal wire when things are in order, and with current comes voltage drop. The voltage drop over the biasresistor makes the bias voltage magicaly "disapear" before the eyes of the "signal voltage reader" and it only sees the voltage from the sensor itself.
So the 5v on the signal wire isnt changing with pressure. Its voltage being dropped inside the sensor between the 5v ref and ground that is "fed" up the signal wire that the ECU senses.
So. If the ECU sees 5 volt at the signal wire it knows its either because there is a break in the circuit so that there is no current flowing, Or the sensor is broken (it never gives 5 volts out when its OK. Neither does it emit 0 volts. Its probably more in the range of 0.5 to 4.5v or there about)
Hey Steve, thanks for watching! Great explanation on how the circuit works. Thanks for sharing!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Yes exactly!!
These things happen from time to time but the pcm being the culprit these dudes knew they were takin this guy/gal for a ride.
Wow, good thing that customer found you, Mike! Imagine how many more parts they'd have tossed at it after the computer was installed! YIKES. Nice one - have a great weekend!
Hey Smitty, sometimes it just works out, right?! You have a good weekend too!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Profound knowledge of the system -- priceless!!! Thanks Excellent Video!!! Inspiring.
Hey Arechj, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Excellent information. Thanks for being thorough and honest!. Rare trait today.
incredibly well thought out video packed full of extremely useful information. thank you, you've gained a subscriber
Hey Michael, thank you so much! Welcome to the channel 😀
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Awesome Job!!!! Thanks again for your efforts & time to make these videos 😁👍👍
Thank you so much Conrad! I appreciate the comments!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
My employer asked me how to find better industrial mechanics. That's a good question. Frankly could be several ways.
BUT. Change the question. What does a master industrial mechanic look like???
Here he Is. He's got a 10th dan Grand Master's troubleshooting mindset. 👍 👍 👍 👍
Best diagnostics on YT,good as my racing team.I don't usually get to involved in this but another driver brought it up,share this,tech is trusty.
Thanks Kat!!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining You're welcome,I got hosed before and that's when I decided to get to know a little about what makes these things work.I'm glad I did.
Every one uses a smoke machine for the smoke and its a great feature , but the little ball will tell the true story about evap leaks , if it doesn't drop to the bottom you have a leak! The soapy water is the way to go on hard to find leaks ! Great tips.
Thank you I stopped calling myself a mechanic when all these electronics started to be added to vehicles and the diagnosis of them varies inconsistently. And the cost of the diagnostic tools were to much for me. As a parts changer now it's more frustrating to not look like I'm dragging the job on to make more money. That's why I love RUclips and people like you to get right to the issues of these modern day overthought vehicles that come with parts that are designed to fail in shorter periods of time. As one mechanic once told me; they make more parts than cars
Beautifully done video. You are a great tech and teacher.
UR very good. Thank you for sharing this information. I recently bought a 2013 motorhome with V10. I have had to learn about these evap systems and you do a bang up job.
Grew video. I had an Elantra last week with a bad canister and after 2 shops misdiagnosed it I became the heroes.
Hey Manny, thanks for watching! It's is definitely rewarding to fix it after others couldn't.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Very cool. Excellent diagnostic and repair confirmation with strategy based diagnostics. Too few take the time. Speaking as a retired tech.
Good one Mike, thanks for sharing.
Hope all is well with you and the family.
Hey John, thanks dude! All good here, hope the same for you!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thank you for taking the time to demonstrate how to apply basic fundamentals utilizing readably available resources to perform a successful diagnostic and repair.
The other lesson I took away from this is the importance of Integrity, Accountability, Transparency, Ethics…all of which appears to be at the root of why this particular car is in your shop.
Hi J P,
You're welcome, thanks for the kind words!
Thank you for watching!
~Ryan Wilsing
Great job on this, in the case of these other mechs that checked this, they definitely were lacking the proper experience and just kept adding parts to see if the problem would go away or they could be one of those dishonest shops that keep the customer coming back for more which equals more dollars in their pockets. It's embarrassing to say but yes the scam artists are still out there taking advantage of folks.
Hey Mel, thanks for watching! I wish they weren't out there...but that's life. :(
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I think the previous shop broke the tank pressure sensor when they dropped the tank because they didn't unplug it. Once they lowered the tank and saw the pressure sensor dangling, they figured they found the problem. Shops like that, unfortunately, make it seem like they industry is plagued with shysters.
Hey Joseph, thanks for watching! That's a good theory and matches with the way the sensor broke...judging by the piece I found in the tank. It is unfortunate...ugh!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
true
You are the master.....
Of disaster.
Great informative vid.
Thanks.
Happy holidays.
👍
Hey, thanks man! Happy Holidays to you as well!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
When pressure drops indicate a leak in areas you can't see to test with soapy water you can sometimes run your hand over the hoses and feel the leak. Or stethoscope the leak. Sometimes if you feed the smoke machine from the filler neck you may be able to see smoke that will not be visable after going thru the charcoal canister. You have a really technically literate following. I have to watch parts several times to absorb the information, the same with some of the comments. Not a criticism, but a compliment. I solved a witch of a problem P0455 with your assistance. Thanks.
I'm a tech at a Honda dealership. Honda had an issue with cracking fuel pump modules extremely similar to this. I've even seen it actively leaking fuel while running; interestingly enough, I don't recall it causing evap codes. Good find!
Made my own smoker - found a smoke trail coming out the EVAP TEST PORT - used the Purge port
since the purge valve was tested - new - using the LASER Idea I noticed a hazing of the RED beam.
Fixed LARGE leak 455
Hi CJ,
Nice work! The red laser is a great tool for finding smoke!
Ryan Wilsing, Technical Instructor
Great Video Mike this will definitely help a lot of technicians out there. Remember People Test Dont Guess
Hey ToyTech816, thanks for watching! Diagnose before you tryagnose!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thank you for a very thorough diag. I never have replaced a rusty locking ring. From now on I will.
Hey Rich, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I wish u were closer so I could get u to fix my truck! Took it to 3 people already n no luck I know u could do it quick. Wish more people were honest and as good as you..
Too many shops do that, they see a code and start throwing parts at it. There is some intuition involved but these are computerized things we're dealing with, so you can't always be sure of a hunch like back in the day. The fact that they removed the exhaust and did so much unnecessary labor is a testament to their incompetence and ignorance. I hope the owner took the original shop to court.
Hey Jim, thanks for watching! I'm not sure what's happened since then...the customer was happy with me..not so happy with the previous shop.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thank you, I like the whole process from start to finish, please the videos coming
Thanks Benjamin! Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thanks for the comprehensive explanation. I gotta c230K 2003 that was in the shop for a p0442 400 miles ago...
I really enjoyed the diagnostics, problem solving, and truly excellent presentation skills. Doing IT for 30 years I can really appreciate a mechanic's skill and it seems a lot more interesting than IT. I just started a job and the work vehicle I have is a Toyota Rav 4 that came with a check engine light, VCS light, and 4WD light on. I couldn't get them to take it in so I put on my cheap OBDII adapter and phone app to get any codes, which was 5. I passed on the codes to the shop next time it went in. It been in 4 times and still hasn't been fixed. Winter is hear and I really want to use the 4WD. I wouldn't be allowed and don't have the skills to fix it myself but I really would like to know what exactly is being done over these visits. If I really needed to use the 4WD my guess would be I could clear the codes and use it until I get them again. Bad idea?
Great thorough diagnosis and explanation of how the system works . The visual and COMPLETE inspection of the SYSTEM is critical . We may not have the complete story , BUT if they researched , they would never of had to drop the tank . It seems they were quick to slam in parts without going in depth . What scares me is the ECM " diagnosis " . If that went in - then what ? How do they get away with it ? And now my lesson learned on from my old 1987 Celebrity , 2.8 L . It intermittently ran lousy . Vacuum dropped under 12 lbs . at idle . I ran tests on everything . Changed a fuel filter , which wasn't restricted . After studying the shop manual , I plugged the evap purge solenoid and drove it for days with no problems . The solenoid would stick open instead of being pulsed by the ECM . I don't know if over time and rough roads , RR tracks , etc. the charcoal gets pulverized and makes the valve stick or if it just wears out . I don't know if that would skew the fuel trim numbers when stuck open from the vacuum leak ?
Hey Bill, thanks for watching! You're right, the tank never should have come down. As for the purge solenoid being stuck open...the trims will depend on the saturation of the canister. Typically you'll see a lean condition. But rich conditions aren't unheard of.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Excelent information!!👌👍... Thanks You so much, from Puerto Rico! ✌️
Nice job as always Mike. This happens in every country. I give my customers photos of everything I do to help explain why I have done it. If a tec isn't willing to do this be couscous.
Hey D. D, thanks!!! For sure, if they aren't willing to show you...they are likely have something to hide.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
👍 you're the man Mike!
Shame on all you dishonest service people who intentionally milk customers instead of doing the right thing.
Hey James, thanks for watching! Yeh, a few bad apples can really hurt the name for technicians.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Well done!..Thank you for sharing your excellent tutorial here,..you have another recruited another believer to your roster, and a greatful one too!..Salute!
Great explanation of the Evap system, Thank You!
Hey Alan
You're welcome! glad you enjoyed it!
~Ryan
Excellent video. I always learn something new. Thank you.
Hey J J, thanks a ton! :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
first time here... from my point of view , you are the " Mechanic Unicorn " you rock
Hey Charles, thanks for watching! I think that's the first time i've ever been called a unicorn! haha!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
My son-and -law was very sure that the gas tank was leaking in his 2010 Hyundai Sonata. But now he is convinced that the gas pump might be the problem. The car has fail the state inspection twice, and the "permanent code" PO455 keeps showing up. We w'll see wat happens next. Thanks for your video,
One of the things I learned from Keith. Smoke is absorbed by the fuel. The more fuel in the tank, the less the chance of seeing smoke.
And the charcoal in the canister! 😉 Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining ah yes
Very informative video. As a retired auto tech of 45 years I saw this problem more times then I can count. The broken piece in the tank was from the FPS being twisted sideways trying to get it out. The soapy water also worked good for locating evap leaks in the hoses running under the vehicle. A lot of times rust would cover up those leaks to even though the hoses were plastic a lot of times. Keep up the great work
Did the FPS break off from age embrittlement or not using the right technique to remove it? All the plastic cracking problems makes you wish for the old days of metal parts 😉
I have same car but v6. Same issue with purge solenoid and rusty fuel pump. Soap water and smoke machine saved me. Thanks for in depth video.
Hey David,
Nice work! Glad you got it fixed!
Thanks for supporting the channel and reaching out
~Ryan Wilsing
Great video! I have a spray bottle of soapy water on my box at all times. Simple stuff that actually fixes cars.
Well done, a fantastic diag and repair!!
Hey Motor Mind, thank you so much!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
An apple for the teacher on this one. Keeping an eye on that bubble was critical. I had a Dodge Caravan with a cracked fuel pump in good old California. No rust on the ring. Nudging that ring with the air hammer was also excellent!
Hey Bill, thanks for watching! The air hammer is just what I have to do since I don't have the special lock-ring tool. It works, right?
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Excellent work 🤯 who would’ve thought it was a leak 🤨
Hey Hektor, thanks for watching man! All else fails...must be the PCM causing the leak 😂
Wow ! great technical diagnosis!
Best and most informative videos out there....
Thanks, as always, Mike! 😀
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
There’s a a lot of parts changers out on the market that lack. Skills on diagnosing electrical issues. and a lot of customers have been screwed that’s why a lot of people are driving new cars they’ve been burned too many times you have a great diagnostic approach 👍
Hey O Rebelo, thanks for watching! That's very true.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
This was very informative and detailed excellent diagnostic video
You really are a great teacher, Mike. No one has to tell u there are plenty of ethically-challenged mechanics waiting to take advantage of folks.
Hey Bgregg55, I absolutely hate that about this industry...well, I guess it's every industry...I guess I just hate it when people take advantage of people in general. Sometimes I think it's just easier for mechanics to do it, it's like speaking a foreign language to people who don't know their vehicles. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining yeah I work in computers and this happens in the IT industry too (though it's less common now the days of $1500 computers are over and everyone has a tablet now). The sad thing about our current society, is that I could be a lot better off financially had I decided to rip people off.
I know nothing about cars but always prefer to work on them myself, get info via youtube and forums, and also get my own codes. TBH Everyone who owns a car should buy an ODB2 dongle, they are very cheap. In the end a garage will probably end up doing the work but at least I'll be aware what the problem was in the first place.
Hey Mike, thanks for watching and commenting. You're right...in the world we live in the morally questionable people tend to excel. That sucks! Just because you know nothing about something, doesn't mean you can't learn, right? Sounds like you're doing it right...being an informed vehicle owner. Loving it!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Outstanding video. Thanks for this!
You are the man for EVAP
Hahaha thanks Oscar!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Man, I would LOVE to work in a quiet shop like that for EVAP leaks:) Nice work bro! You are a professional and you take all your training and experience serious, that's great! You have the right to get upset when a vehicle comes in like this! I assure you, your not the only tech seeing this.
There are waaaay to many shops that have no clue on what there doing! Is this okay? Who/where are the people in charge that make the decisions on who needs licensing in the trades? You need a license to cut hair here in MA. Do you think auto shops should be licensed? I think it would weed out the problems immensely! It also may give Mechanics/techs the respect/credit they are due when they put so much into being the best they can! I put my life into this trade! Though, If I could start over. I would have chosen to become an Electrician, Plumber, or even a Carpenter. Far less tooling, more respect, less training, and most get paid more per Hr starting out then a master mechanic does 30 years in.
example of what should be done: you want to be a Autotech? Okay, set up a shop with 3 or 4 broken vehicles in it(electrical & driveability). Have the license goer fix each one on a time limit. give the tools(scan tool, M-meter) service info, repair order concerns. Make the diagnosis and report your steps.
What about ASE you may ask? ASE is a joke! most shops have the signs up for ASE but have like 1 certification, maybe. You never see those guys(from the "shops") at any training venues! What do you think should be done about this HUGE problem in our industry?
then there is You-are-a-mechanicTube :)
holy moly.. a bit of ramblin today..
Okay, I'm done:)
A rating app will give power to the customer.
This is definitely a head scratcher, emission issues can be such a pain to diagnose, good job 👍
Hey Vacated Broom, thanks for watching! Yeh, they certainly can be...plus the added stress of being located in an emissions complaint area...the car MUST be fixed if they want it on the road.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
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I never see brilliant mechanic like him
Excellent diagnosis Mike. Looking forward to further wiring diagram circuit diagnosing
Thanks Del! Stay tuned for those :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I've had rust crack a toilet tank much like that. The studs that were built into the tank eventually got rotten from years of condensation and put enough pressure on the tank to split it quite a few inches. Two things to take away is rust can expand in all directions and rust can win at all the worst times.
Hey Shaun, so true! Rust almost always wins...unfortunately :(
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
You are the best mechanic there is I wish you could work on my 04 mustang GT because I am tired of paying for fixes on my car that doesn’t work and I end up paying for more problems
I'm not sure about that, but I appreciate it! Thanks for watching.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Great diag Mike. I bet you felt great when you found the actual problems that the other shops couldn't find, and I bet the customer felt even better. I had the same issue this summer on an 07 Mazda CX7. Plastic sending unit cracked and failed evap. New unit and seal but the locking ring went into the sandblasting cabinet and had a fluid film bath cause my customer couldn't wait a few days for a new ring. And now I know why they crack like that. Thanks Mike. BTW I conceded on the Focus for now. All out of ideas.
Hey Mike! Thanks for watching! Sandblasted and coated sounds like a perfect repair to me. My local dealer had one in stock..wonder why? ahah😉 Sorry to hear about the Focus...wish I had some other ideas for ya.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thanks for your ideas thus far Mike.
This morning I had a car that was overheating. Had a bad spring style hose clamp and lost a lot of coolant. All fixed now but before they brought it to me someone had told them it probably needs an O2 sensor. LMFAO!!!!!!! I bet you get those comments all of the time from customers.
Try changing the lines with just rubber hoses.
Thank you so much in explaining the whole process on how to diagnose the EVAP system. I’ve been shotgunning parts left and right. I don’t have a smoke machine so I’m gonna just use a vape. It didn’t occur to me that new parts might case an issue also