In the example game, at 7:03 Why can't Kayn do Raptor Gromp Blue Recall and defend top that way? I find the raptor into blue invade pretty powerful, especially vs vulnerable full clearers, because if they started blue, they will be on Gromp and attackable lv 2, and already have used smite on the buff. If they started red, spot my invade, and try to counter invade, I can recall and get them off my Gromp or my blue. They can take at most 1 camp due to time constraints, and I get to fight with item advantage. If they back off, I denied the enemy 1 camp overall, and they take a long path to get to wolves after my blue or my gromp.
If you do Raptors -> Blue -> Gromp and recall, you will have invested a ton of time. Even more than rotating through mid to defend Blue and even that is too inefficient to be viable. You get two of the enemy camps and like you said, the enemy gets your Blue. Now you have 3 camps and they have 4, even if you force them off you must see how that is inefficient. And what if they don't have a ward and instead of taking your topside, they go for their own Wolves and then invade your Red/Krugs? You just arrived in base when they are done with wolves. It's a complete waste of time, even if they don't invade you.. you just recalled with 400 gold level 3, how is that better than fullclearing your jungle? If you are a fullclear jungler yourself like Kayn, you'll end up falling behind messing up your own clear and if you're an agressive early game jungler (Xin, Kindred, Nidalee, Volibear, Warwick), your average play will be much better than stealing two camps and recalling. It's a different story if you invade the enemy jungler while they are doing Gromp, but it's harder to do since the map changes and if you are too late it's horrible cuz they get a good leash it's absolutely horrible. Important to note though, that if the enemy gets caught out at Gromp (either yours or theirs), your strat can still be worth it. That is why it is a cheese, a high elo jungler would know how to avoid it and it would ruin your early game.. but in lower ranks, maybe you can get away with it. Just not the correct way of playing on paper. If you have any further questions, please join my Discord.. I have a dedicated channel there for questions like these :)
Hey! Unfortunately I don't. Thought about making this video longer with more explanations, but it would've dragged out forever. Really, the steps are the same as explained in the video. When you spot the enemy jungler on your ward, decide whether you want to contest your camps based on if your team mates can move. If you decide to drop your camps: 1. what camps did the enemy jungler do? 2. what states are your lanes in? can you just invade the camps they didn't do? too risky? 3. make the most valuable decision If they invade you on Red and don't have Red themselves, you can maybe just take their topside. Often people drop red and just go Krugs if they can't contest, it's just one camp lost and Krugs are much safer. Why can the enemy invade you? Could you have expected that and done something like Vi in the video? Start on the opposite side or adapt your clear? For any more questions, please join my discord server (it's in the comments). I answer all questions in a channel there, that way my community can also profit.
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Somehow turned into a "How to Jungle guide".. I guess dealing with invades just requires you to understand Jungle.
In the example game, at 7:03
Why can't Kayn do Raptor Gromp Blue Recall and defend top that way? I find the raptor into blue invade pretty powerful, especially vs vulnerable full clearers, because if they started blue, they will be on Gromp and attackable lv 2, and already have used smite on the buff. If they started red, spot my invade, and try to counter invade, I can recall and get them off my Gromp or my blue. They can take at most 1 camp due to time constraints, and I get to fight with item advantage. If they back off, I denied the enemy 1 camp overall, and they take a long path to get to wolves after my blue or my gromp.
If you do Raptors -> Blue -> Gromp and recall, you will have invested a ton of time. Even more than rotating through mid to defend Blue and even that is too inefficient to be viable. You get two of the enemy camps and like you said, the enemy gets your Blue. Now you have 3 camps and they have 4, even if you force them off you must see how that is inefficient.
And what if they don't have a ward and instead of taking your topside, they go for their own Wolves and then invade your Red/Krugs? You just arrived in base when they are done with wolves. It's a complete waste of time, even if they don't invade you.. you just recalled with 400 gold level 3, how is that better than fullclearing your jungle? If you are a fullclear jungler yourself like Kayn, you'll end up falling behind messing up your own clear and if you're an agressive early game jungler (Xin, Kindred, Nidalee, Volibear, Warwick), your average play will be much better than stealing two camps and recalling.
It's a different story if you invade the enemy jungler while they are doing Gromp, but it's harder to do since the map changes and if you are too late it's horrible cuz they get a good leash it's absolutely horrible.
Important to note though, that if the enemy gets caught out at Gromp (either yours or theirs), your strat can still be worth it. That is why it is a cheese, a high elo jungler would know how to avoid it and it would ruin your early game.. but in lower ranks, maybe you can get away with it. Just not the correct way of playing on paper.
If you have any further questions, please join my Discord.. I have a dedicated channel there for questions like these :)
Ayyo do u have one of these for when a 2nd buff of 1st clear invade happens? E.g Viego 3 camps into contesting ur Red Buff when u start on Blue buff
Hey! Unfortunately I don't. Thought about making this video longer with more explanations, but it would've dragged out forever. Really, the steps are the same as explained in the video.
When you spot the enemy jungler on your ward, decide whether you want to contest your camps based on if your team mates can move. If you decide to drop your camps:
1. what camps did the enemy jungler do?
2. what states are your lanes in? can you just invade the camps they didn't do? too risky?
3. make the most valuable decision
If they invade you on Red and don't have Red themselves, you can maybe just take their topside. Often people drop red and just go Krugs if they can't contest, it's just one camp lost and Krugs are much safer.
Why can the enemy invade you? Could you have expected that and done something like Vi in the video? Start on the opposite side or adapt your clear?
For any more questions, please join my discord server (it's in the comments). I answer all questions in a channel there, that way my community can also profit.
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