The Match-Up Has Changed - Darkrai (Goldlewis) vs. UMISHO (Happy Chaos) | Strive Match Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2022
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streamed June 14, 2022
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I was not expecting Goldlewis Armstrong in the thumbnail, but he's the hero we deserve
I love this match-hosting/analysis idea, would absolutely tune in for that.
I agree with this individual
I, as a matter of fact, also agree.
YES
the Backpack squad is eating well tonight
Praise baccpack the GL prophet
The running 862 after the PRC is actually buffered. DOES NOT require the raw input.
- hold up during PRC
- press forward and dash macro
- press and hold down and HS button.
Once you're familiar with the timing off of PRC, you can do it from ANY recovery (even from plus BTs) making it a very strong reset option.
Umisho is great, really playing the matchup differently being a ton more aggressive using HCs buffs to blockstrings
Both players are sick as hell
Re: new show idea
Sounds great! Another advantage that would be nice is asking about options that are NOT being represented in the match. When I'm watching these top players, I'm often wondering why their opponent doesn't hit them with X move. The answer is probably that they're respecting Y option, but as a viewer (and player trying to learn), I don't know what Y is.
bump!
That new show idea is SO cool.
Also watching Goldlewis is so fun now :D
Its such a nice change seeing HC actually go in and pressure instead of sitting fullscreen the whole game
Chaos can still do that because they increased the stance drain, not the fire. Chaos can still do the auto pilot zoning if you cancel fast enough.
@@seokkyunhong8812 Do people still do it? I haven’t seen players really try it and I thought Umisho or Lost Soul said it sucks now
yes the idea for the show is really good, its fun content for viewers while top level players and more casual players can study matchups and characters, this would be especially helpful to people who feel like they've hit a wall, lots of great learning potential, I would honestly love to watch something like that.
also i think it would be a cool idea if also maybe you also have a beginner version aswell, where beginners get to talk to each other and learn a lot more, idk just an idea.
Love the series idea, would be super hyped for that.
Ok but can we talk about how perfectly timed the music is with darkrai’s whole block string at 2:35
BACK TO BACK!
@@yourbellboy DEATH COMES ARRIVING ON A MIDNIGHT TRAIN!
BACK TO BACK!
Conscience is screaming to the EEEE-EEEE-EEEEND
BACK TO BACK!
CAN’T LET ANYONE DO IT AGAIN!
The idea at the end sounds super sick. I'm on the cusp of being able to actively think about my gameplay, and hearing a lot of different perspectives about the events of a match would be really helpful. Also just seems like it would be fun to watch regardless.
Really like the idea of the new 2-player replay/analysis series, sounds like it'd be a real great source of educational GG content
I’m happy some characters got less linear it’s so much more fun now to play now.
The ideia of the series in the end IT'S AWESOME !! Looking foward to see if it is possible because this kinda of content is pretty much what i look for when i search for footage of MU's or char specific players, your content is amazing bro, keep up o/
Came for the thumbnail. Stayed for the Jam.
New show idea sounds fucking sick! Two pros discussing their characters strat/gameplan, match, and then analysis and further commentary sounds like a formula for an invaluable learning resource for the community. It’d be great if the show could feature specific problem match ups sometimes too, since those types of matches would be the type of thing peeps might look up specific match up strats for
I’ll watch an infinite number of match analysis videos like this one, keep ‘em comin!
Hey, just wanted to let you know that the run-up 862BT thing he does after a PRC (example 8:25) is actually buffered, not raw. It’s essentially done by holding 8 during the PRC, pressing dash when you reach 6 (when you’re able to move again), and then HS when you get to 2. It’s not super easy to explain without looking at his inputs, but I hope it helps clear things up
Yeah, you can do it that way in this case. Darkrai also does just do running 862/842 also though so I’m jealous
@@SupermanSajam Yeah if you're on hitbox/mixbox/kb it's really hard to get it even semi-consistently. I know someone who can do them on hitbox and it's some wild finger magic
regarding dash cancels you don't have to input the motion within the 2 frames after cancelling with a dash. You can do the motion first and then hit dash macro>button quickly after each other basically like a SFIV plink. From what I can tell it works pretty much like Ram Rekka dash cancels and SQ has an older video on how to execute those. I haven't tested with GL Behemoths since I don't play him so he might be an exception but the ones I've tried have all worked with this.
what kinda makes it difficult is that you can't plink it every time because of hitstop; it'll buffer the dash cancel but not the special
@@thesilverranger1 I haven't really run into this. Since you're always dash cancelling on hit or block there's always some hitstop so it might be that you're just not timing it properly. I started out making the mistake of inputting the special motion too soon, but you really gotta input it as close as possible to the dash>button plink, and if the whole thing is too early both motion and button the game will give you a dash but no special cancel since the dash buffer is a cancel like everything else in the game while the kara special functions more as a frame link you have to input at a very specific time.
@@gwen9939 ya that's basically what i'm getting at. kara cancelling into the special needs more timing than just dash cancelling no matter what, generally i just buffer the dash and then time the special
The video idea mentioned at the end sounds amazing!
That new series/channel idea sounds great, make sure to get some kyles in there
That is an incredible series idea.
I agree @TheJakeJackson
That idea at the end is SO EXCITING you should def do it!!
Love the new content!!
"that was almost some john wick shit" had my dying
I'm so for the idea of interviews before and after a set. It's such a good idea to do on your own, but most of the time I forget to even ask questions afterwards.
That show idea sounded dope! I hope you are able to get it going.
Honestly, that series idea could even be its own RUclips channel. It’s a fantastic idea and I definitely hope you look into doing it
I would actually adore a series bringing good players on to just play and talk about the matches. Raw match footage is really hard for me personally to parse and understand, which is frequently why I like your analysis, but it'd be great to get character specialists to really get into it.
That idea for a series at the end there sounds dope, Id totally watch that. Have it commentated by our main man Sajam. What great is that these ideas are possible now, because of the good rollback. Have each high level player stream their own stuff on top of that, nobody loses!
the new show idea is golden. would love to see it!
Wow, this matchup is actually FUN TO WATCH AND PLAY now which should be the goal! Kudos to the team behind balancing this game!
The idea of the series is really awesome
Class, we are learning how to take down The Savage GL and his BT domination style.
Edit: The other interesting thing now is the drone is forcing, at least in that set with HC, to do some mad scrambling.
Which I found to be entertaining because people will be force to adapt more, at least around the drone strats.
I love the idea of having match analysis that comes with the player's thought process. I can play a few matches and do really well and have commentators being like, "Man, this guy is galaxy brain!" while I am there missing inputs and shit just mashing Ram rekkas lol
That Idea at the end seems awesome! It would be so cool to see how they feel and what they really think,
I think an analysis show is a great idea. You have the hookup on so many good players, and knowledge-centric content is honestly so rare.
that new series idea sound incredible!
Sajam I NEED this new show idea if you can make it happen. It sounds so fun
Really good idea for the new series
Imagine this version of Goldlewis Bigdickinson with the old guard crush LOL
Sounds like a banger idea at the end.
Very good idea for new show. I will download every episode to learn actually
The idea of two high level players discussing before and after their set would be really really interesting I hope you do that.
that is like ideal content
The new show idea sounds beast, I'd love to see it happen
I would watch the hell out of that show concept at the end, it sounds really cool.
Gotta say with these changes (or maybe just the play style the chaos is using) this matchup is a lot more fun to watch. More intensity and aggression!
It's a mixture. The changes made it so it's less effective for happy chaos to chain long range zoning over and over (largely due to curse jail being less resource efficient + Clone being more HP costly) but it still absolutely exists. Especially if the opponent just lets Chaos get curse on them.
The new show idea is sick, i look forward to its success
I like the match analysis idea. My only worry is that they might not give their all or hold stuff back that they’re saving for like a big tournament which could throw off people trying to learn.
Strive has become absolutely violent
I fucking love the pause before Chaos gets his body melted by bullets
The match hosting idea sounds really entertaining! Can’t wait to see it.
Also, unrelated but what does it mean when someone says “that move is eSports”?
If you can throw out a button at max range and get high reward off it with very diminishing risk, it’s an eSports button. As examples: Vegito 5M in dragon ball in current patch, Chun-Li st.HP in SFV before the most recent patch, Ram fS in GGST. It’s not specific to normals, but it’s more commonly used for them.
@@conrspowrt6691 okay I understand it now, thank you!
I, for one, would love to see the Sajam fight club.
Happy Chaos is one of the best looking zoners in any game. Especially since it takes so many inputs to pull it off.
Honestly that hypothetical series sounds sick as fuck
That thumbnail...I didn't think Goldlewis was capable of somehow getting more "bara", but here we are. He really is every character, even from different series.
lol remember when we read the patch and thought "6h buff? whos gonna use that button that button stinks" :]
A lot of people jumped into claims without even trying or labbing, specially with Anji, they couldn't change the patch notes so the instead of reflecting on themselves they blamed the Devs
The idea he describes at the end of the video is literally the exact same thing as SETS for SFV but for Guilty Gear. I’m down for that
The new show idea sounds so cool, pls do it
Just stroke my own ego real quick, I've been abusing Goldlewis's 6h even before patch. Like since day 1.
The show would be an instant watch for me.
I really like idea of the series Sajam described. Maybe i could do something alike on 3s :) .
I don’t think I’ll ever *not* be scared of Goldlewis, even when I’m playing someone like Axl.
For the wild FRC + Positive Bonus pressure, what do you think about reducing the meter gain from Positive Bonus every time you use meter? So it goes away after 2-3 RCs/Overdrives, or eventually over time like normal, depending on what happens first? That would give you some benefit still, but not an absurd amount of loop potential.
Maybe getting knocked down, bursted, YRC'd could also reduce the positive meter gain as well. Bad ideas but I got nothing.
It's a difficult thing to address, because if you just slow down the meter gain in general after using an FRC, that basically defeats the purpose of the new feature with preserving meter on FRC, and also the RRC damage scaling removal to compensate. I don't know.
Also wanted to say I really like the show idea, hope you can wrangle some folks and give it a shot at least once to see how it goes.
I think the game feels a bit closer to older titles between Roman Cancels having more incentives and the slight damage reduction.
I agree, but I got confused at "slight damage reduction".
Yeah, from what ive seen a lot of characters can pump out more damage now
As someone who doesn’t lab a lot because I don’t have time, the expert player commentary would be sick.
happy chaos vs goldlewis this patch is hilarious
With 6H>drone goldlewis has finally become Faust
I definitely wanna see some high level Pot players on your new show
Goldlewis is my favourite character to spectate, this is a great patch.
They should add a mechanic that reduces Tension gained after like two RRCs or even one so that not even the discount from RRC can fill another bar.
those loops are my favourite part personally, especially when faultless got way better. the meta was slowly moving toward never breaking the wall and now there's a real point to positive bonus. also gio's new chip feature isn't that scary without the loops and I think she needs them to be a threat.
Can you get Majas and Yummy Stew to do an Xrd runback match with analysis?
Ram, Sol, Nago and Leo: what is this, this was never apart of the matchup!
Daisuke: I have altered the matchups, pray I do not alter it any further!
Anji and Faust: fast RC; disjointed hitboxes.... You do care! *Wahaha* 😭
Umisho is being modest /reserved or simply is trying to work on his close range game due to HCs buffs. There were a number of times in this set where he absolutely could have stayed full screen and delivered air tight steady aim gaurd crush loops. The concentration range nerf is nearly nonexistent when you are reload canceling air tight loops. The nerf hit less capable HC players that more often sat in steady aim stance from full screen with poor execution.
Not really, not to mention that wouldn't make any sense, ehy would they give him a nerf that only affects lower level players lol. I highly doubt they would ever give a nerf that is specifically designed to do nothing but make his execution harder. Doesn't change the meta and just makes people less likely to play him
@@zato-1766 Im not suggesting the nerf was intentionally meant for lower level play. Im saying what the nerf accomplised, not what the developers intentions were. That fact remains that HC is still very strong and the nerf did very little to address the concerns that high level players had with him, while making him less effective at low level play.
I'd be for that new series idea. Watching high level play is nice, but it's even better when there's someone explaining what's happening. More so if it's the players themselves explaining the thought process.
Pretty sure Positive Bonus doesn't last that long, so there's not so many situations that could take advantage of the loop.
plus fd exists
me enjoying the anji experience especially frc loops
i might really now buy gold lewis he too broke
Goldlewis gets a better knockdown from drone than Anji does from Nagiha
yeah you should be a match-maker.
that would be a great format.
'ranked' and tournaments shouldn't be the only ways to play the game in a serious way.
game newton ft10s in 3s are some of the best material for the game.
How the hell is he doing behemoth overhead without buffering?
damn hes good. thats all you needa know
@@TheJbrown60 That doesn’t help me get better lmao
Goldlewis can cancel his jump squat into a BT, so if you input it before he jumps (and I think his jump squat is 5 frames), you can do the overhead or low without a buffer. It's pretty tough to get consistent
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Do you think it's worth for fans to donate or matcherino for these exhibitions? I'd donate if they actually discuss the matchup genuinely
Overall HC probably got buffed in most matchups but GL is eating good in the MU because the aspects he sucked st the most got nerfed, his neutral got buffed, and he kept the ability to win off of one hit that he already had
I'm not sure. You cannot really say having to go in is buffed. Even if it's stronger than it was before and it was already fucked up, winning at full screen is literally the most powerful form IMO. Even top 8 games with notable players was boiled down to getting killed at full screen zoning. I know what you are saying, and I want to agree, since I never really had trouble with the zoning personally, though it was fucked up (I literally just didn't move unless he concentrated/reloaded more bullets but in return I took a ton of chip), but seeing top players just die to it over and over again just shows how strong it was and at literally 0 risk.
Yes, his crazy pressure and mid ranged got buffed, but that still requires interacting with your opponent, which he literally didn't have to do pre-patch. Any interaction could've been purely reactionary and with the way he played he'd likely be in advantage. As the opponent you HAD to go in. Nowadays if you stand outside of 2S range, you are actually in a decent spot and if he doesn't go in on you, you can catch him when he's down on resources much easier.
@@GriFFonRec4 I get what you’re saying, but I think referring to Deb on this one is the safest call. She said that before, you needed a wallbreak to really have that zoning OP win conditions, but now due to how concentration drains slower up close, his win condition is simply getting a knockdown. I would agree that he has to go in more, but I don’t think looping guard break pressure with barely any gaps means he is exactly “interacting” with the other player. I will agree that it matters vs GL though, because if he does 2P 2P 684H, there is an extremely high chance Chaos will either have to burst, or just straight up lose the round from there, and I don’t think any other character has close to that kind of threat challenging HC’s pressure
@@NeoBoneGirl Sure, but playing around reversals, burst, FD and YRC is still interacting, as little as it is. And he DOES have points where you can beat him, they are just risky as hell since there's no way to see it, it's just a guess. I saw that video from Deb too, and I think her take is probably correct, on paper.
That said, if you look at literally any tournament with Umisho in it, he just glides through without much interacting, and I'd say he has the balanced approach where he's amazing at handling his resources, zoning AND pressure. But if his opponent doesn't pressure him enough, he literally can just win from full screen. Even other HC players who focus a lot on the zoning did very well because it was just so strong.
Again, on paper I do agree with you, but in practice, the zoning was probably his strongest version because literally no one (except Tempest lol) could deal with it. Who knows though, maybe after some tournaments we'll see that HC is stronger now than he was before, but it's too hard to tell atm. This video is kind of the proof in the pudding, Umisho HAS to go in, and if Darkrai out footsises him, he loses. Sure his win con is "get a knock down" but that similar to almost any character really. Ram's is get your opponent vaguely towards to corner.
@@GriFFonRec4 I’m also not too sure how much of this clip is Umisho “having” to go in. From what I gathered, his zoning nerfs are not too significant if you cancel fast enough, so it could be a case of Umisho trying to test out the new changes instead of playing like nothing happened, and then messing up new stuff because they’re playing completely differently, meanwhile Goldlewis can play pretty much the exact same way save for the new use of 6H and drone, and do a lot better. Not to discredit either player, but it could be a product of Umisho essentially playing an all new matchup, while Darkrai is playing something they’ve played against hundreds of times
Bro this patch is so much fun. Why is everyone dooming so hard? Like every match I play in the tower is just people who go afk in round 2.
yo @ 17:28 I would LOVE to do that. I'm hot garbage, so me watching that, I know I could learn alot, and also me being part of that, like playing in that scenario, I could learn alot as well.
Fast rrc is good imho, at least not people will stop complaining about wall breaks 🌚
Sajam is my dad
I still think it's bullshit Happy Chaos has more health than Jack-O
To be fair ch clone takes away most of his health just to avoid a hit but it can be countered pretty easily. However, both chaos and jack o can't take hits even if their life depends on it.
Colonel Armstrong Gold Lewis is such a Broken idea.
Give Sorez in Granblue a Armstrong skin aswell
They kill Anji :(
Goldlewis players im begging you, decide memorable names for the various BTs
Why would they? Just learn numpad notation
@@NeoBoneGirl Works well for reading, makes for terrible commentary.
@@punishedbrak4255 I’d much rather hear 268BT vs “the Mama Mia Behemoth”
@@punishedbrak4255 How does giving the specific BTs a name make for better commentary? 248BT is much more efficient and immediately recognisable what move is being discussed.
Should we have different names for all the different strengths of specials as well? It’s no longer HVV, we call it Massive Caldera Cobra (MCC) now.
@@ktrieun okay but Massive Caldera Cobra goes fucking hard ngl i'd pay to hear jouji nakata say it
Now if only I-no wasn't an immediate loss against HC. I'd like to play HC, but I don't like playing op characters.
I like the Hc changes. He still hella good but can’t play as lame forever like he used to be.
As a GuiltyGear player I always hate it when Arcsys adds new mechanics/options to the entire game like they do EVERY SINGLE TIME.
It deffinitley hasn't resulted in the best version of every single game they've ever done it to.
Agreed. That's how they end up with messy games like ACR or BBCF, but they never learn.
"I don't like how the power level grew stronger" then why did you complain about it for months the game wasn't "loose"