A few takeaways that are even more relevant lessons to the audience. First off just because you use a bigger spring doesn’t mean it’s a stronger spring made and tempered from better quality spring steel, especially at a given compressed length. Secondly adding tar may help with spring wrap but it also will cause more friction which amplifies the weaker spring issue. I bet if you did a tension test between the two springs the new bigger spring has less tension when it’s compressed to the length that the rifle is compressing it. Final takeaway, more spring tension is more power, its just laws of physics!
@mtwolf13a Yes, I'm aware of that, my friend. In this instance, I was more concerned with a smooth, quiet shot than I was with power output. Thanks very much for watching.
Nice job and I would've been a bewildered to that outcome also..THANKS.. P.S great learning experience for those of us who haven't already been there..THANKS AGAIN ..
What a great channel! I've just got a sash clamp spring compressor to do an 'Original' Mod 36 .177. I've got an original spring and piston seal to go in and just watched your Model 34 strip down.
Hi Kevin, Thank you for another great video and learn on your channel. I am just beginning this journey and putting into practice what I'm learning from you. Im loving it and finding this really interesting. I'm also loving other peoples comments and findings, leading to an all-around very interesting read and education. I suppose Kevin, even people like yourself who are obviously very knowledgeable and experienced still find things that surprise them and run against what they would expect to find. Maybe this is what keeps us all on the cliff face, lol! It was lovely to see the Diana Magnum air rifle and like the Weihraurch's looks super well made and dependable. In my heart of hearts, Ive always thought Diana's stocks were just a little slender and would like them a little beefier. However, thats just personal choice and splitting hairs. Of course, a beefier stock means more weight and not a great choice in the field when carrying all day. Thank you again, Kevin. Great to see you and listen and learn to what you have to say and show us. Take care, my friend.
It would be interesting to test the rifle with heavier pellets-comparing both springs. With heavier wire diameter, the rifles power curve tends toward heavier pellets. With H&N Barracudas at 21 grains, I'll wager the heavier spring would show higher velocities than the lighter spring. Interesting lessons in how spring rifles function in relation to different powerplant components. Best wishes Kevin.
That IS a valid point. A good Heavy pellets Can store a lot of energy down range. It may be slower coming out of the gate but produce an optimal Ballistic Coefficient overall. 😉 "The candle that burns the Brightest, burns out the Quickest" 😏
I own the Diana Mauser K98. It is a Mod. 460 with different stocks. I have had many problems with my Diana. Broken lever linkage pin, pellets dropping into the compression tube, and stock damage from the release lever.
Thanks Armando, There were some issues with the earlier rifles. Most notably, the pivot pin in the cocking linkage. I'm sorry that you're experiencing problems with your rifle.
There's a few places to improve the Diana's, but I gather you're here to Whup on the 460 format... 😉👍 The cocking pin Was a known issue with the early rifles. The Mauser Springer "WILL" be a collectible one day, So I think I'd dry my eyes and invest the time and money in a Quality time, and sorting sorting out the rifle... 🤷🏼♂️ They don't make the spring version any more and the Mauser DOES have a solid market niche ! 😁👍
This interesting paradox happened to me with a Diana 280. I replaced the spring with a smaller diameter and finer wired spring of similar length to find it shot much sweeter and produced slightly more power. Regards
Very interesting video. Have you tried or heard of TBT tuning in England 🏴 , they have some very nice springs which might just "do the job" as they say. John. ENGLAND , UK
The best all around, spring air rifle in my opinion, is the HW50S. Perfect compromise between power and weight. Ideal for small game and accurate enough for informal target work.
Great little channel here, normally I don't subscribe to any channels but these videos are little hidden gems. Been searching for information on break barrels, so many reviews DONT fire the gun. How can you review without firing!? You do a solid job though. I feel like when I'm watching I'm learning from my elder, something useful that maybe one day I can pass down to the next generation. I notice you love to do rifles mostly. But I would really love to see more pistols! The Benjamin trail np is one I have my eye on but here in Canada we are VERY limited to what we can even buy. So unfortunately seems like every decent pistol I find I can't even purchase. 💔 Anyways just something I would love to see since I'll never be able to fire one 😭.. back to your videos. Keep it up old timer... be amazing to shoot with you and learn some tips (beginner here trying to find the right break barrel or spring pistol to even buy)
Thanks so much, Keith. So glad to hear that you're enjoying the channel. Just one question.....Who are you calling an "old timer"🤣🤣🤣 I don't know if it's available in Canada or not, but I'd highly recommend the Weihrauch HW70 air pistol. Top quality and an excellent trigger, which, as far as I'm concerned, is a must-have in a pistol. Thanks again, my friend.
@@razor1962 I had a feeling you would recommend something great. That gun is so similar to one I already had my eye on. The record lp3. German made guns are amazing and would love to get my hands on one. They don't build things the way they use to, so idealy I want a gun made before I was born. Or a lot of the German made guns seem perfect for what I want. I appreciate the advice, I wanted something built to last, full metal rather than plastic. I think if I find this gun available I'll definitely have a hard time saying no... Any other recommendations for a springer or break barrel pistol would be amazing.
@keithhockley5168 As long as you wisely will consider older guns, heres a few of my favorites. If your looking for good rugged pistol and you don't mind having to work a little to shoot a decent group, a classic pistol like the Webley Tempest or it's older cousins the Senior and the Premier are worth a look. There's also a variation called the hurricane, and it featured a longer sight plane as well as the option to mount a scope. Check out the Hy Score model 802. It's a 6 shot, repeating spring pistol with a surprisingly nice trigger. Have a look at the Diana Mod 5 or 6. Both are high-quality guns. The model 5 is a standard break barrel, while the model 6 is recoiless. There were variations as the guns evolved..all of them were great guns. The HW45 / Beeman P1 pistol is expensive but definitely brings more to the table. Its's trigger is awesome. Another gun to consider, which I believe is still available, is the Cometa Indian. A unique design, I have not had the pleasure of handling one, however. Still don't know what your limitations are with regard to air pistols in Canada. It's possible that none of these will meet the requirements of the laws. I guess that figuring that out is on you, Keith.
Truely appreciate the info. I know I have just begun my journey of learning about these pistols. But it seems like each day I dig up more names and it leads me to another fantastic gun, and a rabbit hole that keeps going deeper (the real treasures were made before I was even born) I'm so fascinated by any of the break barrel pistols. I researched all the names you gave, and was pretty impressed. Any One of them would be an amazing first gun. I didn't see any of them for sale online in Canada, and also unfortunately it has to be under 500fps which a lot of the great pistols are higher than that. Also even if I could find any, it's probably 500-1000 $. So while I know it's quality it's hard for me to want to buy something that's a bit out of budget. For example the feinwerkbau (103) pistols, just amazing but also well over a thousand dollars easily. I'm unfortunately a broke person, my original budget was under 100. But then as I looked it climbed up to 200, and so on, I'm about the 300-400$ range now 😆 It's a hard choice for begginers, when there's so many options. I really love the Webley guns, tempest, hurricane, senior, Alecto... Ah you know them all. Can't wait to shoot one!! I'll continue learning from your videos, and look forward to the next pistol one!!!
@@PeterAgostiniJdcap26There is a Hatsan .357 listed on the Classifieds today. Tempted to simply offer him 20 buckets of KFC Extra Crispy with all the fixxins and waiting for his Arteries to Choke The Life out of the poor Mongrel... 😉
The spring has got a lot less to do with the power than the efficiency of the sealing and the swept volume (unless your original spring has really lost it's tension or taken a set)...the piston can move forwards twice as fast but if the same amount of air is being compressed you're only going to find a handful of fps, maybe 20....whereas if you can increase the swept volume by quarter inch or so you can get 10% more power with the same spring Often, weighting the piston can make more difference than a spring you have to stand on to cram in. You can tune the transfer port too, but cocking it up is a bit fatal. This rifle has slowed because of the spring tar ... I'm not a fan, quietens it, sure, but there's no substitute for allowing controlled natural rotation, there was probably no loss of original spring temper, so nothing to gain really.
Hi Dom. Great info. I've been getting some feedback that also recommends eliminating the tar. I'll give it some experimental testing. I imagine that a tight-fitting guide can cancel the buzz without the need for tar. Let's find out.... Thanks for watching, my friend.
Hi Kevin I noticed the old spring had a lot more coils than the new one I've always been led to believe the amount of coils are what you count when replacing a spring What do you think ? Thanks for another informative video 👍
What is the lubricants you use in the uk we use molybdenum grease and in this case less is more i only use genuine hw springs my 😊80s was cocked and loaded for 6+months my mate got the rifle and madeit safe i got it and put it over the chrono and it 11.4ftlbs not bad striped it down de grease spring end's sorted and a good spring no twist or kinks not bad for been cocked for.a long time lubed and back together down to the home range started shooting and no bong no greating very quiet so after about 200+ pellets still no bongs loading is good and very quiet so there known for moving up in the ftlbs so the pellet it likes the new wasps in 22 so the chronograph it started at 11..4ftlbs and now it is 11.6ftlbs so a little up no top hat and a man made spring quide a great rifle the Hw80s
Molybdenum disulfied or moly grease is also what I use on friction surfaces. I use either light or heavy tar on the spring, depending upon the situation. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Hi Keith. Although recently discontinued, the Diana model 34 is a classic. Currently, there's a model 340 EMS which I believe is it's replacement but I have no experience with it. I'd look for a good 2nd hand 34. Thanks for watching, my friend.
@@razor1962 thanks, the numbering system makes no sense whatsoever to me. I do like the look of the model 30 for it's quirky side lever action. I'll keep an eye out for the 34, thanks
a new spring is always longer ,after a short time it will be shorter , count the windings , and the wire thickness , most max the export spring is the biggest spring that fits , because a spring is complete compressed while cocking and locking the piston in he trigger unit
Hi Peter. This spring was sold to my friend as a direct replacement for his rifle. I'm sure that it will take a set, but it doesn't seem like the correct spring to me.
Hi Mick. To be honest, I really don't have a definite explanation. It was suggested that heavier pellets might prove more efficient with the stronger powerplant. I'll have to have my friend try some out. Thanks as always, my friend.
Personally, this is exactly why I avoid using or reusing unknown parts and tend to trade with solid reputable "Experienced" suppliers! 😉👍 #airrifleheadquarters 😃
@@razor1962Now that IS Weird. Even when I make an odd order Jim always catches it. 🤷🏼♂️ I have a decent list of reputable purveyors, but the list of Genuinely Experienced guys Is exactly 3 and Jim's at the Top of that list. 🤔 He's pretty much seen it all by now. 😁 Wonder if the Top hat and spacing could make that high of a difference ? 🤔
@@razor1962Probably should have gone with the full ZRT Kit. SFAIK There should be two guides front and rear with a steel flange washer. The only difference is in whether or not you go with the T01 or T05/06 kit. 🤷🏼♂️
Hey Kevin, Thanks for this video. Your videos are really great for newbies like me who haven't worked on airguns before. Where can I buy a heaviy spring coil system to replace a gas ram system and can I actually increase the fpe dramatically? I was hoping to get about 40 fpe for an old Gamo .22 so that I can harvest a big raccoon that has been hanging around my house. I don't have any PCP's in a higher calliber or higher fpe so I was thinking stronger spring and using heavy slugs. But I was told that a raccoon this size (almost 4 ft) needs a lot more than the 19/20 or so fpe. Does a spring coil producing 40 fpe even exist? And if it did, would the double recoil make the shot so inaccurate that it would defeat the purpose of the installation? Thanks again. Stay Safe. Be Well. GOD BLESS.
I don't think that's even possible metallurgically ??? 🤷🏼♂️ And I seriously doubt the chassis would handle the cocking force. 🤯 Back in the day when it came down to shear brute force your last resort was an Ox or Titan mainspring. Probably the Titan but the shot cycle is gonna be rough as a Cobb ! 😖 Specifically for this particular purpose you're probably better off with a PCP. 🤷🏼♂️ Even a fully charged .25 Theoben Eliminator only produces 33fpe with a 55 lb. cocking effort. Maybe check into a Hatsan .30 cal. ? 🤷🏼♂️
@@marcmyers1465 thanks for your input. I've heard that years ago Gamo actually made a 60 lbs. Cocking break barrel in .177 called the Hunter Extreme, Tactical Extreme, or SOCOM Extreme. I don't recall the fpe but it supposedly could bring down a feral hog.
I'm a little late to this party but I believe that Marc has the right idea. You'll be hard pressed to find anything with more FPE in a spring or gas ram rifle. If money is no object, you could keep an eye out for a Theoben Eliminator .25 cal. They're no longer in production, so they can be scarce on the used market. 30 ft lbs give or take is about the best you can reasonably expect from a spring or gas piston rifle of manageable proportions. Thanks for watching Ken.
I just recieved my HW97KT WOOD STOCK with STAINLESS BARREL now I have to get mounts for my scope because I never had a gun that needs dovetail mounts. I wanted to ask you do you think a 1 piece long dovetail mount is better then buying 2 dovetail scope rings for my gun so I can mount my scope. And if you can tell me what brand, I like the quality ones not worrying about price. Thanks buddy.
This is exactly why I tend to use the Crosman Premier Heavies in Diana Super Magnums. They have a solid waist with a hard high antimony lead and just enough of a short thin skirt to conform to the rifling lands. 😉 So far it's always worked for me, but yeah... There are lots of other pellets I might like to use for other reasons. 🤷🏼♂️ You're right though Many pellets will simply balloon before they ever even make it down the barrel. 😠 Many of the Diana pellets have a premium soft lead that works Great for most Airguns, but Super Magnums do tend to blow them out of proportion. 😣
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A few takeaways that are even more relevant lessons to the audience. First off just because you use a bigger spring doesn’t mean it’s a stronger spring made and tempered from better quality spring steel, especially at a given compressed length. Secondly adding tar may help with spring wrap but it also will cause more friction which amplifies the weaker spring issue. I bet if you did a tension test between the two springs the new bigger spring has less tension when it’s compressed to the length that the rifle is compressing it. Final takeaway, more spring tension is more power, its just laws of physics!
Absolutely correct. Thanks for your input, my friend.
You only need a light coat of spring tar. Too much will slow down velocity..
@mtwolf13a Yes, I'm aware of that, my friend. In this instance, I was more concerned with a smooth, quiet shot than I was with power output.
Thanks very much for watching.
Nice job and I would've been a bewildered to that outcome also..THANKS.. P.S great learning experience for those of us who haven't already been there..THANKS AGAIN ..
Thanks, Jay. I'm glad that you found the video helpful.
What a great channel! I've just got a sash clamp spring compressor to do an 'Original' Mod 36 .177. I've got an original spring and piston seal to go in and just watched your Model 34 strip down.
Excellent rifle, my friend. So glad that you're enjoying the channel.
Thanks for watching!
There is something relaxing about watching someone else service air rifles! Good thought provoking video, Kevin. ScottinPa.
Thanks, Scott, and thanks for watching.
Hi Kevin,
Thank you for another great video and learn on your channel.
I am just beginning this journey and putting into practice what I'm learning from you. Im loving it and finding this really interesting. I'm also loving other peoples comments and findings, leading to an all-around very interesting read and education.
I suppose Kevin, even people like yourself who are obviously very knowledgeable and experienced still find things that surprise them and run against what they would expect to find. Maybe this is what keeps us all on the cliff face, lol!
It was lovely to see the Diana Magnum air rifle and like the Weihraurch's looks super well made and dependable.
In my heart of hearts, Ive always thought Diana's stocks were just a little slender and would like them a little beefier. However, thats just personal choice and splitting hairs. Of course, a beefier stock means more weight and not a great choice in the field when carrying all day.
Thank you again, Kevin. Great to see you and listen and learn to what you have to say and show us.
Take care, my friend.
Thanks, Ian. Always a pleasure, my friend.
Good lesson Kevin standard spring's not that bad !a little home work needed when choosing a replacement thanks again Kevin
Thanks David. My friend purchased that spring as a direct replacement for the original. Very strange.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Great lesson learned, great review
Thank you, my friend.
Another great video, really enjoyed it 😎
It would be interesting to test the rifle with heavier pellets-comparing both springs. With heavier wire diameter, the rifles power curve tends toward heavier pellets. With H&N Barracudas at 21 grains, I'll wager the heavier spring would show higher velocities than the lighter spring. Interesting lessons in how spring rifles function in relation to different powerplant components. Best wishes Kevin.
if you put a spring whit thicker wire you can not as many windings as before ,because the springs are most complete compressed
You may be onto something. I'll ask my friend to try heavier pellets to see if it does better. Thanks as always, my friend.
@@peteralexben😉👍
That IS a valid point. A good Heavy pellets Can store a lot of energy down range. It may be slower coming out of the gate but produce an optimal Ballistic Coefficient overall. 😉 "The candle that burns the Brightest, burns out the Quickest" 😏
I own the Diana Mauser K98. It is a Mod. 460 with different stocks. I have had many problems with my Diana. Broken lever linkage pin, pellets dropping into the compression tube, and stock damage from the release lever.
Thanks Armando,
There were some issues with the earlier rifles. Most notably, the pivot pin in the cocking linkage. I'm sorry that you're experiencing problems with your rifle.
There's a few places to improve the Diana's, but I gather you're here to Whup on the 460 format... 😉👍 The cocking pin Was a known issue with the early rifles.
The Mauser Springer "WILL" be a collectible one day, So I think I'd dry my eyes and invest the time and money in a Quality time, and sorting sorting out the rifle... 🤷🏼♂️ They don't make the spring version any more and the Mauser DOES have a solid market niche ! 😁👍
EDIT: Quality "Tune" I got spall chucked ! 🤬
The Diana barrels seem to be oversized.
This interesting paradox happened to me with a Diana 280. I replaced the spring with a smaller diameter and finer wired spring of similar length to find it shot much sweeter and produced slightly more power.
Regards
Interesting. Thanks, Tony, and thanks for watching.
Very interesting video.
Have you tried or heard of TBT tuning in England 🏴 , they have some very nice springs which might just "do the job" as they say.
John.
ENGLAND , UK
If anything, I'll reinstall the original spring that was producing over 20 ft/lbs. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Morning Kevin! Sorry I am late to the party 😬
Hi Nibs. Thanks for watching.
A good video
Thank you, Collin.
Wow no top hat. My 430 doesn't have one neither.. like always good video
Plenty of room for one, and the very 1st. Place to dampen spring buzz. 😉
Nope. No top hat. Thanks for watching.
Great videos!!!
If you can pick only ONE rifle....what would it be? Thanks from RSA
The best all around, spring air rifle in my opinion, is the HW50S.
Perfect compromise between power and weight. Ideal for small game and accurate enough for informal target work.
Great little channel here, normally I don't subscribe to any channels but these videos are little hidden gems. Been searching for information on break barrels, so many reviews DONT fire the gun. How can you review without firing!? You do a solid job though. I feel like when I'm watching I'm learning from my elder, something useful that maybe one day I can pass down to the next generation. I notice you love to do rifles mostly. But I would really love to see more pistols! The Benjamin trail np is one I have my eye on but here in Canada we are VERY limited to what we can even buy. So unfortunately seems like every decent pistol I find I can't even purchase. 💔
Anyways just something I would love to see since I'll never be able to fire one 😭.. back to your videos. Keep it up old timer... be amazing to shoot with you and learn some tips (beginner here trying to find the right break barrel or spring pistol to even buy)
Thanks so much, Keith. So glad to hear that you're enjoying the channel. Just one question.....Who are you calling an "old timer"🤣🤣🤣
I don't know if it's available in Canada or not, but I'd highly recommend the Weihrauch HW70 air pistol. Top quality and an excellent trigger, which, as far as I'm concerned, is a must-have in a pistol.
Thanks again, my friend.
@@razor1962 I had a feeling you would recommend something great. That gun is so similar to one I already had my eye on. The record lp3. German made guns are amazing and would love to get my hands on one. They don't build things the way they use to, so idealy I want a gun made before I was born. Or a lot of the German made guns seem perfect for what I want. I appreciate the advice, I wanted something built to last, full metal rather than plastic. I think if I find this gun available I'll definitely have a hard time saying no... Any other recommendations for a springer or break barrel pistol would be amazing.
@keithhockley5168 As long as you wisely will consider older guns, heres a few of my favorites.
If your looking for good rugged pistol and you don't mind having to work a little to shoot a decent group, a classic pistol like the Webley Tempest or it's older cousins the Senior and the Premier are worth a look. There's also a variation called the hurricane, and it featured a longer sight plane as well as the option to mount a scope.
Check out the Hy Score model 802. It's a 6 shot, repeating spring pistol with a surprisingly nice trigger.
Have a look at the Diana Mod 5 or 6. Both are high-quality guns. The model 5 is a standard break barrel, while the model 6 is recoiless. There were variations as the guns evolved..all of them were great guns.
The HW45 / Beeman P1 pistol is expensive but definitely brings more to the table. Its's trigger is awesome.
Another gun to consider, which I believe is still available, is the Cometa Indian. A unique design, I have not had the pleasure of handling one, however.
Still don't know what your limitations are with regard to air pistols in Canada. It's possible that none of these will meet the requirements of the laws. I guess that figuring that out is on you, Keith.
Truely appreciate the info. I know I have just begun my journey of learning about these pistols. But it seems like each day I dig up more names and it leads me to another fantastic gun, and a rabbit hole that keeps going deeper (the real treasures were made before I was even born) I'm so fascinated by any of the break barrel pistols. I researched all the names you gave, and was pretty impressed. Any One of them would be an amazing first gun. I didn't see any of them for sale online in Canada, and also unfortunately it has to be under 500fps which a lot of the great pistols are higher than that.
Also even if I could find any, it's probably 500-1000 $. So while I know it's quality it's hard for me to want to buy something that's a bit out of budget. For example the feinwerkbau (103) pistols, just amazing but also well over a thousand dollars easily. I'm unfortunately a broke person, my original budget was under 100. But then as I looked it climbed up to 200, and so on, I'm about the 300-400$ range now 😆 It's a hard choice for begginers, when there's so many options. I really love the Webley guns, tempest, hurricane, senior, Alecto... Ah you know them all. Can't wait to shoot one!! I'll continue learning from your videos, and look forward to the next pistol one!!!
Stick in a Vortek pg kit. That will sort it out.
Indeed, it will. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Good video 👍. Maybe that new spring needs a few hundred shots through it before the energy comes up?
I'm sure that the spring will settle in over time, but I don't see it gaining 4 ft lbs of energy. Thanks for watching.
Hey Kevin go figure the power is less with a heavier spring .
Yes, I think that it may be the wrong spring for the rifle. My friend said it was supposed to be a direct replacement, but something's not right.
@@razor1962 i agree with you , sounds like not the right one .
@@PeterAgostiniJdcap26There is a Hatsan .357 listed on the Classifieds today. Tempted to simply offer him 20 buckets of KFC Extra Crispy with all the fixxins and waiting for his Arteries to Choke The Life out of the poor Mongrel... 😉
The spring has got a lot less to do with the power than the efficiency of the sealing and the swept volume (unless your original spring has really lost it's tension or taken a set)...the piston can move forwards twice as fast but if the same amount of air is being compressed you're only going to find a handful of fps, maybe 20....whereas if you can increase the swept volume by quarter inch or so you can get 10% more power with the same spring
Often, weighting the piston can make more difference than a spring you have to stand on to cram in.
You can tune the transfer port too, but cocking it up is a bit fatal.
This rifle has slowed because of the spring tar ... I'm not a fan, quietens it, sure, but there's no substitute for allowing controlled natural rotation, there was probably no loss of original spring temper, so nothing to gain really.
Hi Dom. Great info. I've been getting some feedback that also recommends eliminating the tar. I'll give it some experimental testing. I imagine that a tight-fitting guide can cancel the buzz without the need for tar. Let's find out....
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Hi Kevin I noticed the old spring had a lot more coils than the new one I've always been led to believe the amount of coils are what you count when replacing a spring What do you think ? Thanks for another informative video 👍
My friend supplied the spring. He said that it was supposed to be a direct replacement for the original.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
What is the lubricants you use in the uk we use molybdenum grease and in this case less is more i only use genuine hw springs my 😊80s was cocked and loaded for 6+months my mate got the rifle and madeit safe i got it and put it over the chrono and it 11.4ftlbs not bad striped it down de grease spring end's sorted and a good spring no twist or kinks not bad for been cocked for.a long time lubed and back together down to the home range started shooting and no bong no greating very quiet so after about 200+ pellets still no bongs loading is good and very quiet so there known for moving up in the ftlbs so the pellet it likes the new wasps in 22 so the chronograph it started at 11..4ftlbs and now it is 11.6ftlbs so a little up no top hat and a man made spring quide a great rifle the Hw80s
Molybdenum disulfied or moly grease is also what I use on friction surfaces. I use either light or heavy tar on the spring, depending upon the situation. Thanks for watching, my friend.
You could use tune in a tube which is a lithium grease usa 🇺🇸 brand
hay friend did you check you piston seal and or your gasket? thank you for the video
Yes, I rebuilt the rifle in a previous video. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Could you recommend a good 1st Diana? Not offay with the models and they look quite nice to work on.
Hi Keith. Although recently discontinued, the Diana model 34 is a classic. Currently, there's a model 340 EMS which I believe is it's replacement but I have no experience with it. I'd look for a good 2nd hand 34.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
@@razor1962 thanks, the numbering system makes no sense whatsoever to me. I do like the look of the model 30 for it's quirky side lever action. I'll keep an eye out for the 34, thanks
a new spring is always longer ,after a short time it will be shorter , count the windings , and the wire thickness , most max the export spring is the biggest spring that fits , because a spring is complete compressed while cocking and locking the piston in he trigger unit
Hi Peter. This spring was sold to my friend as a direct replacement for his rifle. I'm sure that it will take a set, but it doesn't seem like the correct spring to me.
That is so strange Kevin, do you think it's the length or the thickness of the coils? Nice to know the 'science' behind this?
The spring hadn't been set yet, the coil count was likely different, and the lack of a top hat to start with... 🤷🏼♂️
Hi Mick. To be honest, I really don't have a definite explanation. It was suggested that heavier pellets might prove more efficient with the stronger powerplant. I'll have to have my friend try some out.
Thanks as always, my friend.
What was the difference in diameter of the spring coils?
I measured them Armando, but I don't recall the numbers. Thanks for watching.
Personally, this is exactly why I avoid using or reusing unknown parts and tend to trade with solid reputable "Experienced" suppliers! 😉👍 #airrifleheadquarters 😃
According to Brian, this spring was from Jim, and it was the correct spring for the rifle. I'm at a loss to explain what's going on.
@@razor1962Now that IS Weird. Even when I make an odd order Jim always catches it. 🤷🏼♂️
I have a decent list of reputable purveyors, but the list of Genuinely Experienced guys Is exactly 3 and Jim's at the Top of that list. 🤔 He's pretty much seen it all by now. 😁
Wonder if the Top hat and spacing could make that high of a difference ? 🤔
@@razor1962Probably should have gone with the full ZRT Kit. SFAIK There should be two guides front and rear with a steel flange washer. The only difference is in whether or not you go with the T01 or T05/06 kit. 🤷🏼♂️
@@razor1962I wonder if he now has a ZRT spring on a factory guide ? 🤔
@@marcmyers1465 The spare spring for the ZRT is the E1350 and can be dropped in directly on factory guides. Wire diameter is .135.
Hey Kevin,
Thanks for this video.
Your videos are really great for newbies like me who haven't worked on airguns before.
Where can I buy a heaviy spring coil system to replace a gas ram system and can I actually increase the fpe dramatically? I was hoping to get about 40 fpe for an old Gamo .22 so that I can harvest a big raccoon that has been hanging around my house. I don't have any PCP's in a higher calliber or higher fpe so I was thinking stronger spring and using heavy slugs. But I was told that a raccoon this size (almost 4 ft) needs a lot more than the 19/20 or so fpe. Does a spring coil producing 40 fpe even exist? And if it did, would the double recoil make the shot so inaccurate that it would defeat the purpose of the installation?
Thanks again.
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I don't think that's even possible metallurgically ??? 🤷🏼♂️ And I seriously doubt the chassis would handle the cocking force. 🤯
Back in the day when it came down to shear brute force your last resort was an Ox or Titan mainspring. Probably the Titan but the shot cycle is gonna be rough as a Cobb ! 😖
Specifically for this particular purpose you're probably better off with a PCP. 🤷🏼♂️
Even a fully charged .25 Theoben Eliminator only produces 33fpe with a 55 lb. cocking effort.
Maybe check into a Hatsan
.30 cal. ? 🤷🏼♂️
@@marcmyers1465 thanks for your input. I've heard that years ago Gamo actually made a 60 lbs. Cocking break barrel in .177 called the Hunter Extreme, Tactical Extreme, or SOCOM Extreme. I don't recall the fpe but it supposedly could bring down a feral hog.
@@kenfan5666There's a Hatsan .357 listed in today's Classifieds.
@@marcmyers1465 Thanks for the heads up. I will check it out.
I'm a little late to this party but I believe that Marc has the right idea. You'll be hard pressed to find anything with more FPE in a spring or gas ram rifle. If money is no object, you could keep an eye out for a Theoben Eliminator .25 cal. They're no longer in production, so they can be scarce on the used market.
30 ft lbs give or take is about the best you can reasonably expect from a spring or gas piston rifle of manageable proportions.
Thanks for watching Ken.
Nice story. Can you say transfer port dia. please?
I'm sorry, but I don't know the diameter of the transfer port and the rifle has gone back to its owner, so I can not check for you
@@razor1962 No drama. Thanks for reply
I just recieved my HW97KT WOOD STOCK with STAINLESS BARREL now I have to get mounts for my scope because I never had a gun that needs dovetail mounts. I wanted to ask you do you think a 1 piece long dovetail mount is better then buying 2 dovetail scope rings for my gun so I can mount my scope. And if you can tell me what brand, I like the quality ones not worrying about price. Thanks buddy.
BKL's are pretty straight forward and solid as a rock ! 😉👍 No droop necessary for a Newer Weihrauch. 🤷🏼♂️
@marcmyers1465 what does BLKs mean
@@JohnVentarino-ey5lnBKL SCOPE MOUNTS. 😉
@@marcmyers1465took the words right out my mouth I recommend BKL scopes rings as well double screws.👍
The best are Sports Match.
try pellets that have a stronger skirt i, in my d52 most diabolo pellets are blown up to look like a slug, and then they do not get the speed
I'll pass your suggestion along to my friend who owns this rifle. Thank you.
This is exactly why I tend to use the Crosman Premier Heavies in Diana Super Magnums. They have a solid waist with a hard high antimony lead and just enough of a short thin skirt to conform to the rifling lands. 😉
So far it's always worked for me, but yeah... There are lots of other pellets I might like to use for other reasons. 🤷🏼♂️
You're right though Many pellets will simply balloon before they ever even make it down the barrel. 😠 Many of the Diana pellets have a premium soft lead that works Great for most Airguns, but Super Magnums do tend to blow them out of proportion. 😣
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Thanks Koenraad. Always a pleasure, my friend.
What's your email Kevin? Let's chat!
Hi Peter.
My email is:
pelletsandpistons@gmail.com