Sandy, I’m glad the outcome on this was a positive learning experience. Good practice of safety with the old coat on the cable 💯👍! Thanks for sharing this with us.. winch cables are no joke.. take care! Andrew from NB :)
Hey buddy how are ya? Oh man glad it broke away from ya!!! You have a good idea cut it free from the frozen snow. I look forward to your videos. Thank you for bringing us along. God bless you and yours be safe.
@@sawingwithsandy I’m just glad your safe. I’m sitting out back right now in a tee shirt burning a pile of brush and your fighting snow. We may get some more in late April or early may. We sure need the rain it’s dry here already.
Funny how some years it’s dry in the spring and others not eh. I’m hoping for the rest of this snow to go away soon as I’ve just about had it with the cold.
Good lesson. Careful out there. I work out in the bush, alone most of the time. I take a lot less chances now that I'm over 60 but still enough to get the job done and risk a big injury. Anything can happen. Another good video. Thanks
Don't confuse working load limit with breaking strength of the wire. My experience with Lewis winches is that they can put much more tension on the 3/16" wire than it can safely manage.
im sure youve figured this out by now, but synthetic rope wont hold up in this application its very fussy about not getting dragging on anything, and not getting wet in the winter, itll freeze itself into a block that you cant unspool i would step up to 1/4" cable, step down the length to what you figure you use most often call it 80' and then make up an 80' extension cable, you can pull 160' then and after 80' you disconnect the extension and bring the main cable out to the log thats only 80' away now, itll add a hook to the center on the long pulls but chances are long pulls are easy pulls, any difficult pulls youll try and be closer to, just put the jacket or a rubber truck matt over the hooks in this circumstance, probably 5ft on your side of the hooks is best actually, or you can add a weight to the main lines hook so if the secondary line broke it wouldnt be able to whip back but stepping up to 1/4" should eliminate any breakages, or even 5/16" for that matter
Thanks for sharing. Be careful out there. I really don't like to take down seedlings and saplings with snowpack still on ground, since I can't cut them close to the ground and don't want to go back and cut the stumps off at ground level after snow melt.
Ok so I need to add this to my gear list. Thanks a lot man! Lol trust is I would be a great tool to have as I do most of my work alone with out machines.
@@sawingwithsandy I just looked it up and now I’m wondering if a cap Stan style forest winch might be safer. But I guess paying attention to it spooling up also helps too.
Hi Sandy... Thanks for the video. When you replace the steel cable have you given any thought to buying a better grade cable than the OEM? Also, are you running 32:1 or 50:1 in the 660? BTW I ordered a 660.
Hi Tom. Thanks for watching. I’m not too familiar with different cable grades. Is there a stronger grade available in 3/16”? I’m also running 50:1 in my g660
@@sawingwithsandy I will check with my brother. Looks like they are mostly 840lbs working load limit with breaking strengths of 4200lbs. Get back to you if he knows of one. I saw a RUclipsr (Dogwood Springs Outdoors channel 11/16/20) who just got a 660 and is using 32:1. His manual is inconsistent. It has a corrected ratio of 32:1 but it still has 50:1 referenced on the same page.
That winch setup was working great. Glad the cable went away from you. Noticed you didn’t use the wood box as a platform today. Have you noticed a difference in use?
I like having the platform to keep the winch off the ground a bit but I don’t notice any performance difference. I’m getting better with the winch though and as a result the winch is becoming even for more user friendly as time goes on
First rule of winching is put an old sack or blanket or coat if that's what you have over the rope. You maybe better to scrap the wire and use one of the modern plastic type alternatives like offroaders. Much lighter and way safer for you. Also better to have the rope rated at least twice that of the winches maximum pull.
Would one of those synthetic cables be a safer alternative to steel? From my understanding the synthetic cable doesn’t store energy and therefore won’t whip around when it lets go.
Synthetic looks like a good option as long as it was abrasion resistant as the steel cable often is rubbing against the ground and other trees and whatnot. However the manufacturer warrants the winch only for the steel cable
Probably not a kink in the cable that caused it to break. You would have noticed a kink that bad. More likely you exceeded the capacity of the 3/16" cable because the log was frozen or stuck on an obstructing object. Consider using a high lift jack to free up the log before winching it, or maybe even a long pry bar. As for synthetic rope, it's stronger than steel but must be replaced more often and costs much more. Consider 1/4 or 5/16" cable if you haven't already.
92 cc? That's a big saw. My Husqvarna 72 cc usually bogs before a cable would break, at least a cable in good shape. I'm glad it didn't whip back and cut you.
Order some synthetic line. It's been the best investment I've ever done on my winches. (Granted talking truck winches). It's a lot easier to work, stronger, and depending one which route you go get more on your drum.
In a pinch like that, take the cable and lay it across the axe blade and use a soft hammer or very careful hits with it to that cable and cut it off clean .... one way the cable windings come out laying the same way the blade of the axe is and the other makes it a clear across strands of cable squarely. Across is the way that you want it to cut the frazzled end off. Looking at the end of this cable you should count like seven individual strands that are actually repeats of the main cable that your pulling with for noteworthy knowledge. Take the stands and separate so that there are three in one of the stands being separated on one and the other has four in the other. Now your holding a cable thats still round in the one hand and the other has the three one way and four the other and unwind this about a good eighteen inches of two strands and then like making a knot but not really ... they will fall into that groove where it was just shortly... take those ends and keep wrapping them till they meet at the one solid one making a eye in the cable. If the ends keep going for a distance you can wrap a bit further if you want making a quick eye in the end that won't slip or get tight on itself. I can't think of the name of this splice but once learned how, it works on rope with multiple strands too. If want, you can thread anything that the winch line had on its end to make hooking it to pulling straps easier.
You didn’t even get on it hard with the 660 you had a bad spot in your cable you were like 1/3 throttle just bliping it. My Lewis winch just arrived. Now waiting on my 660 to arrive once I decide which one 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 stihl holz or farm
I’d like to try one of those units out sometime as I always wondered how the rope would work when it got covered in snow on the capstan winch. Have you had any experiences using yours in deep snow?
@@sawingwithsandy Northern Boys Outfitting-Portable winch truck commercial, its sure the rope can slip a bit, but the cabestan cam very hot so fast, the rope dry very fast, excuse for my english im a french one loll I like your video you do a great job
Sandy, I’m glad the outcome on this was a positive learning experience. Good practice of safety with the old coat on the cable 💯👍! Thanks for sharing this with us.. winch cables are no joke.. take care! Andrew from NB :)
Hey Sandy,
Another great video. Glad to see you put your jacket on the cable. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe.
Thanks for the tuning in
Glad you are safe.
Glads your OK. always a problem just waiting to happen. All it needs is the opportunity. Good safety practice to leave a old coat on the cable
Good job with the jacket!
Thanks Jeff
glad you are OK
Hey buddy how are ya? Oh man glad it broke away from ya!!! You have a good idea cut it free from the frozen snow. I look forward to your videos. Thank you for bringing us along. God bless you and yours be safe.
I’m doing well, hope the same for you. Thanks again for tuning in. Some days things work out and some not haha
@@sawingwithsandy I’m just glad your safe. I’m sitting out back right now in a tee shirt burning a pile of brush and your fighting snow. We may get some more in late April or early may. We sure need the rain it’s dry here already.
Funny how some years it’s dry in the spring and others not eh. I’m hoping for the rest of this snow to go away soon as I’ve just about had it with the cold.
Good lesson. Careful out there. I work out in the bush, alone most of the time. I take a lot less chances now that I'm over 60 but still enough to get the job done and risk a big injury. Anything can happen. Another good video. Thanks
Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching
Sandy please post the details about your yellow cone used for skidding to keep front end out of the log out of the dirt.
It’s made by Portable Winch Company. There’s a few more details in the video description as well. Thanks fir tuning in and happy sawing
If i remember right you got the other half of that cable up at the house. be safe.
Always enjoy your videos. I would enjoy hearning why you got into YouTubing sometime and what keeps you going.
I’ll keep that in mind Rich. Thanks again for watching
Lesson learned, be safe, danger in the woods.
Don't confuse working load limit with breaking strength of the wire. My experience with Lewis winches is that they can put much more tension on the 3/16" wire than it can safely manage.
im sure youve figured this out by now, but synthetic rope wont hold up in this application its very fussy about not getting dragging on anything, and not getting wet in the winter, itll freeze itself into a block that you cant unspool
i would step up to 1/4" cable, step down the length to what you figure you use most often call it 80' and then make up an 80' extension cable, you can pull 160' then and after 80' you disconnect the extension and bring the main cable out to the log thats only 80' away now, itll add a hook to the center on the long pulls but chances are long pulls are easy pulls, any difficult pulls youll try and be closer to, just put the jacket or a rubber truck matt over the hooks in this circumstance, probably 5ft on your side of the hooks is best actually, or you can add a weight to the main lines hook so if the secondary line broke it wouldnt be able to whip back
but stepping up to 1/4" should eliminate any breakages, or even 5/16" for that matter
Thanks for sharing. Be careful out there. I really don't like to take down seedlings and saplings with snowpack still on ground, since I can't cut them close to the ground and don't want to go back and cut the stumps off at ground level after snow melt.
Thanks for watching John
Ok so I need to add this to my gear list. Thanks a lot man! Lol trust is I would be a great tool to have as I do most of my work alone with out machines.
I have found it’s a very useful tool as it’s very portable and besides needing fuel for the power head, it doesn’t need much else
@@sawingwithsandy I just looked it up and now I’m wondering if a cap Stan style forest winch might be safer. But I guess paying attention to it spooling up also helps too.
Hi Sandy... Thanks for the video. When you replace the steel cable have you given any thought to buying a better grade cable than the OEM? Also, are you running 32:1 or 50:1 in the 660? BTW I ordered a 660.
Hi Tom. Thanks for watching. I’m not too familiar with different cable grades. Is there a stronger grade available in 3/16”? I’m also running 50:1 in my g660
@@sawingwithsandy I will check with my brother. Looks like they are mostly 840lbs working load limit with breaking strengths of 4200lbs. Get back to you if he knows of one. I saw a RUclipsr (Dogwood Springs Outdoors channel 11/16/20) who just got a 660 and is using 32:1. His manual is inconsistent. It has a corrected ratio of 32:1 but it still has 50:1 referenced on the same page.
That winch setup was working great. Glad the cable went away from you. Noticed you didn’t use the wood box as a platform today. Have you noticed a difference in use?
I like having the platform to keep the winch off the ground a bit but I don’t notice any performance difference. I’m getting better with the winch though and as a result the winch is becoming even for more user friendly as time goes on
First rule of winching is put an old sack or blanket or coat if that's what you have over the rope.
You maybe better to scrap the wire and use one of the modern plastic type alternatives like offroaders. Much lighter and way safer for you.
Also better to have the rope rated at least twice that of the winches maximum pull.
Good plan for the next time, best to cut the tree end to a pointed end, so it pulls easier, and your nose skidding cone will fit better.
Yep that would help. It was tough since the cut I made was to get it off the stump and that didn’t allow too much wiggle room for cutting
Would one of those synthetic cables be a safer alternative to steel?
From my understanding the synthetic cable doesn’t store energy and therefore won’t whip around when it lets go.
Synthetic looks like a good option as long as it was abrasion resistant as the steel cable often is rubbing against the ground and other trees and whatnot. However the manufacturer warrants the winch only for the steel cable
Using Synthetic rope voids the warranty.
Probably not a kink in the cable that caused it to break. You would have noticed a kink that bad.
More likely you exceeded the capacity of the 3/16" cable because the log was frozen or stuck on an obstructing object.
Consider using a high lift jack to free up the log before winching it, or maybe even a long pry bar.
As for synthetic rope, it's stronger than steel but must be replaced more often and costs much more.
Consider 1/4 or 5/16" cable if you haven't already.
Will less cable and thicker gauge work for you?
I think I’d be hesitant to give up the length of the cable as it’s nice having the extra length at times
92 cc? That's a big saw. My Husqvarna 72 cc usually bogs before a cable would break, at least a cable in good shape. I'm glad it didn't whip back and cut you.
They say you can use up to that in the manual, I'm often breaking cables with my 660. Time to step down a saw.
Smart with the coat it could of went the other way.
Saw plenty of power .good video .
Thanks Dan. Certainly never lacking power that’s for sure
How many pounds pull is that winch.
In a straight pull without pulleys it’s rated for 4000k lbs
I would go to Westcoast rigging and order a replacement cable from them plus go to 1/4" x 100' is my suggestion.
Thanks for that Shawn
Order some synthetic line. It's been the best investment I've ever done on my winches. (Granted talking truck winches).
It's a lot easier to work, stronger, and depending one which route you go get more on your drum.
Unfortunately the warranty is void when using synthetic line
@@sawingwithsandy ahh that really is a sad thing then.
In a pinch like that, take the cable and lay it across the axe blade and use a soft hammer or very careful hits with it to that cable and cut it off clean .... one way the cable windings come out laying the same way the blade of the axe is and the other makes it a clear across strands of cable squarely. Across is the way that you want it to cut the frazzled end off. Looking at the end of this cable you should count like seven individual strands that are actually repeats of the main cable that your pulling with for noteworthy knowledge. Take the stands and separate so that there are three in one of the stands being separated on one and the other has four in the other. Now your holding a cable thats still round in the one hand and the other has the three one way and four the other and unwind this about a good eighteen inches of two strands and then like making a knot but not really ... they will fall into that groove where it was just shortly... take those ends and keep wrapping them till they meet at the one solid one making a eye in the cable. If the ends keep going for a distance you can wrap a bit further if you want making a quick eye in the end that won't slip or get tight on itself. I can't think of the name of this splice but once learned how, it works on rope with multiple strands too. If want, you can thread anything that the winch line had on its end to make hooking it to pulling straps easier.
Thanks for passing that along
You didn’t even get on it hard with the 660 you had a bad spot in your cable you were like 1/3 throttle just bliping it. My Lewis winch just arrived. Now waiting on my 660 to arrive once I decide which one 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 stihl holz or farm
Your lucky day, follow your plan to cut it above the snow line.
I would go with like a 100' of thicker Cable rather than a 150' of what you have on there
Try to find Protabe winch 5000 with forestery kit , thats wat i used its more safe
I’d like to try one of those units out sometime as I always wondered how the rope would work when it got covered in snow on the capstan winch. Have you had any experiences using yours in deep snow?
@@sawingwithsandy Northern Boys Outfitting-Portable winch truck commercial, its sure the rope can slip a bit, but the cabestan cam very hot so fast, the rope dry very fast, excuse for my english im a french one loll I like your video you do a great job
merci pour le réglage à Martin
Do a salami cut at an angle so the tree can slide the direction you're pulling.
Oops
Hopefully the video pays for the new cable 😏
i use a skid cone with my lewis winch. you would not break the cable with a skid cone
I use one as well. I couldn’t get a skid cone under the end of the tree since it was dug into the snow
Too much powa
It sure does have the torque that’s for sure
Цена.лебетки .к бензо пиле.Спасибо..
You have to start part of
Go learn how to rig you’re breaking wind like that no more
Parting your line every chance you. Get will save you and you equipment