Iwata WS400 Series 2 Unboxing & Physical Comparison To WS400 Mk1 Please See Part2 For Update
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2022
- Unboxing of the new WS400 Series 2
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Pete, I love how honest your reviews are!
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Thank you Boyan, I just say what I find, cheers 👍
Thanks for the great information.
Thanks Tony, much appreciated 👍
Well done. Realy honest review. It supose to be fixed problem from series 1 but its look the same only facelift. Good job.
Thanks Pedja, there is a follow up video to this one that is even more bizarre, there's a link in the description of this one. I was genuinely surprised, as you may hear in my voice, I have been using both over the last few days to try them out, the series 1 with the cap at an angle as in video 2, it's too early tell but initially they seem to spray the same, which is very very well, appreciate the comment 👍
Nice one Pete just another money spinner on an old gun then great review as always thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks Rob, it really surprised me as you may be able to tell at the end!, there really was very little if any difference, changes for changes sake by the looks of it 👍
Hi Pete - Please contact us as this isn't how the Series 2 should perform! We're here to help! (Can you provide some insight on the clearcoat used? Also try applying more material when conducting the spray out this will fill the pattern correctly - Also double check the gun set up?) There will always be slight differences in performance, but not like this! lets get this sorted!
Hi there, I have another video i have upload that has the "fix" for this, I think my problem was the tip wasn't tight enough to get the 90°, but, as I said in my instergram reply, this seems too tight and is certainly way in excess of the 4nm that is advised in the instructions, it's certainly far more than i would normally do any other Iwata gun's I have which spray fine.
You say the tip doesn't have to be spot on but if it's a little out, as in the first video with the air horns at at 90° each from the top the pattern separates.
I realise that with production tolerances not every one will be exactly the same but something that is clearly critical to a good pattern should perhaps be more stringently monitored.
I have also done the same to a series1, that has transformed the gun and now sprays a consistent uniform pattern on full fluid and full fan for the first time in it's life, I'll leave you to watch the video, thanks for taking the time to assist with this 👍
thanks Pete, think i’ll pass this one after i watched your video😂. Packing is pretty nice tho.
Hi Bill, they are good guns but not much different to the original from what i can see👍
Wow I thought there would be a substantial improvement in the series 2 , now I’ll just wait for the series 1 to get a bit cheaper and not bother with the new one, although I do like the taper in the adjustment knobs but in the end it’s all about function when it comes to sprayguns that why I really have no interests in limited edition releases , thank you Pete very good information
Thanks Roger, yes, from what i have seen so far there seems little point in buying the new one if the old one is available, cheers mate 👍
the series 1 is no longer comparable to the sr2.
the atomization is much better with the sr2 and you work much faster.
just 2 different pistols
@@miauzkater6745 Hi, I don't think i agree, I am in the process of trying the 2 different guns but with the series1 set up like a series2 as per the second video, it's early days at the moment but there seems very little if anything between them when set up like this
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i've been working with the ws400 1.3hd and ls400 1.3 et sr2 for three weeks now, i think it's a completely different paint job and it has nothing to do with the first series.
that's my feeling and that of my colleagues
@@peteshobbies5383 May I ask what clear coat you use?
Hi Pete great video as always mate! I can’t help but feel disappointed with what you have found here, I especially hate the idea that the parts between the MK1 and MK2 aren’t interchangeable with them being only slightly different, as this is intended to fix the original issue of having an even amount of product on full fan and finding that the issue is still there is well I wouldn’t be happy with it, I know it’s an easy fix with fan control, but I don’t think it’s asking for much maybe it’s different with base I don’t know 🤷♂️ anyway mate good video as always. Cheers Pete.
Thanks Steve, I was a bit taken aback to be honest, i was sure it would be fine so i was as surprised as anyone, that slowly turning to annoyance, someone just put a comment saying they have the series 2 base and clear and they are fine, 2 bar, full fan and fluid perfect pattern so I'm asking what clear they use as it could be the viscosity, the thicker the product the less it will split, that's what normally happens although all my other guns work fine regardless but I'm keen to find out why it's doing what it is, cheers mate 👍
Hi pete like your videos you do watch alot of them, i just got the new iwata LS400 base coat and the WS400hd clear coat guns series 2 box set both with the 1.3 setup, i was just wondering could you use th WS400hd clear gun for base coat as well if needed too,, just see if you have tryed it and if it works ok as a base coat gun or not, please if you can let me know what you think thanks, and maybe do a video on the WS400hd clear coat gun do base and clear with it. Thanks.
Hi Lee, The WS is not a particularly good base coat gun. It has bigger air holes in the tip, which tends to make it put basecoat on a little dry. It's better for waterbourn paints, but the LS is better anyway.
When Iwata originally bought out the WS400 around 14 years ago, they used the same gun and just labelled them base and clear, they then had to modify the base version with smaller air holes in the tip as everyone was complaining of dry spray on the one labeled base.
Hope that helps 👍
Gutted for you bud
Funny what a bit of marketing can do it looked really different in some of the vids but next to the old one it looks pretty much the same
I’d be trying to get in touch with either iwata or whoever sold you the gun and say it’s faulty as it’s the same
Yeah, the thought had occurred to me, I'm in the process of trying it with different clears and projects and will see how it goes 👍
Nice one pete is that you digital version I seen one on ebay is that the base coat gun or the clear
Hi Andrew, it's the clear gun, i didn't want the digital version because it looks like a lot of faffing around with the removable gauge, just waiting to leak i would think
Un saludos desde Latinoamérica agradecería la traducción a español para entender las variantes gracias
Hola Yulian, lo siento, no hablo español pero deberías poder activar los subtítulos de RUclips para ayudarte a entender lo que estoy diciendo, saludos desde el Reino Unido.
Hey there pete...question is the new version share the same size adapter for the cup
Hi Carlos, Do you mean for the PPS type cup? , if so, then yes, they use the same adapter 👍
In my opinion it depends on whether we are using VHS, HS or MS Clar. And when that happens, I lower the pressure, and that's fine.
Hi Krzysztof, yes, i would agree, the viscosity of a material very much influences the spray pattern, that's why manufacturers give viscosity rates for there guns to be used with, the point with this though was the manufacturer had claimed that the quirky nature of this gun had been cured when to me it seems no different
@@peteshobbies5383 You are right. Manufacturers always have to say that the new model is better than the previous one. We have to be prepared that Iwata WS-400 series3 will be much better than series2😉
How true my friend, how true 👍
Hi Pete, thanks for the review ! have you made sure when u tighten the fluid tip it looks like a + from the horns ? as they were raving about that on their informational videos, I am yet to try this on my old ws-400's.
Hi buddy, I'm not sure what you mean, i tightened the tip as you would normally do the set the air horns to 90° left and right from the top of the gun, am i missing something?
@@peteshobbies5383 hi Pete, it's the slits in the nozzle apparently they should be alligned to the horns of the aircap like a +.
Arh, ok, i know what you mean now, sorry, I was being a bit slow, actually they do, none of the other 4 split nozzle guns i have do though so why it matters on this i don't know, after all that part is more or less none adjustable, if both tip and cap are tight and they don't line up there is nothing you can do apart from put the air horns at an angle
@@peteshobbies5383 I noticed on my ws400 I can get it to line up just about but needed to be a touch tighter than it was previously, havnt got around to trying it yet though ! can't really see what differenxe it will make though ! if interested it's on their new ws400 series 2 video on their RUclips channel. Just can't believe the false advertising on the new gun so dissapointed !
Thanks, I'll have a look 👍
I was really considering the series 2 but after this video not gonna waste my time when there's nothing wrong with the finish of my current ws400. Out of the box ready to use my ass 😅
Hi buddy, I have a follow up video which will be today or tomorrow, so don't wright it off yet or the old one for that matter , cheers 👍
Hi, is there a conformity guarantee leaflet in the package?
Hi buddy, Yes, from Anest Iwata
What a downer. I was holding off on the DV1's since I'm an Iwata man but based on your findings I might as well go through and get the DV1's. This is very disappointing.
Hi Sataman, I was really surprised, you could probably hear it in my voice at the end, I genuinely thought it would be a nice consistent pattern with the fan wide open, after all they, in there promotional videos they are saying the problems with the original had been sorted in the new version but there is still separation there just like before.
Yes, a different clear coat will spray differently but a MS clear would separate more than in my video, a UHS less so
@@peteshobbies5383 you mean to tell me it took iwata nearly a decade to produce the same gun with minor cosmetic changes? And all anyone is really hoping for is for the fan to be consistent when running full fan? An entire decade really???
You should know that 1.4 fluid tip is too big for your clear coat. 1.3 or even 1.2 would be a better choice.I would use 1.4 for thick clear coats that have a viscosity above the 20s din4 standard.
Hi Andraz, this clear is a HS clear and can run perfectly well through a 1.4 tip , the TDS specifies 1.2 to 1.4
had me hart on this gun now its no way. using a SATA Jet x 5500RP at mo but want something new. any ideas ?
Hi buddy, what about the Porphis PRD717 ? , not expensive and very good
how did you get it before its release Pete! Really worth it? Or do you stay with version 1?
They are selling it for month at UK
Yes, they have been out a wile in the UK and the rest of Europe, as Walter says, since 1st June
They really claimed the pattern would be consistent, straight out of the box. It looks to be similar to the 1st series.
Yes Jeremy, i was left wondering what had changed, they are good guns once you get used to them, a bit slow but good but the pattern doesn't seem to have changed, it's doesn't notice as much on camera as it does to the eye, on full fan you can see more material top and bottom which goes, just like the old one, when you turn the fan in, very surprised
@@peteshobbies5383 Yes, I agree. I have the series 1 and it is a good gun for sure. Iwata had claimed in all their videos for the series 2 that that they had changed the pattern issue. Which does not seem true and is very disappointing
@automarx_uk well that is good to hear 👍
It's just weird because Pete's ws400 series 2 was definitely not a perfect spray pattern
@automarx_uk Hi buddy, out of interest, what clear do you use?
WOW I mean WOW that was a bombshell!! so they have bought out a new gun that is basically the same as the old one and they haven't fixed the fan pattern after all with the only big difference is they have added a digital gauge, are we being ripped off here with all the hype Pete! 😨🤷♂️
I've seen a few people say that it's a great gun and sprays better than the old WS400 but it has the same tip and air cap so how can it spray better, will be interesting to see your review on the series 2 when you use it in anger mate🙏👍
Hi John, yes I think we are having the wool pulled over our eyes a bit, I was genuinely surprised at what i saw, it's doesn't seem any different apart from a few style changes, more or less the same gun, it's good, of that there's no doubt because the original is, I like the quirky nature of it, they are great once you know how to set them up.
I believe often people, when asked about something they have paid £550 for will say "brilliant gun" because they feel silly if they had bought a pile of rubbish, that's not to say the new gun is rubbish because it certainly not but i can't see it being much different to the old one
All the hype about it with the videos stating they have listened to feedback from the customers and the fan issue from the old gun has now been fixed but looking at your video it's obvious that it hasn't 🤦♂️
There is no doubt that it's a great gun as it's pretty much the same as the old one but Iwata made all these bold statements that it was a big step up for spray guns but is it!!🤔 From what I've seen you are better off buying the old version, I don't know what to say mate but I'm looking forward to your review👍
Exactly John, better off with the old one, as you say, it's basically the same tip, cap and needle is more or less the same body, not much is different.
I was really surprised when i saw the pattern as it looks the same as the old one, very odd
You should send it back for a refund Pete as it's false advertising, you should also post this video in a well known FB group that we are both in🤔
@@JohnWD40TC02 The thought had occurred to me re sending it back , one chap in the comments was saying in some promotional stuff they were saying the splits on the nozzle should be at 12 o'clock and 3, 6 and 9 o'clock to the front airhorns, checking mine, with the tip tight they are , having said that the Wider4L doesn't and that has a 4 split nozzle and the older WS400, LS400 and WS400 OBS don't line up either, then of course, what do you do with the 3 split nozzle?, I'm in the process of using it for some projects so will see how it does, cheers mate 👍
Thank you Pete. Really nothing better.... Just different parts.... The worst upgrade ever!!!!
I'm guessing the new gun comes with 2 turns in on pattern built in. Nevermind.
Yes, I was quite surprised to see it's more or less the same as before, it's not a problem if you know what to do but we are told this had been addressed, obviously not
@@peteshobbies5383 I'm not sure why the wbx or orange cap gun isn't a much better value and possibly a better gun?
Try it 2 1/2 turns out on the fan at 26 psi.
Hi Mark, I normally use the old one at 29psi, 1 3/4 to 2 1/2 turns out on fan and full fluid with good results, i have since found the answer and will be putting a video up today 👍
Can't wait for the next video
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Thanks buddy 🙏
@@peteshobbies5383 you're always very most welcome Buddy 😍 ☺️ 😍
Thank you 😊
@@peteshobbies5383 😍😍😍
Wow all that hype and the fan pattern is the same 😂,how is the pricing in the uk? Here in Canada the series 1 are more expensive than the new SATA
Hi Tyler, the Series 2 is equivalent to $860 Canadian, that's the none digital, the digital is another $160 Canadian, i thought i would give the digital a miss as its detachable and looks like a problem waiting to happen
It's more than i paid for my Sata X5500 in fact in the UK
@@peteshobbies5383 interesting, I’ll be following this comment section to see if iwata responds to this