Yah RUclips destroys sky and Freeview for 90% of the show's and channels because there's always something good on and it cost the viewers nothing and the maker's get paid hope I spelled maker's right.
TV is soo dated at this point. You can find any movie or TV show you want on the internet for free (other than the cost of the internet bill and your device) and with no annoying commercials because there is something called an adblocker.
I know you guys like doing more "stock" vehicles for your offroad tests, especially the tires. For some of us non hardcore offroaders, I'd be interested in seeing some shows with stock vs true AT tires installed to showcase how tires can make a difference.
@@jabroni6199 And if we accept that people buy crossovers in part because they like to think they could go off road (otherwise, why not just buy a hatchback?), and that these bazillion identical mid-sized crossovers kind of ARE the car market right now, then you could argue that these tests are relevant and contextually important.
I never heard Kia claim this Sorento was made with offroading in mind. It can handle rough terrains as an AWD but don't expect a performance of a core 4x4.
@necroona97 never heard anyone, including mechanics, mention a massive cost increase to maintaining dual clutches. They are outright more expensive to (re)build, but their maitience is pretty similar. As for the fuel economy, it's noticeable enough to where it's worth the extra cost to the Koreans, that should mean something.
@@74beeper97 As you can see they are taking a vehicle with LLR highway tires offroad and wondering why its spinning its wheels. So the trans was overheating because the clutch was fighting the brakes on the traction control system. If there were real lockers and offroad tires, it would be no different than driving a manual offroad, which is usually preferred by offroaders.
It’s a dual clutch FWD based AWD (on-demand clutch pack) crossover. My dad has a 2014 Sorento. Similar AWD but has a TC auto transmission with the “locker”. It goes thru mud and and dirt roads slightly more aggressive than truth. Nothing amazing but gets the job done. Good for your “everyday” off-roading and is honestly all that Sorento buyers ever need.
Keep doing what you do with these crossovers. This is what separates you from the majority of other automotive publications; you're not afraid to push the vehicles off-road. 👍
I feel like a vehicle this size, would be more useful, if they removed the 3rd row seats altogether and made a bigger cargo area. Average US family size is 3.14, South Korean family size is 2.4 people. We don't need a third row that is going to stay folded down and take up space that otherwise could be used for groceries and gear.
Thanks, this video is helpful to me and I got an idea that X-line package should have OFF-road tires to come out because if tires are good for off-roading the transmission wouldn't be overheated there.
@@oldshowfanatic77 true, but why are manufacturers putting them in "off road" touted vehicles then? I like that they take these things off road because it shows the buyer what to expect in the real world... You get in this and it can look very comparable to say an explorer or highlander, it's even got an "off roady" locking center diff. Reviews like this help show that it's really just a lifted street car meant for snow, not mud... Just because a regular viewer like me and you knows what the outcome will be, doesn't mean others won't... Every other big suv has always had a torque converter and it's never been a thing to worry about.
So why having awd, center diff lock, and increased ground clearance? All crossovers should be tested off-road as TFL does, since they have awd and some ground clearance.
@ if it is for snow, take a fwd wagon or van and put on winter tires, this combination works very well for decades. Awd adds extra weight, and increased ground clearance worsens highway fuel economy. These are justified only if you take it for some ( light) off-roading, not just for snow
Two things about Hyundai/Kias that really stand out in multiple reviews: 1) FWD models can't put the power down well. 2) Dual clutch transmissions hate off roading.
Aside from the incorrect tyres (tires) try reducing the pressure. The vehicle isn't really designed for those conditions. If that is the toughest track you encounter, trying coming to Australia. The other thing is momentum, stop starting the way you did it is highly unlikely to get anywhere much. As a qualified Driver Trainer, I find that your techniques leave a lot to be desired.
Those from 2003 to 2009 were built on a truck chassis with rear wheel drive VS todays front wheel and had a steel skid protector, sometimes miss those days.
@@freerider604 no the problem is the transmission the previous one was a traditional torque converter compared to the new one which is dct. Dct is good on road but it is shit in towing and offroad.
I’m sure logistically, it’s easy to say it sitting here at home...but it would have been nice for you guys to have a Grand Cherokee or Renegade or Crosstrek to compare at the same time. Keep up the great work though.
@@MrKozanitis So we can compare? Great, the Sorento isn't stellar at offroad. Still would like to see how much of a difference it is from my current Forester. As they said in the video, the camera flattens everything and makes it look easy, so I can't really compare this video to places I've taken my Forester.
I'm sorry but tires would make all the difference here. And you have traction control on when trying to do a hill climb? The AWD system may be up to the task, but Wranglers don't come with 20" wheels with touring tires for a reason.
That's interesting, here in Canada, our X-Line is a full blown trim with a suspension lift, and ALL our Sorentos are AWD and have the offroad modes. So neat to see the differences country to country
I would be really interested to know the actual difference in suspension parts n wheel n tire choices. If you ever have a chance do you think you could share any links to parts? Probably only included through dealership parts website
Good job in not blowing smoke up people’s backsides. Settled on the new Ranger thanks to your reviews and after a year and a half I found them accurate. Don’t change how you review.
Quality vehicle the fact that it did what you asked it do even though it wasn't designed for that speaks volumes and the fact that the shoes were terrible for that even more
I actually bought the new 21 X-Line. Your review is very miss leading. No one will actually take there vehicle “off-road” without preparing for it, even the basis of an AT tire set up. Additionally something you really missed the mark on: Yes your not buying a Cherokee or Wrangler, but you are getting a third row for larger families, ability to handle harsh weather conditions, oh and a true auto lane assist with adaptive cruise control.. which you don’t get this in any other type of SUV. Plus all the other amazing features. Being a dad of three this was the exact SUV I was looking for even after looking at Jeep, Subaru, and even looking at the demo Branco. Has all the bells and whistles you could ask for and still an AWD.
It is not made for that. Im sure it's an awesome vehicle for daily driving in snowy conditions, with the occasional dirt/fire road to the trail or lake. Wrong tool for the job here.
Sorentos in other countries (e.g. Australia) have various off-road terrain modes (it's funny I always wondered why they bothered to include a snow mode). Also I think outside of the US memory seats are standard. And here in JA only the turbo diesel is offered.
I love the TFL content and editing style it’s fantastic. Honest reviews straight from a good group of guys. As a Denver native and Thornton CO resident I sure am proud of my Boulder CO TFL boys
I feel like you need to make another video with more tests on this amazing car. I ve seen other videos testing off road and the dual clutch didn't overheat. In a video made by KIA they said you should lock the 4wheel drive only if you are stuck. Maybe that is what overheated the system?
Certainly an interesting video, not quite sure how you overheated that gearbox. I just recently did some back-roads in Virgin UT this weekend with my 2021 and didn't have any issues as I was driving in manual mode with center-lock on. The roads looked worse then this video. Stock tires on these are a joke but they are looking to sell to the masses (comfy hwy driving).
Worst vehicle I ever purchased was a KIA Sorrento. While it actually was surprisingly capable off road with the solid rear axle and Eaton limited slip with a low range, it was plagued with electrical issues from Cam and crank position sensors failing to lights and door locks failing etc etc to finally at 85k having the rear end bearings going out. Worst part was they would not cover a single issue under warranty. I would never recommend or purchase another vehicle made by KIA again.
These newer Kias really aren't capable off road due to the nature of a DCT and the constant trans "slipping" which will lead to overheating. The last gen Sorento with the traditional 8-speed trans and Dynamax AWD system was actually surprisingly capable.
This video reminds me exactly why i kept my 2004 Kia Sorento with the V6, 4x4 and manual transmission. I just put it on first gear, 4x4 Low, release the clutch and i let it do the work.
@@RunGSD True! There is a difference; nonetheless, they did it to show the Sorento has "off road 'cred'". Also, the Sorento they used was modified, not stock.
We are looking at the Sorento for my wife, would like to see it tested on gravel/snow/sand etc. Clearly not a great option for the more technical but wondering the quality of AWD system. I used to own an Outback and loved it! Pulled a Hummer H2 out of deep sand with it once..dude was oblivious on how to offroad😎
Bought one yesterday (2/6/21). Found some snow and icy patches here in Indiana. Did very well. Just ease on the throttle and off we went. The engine is almost too peppy for its own good, but did fine. We have an EX so also go 18" wheels with better tires. Just left it in eco too.
My family Has a 2018 and it's great for family hauling. Live in Canada and it handles the snow better than my old ram 1500. I pull a 4500lb boat with it as well. It's not meant to do what they are testing in this video.
Seems like it would make a perfectly fine "wifemobile" and daily driver. It's got the ground clearance for snowy roads and the locking center diff is another great option for snow. It's clearly setup for the street which their review was showing. If your sand driving will be occasional and you won't be creeping along slowly in it a lot (due to the dual clutch needing to slip it's clutch) then i say it looks like a great value. Although i'd have a hard time recommending a kia over another subaru if you'll be keeping it long term.
I took a 08 Chevy impala off-road an it did surprisingly well it made it up a mountain I’m not sure of the elevation or slope but I made it up a super rocky very very steep hill in a Impala I was very shocked it made it.
Love the mention of the Jeep Grand Cherokee at 07:00, we have a 2017 Trailhawk and it is great. Hope the WL Grand Cherokee retains its off-road chops and gets 4xe (PHEV).
Still one of the best new cars buy in 2020, according to a LOT of others reviewers/car channels, regardless of offroad capabilities, which you shouldn't complain about anyhow, since you're not shopping in the right segment
Like you guys mentioned, is an appearance package. It was pretty remarkable that it made up truth with those tires. Even though they are all seasons, maybe try deflating the tires a bit.
Very odd specification. My UK spec diesel Sorento has a good selection of off-road modes by pressing that centre button and turning. Without pressing the button it gives a choice of Smart, Sport and Eco and Comfort. After pressing the button it changes to a choice of Snow Mud or Sand. Obviously a DSG, which is basically a mechanical synchromesh gearbox with clutch, without low range, is limited in its climbing ability because it just won't go slow enough without slipping the clutch. That is why I have a Ford Ranger pickup as an alternative for serious work and a selection of tractors for when the going gets really serious. Plus a Honda 420 quad bike which treads lightly and can go where none of the others can. Each a tool for a different set of jobs. While I do use the 4wd cars on my farm, I avoid obstacles with them rather than challenge them. Same with all vehicles really. My aim is not to get stuck and not to make a mess in the mud or churn turf up if possible because to me, grass equals income.
@TFLoffroad - Have you done a video of the Telluride up Tombstone yet? Would want to see how that compares after seeing the Sorento fail and especially after seeing the FJ vs Defender video as benchmark.
I would be really interested in seeing this. Though the 20in wheels on the SX trim are not going to do well. Wonder if they would try one of the lower trims
@@therealprofessorp6237 some really low profile all seasons which are more suited for the warmer seasons in my opinion. Michelin primacy tours to be specific
@@danielboyd7810 Tirerack has some AT options. Spec for the Telluride is 245/5020 which has quite a few choices. PS - I have a 2020 Defender that is near identical to TFL one with rear locker but without third row. Have yet to drive a Telluride but was a contender for me except I didn't want third row. www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?tireIndex=0&autoMake=Kia&autoYear=2021&autoModel=Telluride+AWD&autoModClar=SX&width=245%2F&ratio=50&diameter=20&sortCode=59938&skipOver=true&minSpeedRating=H&minLoadRating=S
@@therealprofessorp6237 No doubt. I plan to get a set of AT for it soon. TFL usually just sticks with the stock set up they get from the dealerships though so these tests usually say more about the tires it's sold with than the vehicle capability. Hopefully they do the test anyway though.
Plus, with not only being in the wrong AWD mode setting. If this thing had proper tires instead of the crappy OEM's. I wonder how that would have factored in. Proper tires for these kinds of conditions seem to make all the difference in these AWD crossover's.
I wish you would throw some A/T tires on there and try it again. I have an F-150 with Bridgestone Dueler revo 3 tires and the difference between those and the stock factory tires is so different, this reminded me of that.
Well! I'm sorry if you are butt hurt. But i saw a VW Atlas doing the same test and it crawled like an offroader uphill, maybe it was some other guy who did it, you will find it on RUclips search it and as far as I remember it was the same exact trail. It clearly shows that why AWD system of Hyundai group is trash against VAG.
The old original 1st gen Sorento was also available with a V6 and a manual transmission. I knew someone who was obsessed with manuals and had a V6, 4x4, manual trans Sorento. Finally got rid of it when their health started failing and electrical gremlins started to pop up in the Sorento.
I had a ‘19 Sorento V6 and it did extremely well in very similar conditions. So well, in fact, it made it up a hill my 4-Runner couldn’t because the Toyota’s 4WD couldn’t figure out how to get traction with only one wheel on the ground. I was blown away. So either the dual clutch is killing this new model, or the tires. Also, you have to have some momentum in off-roading unless you have a crawl mode. So why were you guys crawling in a vehicle that doesn’t have crawl and likely all season tires? Momentum and better tires would have also likely changed these results. Either way, the Sorento isn’t meant to be a heavy off-reader. I was just surprised my ‘19 could so well. I wish the new one was able to.
@@bradleyscarreviews Here you are again.Instead of responding to everyone who says something negative about a KIA I think you should try to get more subscribers for your car review channel.You joined 3 years ago & only have 65 subs,you’ve got to be open to criticism in this car life,don’t catch feelings over a Kia of all vehicles.
It's a family car not offroad, they didn't put offroad option inside; you are installing street tires which absolutely will not have the right traction in offroads
My 2011 Sorento SX 3.5L V6 AWD would tackle this. I take mine up into the Blue Hill Reservations on steep, rocky inclines and it handles fine. Mine has the traditional Kia Sportmatic 6- speed transmission. Takes off like a rocket. If you want a Sorento I recommend 2011-2015 V6 ONLY Sorentos. GDi engines= too many issues. Same with these new transmissions. They’re not built or designed the ways the older 6 speeds were. If anyone’s interested I’m thinking about making some off roading videos with mine to show :)
Nice to know what the customer is and ain't getting. Good thing for KIA that probably not many folks are getting a Sorento with this in mind. Still it's good to know not to try anything beyond a dirt road. I'm wondering how well it would do in bad weather. It's not a bad looking car.
Diff locks don’t distribute power 50/50. They send torque to the wheel (or axle for center diff lock) with the traction. . ie, lift a wheel and all the torque flows to the wheel on the ground. . Open diffs distribute torque 50/50. Lift a wheel and the one on the ground gets the same torque as the one in the air, which is zero. A torsen builds off that with helical gears that can proportionally lock up so they send multiples of torque.
$44,000 good value? Heck, I'd rather spend just a tad bit more ($45,650) and get a brand new JGC Trailhawk equally, if not much better, equipped! Same on-road performance (ok, minus the almost useless third-row seat) PLUS the best off-road performance (Wranglers excluded)!
Hyundai/Kia is overplaying everything (looks, features,warranty) just to compete with the Japanese but it isn't there yet It may take some time before people realize it
Half the 4x4s out there would overheat on a steep hill with road tires spinning like that. Not a good test without A/Ts. Tires are 60% of off roading ability of a vehicle.
Its not crawl control, its downhill ascent control. May require cruise control to be on as it reads like its for highway speed control going downhill, not slow off road
This really makes me glad that I got the 2019 Hyundai Tucson with the traditional automatic transmission with the torque converter. I wish it had more torque than the 2.4L NA motor does, but it gets me going. I changed the tires to a proper SUV tire from stock since I got the sport model and the damn thing is unstoppable. I have taken it through the mountains similar to what this one is failing to do and through 12+ inches of snow and I couldn't get the damn thing stuck. IDK maybe I got lucky.
@@alexcovaci5085 for sure, it almost seems as if they picked this model on purpose knowing that the transmission would overheat while off-road. Any dual clutch transmission would overheat off-road because they don't have torque converters. I'm just saying there were models of hyundai that had traditional automatic transmissions with torque converters. That's why I bought my year model but I just wish they kept the 1.6L with the turbo for that extra torque from the engine it needs. However, my transmission has never overheated even this year with the many snow storms I had. Many donuts in the snow as well so I don't baby the thing lol.
I’ve got a Kia Seltos with DCT and live in the mountains on narrow roads with mixed pavement types, and it handles the deep snow just fine at 6000ft. I was able to plow through up to 10” of snow and and poorly plowed roads with giant divots like a champ on the stock tires and no traction devices. I would even say the way it launches on a slick hill at a dead stop was smoother than any Subaru I’ve driven. It’s like it was born to drive in the snow. I’ve never had an issue with the transmission overheating, not once. This test is not the kind driving it was designed for and it feels a little like you designed a test you knew it couldn’t do. That is not a real world test for what it was made for. It’s not designed for slow crawling up a steep hill like a vehicle with a true transfer case. You would have poor results with most vehicles on that tire. Sorry but it feels like a hit piece.
Yeah those skid plates are hell sometimes when you put them on. There’s a hole right in the middle of the frame you have to shoot a screw through for it to stay up but you can’t see where you’re shooting so you’re just hoping you hit it lol
The first gens are amazing vehicles. I rented one about 12 years ago and other than the seat being crappy, it drove nice, had plenty of power and the 4x4 worked well. I live in Alaska and needed an extra vehicle while my mother was visiting. I would totally buy one as a winter/beach vehicle without hesitation.
Yeah DCT’s are more of a pain than CVT’s when put under strenuous tasks. DCT great for on road driving not so good off-road. At least most CVT you can dislike their performance but can get the job done without major overheating and burnt clutch smell. Lol
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All TFL content is better than anything on cable TV! I watch almost all episodes from all the channels!
Agree. TFL has replaced my morning TV shows while I eat breakfast.
Straight facts, I’ve been watching since the BRZ 0-60 video that had to be a long time ago
I second and third that
Yah RUclips destroys sky and Freeview for 90% of the show's and channels because there's always something good on and it cost the viewers nothing and the maker's get paid hope I spelled maker's right.
TV is soo dated at this point. You can find any movie or TV show you want on the internet for free (other than the cost of the internet bill and your device) and with no annoying commercials because there is something called an adblocker.
I know you guys like doing more "stock" vehicles for your offroad tests, especially the tires. For some of us non hardcore offroaders, I'd be interested in seeing some shows with stock vs true AT tires installed to showcase how tires can make a difference.
Totally agree!
AWESOME IDEA!
I've always wanted to know the same with the 2017 CR-V. What if it had an 1.5" lift and A/T tires? Would the vehicle have passed their test?
Wouldn’t matter much. These vehicles aren’t meant for this.
Highly agree
Most AWD systems aren't really meant for offroading. Their real use is for icy roads.
Scrolling through most recent videos on TFLoffroad: TRX, Raptor, 4Runner, GX, FJ.... Sorento! 😂😂🤣
Testing these AWD family movers off-road is what made TFL as popular as it is today. No one else was doing these tests.
@@jabroni6199 And if we accept that people buy crossovers in part because they like to think they could go off road (otherwise, why not just buy a hatchback?), and that these bazillion identical mid-sized crossovers kind of ARE the car market right now, then you could argue that these tests are relevant and contextually important.
I never heard Kia claim this Sorento was made with offroading in mind. It can handle rough terrains as an AWD but don't expect a performance of a core 4x4.
Soooo WELL said, Elean, why everybody expects otherwise, i really don't get it..
Kia: puts plastic covers under the car like very other company
Andre: wow look at these composite skid plates 😂😂😂
Funniest scene on the vid 🤣
Yeah that one made me chuckle.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around a Kia family hauler having a dual clutch.... Very interesting results
they use dual clutches for fuel economy since torque converters usually lose you about 3-5% mpg
@shamp00p 200hp?😂
@necroona97 never heard anyone, including mechanics, mention a massive cost increase to maintaining dual clutches. They are outright more expensive to (re)build, but their maitience is pretty similar. As for the fuel economy, it's noticeable enough to where it's worth the extra cost to the Koreans, that should mean something.
As you can see in the video, the dual clutch is not working so great.
@@74beeper97 As you can see they are taking a vehicle with LLR highway tires offroad and wondering why its spinning its wheels. So the trans was overheating because the clutch was fighting the brakes on the traction control system. If there were real lockers and offroad tires, it would be no different than driving a manual offroad, which is usually preferred by offroaders.
I love these off road tests. Especially when they struggle
Fun to watch🙂
Literally was headed to the Kia dealer and thought “let me watch some reviews” and bam TFL literally shows up saying posted 12 hrs ago! 😇🙏🏻
It’s a dual clutch FWD based AWD (on-demand clutch pack) crossover. My dad has a 2014 Sorento. Similar AWD but has a TC auto transmission with the “locker”. It goes thru mud and and dirt roads slightly more aggressive than truth. Nothing amazing but gets the job done. Good for your “everyday” off-roading and is honestly all that Sorento buyers ever need.
Keep doing what you do with these crossovers. This is what separates you from the majority of other automotive publications; you're not afraid to push the vehicles off-road. 👍
"this third row may better be suited for kids or small primates"😂😂😂😂😂
He forgot to include mother inlaws. Or maybe he got in trouble the last time he did.
@@tritchie6272 lol
I feel like a vehicle this size, would be more useful, if they removed the 3rd row seats altogether and made a bigger cargo area. Average US family size is 3.14, South Korean family size is 2.4 people. We don't need a third row that is going to stay folded down and take up space that otherwise could be used for groceries and gear.
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze well said
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze Probably installed for those that want an emergency 3rd row,or tax reasons.
Thanks, this video is helpful to me and I got an idea that X-line package should have OFF-road tires to come out because if tires are good for off-roading the transmission wouldn't be overheated there.
An “X” on something used to mean “DON’T” or “NOT”. Maybe this is Kia telling us DON’T take this off road.
Yeah, dual clutch on an "off road" vehicle... That is a huge "don't".
100%
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They kill me taking dual clutches off road. They're not meant for that.
@@oldshowfanatic77 true, but why are manufacturers putting them in "off road" touted vehicles then? I like that they take these things off road because it shows the buyer what to expect in the real world... You get in this and it can look very comparable to say an explorer or highlander, it's even got an "off roady" locking center diff. Reviews like this help show that it's really just a lifted street car meant for snow, not mud... Just because a regular viewer like me and you knows what the outcome will be, doesn't mean others won't... Every other big suv has always had a torque converter and it's never been a thing to worry about.
Might as well try taking a Forte or Elantra off-road . The Sorento is a nice ride meant only for the asphalt 😊
So why having awd, center diff lock, and increased ground clearance? All crossovers should be tested off-road as TFL does, since they have awd and some ground clearance.
@ if it is for snow, take a fwd wagon or van and put on winter tires, this combination works very well for decades. Awd adds extra weight, and increased ground clearance worsens highway fuel economy. These are justified only if you take it for some ( light) off-roading, not just for snow
@@giolats8179 AWD will still outpace a FWD van or wagon when comparably equipped.
Two things about Hyundai/Kias that really stand out in multiple reviews:
1) FWD models can't put the power down well.
2) Dual clutch transmissions hate off roading.
But it’s a dual clutch anyways. What do you expect. And why do you have to mention the fwd models? What does that have to do with this video?
Huh?
That dual clutch hates being in traffic too. It will give you the same heating warning I have tried it you should too.
@@shivamthakur8148 no it won’t. That was there old dry clutches.
My 15 Sonata needs more power. But my moms brand new santa fe can get up and go
You should bring Andre's dad's old Sorrento out here and show what the difference is in off-road capability of the two.
Aside from the incorrect tyres (tires) try reducing the pressure. The vehicle isn't really designed for those conditions. If that is the toughest track you encounter, trying coming to Australia. The other thing is momentum, stop starting the way you did it is highly unlikely to get anywhere much.
As a qualified Driver Trainer, I find that your techniques leave a lot to be desired.
i think they do that for dramatic purposes
Yeah those trails are a lot steeper than they appear on camera, the cameras just dont do it justice.
My kid has an older Sorento. It does pretty well off-road. Low range and whatnot. But, like most things these days, it is no longer built like it was.
Those from 2003 to 2009 were built on a truck chassis with rear wheel drive VS todays front wheel and had a steel skid protector, sometimes miss those days.
@@yourtube4423 I agree. We had an 95 Pilot that did just fine for us. The new pilots I wouldn't take on a dirt road. Lol
Take Andre’s father Sorento to Dare! I like that old fashioned SUV, cause my father has one too! 😍
I still have the 2007 3.5v6. it beats a Mercedes ML of same year
Please do the PHEV version of this car!
With this vehicle: off-road means a parking lot at the mall. 🙄
Yeah pretty sad considering the previous gen sorento successfully climb hell's gate in moab with only offroad tires.
Or as someone else said here...on the hoist at the dealership for repairs. That dual clutch might be like Fords dual clutch lawsuit transmission.
Exactly right
@@evoemperor3776 yea wtf- did they change the 4WD system?
@@freerider604 no the problem is the transmission the previous one was a traditional torque converter compared to the new one which is dct. Dct is good on road but it is shit in towing and offroad.
I’m sure logistically, it’s easy to say it sitting here at home...but it would have been nice for you guys to have a Grand Cherokee or Renegade or Crosstrek to compare at the same time. Keep up the great work though.
Steve Kramer why? Don't we all know already the outcome(s)? I am certain even a JGC Laredo, 2x4 can do better!
@@MrKozanitis entertainment value. But I can’t disagree.
Steve Kramer Ok...I can't disagree with you about entertainment value, but I don't think that is the goal of TFLs reviews! Stay safe.
@@MrKozanitis So we can compare? Great, the Sorento isn't stellar at offroad. Still would like to see how much of a difference it is from my current Forester. As they said in the video, the camera flattens everything and makes it look easy, so I can't really compare this video to places I've taken my Forester.
I'm sorry but tires would make all the difference here. And you have traction control on when trying to do a hill climb? The AWD system may be up to the task, but Wranglers don't come with 20" wheels with touring tires for a reason.
It would be REALLY interesting to see what the difference would be with 17in rims and ALL Terrain tires.
Those moronis wouldn’t do that Bc they pare paid off
Smart mode for off road? I'd use sport for the initial power at the beginning.
The fact that it has no off-road mode should be a clue to its off-road capabilities.
That's interesting, here in Canada, our X-Line is a full blown trim with a suspension lift, and ALL our Sorentos are AWD and have the offroad modes. So neat to see the differences country to country
I would be really interested to know the actual difference in suspension parts n wheel n tire choices. If you ever have a chance do you think you could share any links to parts? Probably only included through dealership parts website
With those tires what do you expect. Get the right tires and do it again.
Good job in not blowing smoke up people’s backsides. Settled on the new Ranger thanks to your reviews and after a year and a half I found them accurate. Don’t change how you review.
Quality vehicle the fact that it did what you asked it do even though it wasn't designed for that speaks volumes and the fact that the shoes were terrible for that even more
I actually bought the new 21 X-Line. Your review is very miss leading. No one will actually take there vehicle “off-road” without preparing for it, even the basis of an AT tire set up. Additionally something you really missed the mark on: Yes your not buying a Cherokee or Wrangler, but you are getting a third row for larger families, ability to handle harsh weather conditions, oh and a true auto lane assist with adaptive cruise control.. which you don’t get this in any other type of SUV. Plus all the other amazing features. Being a dad of three this was the exact SUV I was looking for even after looking at Jeep, Subaru, and even looking at the demo Branco. Has all the bells and whistles you could ask for and still an AWD.
This is not a 'review'. It's literally an off-roading video.
I love this channel. But this must be the first time that Andre ever drove a vehicle.
Expected and Disappointed, the dual clutch over heating 👎 but still better SUV than Ford Escape or Chevy Equinox.
Regards.
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It is not made for that. Im sure it's an awesome vehicle for daily driving in snowy conditions, with the occasional dirt/fire road to the trail or lake. Wrong tool for the job here.
4Runner or GTFO
My 2.0T Escape has no issues in Colorado...
KIA like to advertise these things on dirt roads like it's some kind of badass offroader.
Sorentos in other countries (e.g. Australia) have various off-road terrain modes (it's funny I always wondered why they bothered to include a snow mode). Also I think outside of the US memory seats are standard. And here in JA only the turbo diesel is offered.
Soon as you said dual clutch I knew the outcome
i think it's more "dual-crutch" when you take it to a hill like that.
Iam pretty sure they knew that,,they did that for views for those who doesn’t know crap about off-roading
dual clutch and cvt transmissions are garbage off-road.
I own a 2005 kia sorento with a 4wd mode and it works amazing, mine also has the additional 2in lift kit on 33" tires and it does great off road
I love the TFL content and editing style it’s fantastic. Honest reviews straight from a good group of guys. As a Denver native and Thornton CO resident I sure am proud of my Boulder CO TFL boys
I feel like you need to make another video with more tests on this amazing car. I ve seen other videos testing off road and the dual clutch didn't overheat.
In a video made by KIA they said you should lock the 4wheel drive only if you are stuck. Maybe that is what overheated the system?
Certainly an interesting video, not quite sure how you overheated that gearbox. I just recently did some back-roads in Virgin UT this weekend with my 2021 and didn't have any issues as I was driving in manual mode with center-lock on. The roads looked worse then this video. Stock tires on these are a joke but they are looking to sell to the masses (comfy hwy driving).
Love the honest reviews guys!
You gotta test the 8 speed auto
Worst vehicle I ever purchased was a KIA Sorrento. While it actually was surprisingly capable off road with the solid rear axle and Eaton limited slip with a low range, it was plagued with electrical issues from Cam and crank position sensors failing to lights and door locks failing etc etc to finally at 85k having the rear end bearings going out. Worst part was they would not cover a single issue under warranty. I would never recommend or purchase another vehicle made by KIA again.
Does anyone buy these and think they are actually made to be used off road? Its a station wagon with a lift
These newer Kias really aren't capable off road due to the nature of a DCT and the constant trans "slipping" which will lead to overheating.
The last gen Sorento with the traditional 8-speed trans and Dynamax AWD system was actually surprisingly capable.
Burro is a supremely worthy off-road animal!
This video reminds me exactly why i kept my 2004 Kia Sorento with the V6, 4x4 and manual transmission. I just put it on first gear, 4x4 Low, release the clutch and i let it do the work.
Didn't Kia have an ad/video of the Sorento doing some crazy off road "tricks" in Moab to show it was an off road worthy vehicle?
Bare rock vs the loose dirt in this video
@@RunGSD True! There is a difference; nonetheless, they did it to show the Sorento has "off road 'cred'". Also, the Sorento they used was modified, not stock.
We are looking at the Sorento for my wife, would like to see it tested on gravel/snow/sand etc. Clearly not a great option for the more technical but wondering the quality of AWD system. I used to own an Outback and loved it! Pulled a Hummer H2 out of deep sand with it once..dude was oblivious on how to offroad😎
Bought one yesterday (2/6/21). Found some snow and icy patches here in Indiana. Did very well. Just ease on the throttle and off we went. The engine is almost too peppy for its own good, but did fine. We have an EX so also go 18" wheels with better tires. Just left it in eco too.
This is an unfair test because pretty much any car would struggle on those tires.
My family Has a 2018 and it's great for family hauling. Live in Canada and it handles the snow better than my old ram 1500. I pull a 4500lb boat with it as well. It's not meant to do what they are testing in this video.
Seems like it would make a perfectly fine "wifemobile" and daily driver. It's got the ground clearance for snowy roads and the locking center diff is another great option for snow. It's clearly setup for the street which their review was showing.
If your sand driving will be occasional and you won't be creeping along slowly in it a lot (due to the dual clutch needing to slip it's clutch) then i say it looks like a great value. Although i'd have a hard time recommending a kia over another subaru if you'll be keeping it long term.
I'm sure Tommy will do a slip test on this thing
Why in the hell did you have that in smart mode!!
Just to be dumb😉
I took a 08 Chevy impala off-road an it did surprisingly well it made it up a mountain I’m not sure of the elevation or slope but I made it up a super rocky very very steep hill in a Impala I was very shocked it made it.
I want to know how it does again a Rav4 trail or TRD off road
CVT's and Dual Clutch still proving lack of capability for off-roading!
yeah that is true but why on earth would you take this car off road???
At least the cvts made it up both side, the dual clutches have not.
Well yeah, of course. That's not what they're ultimately designed for.
Yes, but its a wet duel this time, much better than the old dry duel they were using.
My 15 forester disagrees
Love the mention of the Jeep Grand Cherokee at 07:00, we have a 2017 Trailhawk and it is great. Hope the WL Grand Cherokee retains its off-road chops and gets 4xe (PHEV).
Still one of the best new cars buy in 2020, according to a LOT of others reviewers/car channels, regardless of offroad capabilities, which you shouldn't complain about anyhow, since you're not shopping in the right segment
Like you guys mentioned, is an appearance package. It was pretty remarkable that it made up truth with those tires. Even though they are all seasons, maybe try deflating the tires a bit.
Very odd specification. My UK spec diesel Sorento has a good selection of off-road modes by pressing that centre button and turning. Without pressing the button it gives a choice of Smart, Sport and Eco and Comfort. After pressing the button it changes to a choice of Snow Mud or Sand.
Obviously a DSG, which is basically a mechanical synchromesh gearbox with clutch, without low range, is limited in its climbing ability because it just won't go slow enough without slipping the clutch. That is why I have a Ford Ranger pickup as an alternative for serious work and a selection of tractors for when the going gets really serious. Plus a Honda 420 quad bike which treads lightly and can go where none of the others can. Each a tool for a different set of jobs. While I do use the 4wd cars on my farm, I avoid obstacles with them rather than challenge them. Same with all vehicles really. My aim is not to get stuck and not to make a mess in the mud or churn turf up if possible because to me, grass equals income.
So well said, sir. Why giving the job of a lawn mower to a snow plow, i still don't get it
At around 4:00 you said "a Ram truck , it was Dodge back then" I think it's always been Dodge, Ram isn't the make it's the model, always has been.
@TFLoffroad - Have you done a video of the Telluride up Tombstone yet? Would want to see how that compares after seeing the Sorento fail and especially after seeing the FJ vs Defender video as benchmark.
I would be really interested in seeing this. Though the 20in wheels on the SX trim are not going to do well. Wonder if they would try one of the lower trims
@@danielboyd7810 The TFL Defender is on 20" wheels with Goodyear Wrangler AT tires. Not sure what tires the Telluride SX come with.
@@therealprofessorp6237 some really low profile all seasons which are more suited for the warmer seasons in my opinion. Michelin primacy tours to be specific
@@danielboyd7810 Tirerack has some AT options. Spec for the Telluride is 245/5020 which has quite a few choices. PS - I have a 2020 Defender that is near identical to TFL one with rear locker but without third row. Have yet to drive a Telluride but was a contender for me except I didn't want third row. www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?tireIndex=0&autoMake=Kia&autoYear=2021&autoModel=Telluride+AWD&autoModClar=SX&width=245%2F&ratio=50&diameter=20&sortCode=59938&skipOver=true&minSpeedRating=H&minLoadRating=S
@@therealprofessorp6237 No doubt. I plan to get a set of AT for it soon. TFL usually just sticks with the stock set up they get from the dealerships though so these tests usually say more about the tires it's sold with than the vehicle capability. Hopefully they do the test anyway though.
Maybe put some decent tires on it?
Plus, with not only being in the wrong AWD mode setting. If this thing had proper tires instead of the crappy OEM's. I wonder how that would have factored in. Proper tires for these kinds of conditions seem to make all the difference in these AWD crossover's.
You never tried it in the element it was built for...mall running...I'm betting it would be a beast whipping around abandoned shopping carts...
I wish you would throw some A/T tires on there and try it again. I have an F-150 with Bridgestone Dueler revo 3 tires and the difference between those and the stock factory tires is so different, this reminded me of that.
A lot of people are gonns be mad when they find our their 40k+ grocery getter of a ‘’SUV’’ can’t even climb a gravel hill 🤣
That’s not just a gravel hill, very steep, loose rock hill on poor tires for that application. The right tires would make it easy
@@sportshot2350 ouuuuu sounds scary!! Well here comes the atlas after getting the groceries.
@@sportshot2350 lol you're joking right? My nissan xterra could do that hill with bald tires in 2wd. That thing sucks and not meant for offroading.
@@jscott7432 go do it and film it
Well! I'm sorry if you are butt hurt. But i saw a VW Atlas doing the same test and it crawled like an offroader uphill, maybe it was some other guy who did it, you will find it on RUclips search it and as far as I remember it was the same exact trail. It clearly shows that why AWD system of Hyundai group is trash against VAG.
You should have put better tires on it to give it a better chance , any vehicle with bad tires might not do well .
You guys should do a before and after episode. First with stock tires and second with off road tires to see if shoes really do make a difference.
How about Billy Goat score? While it seems nice, that bad up a dirt road keeps it off my list.
Billy goat came to mind for me too.
6:40 I'd like to find this trail and try for myself! Is this trail public or private owned?
Public
You do have "off road" modes... You're supposed to push the dial in to pull them up... Maybe it would do better in the appropriate mode?
Tires make a lot of difference when off road
The biggest single difference -- by a wide margin -- regardless of drive system.
The old original 1st gen Sorento was also available with a V6 and a manual transmission.
I knew someone who was obsessed with manuals and had a V6, 4x4, manual trans Sorento. Finally got rid of it when their health started failing and electrical gremlins started to pop up in the Sorento.
In the Middle East we get the Sorento with a 3.5L V6 and an 8 speed torque converter transmission. Maybe that’ll be better off-road.
I had a ‘19 Sorento V6 and it did extremely well in very similar conditions. So well, in fact, it made it up a hill my 4-Runner couldn’t because the Toyota’s 4WD couldn’t figure out how to get traction with only one wheel on the ground. I was blown away. So either the dual clutch is killing this new model, or the tires. Also, you have to have some momentum in off-roading unless you have a crawl mode. So why were you guys crawling in a vehicle that doesn’t have crawl and likely all season tires? Momentum and better tires would have also likely changed these results. Either way, the Sorento isn’t meant to be a heavy off-reader. I was just surprised my ‘19 could so well. I wish the new one was able to.
Did you try the 4Runner's a-trac or crawl control on that hill?
When you want to make a great awd system look like crap put it in smart mode when off-road 👌
KIA Killing It Again
Really?
@@bradleyscarreviews Here you are again.Instead of responding to everyone who says something negative about a KIA I think you should try to get more subscribers for your car review channel.You joined 3 years ago & only have 65 subs,you’ve got to be open to criticism in this car life,don’t catch feelings over a Kia of all vehicles.
@@penvon we just owned Kia/Hyundai’s for many years. I just can’t stand it.
Was this filmed back before winter or has it been really dry in Colorado lately?
I enjoy the content but it annoys me that you never test these cars with real tyres! Mostly we just see how crap the tyres are!
It's a family car not offroad, they didn't put offroad option inside; you are installing street tires which absolutely will not have the right traction in offroads
My 2011 Sorento SX 3.5L V6 AWD would tackle this. I take mine up into the Blue Hill Reservations on steep, rocky inclines and it handles fine. Mine has the traditional Kia Sportmatic 6- speed transmission. Takes off like a rocket. If you want a Sorento I recommend 2011-2015 V6 ONLY Sorentos. GDi engines= too many issues. Same with these new transmissions. They’re not built or designed the ways the older 6 speeds were. If anyone’s interested I’m thinking about making some off roading videos with mine to show :)
Nice to know what the customer is and ain't getting. Good thing for KIA that probably not many folks are getting a Sorento with this in mind. Still it's good to know not to try anything beyond a dirt road. I'm wondering how well it would do in bad weather. It's not a bad looking car.
A rear locker, auto or push button would have been a cheap sure way of making it a lot better
Ok want to take my 2020 4RUNNER TRD Off Road on that trail... looks like fun.
Your 4runner would demolish that with ease bud.
A different animal. 4runners would eat this for snack
Diff locks don’t distribute power 50/50. They send torque to the wheel (or axle for center diff lock) with the traction.
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ie, lift a wheel and all the torque flows to the wheel on the ground.
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Open diffs distribute torque 50/50. Lift a wheel and the one on the ground gets the same torque as the one in the air, which is zero. A torsen builds off that with helical gears that can proportionally lock up so they send multiples of torque.
$44,000 good value? Heck, I'd rather spend just a tad bit more ($45,650) and get a brand new JGC Trailhawk equally, if not much better, equipped! Same on-road performance (ok, minus the almost useless third-row seat) PLUS the best off-road performance (Wranglers excluded)!
Hyundai/Kia is overplaying everything (looks, features,warranty) just to compete with the Japanese but it isn't there yet It may take some time before people realize it
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Are you guys stealing the odd ball rating/score from sarah-n-tuned??
Half the 4x4s out there would overheat on a steep hill with road tires spinning like that. Not a good test without A/Ts.
Tires are 60% of off roading ability of a vehicle.
Dual clutch transmission not recommended for off road use. That vehicle is for road use only.
No real offroad mode ... not sure on which trim line you get it, but there are versions which also have mud and sand mode besides snow mode
Here in Canada we have snow, mud and sand but no diff lock.
Put on the AT tire and learn to drive !! You can't even use the terrain switch. :) :)
Love this video. People think all unibody SUV's with AWD have the same capabilities, which obviously isn't the case.
Its not crawl control, its downhill ascent control. May require cruise control to be on as it reads like its for highway speed control going downhill, not slow off road
This really makes me glad that I got the 2019 Hyundai Tucson with the traditional automatic transmission with the torque converter. I wish it had more torque than the 2.4L NA motor does, but it gets me going. I changed the tires to a proper SUV tire from stock since I got the sport model and the damn thing is unstoppable. I have taken it through the mountains similar to what this one is failing to do and through 12+ inches of snow and I couldn't get the damn thing stuck. IDK maybe I got lucky.
Talking about not hating on the kia/hyundai because they did a great job, and now we NEED to belittle them in order for "domestics" to sell..
@@alexcovaci5085 for sure, it almost seems as if they picked this model on purpose knowing that the transmission would overheat while off-road. Any dual clutch transmission would overheat off-road because they don't have torque converters. I'm just saying there were models of hyundai that had traditional automatic transmissions with torque converters. That's why I bought my year model but I just wish they kept the 1.6L with the turbo for that extra torque from the engine it needs. However, my transmission has never overheated even this year with the many snow storms I had. Many donuts in the snow as well so I don't baby the thing lol.
@@UnholyMerlin1 so, nice try, TFL, but allow all of us NOT to BUY it. In one word,
BUSTED
I’ve got a Kia Seltos with DCT and live in the mountains on narrow roads with mixed pavement types, and it handles the deep snow just fine at 6000ft. I was able to plow through up to 10” of snow and and poorly plowed roads with giant divots like a champ on the stock tires and no traction devices. I would even say the way it launches on a slick hill at a dead stop was smoother than any Subaru I’ve driven. It’s like it was born to drive in the snow. I’ve never had an issue with the transmission overheating, not once. This test is not the kind driving it was designed for and it feels a little like you designed a test you knew it couldn’t do. That is not a real world test for what it was made for. It’s not designed for slow crawling up a steep hill like a vehicle with a true transfer case. You would have poor results with most vehicles on that tire. Sorry but it feels like a hit piece.
Yeah those skid plates are hell sometimes when you put them on. There’s a hole right in the middle of the frame you have to shoot a screw through for it to stay up but you can’t see where you’re shooting so you’re just hoping you hit it lol
I didn’t realize until this year that those first gen sorentos were frame bodies, but I guess that doesn’t necessarily make it a trd pro.
The first gens are amazing vehicles. I rented one about 12 years ago and other than the seat being crappy, it drove nice, had plenty of power and the 4x4 worked well. I live in Alaska and needed an extra vehicle while my mother was visiting. I would totally buy one as a winter/beach vehicle without hesitation.
Yeah DCT’s are more of a pain than CVT’s when put under strenuous tasks. DCT great for on road driving not so good off-road. At least most CVT you can dislike their performance but can get the job done without major overheating and burnt clutch smell. Lol
Feels odd to look outside in NC and see snow, and to watch one of your videos and see no snow. 🤷🏿♂️
Tires make all the difference !!!! Put the right tires on it then test it.
That why I am considering the 8 speed auto, with no turbo. Just a family hauler. It will lack power, but the 8 speed will smooth things out.
yeah, if you plan on off-roading at all, do not buy a vehicle with dct or cvt transmission. you are asking for problems.