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Roman is saving Tommy from rolling the Jeep and getting hurt. Tommy is saving Roman from having a heart attack over worrying about Tommy. That's how family works.
Tommy isn't a child anymore. If Tommy is confident and Roman is scared, why should he have to? Other than Roman owns the truck.. My wife doesn't like the harder 4 wheeling either, but she doesn't keep me from doing it.
@@krover01 Easy, because in addition to being his father, Roman owns the company, and how would that look if he let Tommy continue and roll it (EXTREMELY likely) and get seriously hurt or killed ON CAMERA? Cool that your wife doesn't push it and that you have the understanding with her that you make these decisions and she needs to respect that. NOT the dynamic with Roman and Tommy.
I go to my dad and say hey I tried this restaurant… your just wasting you money… this guy is a multi millionaire who goes to the food banks…. Scum to be honest
We don't know how much you could work with your father? What does that even mean? Of course we don't. We don't know you. And are you saying you could work with him a lot because you get along or you couldn't work with him at all because you don't get along?
I'm glad you didn't cut out the reality of deciding to call it a day for safety sake, and turn around. And the handling of both Tommy and Roman. Yall are great, I really like this Cheap Jeep series.
You're kidding, right? All I saw was a ton of made-up drama. I must have missed the "real" part. Come on guys, you're better than this. Loose the fake drama and just give us straight forward driving. You'll get a lot more respect even if you don't make it.
@donhappel9566 I don't think it was made up drama as much as Roman was scared, and Tommy thought he could keep going. Since Roman owns the truck. Tommy had no choice. It's too bad, because I enjoy seeing the harder trails, not a gravel rd.
@@donhappel9566 Just remember the only hill they go up is Pine Tree Hill" or something like that. So this is all new to them compared to the bunny hill trail they like
@@donhappel9566 Right! Because rolling a new Jeep and getting injured or killed on camera gets you more likes on FascistTube, and that's the important thing!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@krover01 Not only owns the truck, owns the BUSINESS, and how would that look if Roman let Tommy be reckless and get seriously hurt or killed and totaled a new Jeep ON CAMERA?
Even though the trip was cut short I think you successfully demonstrated the capability of the jeep even with the limitation of God awful tires. You successfully tackled obstacles the majority of jeeps built out or otherwise would never attempt. Didn’t have an easy time doing it, but to that point it did it.
Man takes street version of Wrangler on street tires to hard trail to prove you don’t need lockers, disconnecting sway bar and trail tires and proves that you need lockers, disconnecting sway bar and trail tires. Great, entertaining and educational video!
'need' is relative, I think. Probably good to have all that stuff on kelly flats. That said, you could do nearly as well with BLD, cooper discoverers at 20psi, and a couple of 18MM wrenches to 'manually' disconnect the sway bar.
True, but you also made my point. The Coopers and manually disconnected sway bars are off road traction tire and disconnecting sway bar. 😃 Yes the Wrangler BLD is pretty good but lockers would make the vehicle’s movement smooth and much safer. They will do really well just with a good AT tire. I think Tommy’s mistake was the tire. His idea of stock “cheap” Jeep being very capable is still valid.
They definitely needed lockers lol. The brake management kept making the jeep slide and jerk and they only made it because of the Toyotas and spotters getting them unstuck over and over.
I’m running an almost bone stock ‘98 XJ on 29’s with a 2” budget puck lift. Shit just goes where some built jeeps struggle. It’s more about being smart than spending $20K+. I’m terrible at off roading so I could only imagine what someone who knows what they’re doing could do.
I love these TFL videos. Father and son taking on a big challenge, having disagreements, taking the adventure together. This is one of the best videos yet.
I think it's great that you guys stopped and turned around. I am just starting my offroading journey and it is something I am keeping in mind. If either myself, the Jeep or the tires are not able to do it, then I will be stopping and turning around. As Roman said it, it's supposed to be fun. Once it stops being fun, turn around and try another day or another trail. Awesome video guys!
Even though it was cut short, I believe we've got a very good idea of how good the traction control is and how bad those tires are. Thanks for the effort. You guys are awesome!
People actually need to see this video. Many out there think just because its a JEEP, it can go anywhere. Too many people try these offroad trails with ill-equipped rigs or not enough experience. Bad things can happen. GREAT VID TFL.
@@scotto9712yeah, I have a Sport (rear Dana 44 and LSD) that I’ve been building up over the last 3 years. Started stock with some mild AT tires. Put a spacer lift on and then 35s. Then regeared and did a true suspension llift after that. Then a steel bumper and winch. All the while doing 2, 3, 4 rated trails. Haven’t done a 5 yet. Working my way up, developing skills along the way. Gonna replace my cheapo shocks soon and want some better underbody armor before I do some crazier trails.
I agree, in fact I think if you can't see your own line and drive by yourself you shouldn't be there. Been offroading for over 45 years and never have used a spotter and only once did I get stuck to the point of not being able to self recover, just sayin....
I love to see how a father is worried about his son. I never had that. Y'all actually made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. That's true family love. And this is why I love all of your channels. I am a forever fan. ❤❤❤
I could feel Roman’s pain. I don’t blame him one bit. I couldn’t put my son in a situation like that. Roman and I are almost the same age so I know where he’s coming from. Don’t be too mad at him Tommy, you’ll see one of these days.
Agree. We wheel our Jeep and I wouldn't risk a situation like that with our children aboard. I could see Tommy was a bit disappointed when Roman mentioned going back down the hill. Now when they do conquer it, it will be a satisfying feat! I REALLY like this Cheap Jeep series.
Tommy will know EXACTLY Roman's viewpoint when he has his own son, and owns the business. It's kinda bad for business when the owner's son rolls a brand new Jeep attempting to be a hero and gets seriously hurt or killed ON CAMERA.
To Roman’s credit, it’s always better to leave the casino before you bust than after. Not a decision that will make you mr popular but one that guarantees the safety of your kid. Good on you
@@ianberry5562 Perfectly stated. Like Roman, I have one son and while I like him to be adventurous I do not encourage unnecessary risk. The point of the vid wasn't to seriously risk injury. The limits of the Jeep with stock tires was shown.
I'm with Roman on this one. It was already sketchy enough, and seems obvious that you'd be pushing the Jeep to only get stuck a bit further up, if not worse. Get some better tires and then try again. All of that said, you guys at TFL truly put out some quality content for us. Cheers!
I was actually impressed with what you did on the stock jeep. A "9" rated trail is not a fair match for almost any stock vehicle, especially with smaller, stock street tires, and no factory lift. If you gave that thing some good all terrain, larger diameter tires, a 2" lift, and manually disconnected the sway bars - it would go a lot of places.
I enjoyed this video quite a bit. I'm not an offroader and recently bought a big bend bronco as my second car. Watching Tommy fail to an extent with that base Wrangler teaches me a lot more about what I could expect from my Bronco than watching him engage lockers and go over an obstacle. Failure always teaches more than success.
@@MichaelMiller-rg6or Nope. It's almost as base as you can get. Big Bend, open diffs, standard tires, manual trans. I didn't buy it with the intent to offroad, though it has some capability for light offroad if I want to, and will definitely get me to and from work when the weather's nasty.
@@CrzyHavvk Did it come with the 4Auto setting? I think it’s only on higher trims but I am not sure. Thats what you want in nasty on road weather most of the time.
it's so interesting watching what matt's off road recovery does, with their custom, purpose built vehicles and then what this channel does, with their much more stock vehicles, and less experienced off roaders. Makes me realize as a noob myself, with very stock vehicles, what's realistic to cope with compared to those with a lifetime of experience, trail repair skills, and custom built rigs.
Don't use MORR as a benchmark of driving and recovery skill. They are ok, but make mistakes as often as they get it right. Of the youtube recovery channels the only one I truly respect is Rory at Trailmater. That man has legitimate skills and shows it regularly. As an example, when was the last time you saw him use a kinetic strap in a static recovery? Can't remember him doing that. MORR? Yeah, every time.
I think you accomplished what you set out to do....show the limitations of a stock Jeep on street tires. You took it farther than most people would. Good call on bagging this trip and come back with better tires and a 2" lift next time.
Please don’t have that “spotter” in the red shirt on the channel ever again. He stopped Tommy who was on a good line around 6:50 and made him move left. He then repeatedly stopped Tommy as he was making progress and eventually Tommy drops in on the right side because the “spotter” took him left and caused him to stop and start. The guy talks like he’s sort of expert but is absolutely not.
Proper training gains confidence and skill. I've been watching for a while. Most if not all the offroad content on this channel is mild. The first time I see some fun trails and Roman shuts it down. Safety is always first, but just because you're scared doesn't make it unsafe. If that's the case, you might as well stop offroading because anything can happen.
There’s no reason for anyone to roast you in the comments. Huge credit where credits due for showing the limitations of stock OEM street tires and how important the proper tire can be. After you get tires and some sway bar disconnects, I’d love to see you go back and show the difference. Can’t wait to see more on this series!! Also, being a father myself, I totally understand Roman’s freak out…lol Keep it up guys! Great video.
When he told Tommy to back up and go driver on that first obstacle, how many people were yelling at the screen that he was going to slide off that passenger side rock?
@@RobRoyRoadie Hi, James here from the video (guy in the red shirt). The camera angle isn't doing any favors here to show you how to line up the truck. The issue on this obstacle was that there was a deep notch directly under the center line of the truck between that high rock on the passenger side and that later rock on the driver side. Too far toward that passenger side and you won't come up the middle of the rock on the driver side. Back up to 5:27 and you can see the FJ come right up the same line I'm trying to put Tommy on. The Jeep's main issue here was tire traction, the passenger side line would be perfect and it would slip off toward the driver side. The FJ has a front locker -- not sure if it was on -- which probably helped to keep it from slipping, but the Jeep's tires just weren't holding it on a steady line coming up the obstacle. Perhaps a front locker with these same tires would have kept it more stable than the BLD (brake lock differential) applying ABS, but I suspect that it wouldn't have made enough of a difference. I fully expect we'll head back up there once they put a better set of tires on this thing. My 4Runner did everything that day unlocked / ATRAC on, which is the same as Jeep's BLD. I've seen a lot of Jeeps in Colorado do amazing things without a lift / giant tires -- Charles Wells who makes the FunTreks guidebooks wheels a TJ on BFG AT 32's -- but you gotta have more tire than this one does.
You absolutely made the right call there Roman! As someone who's rolled a Jeep and a Toyota I can tell you it happens so fast you're not even gonna know what happened. The tires were bad for sure but I think that jerky brake lock diff bs is what would've ruined your day. Gotta be smooth!
I want to add this comment ; From watching this video and having watched T F L for a few years Roman Mica is Man who cares about people, enjoys life, is level headed and enjoys what he does and is disciplined and in this day of dysfunctional families it is nice to see a man who has passion for what he does and shows that he cares about his son. Tommy is a rarity and and calm and smart and like his Dad Roman , passionate and enthusiastic about what he does. It’s great Tommy and Roman can work together. The whole T F L group is AWESOME!
@@lanceislateagain yes, it doesn’t make sense. Even though those are soft off-roaders. Bronco sport as well as Subarus use all terrain. Yet 4 runner and wrangler use all season
This is great! I have notifications on and will be waiting for the next one. Also totally agree with Roman, yes you want to have fun, you want to see what the vehicle can do, but you absolutely want to be safe. Good job all around with driving technique & filming. Looking forward to seeing what better tires will do for this Jeep.
As a dad, this is one of my favorite videos you guys have done. Seeing Roman standing on that passenger side while Tommy was sliding right… no way he would’ve stopped that thing from going. But that was his boy in that Jeep. I get it.
What this shows is exactly where not to take a stock Jeep. So as an example of this, this is great. Because some individuals will buy a Jeep like this with unrealistic expectations of where they can go and thus get in trouble on the trails as a consequence. This helps show some of these limitations, so I am glad you demonstrated these limitations so well.
Actually it was a good idea to do this video, because there are people that will get a jeep like that and go trail riding by themselves just because it is a "jeep" I am glad yall did the video
Being the fud that I am, I was glad to see Roman recognize the cheap jeep had reached its limits. I’d much rather see disappointment than catastrophe! On to some simple mods and better capability!
This video is a perfect opportunity for a tire company to show off the difference in their product can make. I would run the exact same trail again but with good tires and no other changes.
This is perfect. Just like the Willy's. You don't always have to crawl and flex to get there. You sometimes have to get into it. That was four wheeling back in the day. Just give it hell to get as far as you can.
I love the idea of bouncing around on a bone stock Wrangler, which is exactly how I would buy it! But I would never take it on a trail that difficult, lol.
Having a Gladiator Sport, I was able to get up just about anything CO through at me without issues... However, while I had open diffs, I made sure to get a 3.5" Lift, Sway bar disconnects, and BFG KO2 - 37's, to make sure I consistently had good contact with the ground and the clearance to not worry about obstacles. The few times I picked up a wheel I had the traction to keep me planted where I wanted to be. Tires, Articulation, Clearance. In that order with a sport.
good build, i did the same but 2.5 and 35s, and really, it just ended up being too big of a truck for my tastes off-road and I'm back to a 2 door sport again. One thing I would recommend to people that has been amazing are Eaton Truetrak LSDs front and rear. Its like having an automatic locker that only works when you want it, and I only get a tiny amount of binding on pavement when turning full left or right.
Just put some Thunderer Rangers on my Xterra and have to say these tires are amazing, great off-road traction and super quiet on the road (very close looking to the KO2's) And that is a fact jack tires can make or break a fun day !!! Thanks for sharing !!!!!!
I totally understand how Roman feels. I could enjoy watching anyone tackle a wildly difficult trail in a vehicle outfitted nowhere near the capability required and it'd be exciting. Way, way different when it's your only son. Great video guys!
LOVE the Roman/Tommy dynamic! As a parent I understand where Roman’s coming from; as a crazy parent, I get where Tommy’s coming from. I applaud them for even trying in that Heep. Great video!
Love this video! Thanks for keeping in the convo about stopping the climb. It's a good reminder to stay within the limits of your vehicle. No offense to Tommy, he's a pro. But I would have made the same decision.
I had a JL sport with 35x10.50x17 and rubi shocks along with sway bar disconnects, also picked up some rock sliders off a rubi… I put over 50,000 miles on it with in a year and made memories I’ll never forget!!
I 100% get both sides here. I’m probably about 100x more willing to put myself at risk than my wife or daughter. I get Tommy. I love testing my own limits. I get Roman. I wouldn’t let my family anywhere near that jeep on that trail. Really, really great video here guys. Respect.
I get both Roman and Tommy’s thoughts and opinions about it. Yeah as a son I’d want to push on a little more. But my Dad would be the level head and say stop before you break something. And I’d get his point. You guys have an awesome father/son relationship from what we can see. Keep up the great work together guys.
Roman was right. You have to know when to call it quits before somebody gets hurt or killed. The video, like pictures, does not show how steep the hill was or how much of the tilt of the Jeep had. I have read from these comments that the person who was spotting was telling Tommy bad spotting advice. Unless you and I were there, we shouldn't pass judgement because we were not there and there were probably things he did see and that we cannot from this video. I think it was great of you guys to show that Jeeps and other off road vehicles are capable of climbing hills but more importantly, is that everyone returns home safely and without damaging your vehicle. Know your limits and live to try again some other day :D
I have this exact build out but in a 4dr. I’ve done some things to make my life easier but fellas… the difference a disconnected sway bar makes is incredible. Yes you have to get down in the dirt to do it on a sport but this would have been a much different video. Just my two cents, don’t hate me please. Also love the content you and your dad do. It makes my heart happy.
One of the best TFL episodes- great editing and really enjoyed seeing the base model pushed to its limit. Please just add AT tires and see what it can do.
This really does put into perspective where the line is drawn for needing a built rig. Thanks for showing this side of it! Would love to see this jeep on an 8...then a 7...then a 6 and see where it can actually get through.
I truly don't understand why Jeep doesn't offer all terrains as standard on all Wrangler trims. That is the one vehicle that should never have street tires.
Jeep is flinging crap at the wall when it comes to tires right now cheap jeep crap tires expensive jeep so so all terrains buy a Willy get good mud terrains
I have a ‘22 two door sport and added 32 inch Kenda Klever tires. Made a massive difference and tends to surprise people that its able to keep up with larger vehicles
Like any other fake limited-slip diff, Brake Lock Differential requires wheels spinning for it to work, which is why every time the Jeep was starting to make some progress and Tommy let off the throttle, the Jeep got itself into trouble. Simply keeping your foot in it and allowing the traction control system to work would have let the Jeep walk right up those obstacles with little drama. You can only stop-and-start crawl like you were doing with a proper locking differential. In the end, unlike most beginner offroaders, you guys made the right decision to quit before you got too far in over your heads. Keep practicing!
Yeah, Roman was right. As a father I completely understood him when he was talking about his only son. I actually enjoyed seeing a failure. Sometimes you have to make the right decision. Otherwise you end up on Matt's off-road recovery.
So the big question is, will you give it a try again with the proper tires? That said, for those of us that learn from you guys, this is really helpful at showing just how much of a factor having the right tires is. Thanks again!
As a Suzuki owner, yes lockers and off-road tires will improve grip, but it won't counteract the fact that it's a short wheel base vehicle. If you see massive washouts in a hill-climb, the Jeep is more likely to roll over than a long-wheel-base vehicle. Mud terrains may have in fact encouraged the rear tires to dig in and turn the car over, instead of slipping incessantly. Just take it really easy, you did really well gently backing off the power and letting everyone process what was going on.
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Roman is saving Tommy from rolling the Jeep and getting hurt. Tommy is saving Roman from having a heart attack over worrying about Tommy. That's how family works.
Definitely a dad and son moment. And very relatable to me being both a dad and son.
I thought Roman was a lesbian at first.
@@jimmyjam505😅🤣😂👍
A trans lesbian! lol
LoL, is it, though?!
Got to respect the fact that when dad says time to turn around, it’s time to turn around.
Tommy isn't a child anymore. If Tommy is confident and Roman is scared, why should he have to? Other than Roman owns the truck.. My wife doesn't like the harder 4 wheeling either, but she doesn't keep me from doing it.
Roman forgot his nerve pills.
@@krover01it’s called respect.
@@krover01 Easy, because in addition to being his father, Roman owns the company, and how would that look if he let Tommy continue and roll it (EXTREMELY likely) and get seriously hurt or killed ON CAMERA? Cool that your wife doesn't push it and that you have the understanding with her that you make these decisions and she needs to respect that. NOT the dynamic with Roman and Tommy.
@@prodigalpilot Nobody is owed respect, solely for blood or otherwise
Father knows best! Love how Roman was assertive, but still respected Tommy as an adult not overly pushing his opinion.
This fight between Roman and Tommy is exactly what I watch TFL for. You guys don't know how much I could work with my father.
I go to my dad and say hey I tried this restaurant… your just wasting you money… this guy is a multi millionaire who goes to the food banks…. Scum to be honest
Fathers & sons…
I’d be afraid to call my wife too.
Thank god that stuff isn’t edited out. Those are the best parts.
This!!
We don't know how much you could work with your father? What does that even mean?
Of course we don't. We don't know you. And are you saying you could work with him a lot because you get along or you couldn't work with him at all because you don't get along?
This has to be my favorite TFL video of all year .. father / son time .. priceless
I'm glad you didn't cut out the reality of deciding to call it a day for safety sake, and turn around. And the handling of both Tommy and Roman. Yall are great, I really like this Cheap Jeep series.
TFL kept it real here, and didn't edit out anything. This is why TFL is king!
You're kidding, right? All I saw was a ton of made-up drama. I must have missed the "real" part. Come on guys, you're better than this. Loose the fake drama and just give us straight forward driving. You'll get a lot more respect even if you don't make it.
@donhappel9566 I don't think it was made up drama as much as Roman was scared, and Tommy thought he could keep going. Since Roman owns the truck. Tommy had no choice.
It's too bad, because I enjoy seeing the harder trails, not a gravel rd.
@@donhappel9566 Just remember the only hill they go up is Pine Tree Hill" or something like that. So this is all new to them compared to the bunny hill trail they like
@@donhappel9566 Right! Because rolling a new Jeep and getting injured or killed on camera gets you more likes on FascistTube, and that's the important thing!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@krover01 Not only owns the truck, owns the BUSINESS, and how would that look if Roman let Tommy be reckless and get seriously hurt or killed and totaled a new Jeep ON CAMERA?
Having done heart attack hill many times you guys are crazy for taking a bone stock highway tire rig up there...AND I LOVE IT! 😂😂
Yeah.....I have to agree with Roman on this one. WATCHING somebody doing something sketchy is 1,000 times harder than DOING something sketchy.
There was more pucker factor in this video than TFL has experienced in a LONG time. Safety first always!
Even though the trip was cut short I think you successfully demonstrated the capability of the jeep even with the limitation of God awful tires. You successfully tackled obstacles the majority of jeeps built out or otherwise would never attempt. Didn’t have an easy time doing it, but to that point it did it.
Man takes street version of Wrangler on street tires to hard trail to prove you don’t need lockers, disconnecting sway bar and trail tires and proves that you need lockers, disconnecting sway bar and trail tires. Great, entertaining and educational video!
'need' is relative, I think. Probably good to have all that stuff on kelly flats. That said, you could do nearly as well with BLD, cooper discoverers at 20psi, and a couple of 18MM wrenches to 'manually' disconnect the sway bar.
True, but you also made my point. The Coopers and manually disconnected sway bars are off road traction tire and disconnecting sway bar. 😃 Yes the Wrangler BLD is pretty good but lockers would make the vehicle’s movement smooth and much safer.
They will do really well just with a good AT tire. I think Tommy’s mistake was the tire. His idea of stock “cheap” Jeep being very capable is still valid.
Tires were the main issue
They definitely needed lockers lol. The brake management kept making the jeep slide and jerk and they only made it because of the Toyotas and spotters getting them unstuck over and over.
I’m running an almost bone stock ‘98 XJ on 29’s with a 2” budget puck lift. Shit just goes where some built jeeps struggle. It’s more about being smart than spending $20K+. I’m terrible at off roading so I could only imagine what someone who knows what they’re doing could do.
I love these TFL videos. Father and son taking on a big challenge, having disagreements, taking the adventure together. This is one of the best videos yet.
Reminder that Roman is Tommy’s Dad before everything else. All of his instincts to protect his child kicked in.
I think it's great that you guys stopped and turned around. I am just starting my offroading journey and it is something I am keeping in mind. If either myself, the Jeep or the tires are not able to do it, then I will be stopping and turning around.
As Roman said it, it's supposed to be fun. Once it stops being fun, turn around and try another day or another trail.
Awesome video guys!
A 9/10 trail on road tires is too ambitious without more preparation. I'm with Roman on this one.
It's like a 4/10, the 9 only applies to the optional chute obstacle on the second half of the trail that they never venture towards
Listening to your dad is probably the best skill a young man like Tommy can have. Great video guys !
Your spotter had a rig built with large tires, Doesn't mean he knows what he is doing.
Even though it was cut short, I believe we've got a very good idea of how good the traction control is and how bad those tires are. Thanks for the effort. You guys are awesome!
People actually need to see this video. Many out there think just because its a JEEP, it can go anywhere. Too many people try these offroad trails with ill-equipped rigs or not enough experience. Bad things can happen. GREAT VID TFL.
And conversely, many people don't take their jeeps out to places that are appropriate to learn what their vehicle can do.
And then there's the people who buy Rubicons to drive on fire roads lol
@@scotto9712yeah, I have a Sport (rear Dana 44 and LSD) that I’ve been building up over the last 3 years. Started stock with some mild AT tires. Put a spacer lift on and then 35s. Then regeared and did a true suspension llift after that. Then a steel bumper and winch. All the while doing 2, 3, 4 rated trails. Haven’t done a 5 yet. Working my way up, developing skills along the way. Gonna replace my cheapo shocks soon and want some better underbody armor before I do some crazier trails.
@@billbesser3502 they had a terrible spotter and didn’t even try to
That spotter made things worse lol
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I agree, in fact I think if you can't see your own line and drive by yourself you shouldn't be there. Been offroading for over 45 years and never have used a spotter and only once did I get stuck to the point of not being able to self recover, just sayin....
I love to see how a father is worried about his son. I never had that. Y'all actually made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. That's true family love. And this is why I love all of your channels. I am a forever fan. ❤❤❤
I could feel Roman’s pain. I don’t blame him one bit. I couldn’t put my son in a situation like that. Roman and I are almost the same age so I know where he’s coming from. Don’t be too mad at him Tommy, you’ll see one of these days.
Agree. We wheel our Jeep and I wouldn't risk a situation like that with our children aboard. I could see Tommy was a bit disappointed when Roman mentioned going back down the hill. Now when they do conquer it, it will be a satisfying feat! I REALLY like this Cheap Jeep series.
@@Mekanik_JoeTommy isn't a child though
Tommy will know EXACTLY Roman's viewpoint when he has his own son, and owns the business. It's kinda bad for business when the owner's son rolls a brand new Jeep attempting to be a hero and gets seriously hurt or killed ON CAMERA.
@@krover01 Tommy doesn't OWN the Jeep OR the business either. I EXPECT my employer to stop me if it feels I'm being unsafe.
@@kx8960 My feelings exactly.
Tommy you will understand your father when you become a dad yourself. Love the video by the way thank you so much, I felt I was there with you guys!.
Roman, don’t be deprecating. Taking it on stock tires was a GREAT idea! Thank you, and Tommy.
Such a Smart Father/Son team. Roman and Tommy work well together.
I'm so proud of Roman caring for his Son Tommy like that
To Roman’s credit, it’s always better to leave the casino before you bust than after. Not a decision that will make you mr popular but one that guarantees the safety of your kid. Good on you
@@ianberry5562 Perfectly stated. Like Roman, I have one son and while I like him to be adventurous I do not encourage unnecessary risk. The point of the vid wasn't to seriously risk injury. The limits of the Jeep with stock tires was shown.
My boy is now 30, and my reaction would still be 100% the same as Roman’s. They get older, but that’s all that changes.
I'm with Roman on this one. It was already sketchy enough, and seems obvious that you'd be pushing the Jeep to only get stuck a bit further up, if not worse. Get some better tires and then try again. All of that said, you guys at TFL truly put out some quality content for us. Cheers!
"Who's gonna call mom if the Jeep rolls with you in it?" 😂
I was actually impressed with what you did on the stock jeep. A "9" rated trail is not a fair match for almost any stock vehicle, especially with smaller, stock street tires, and no factory lift. If you gave that thing some good all terrain, larger diameter tires, a 2" lift, and manually disconnected the sway bars - it would go a lot of places.
I enjoyed this video quite a bit. I'm not an offroader and recently bought a big bend bronco as my second car. Watching Tommy fail to an extent with that base Wrangler teaches me a lot more about what I could expect from my Bronco than watching him engage lockers and go over an obstacle. Failure always teaches more than success.
Does your Bronco have the Sasquatch package?
@@MichaelMiller-rg6or Nope. It's almost as base as you can get. Big Bend, open diffs, standard tires, manual trans. I didn't buy it with the intent to offroad, though it has some capability for light offroad if I want to, and will definitely get me to and from work when the weather's nasty.
@@CrzyHavvk Did it come with the 4Auto setting? I think it’s only on higher trims but I am not sure. Thats what you want in nasty on road weather most of the time.
it's so interesting watching what matt's off road recovery does, with their custom, purpose built vehicles and then what this channel does, with their much more stock vehicles, and less experienced off roaders. Makes me realize as a noob myself, with very stock vehicles, what's realistic to cope with compared to those with a lifetime of experience, trail repair skills, and custom built rigs.
I wish the two channels would do a collaboration. I'd love to see TFL do a deep dive in the highly modded vehicles Matt's Off Road Recovery uses.
Tommy is not exactly a noob though. Maybe compared to Matt but not to the average guy.
Don't use MORR as a benchmark of driving and recovery skill. They are ok, but make mistakes as often as they get it right. Of the youtube recovery channels the only one I truly respect is Rory at Trailmater. That man has legitimate skills and shows it regularly. As an example, when was the last time you saw him use a kinetic strap in a static recovery? Can't remember him doing that. MORR? Yeah, every time.
Tommy knows his sh!t. No noob there. But vehicle limitations are vehicle limitations.
That was a smart choice. RUclips views are not worth dying for.
More importantly, youtube would just remove that video anyways.
I have had a “stopped having fun” moment on Kelly Flats as well! That trail is no joke!
There’s not one smart off-roader who will bitch at you for choosing safety over cinematic shots. You can always fight another day
Exactly 😂
I think you accomplished what you set out to do....show the limitations of a stock Jeep on street tires. You took it farther than most people would. Good call on bagging this trip and come back with better tires and a 2" lift next time.
Yeah that was a crazy trail for that jeep.
Did pretty well with those tires, throw some A/Ts on there and try it again...
“it’s not about the Jeep, it’s about you”, Such a dad moment 😊
Also a generally good lesson for life .
Please don’t have that “spotter” in the red shirt on the channel ever again. He stopped Tommy who was on a good line around 6:50 and made him move left. He then repeatedly stopped Tommy as he was making progress and eventually Tommy drops in on the right side because the “spotter” took him left and caused him to stop and start. The guy talks like he’s sort of expert but is absolutely not.
He’s a buffoon
Thanks for this demonstration showing the limits of a stock base model jeep wrangler with Street tires.
This is the TFL I like.
Proper training gains confidence and skill. I've been watching for a while. Most if not all the offroad content on this channel is mild. The first time I see some fun trails and Roman shuts it down. Safety is always first, but just because you're scared doesn't make it unsafe. If that's the case, you might as well stop offroading because anything can happen.
There’s no reason for anyone to roast you in the comments. Huge credit where credits due for showing the limitations of stock OEM street tires and how important the proper tire can be. After you get tires and some sway bar disconnects, I’d love to see you go back and show the difference. Can’t wait to see more on this series!! Also, being a father myself, I totally understand Roman’s freak out…lol Keep it up guys! Great video.
The guy in red shirt needs to stop giving directions next time. wrong angle to start with!
When he told Tommy to back up and go driver on that first obstacle, how many people were yelling at the screen that he was going to slide off that passenger side rock?
@@RobRoyRoadie Hi, James here from the video (guy in the red shirt).
The camera angle isn't doing any favors here to show you how to line up the truck. The issue on this obstacle was that there was a deep notch directly under the center line of the truck between that high rock on the passenger side and that later rock on the driver side. Too far toward that passenger side and you won't come up the middle of the rock on the driver side.
Back up to 5:27 and you can see the FJ come right up the same line I'm trying to put Tommy on. The Jeep's main issue here was tire traction, the passenger side line would be perfect and it would slip off toward the driver side. The FJ has a front locker -- not sure if it was on -- which probably helped to keep it from slipping, but the Jeep's tires just weren't holding it on a steady line coming up the obstacle. Perhaps a front locker with these same tires would have kept it more stable than the BLD (brake lock differential) applying ABS, but I suspect that it wouldn't have made enough of a difference.
I fully expect we'll head back up there once they put a better set of tires on this thing. My 4Runner did everything that day unlocked / ATRAC on, which is the same as Jeep's BLD. I've seen a lot of Jeeps in Colorado do amazing things without a lift / giant tires -- Charles Wells who makes the FunTreks guidebooks wheels a TJ on BFG AT 32's -- but you gotta have more tire than this one does.
You absolutely made the right call there Roman! As someone who's rolled a Jeep and a Toyota I can tell you it happens so fast you're not even gonna know what happened. The tires were bad for sure but I think that jerky brake lock diff bs is what would've ruined your day. Gotta be smooth!
I am so glad my 2020 4Runner has a locker, and at a fraction of the price of a Wrangler Rubicon too
Great job dad!!!!!! Gotta keep the fun times safe!!!!
I want to add this comment ; From watching this video and having watched T F L for a few years Roman Mica is Man who cares about people, enjoys life, is level headed and enjoys what he does and is disciplined and in this day of dysfunctional families it is nice to see a man who has passion for what he does and shows that he cares about his son.
Tommy is a rarity and and calm and smart and like his Dad Roman , passionate and enthusiastic about what he does.
It’s great Tommy and Roman can work together.
The whole T F L group is AWESOME!
Thanks for the kind words
There are 100 subaru owners saying I would have drove right up that with no problems.... RIGHT no way
All subaru owner secretly want to be jeep owners
Subaru does at least put all terrain tires on their vehicles
@billricheter5678 even on entry level trims?
@@lanceislateagain yes, it doesn’t make sense. Even though those are soft off-roaders. Bronco sport as well as Subarus use all terrain. Yet 4 runner and wrangler use all season
"I could drive my Civic up that" -The internet.
This is great! I have notifications on and will be waiting for the next one. Also totally agree with Roman, yes you want to have fun, you want to see what the vehicle can do, but you absolutely want to be safe. Good job all around with driving technique & filming. Looking forward to seeing what better tires will do for this Jeep.
19:54 😂😂😂 winching down a hill.
Thank you guys so much for this content. Challenging a stock jl sport is very interesting but not rlly recorded and put on RUclips. Loved the video.
As a dad, this is one of my favorite videos you guys have done. Seeing Roman standing on that passenger side while Tommy was sliding right… no way he would’ve stopped that thing from going. But that was his boy in that Jeep. I get it.
REAL off-roading. This one gets a thumbs up.
That's a good dad! That's a great son! Be proud of each other!
Great father-son video. When your old man tells you to turn around it's better to listen to him rather than break his heart. Well done Tommy
What this shows is exactly where not to take a stock Jeep. So as an example of this, this is great. Because some individuals will buy a Jeep like this with unrealistic expectations of where they can go and thus get in trouble on the trails as a consequence. This helps show some of these limitations, so I am glad you demonstrated these limitations so well.
Actually it was a good idea to do this video, because there are people that will get a jeep like that and go trail riding by themselves just because it is a "jeep" I am glad yall did the video
Being the fud that I am, I was glad to see Roman recognize the cheap jeep had reached its limits. I’d much rather see disappointment than catastrophe! On to some simple mods and better capability!
Should buy a set of the new BFG KO3’s for the jeep, perfect way to test out new tires.
This video is a perfect opportunity for a tire company to show off the difference in their product can make. I would run the exact same trail again but with good tires and no other changes.
This is perfect. Just like the Willy's. You don't always have to crawl and flex to get there. You sometimes have to get into it. That was four wheeling back in the day. Just give it hell to get as far as you can.
10:44 Tommy looking out for his dad.❤😂
I love the idea of bouncing around on a bone stock Wrangler, which is exactly how I would buy it! But I would never take it on a trail that difficult, lol.
Love TFL for exactly these kind of videos. Things don't always go as planned on the trail and decisions have to be made in the field.
Having a Gladiator Sport, I was able to get up just about anything CO through at me without issues... However, while I had open diffs, I made sure to get a 3.5" Lift, Sway bar disconnects, and BFG KO2 - 37's, to make sure I consistently had good contact with the ground and the clearance to not worry about obstacles. The few times I picked up a wheel I had the traction to keep me planted where I wanted to be. Tires, Articulation, Clearance. In that order with a sport.
good build, i did the same but 2.5 and 35s, and really, it just ended up being too big of a truck for my tastes off-road and I'm back to a 2 door sport again. One thing I would recommend to people that has been amazing are Eaton Truetrak LSDs front and rear. Its like having an automatic locker that only works when you want it, and I only get a tiny amount of binding on pavement when turning full left or right.
Just put some Thunderer Rangers on my Xterra and have to say these tires are amazing, great off-road traction and super quiet on the road (very close looking to the KO2's) And that is a fact jack tires can make or break a fun day !!! Thanks for sharing !!!!!!
You done good and responsible. Love you guys!!
The videos featuring Roman and Tommy are my favourites.
Same here, It's the classic TFL recipe for a good video
That was great. The Jeep and driver did a great job. As a Dad I completely agree with Roman. It illustrates the importance of tires.
I totally understand how Roman feels. I could enjoy watching anyone tackle a wildly difficult trail in a vehicle outfitted nowhere near the capability required and it'd be exciting. Way, way different when it's your only son. Great video guys!
LOVE the Roman/Tommy dynamic! As a parent I understand where Roman’s coming from; as a crazy parent, I get where Tommy’s coming from. I applaud them for even trying in that Heep. Great video!
Love this video! Thanks for keeping in the convo about stopping the climb. It's a good reminder to stay within the limits of your vehicle. No offense to Tommy, he's a pro. But I would have made the same decision.
You’re very fortunate to have such a good dad!!!
I had a JL sport with 35x10.50x17 and rubi shocks along with sway bar disconnects, also picked up some rock sliders off a rubi… I put over 50,000 miles on it with in a year and made memories I’ll never forget!!
Honestly. Roman being a worried father for his sons safety was the best part of this video. You can just hear it in his voice how scared he was lol.
I 100% get both sides here. I’m probably about 100x more willing to put myself at risk than my wife or daughter. I get Tommy. I love testing my own limits. I get Roman. I wouldn’t let my family anywhere near that jeep on that trail. Really, really great video here guys. Respect.
Dad pulled the plug and that's it! No more fun today. He did it till he couldn't. Buy tires and come back. That was my first mod!!
Very entertaining video, you guys hit all the items on the “don’t do” list. When off roading, yet having fun does not require a fully built jeep.
I get both Roman and Tommy’s thoughts and opinions about it. Yeah as a son I’d want to push on a little more. But my Dad would be the level head and say stop before you break something. And I’d get his point. You guys have an awesome father/son relationship from what we can see. Keep up the great work together guys.
Roman was right. You have to know when to call it quits before somebody gets hurt or killed. The video, like pictures, does not show how steep the hill was or how much of the tilt of the Jeep had. I have read from these comments that the person who was spotting was telling Tommy bad spotting advice. Unless you and I were there, we shouldn't pass judgement because we were not there and there were probably things he did see and that we cannot from this video. I think it was great of you guys to show that Jeeps and other off road vehicles are capable of climbing hills but more importantly, is that everyone returns home safely and without damaging your vehicle. Know your limits and live to try again some other day :D
Good call Roman. Come back another day with some bigger/better tires and a winch!
I have this exact build out but in a 4dr. I’ve done some things to make my life easier but fellas… the difference a disconnected sway bar makes is incredible. Yes you have to get down in the dirt to do it on a sport but this would have been a much different video. Just my two cents, don’t hate me please. Also love the content you and your dad do. It makes my heart happy.
DAD MODE ACTIVATED.
Best video. Love this. Thank you fellas!
Thank you Roman. We learn something new everyday.
I didn't see a single activation of crawl control.
BLD works 10x better using crawl control and setting your speed.
One of the best TFL episodes- great editing and really enjoyed seeing the base model pushed to its limit. Please just add AT tires and see what it can do.
This really does put into perspective where the line is drawn for needing a built rig. Thanks for showing this side of it! Would love to see this jeep on an 8...then a 7...then a 6 and see where it can actually get through.
I truly don't understand why Jeep doesn't offer all terrains as standard on all Wrangler trims. That is the one vehicle that should never have street tires.
Jeep is flinging crap at the wall when it comes to tires right now cheap jeep crap tires expensive jeep so so all terrains buy a Willy get good mud terrains
I have a ‘22 two door sport and added 32 inch Kenda Klever tires. Made a massive difference and tends to surprise people that its able to keep up with larger vehicles
You guys should have aired down to about 16psi that would have help alot. I didn't see any bulging on the side walls
Like any other fake limited-slip diff, Brake Lock Differential requires wheels spinning for it to work, which is why every time the Jeep was starting to make some progress and Tommy let off the throttle, the Jeep got itself into trouble. Simply keeping your foot in it and allowing the traction control system to work would have let the Jeep walk right up those obstacles with little drama. You can only stop-and-start crawl like you were doing with a proper locking differential. In the end, unlike most beginner offroaders, you guys made the right decision to quit before you got too far in over your heads. Keep practicing!
Yeah, Roman was right. As a father I completely understood him when he was talking about his only son. I actually enjoyed seeing a failure. Sometimes you have to make the right decision. Otherwise you end up on Matt's off-road recovery.
Tommy Dad is right on this one.
Great video. Proof that every off-road adventure is an opportunity to learn something new
Thanks for trying! Glad you guys decided to play it safe. Looking forward to "Round 2" with better tires!
So the big question is, will you give it a try again with the proper tires? That said, for those of us that learn from you guys, this is really helpful at showing just how much of a factor having the right tires is. Thanks again!
As a Suzuki owner, yes lockers and off-road tires will improve grip, but it won't counteract the fact that it's a short wheel base vehicle. If you see massive washouts in a hill-climb, the Jeep is more likely to roll over than a long-wheel-base vehicle. Mud terrains may have in fact encouraged the rear tires to dig in and turn the car over, instead of slipping incessantly.
Just take it really easy, you did really well gently backing off the power and letting everyone process what was going on.
So the Jeep is more willing then the owner. Not many vehicles will do that.