Don't Void Your Warranty!
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Don't void your warranty to your Mercury engine! Listen to this official service bulletin from Mercury.
Lithium Pros cranking battery: lithiumpros.co...
The Memo:
Lithium Ion Battery Use
Scope
Mercury Marine has received inquiries about the use of Lithium Ion cranking batteries. While Mercury has not certified the use
of Lithium Ion chemistry engine cranking batteries as stated in our engine installation manuals, we acknowledge that several
OEMs have tested and approved Lithium Ion chemistry batteries specific for their boat applications.
All standalone Lithium Ion battery packs should have a battery management system (BMS) to protect the battery from damage
and any safety issues that may arise. The BMS is unique to all Lithium Ion batteries and the conditions at which it engages to
protect the battery varies across the range of manufacturers. When troubleshooting electrical issues related to the engine/boat
interface, it is important to ensure the cranking battery system is operating properly. Consider the following when
troubleshooting:
• Refer to the Lithium Ion battery manufacturer’s instructions or ABYC TE‑13 for understanding Lithium Ion batteries.
• Use the engine freeze frame data in G3 for determining the state of the electrical system at the time of the fault (refer to the
appropriate service manual for fault diagnostics).
• Isolation of components during troubleshooting may be accomplished via bypassing the Lithium Ion battery with an AGM or
lead acid battery temporarily.
• The following variables impact all boat electrical systems:
Operating conditions: temperature and vibration
Component condition: circuit protection, starter, battery, cables, power posts, and battery switch
Electrical operation/setpoint: alternator, ACR/isolator operation, parallel operation, and battery charger
Correction
Mercury Marine approves the use of lead acid or AGM batteries-depending on engine model, in all engine starting
applications. The specifications for each individual engine are listed in the engine’s Operation, Installation, and Service
Manuals.
Warranty
The use of Lithium Ion batteries will not void the engine warranty, however, claims for failures on the engine components
caused by Lithium Ion batteries may be denied. Refer any battery related issues to the installer.
#mercury #motor #warranty
John, thanks for this information. I love the channel. You are one of the best pro anglers that educate their audience and appeal to the regular Joe angler. Thanks for that.
Great job John. The BMS is just that, a Battery Management System. Part of the BMS programming is protection from the outboard overcharging it, it controls the state of charging. If you fire up the big motor, take off with a full charge the BMS prevents / shuts down the big motor from charging the battery by shutting down the charge process. If you know anyone running a “one size fits all” lithium battery and you hear them talking about how they fire up the big motor, get moving down the lake and the big motor shuts down, that’s because they do not have a proper cranking lithium battery with a BMS or with a BMS programmed to their specific outboard. When you fire up the big motor its going to charge and charge and charge. What happens is the lithium reaches peak charge much faster because there much more efficient and without a programmed BMS the outboard engine computer recognizes overcharging throwing an overcharge code shutting the engine down protecting it from any electrical damage. You’ll hear them say they drop the trolling motor run all of the electronics etc. to run down the lithium battery and the big motor fires right up. Problem is they take back off and repeat the outboard shutting down issue again. Bottom line if your running lithium’s make sure the cranking lithium is a cranking lithium with a programmed BMS to your outboard. I run a lithium cranking battery on my SHO 250 and the BMS programming is different than the MERC because of different outboard charging systems. BMS, BMS, BMS. This is why Mercury and Yamaha, I called them, were initially saying and are careful in the warranty wording. No BMS you could cause serious damage to your outboard that the warranty shouldn’t cover. The quality brands will know exactly what your talking about when you call them and ask. Call the manufacturer! If your looking at brand whatever and they cannot speak on the BMS DON’T BUY IT! John good luck this year and safe travels. I’ll be the loud guy cheering for you from Central Alabama 👊💥🎣🔨🇺🇸
What brand do you run on your sho if you don’t mine me asking I just bought a monster marine cranking battery for my 23 sho
Almost got it John. Starting motor on a 3s lipo OK. 13-6 to 14.2v full charge. Starting current does not run through the BMS. BMS is protection form incorrect current going into the battery from the motors charging system All lipos have there own charging algorithm. We R?C guys have blown up a few over the years. Lipo specific charger is a must. Merc does not have such. I dont know for sure if the new generation BMS will accept constant amps inbound to the battery from the Mercs charging system. Its all about the charging !
3S LiPos are 12.6v fully charged and these are LiFe not LiPo. LiFe are extremely stable and do not blow up.
Thanks for passing on that information!!👊🏻 Heard different stories but you cleared it up. Stay Safe & God Bless!
Ya know a great video would be to do a discussion about basscat and the differrent models they have now and had in the past and about the differrent attributes. Like which are known for speed or rough water rides, which are known for differrent things.
John- did you read the entire bulletin? Including the copyright information at the bottom?
The statement "void the warranty" is something that has been used widely, and in reality, there is no such a thing. The Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (of 1976, as amended) eliminated any chance of "voiding a warranty" for this type of purpose.
😂😂 Mercury just put a loophole in that paper if you’re using a lithium we don’t have to cover it
I dont see how the charging system is even close to how a lipo needs to be charged ? I base this on my new 2021 60/40 jet merc.
not willing to chance it. ill stick to regular marine batteries
Good video and not all lithium starting batteries are made the same. I switched over to the same 215ah battery from Lithium Pros this year because they stand behind their products and had the least amount of issues. Yes, there are cheaper options, but you get what you pay for as well.
How do you charg ?
@@pauleyplay The Lithium Pros 215ah is a 12 volt battery and I charge it with my Minn Kota 440PC charger in the AGM mode.
@@bjboothe8957 OK You get away with it. I just checked the specs. Not rated for lipos. Agm & lipos charging complete different rates.I went lipo 15 years ago. We all had to buy new chargers. Look it up, lots of info out there. I dont want to argue, Just check it out for yourself
@@pauleyplay I called Lithium Pros tech support and they told me that my current MK charger will work for that battery as long you are charging in the AGM mode. Also Minn Kota now has a newer charger out that a lithium specific mode.
@@bjboothe8957 And what does that tell you ?I know its expensive however Lipo charger will charge voltage up to 14.2. AGM tops at 13.6. Just 1 issue. You owe it to your knowledge base to see the different chargeing of AGM & lipo Total different.Hope all works out ! Pauley
Thanks for the information
By law they technically can’t “void” a warranty. They certainly can deny your claim if the failure is caused by your lithium battery. Basically they can’t deny a claim on a lower unit if you have a lithium battery.
I'm just not willing to take a chance using lithium for a starting battery. They are nice for trolling motor though.
I had my doubts but not anymore with Lithium Pros
Unless things have changed. You should not use a lipo. Its not the starting. Charged lipo setteles at 13.6V. Ok for the starter. Its the charging system that is in conflict, Complete different algorithm. We model R/C community started the lipo trend about 15 years ago.. Many blew up charging incorrect. Let me know if story has changed over the last 10 years
@@pauleyplay - These aren’t LiPos, they’re LiFePO4. And the RC community didn’t start anything. Lithium batteries have been around for ages.
Question : You're running all 5 units ,Powe pole livewells, pumps all day on that one 215 Amp battery????.
Correct
Just like buying an off the shelf battery charger, the charging SOURCE must be compliant with lithium battery chemistry. That bulletin does not state that Mercury's charging circuitry is LITHIUM COMPLIANT which it MUST BE.
It is. 👍🏼
Most Lithiums won't start an outboard motor, the BMS will shut down. Ask me how I know. All lithiums have a BMS, the important key factor is whether or not the lithium can handle the cranking amps during startup.
For the longest time we were told that we had to use a DC-DC converter to charge a Li battery from the alternator. Reason being the Li would take the amperage up to high and the alternator would overheat. Does anyone know what changed to allow a Li battery to be directly connected to the engine alternator????
LithiumPros isnt the only qualified marine starting battery maker. Seaquest battery uses quality BMS's as well. Incidentally.. that giant group 31 100Ah starting battery is overkill. SQ makes a LiFepo4 battery 1/2 that size and 1/2 the weight that starts that big Merc just fine. $1800 / 30 lbs vs. $750 / 15 lbs.
Great video!
My question is will Mercury possibly not warranty any issues that arise from a lead acid or AGM battery issue? Would they treat those the same as a potential lithium battery issue, or do they do a full send on warranty for old technology? My bet is they would say the same thing about the old batteries.
Been using lithiums for everything for over a year with out issues but that being said there some junk lithium batteries out there
I use lithium battery power batteries which are based out of Florida and there batteries are all made in USA to
Thank you for this information 👍🏻
Where can I found this note from Mercury ?
Full text in description. It was sent to dealers
@@JohnCrews Merci from France ;)
Interesting that now Power-Pole Charge is not recommending using a lithium starting battery with their system because the power transfer algorithm may cause the starting battery to go to sleep thus negating the jump start technology built into their system. They recommend AGM
PPC is great in concept, but real world has shown them to be trash...especially after the latest update.
Word play by Mercury...
Get an IONIC Lithium and never look back.
Do you keep your boat plugged in when you aren’t using it?
No. Lithium’s only need changing right before use
@@JohnCrews No so john. Below around 50% or less & in a discharged state. Say goodnight to that battery. All good R?C lipo charger have a storage charge or about 80% We use this over winter.
@@pauleyplay you are all over this comment section making claims that are inaccurate about LiFePO4 batteries. Not all lithium chemistries are the same.
Dakota Lithium just sent me a warning that their starting batteries can cause electrical failures with Mercury engines (200 HP) and they would accept them back for a full refund. What starting lithium battery do you use?
I've been using Ionic from lithium hub on my Mercury Verado 200 for 3 seasons with no issues.
Don't tell Don...... LOL
Ha!
Maybe Don has a "cocktail" for lithium use lol
all lithium battery have the BMS that keeps it from over charging an making you jump out of the boat while it burns up...They got so cheap now 300 dollars everyone fishing should be buying these they last so long..i watched a guy cut them all open said look they all got the same BMS just different sticker on the battery they all come from China
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It's not even worth the conversation. For the one battery that you use for your cranking motor, to ensure that your warranty on the most expensive piece of equipment on your boat is covered, just use a regular lead acid battery and be done with it. Until Mercury says in plain language that your warranty is not in jeopardy, it's foolish to take the risk.
It’s never in jeopardy. They cannot void your warranty. They can refuse to cover a repair IF they can prove the battery was the cause (even that is questionable) but the warranty remains intact per US law.
@@Cerus98 too many what ifs and gray matter for me to risk it.