Thanks for taking the time to give a real world test. This is really useful information for someone shopping. I added a skid steer quick attach to my New Holland Workmaster 35 and pallet forks. It was a considerable improvement over bucket forks.
Doug, it's interesting to see how much extra manual work you created for yourself. I would have gotten a second pallet, readily available for free, and unloaded the bags that you are tossing everywhere, onto that second pallet on the tractor, until you got to the limit of the bucket. In this video you now have to reload those bags that are scattered everywhere, onto your emptied pallet. Just an observation.
True, but it really wasn't that much extra work, I wanted them all on one anyway. Once I had them off the trailer I restacked onto the pallet and dropped where I wanted it.
That load is really far out there. I recently gave my loader a good test and got a video of it. I was using ssqa forks. Was definitely eye opening to see the picture fron the side. From the front of the load to the back of the 3 point implement it put the front tires right about in the center. With buck forks it would be even further out.
Putting those clamp on forks out in front of the bucket drastically reduces the lifting/curling ability. Direct SSQA forks would increase your lift capacity notably. That said 450 lb is still decent that far out front. Fun little,test!
450lbs plus the 100lb forks plus the 150-200lb bucket not to bad at all for that tractor. If i am recalling correctly the rating is at the pivot pin so anything attached to the loader counts towards its max lifting capacity.
thats right about where it's rated to lift. I have a bx23s with the SSQA forks and get about 350#. I keep a lot of pallets around and stack them with product, it's a lot easier to move a small pallet of material off of another then it is to hand load that same things. I get only 2 or 3 layer of brick on a pallet but I can lift them high enough to stack 5 or 6 pallet of them on top of each other.
The farther past the loader bucket the less you can lift. If you had another pallet, put it on the forks and lift the pallet off the ground to say 2 feet, now load the pallet so you don't tip the tractor. Remember, you may not be able to lift XXXlbs, but the pistons can hold XXXlbs by the check valve in the hydraulic control. Move it to the desired location, dry hard ground preferred then lower it. You could never load the entire pallet on another one on the forks because the rear tires would come off the ground. If you had a backhoe and extended the bucket out as far as possible it would give you ballast to put a few more bags on but in your case its easier to make 2 trips. No sense in breaking anything plus safety is #1.
Good point regarding the check valve, wasn't aware of that. I would lift what it can then load up the rest. I use a 58" tiller as ballast, it is about 600ibs.
I like what you have....but that's why you also need a skidsteer. With pallet forks on a skidsteer you can do alot. Both machines are needed in my book.
You should have used a second pallet. To save your back. Don't forget you only have one back. Take from someone who knows. As you get up in age you might be using a cane prematurely. Good test though 👍☺️
I have a bx 22, the hydraulics are severely governed. I found out Kubota sells shims for the cut out pressure sping. I put 4 in mine and my bx is on steroids now. Guaranteed mine would lift that whole skid.
@@Vincent72 Same here. No longer have a skid steer so I ordered clamp on forks today for the Kubota. It has a pin on bucket and it's just not worth $1500 for the conversion.
There are several You Tube videos out there to show you how to add the shims to the pressure relief valve, so you can lift more weight. They are about 50 cents from your dealer. This makes a BIG difference. BUT, make sure you have ballast on the back of the tractor, or you will lift the rear tires off the ground, which can get dangerous, depending on the terrain you are on. Either wheel weights, loaded tires or a weight box on the 3 point hitch is necessary. All 3 are best.
In this case the loader just isn't built to lift that much weight. Its rated at 400-500 pounds depending on which bucket system you have (quick attach or pin on). Even with those shims that everyone talks about it still isn't going to lift 1,000+lbs especially when you have those pallet forks sticking 4 feet out the front of the tractor which makes it really only able to lift about 200-300 pounds due to the length of those forks...with the quick attach pallet forks that take the place of the bucket, you will have better lift capacity closer to the bucket lift capacity. These tractors really are great, but they have to be used within their specifications. People buy them and try and do big tractor stuff with them and then somehow its the tractor's fault. Its the case of you should have bought a bigger tractor for the tasks you want it to perform. It would be like asking your lawn tractor from the big box store to lift that pallet of mulch without first taking off 1/2 the bags of mulch LOL.
That’s why I didn’t get a loader on mine, the pumps just won’t do enough to satisfy me on the little tractors. Pumps on the next size up compact tractor work a bit better.
something is wrong with this unit, look at the tires when it is trying to lift. not even a squat, you my friend need to adjust your loader pressure relief valve
He's trying to lift 1,000+ pounds of material with a tractor rated to lift about 1/2 that with a bucket not with 4 feet of pallet fork sticking out the front of the loader bucket reducing the effective lift capacity to only a couple hundred pounds. Its a sub-compact tractor trying to do skid steer or full size tractor work. Shims aren't going to correct an issue like this, a much larger tractor would, but no matter how many shims you cram in that valve its not going to lift that, and you wouldn't want to be on that tractor if it did lift it.
@@wildbill23c I have an allmand backhoe that is not much larger of a machine footprint wise, 22 hp Chinese knock off replacement motor in it but much much stronger hydraulics. Made in an age when everyone wasn’t Sue happy and if you flipped your tractor it was your own fault. I’ve lifted atleast 2,000 lbs of pavers oddly stacked on a pallet not in the tractors favor. All with forks on the front of the bucket and when the back tires started to float a little just swing that backhoe out a few feet to bring it back down... these super expensive wimpy little lawnmowers kubota and others put out make me want to puke because everyone acts like it’s normal for a machine that size to barely be able to lift up any actual weight, I wish people would stop buying them so a manufacturer would have to make something actually somewhat capable of doing any meaningful work
😆 you mine as well just unload the whole thing. I mean the tractor is a lawnmower for gosh sakes. However IV seen these little tractors pick up some big stuff your not even squatting the front end. I say you may have a issue man.
It would have worked better with a regular set of pallet forks attached to the loader instead of sticking out way in front of the bucket further reducing the lift capacity of the loader. People buy these small tractors because they're easy to maneuver around small properties, then they try and do big tractor stuff with them and wonder why it don't work LOL. Part of the issue is the pallet fork conglomeration he's using, the other part is the loader is only rated to lift about 400-500 pounds with the loader bucket depending on which loader style (quick attach, or pin on)...pull the bucket off and add pallet forks and you may get 400 pounds if you are lucky. Its a small tractor made to do small things that your riding lawnmower can't do.
Little larger than a lawnmower, actually quite a bit larger than a lawnmower, and about 3x the weight. But for a sub-compact tractor they do more than you would think they could.
KUBOTA BX 2370 LIFT : 310 KG. = TO 680 LBS . ANY TRACTOR CAN DO SO MUST ! UNLESS , USE YOUR REAR IMPLEMENT FOR BALLAST > EXAMPLE : BOX BLADE SCARFIRE OR BRUSH HOE OR FINISH MOWER OR TILLER OR LAND PRIDE GRADER BLADE ! THEN THAT WILL LIFT IT , U MIGHT IN UP BROKING HYD CYL RAM IF U GO OVER WEIGHT LIMT ?.. NEXT TIME , GET KUBOTA L - 2501 LOADER TRACTOR WITH GEAR DRIVE TRANMISSON ?.
Thanks for taking the time to give a real world test. This is really useful information for someone shopping.
I added a skid steer quick attach to my New Holland Workmaster 35 and pallet forks. It was a considerable improvement over bucket forks.
Doug, it's interesting to see how much extra manual work you created for yourself. I would have gotten a second pallet, readily available for free, and unloaded the bags that you are tossing everywhere, onto that second pallet on the tractor, until you got to the limit of the bucket. In this video you now have to reload those bags that are scattered everywhere, onto your emptied pallet. Just an observation.
True, but it really wasn't that much extra work, I wanted them all on one anyway. Once I had them off the trailer I restacked onto the pallet and dropped where I wanted it.
That's why he's in good shape. Not a lazy one.
That load is really far out there.
I recently gave my loader a good test and got a video of it. I was using ssqa forks. Was definitely eye opening to see the picture fron the side. From the front of the load to the back of the 3 point implement it put the front tires right about in the center. With buck forks it would be even further out.
If I remember correctly the model of the loader reflects the max rated lifting capacity in kg. (la243 = 243kg = 535lbs)
Putting those clamp on forks out in front of the bucket drastically reduces the lifting/curling ability. Direct SSQA forks would increase your lift capacity notably. That said 450 lb is still decent that far out front. Fun little,test!
I was aware when I bought them, but $100 for clamp-on forks is a lot less then SSQA forks, plus I would want the quick attach conversion. Thanks
Doug Vincent absolutely, and a great decision if you’re only using them now and then.
450lbs plus the 100lb forks plus the 150-200lb bucket not to bad at all for that tractor. If i am recalling correctly the rating is at the pivot pin so anything attached to the loader counts towards its max lifting capacity.
thats right about where it's rated to lift. I have a bx23s with the SSQA forks and get about 350#. I keep a lot of pallets around and stack them with product, it's a lot easier to move a small pallet of material off of another then it is to hand load that same things. I get only 2 or 3 layer of brick on a pallet but I can lift them high enough to stack 5 or 6 pallet of them on top of each other.
No chains wrapped around the bucket?
The farther past the loader bucket the less you can lift. If you had another pallet, put it on the forks and lift the pallet off the ground to say 2 feet, now load the pallet so you don't tip the tractor. Remember, you may not be able to lift XXXlbs, but the pistons can hold XXXlbs by the check valve in the hydraulic control. Move it to the desired location, dry hard ground preferred then lower it. You could never load the entire pallet on another one on the forks because the rear tires would come off the ground. If you had a backhoe and extended the bucket out as far as possible it would give you ballast to put a few more bags on but in your case its easier to make 2 trips. No sense in breaking anything plus safety is #1.
Good point regarding the check valve, wasn't aware of that. I would lift what it can then load up the rest. I use a 58" tiller as ballast, it is about 600ibs.
I like what you have....but that's why you also need a skidsteer. With pallet forks on a skidsteer you can do alot. Both machines are needed in my book.
I agree, but before I would buy a skidsteer I would get quick attach conversion and actual forks. But, I have other priorities for my $$ currently.
You should have used a second pallet. To save your back. Don't forget you only have one back. Take from someone who knows. As you get up in age you might be using a cane prematurely. Good test though 👍☺️
At the time I didn't have one. But good idea.
Thats a baby Kubota, that’s why!
Yup, second smallest. but it gets done what I need. I actually figure with the bucket tines it lifted about what it is rated for.
I have a bx 22, the hydraulics are severely governed. I found out Kubota sells shims for the cut out pressure sping. I put 4 in mine and my bx is on steroids now. Guaranteed mine would lift that whole skid.
yeah, mine is stock. Thinking about shims, but haven't done it yet. I find it mostly does what I need as is.
This does not show a limitation of the BX. You're not using the biggest loader that the BX is capable of, so this is a limitation of the 243 loader.
Just too far away. You could probably have thrown 10 bags in the bucket in addition to what it lifted. Pretty impressive little tractor though.
Clamp on forks are not as good as the attachment, but I don't have quick attach nor the $$$, this works for me.
@@Vincent72 Same here. No longer have a skid steer so I ordered clamp on forks today for the Kubota. It has a pin on bucket and it's just not worth $1500 for the conversion.
You could have just as well unloaded those in your bucket
What rpm was the engine?
I think I had it at about 3,000.
There are several You Tube videos out there to show you how to add the shims to the pressure relief valve, so you can lift more weight. They are about 50 cents from your dealer. This makes a BIG difference. BUT, make sure you have ballast on the back of the tractor, or you will lift the rear tires off the ground, which can get dangerous, depending on the terrain you are on. Either wheel weights, loaded tires or a weight box on the 3 point hitch is necessary. All 3 are best.
In this case the loader just isn't built to lift that much weight. Its rated at 400-500 pounds depending on which bucket system you have (quick attach or pin on). Even with those shims that everyone talks about it still isn't going to lift 1,000+lbs especially when you have those pallet forks sticking 4 feet out the front of the tractor which makes it really only able to lift about 200-300 pounds due to the length of those forks...with the quick attach pallet forks that take the place of the bucket, you will have better lift capacity closer to the bucket lift capacity.
These tractors really are great, but they have to be used within their specifications. People buy them and try and do big tractor stuff with them and then somehow its the tractor's fault. Its the case of you should have bought a bigger tractor for the tasks you want it to perform. It would be like asking your lawn tractor from the big box store to lift that pallet of mulch without first taking off 1/2 the bags of mulch LOL.
hooray! you let the tractor un
TF is a baeg?
I baeg your pardon? Lol 😂
That’s why I didn’t get a loader on mine, the pumps just won’t do enough to satisfy me on the little tractors. Pumps on the next size up compact tractor work a bit better.
Max your front loader can lift is 535 lbs.
Leave the tractor run - need to keep up your compression and not have oil turn milky
I have learned that since this video. I appreciate the details on the why!
Great video, I love my Kubota bx. I have a bunch of videos check them out sometime and let me know what you think!
Take ALL of them off and see if it will just lift the empty pallet !
Pallet forks
You prob need at least the 25hp if not the 35hp tractor 🚜
Yanmar 424. 24 hp. 1200 lbs for lifting!
@@sylvainlacoste that’s at the pins so considerably less with forks but still much more than Kubota. Like the big tires as well!
Why do ya keep turning that bad boy on and off just to take off a few bags at a time? Let that puppy run!!
something is wrong with this unit, look at the tires when it is trying to lift. not even a squat, you my friend need to adjust your loader pressure relief valve
thanks, I will look into doing that, I believe that requires a shim kit.
He's trying to lift 1,000+ pounds of material with a tractor rated to lift about 1/2 that with a bucket not with 4 feet of pallet fork sticking out the front of the loader bucket reducing the effective lift capacity to only a couple hundred pounds. Its a sub-compact tractor trying to do skid steer or full size tractor work. Shims aren't going to correct an issue like this, a much larger tractor would, but no matter how many shims you cram in that valve its not going to lift that, and you wouldn't want to be on that tractor if it did lift it.
@@wildbill23c I have an allmand backhoe that is not much larger of a machine footprint wise, 22 hp Chinese knock off replacement motor in it but much much stronger hydraulics. Made in an age when everyone wasn’t Sue happy and if you flipped your tractor it was your own fault. I’ve lifted atleast 2,000 lbs of pavers oddly stacked on a pallet not in the tractors favor. All with forks on the front of the bucket and when the back tires started to float a little just swing that backhoe out a few feet to bring it back down... these super expensive wimpy little lawnmowers kubota and others put out make me want to puke because everyone acts like it’s normal for a machine that size to barely be able to lift up any actual weight, I wish people would stop buying them so a manufacturer would have to make something actually somewhat capable of doing any meaningful work
😆 you mine as well just unload the whole thing. I mean the tractor is a lawnmower for gosh sakes. However IV seen these little tractors pick up some big stuff your not even squatting the front end. I say you may have a issue man.
I plan to get the pressure test kit and check it. But actually, the math works out that it is about the right amount of lift.
It would have worked better with a regular set of pallet forks attached to the loader instead of sticking out way in front of the bucket further reducing the lift capacity of the loader. People buy these small tractors because they're easy to maneuver around small properties, then they try and do big tractor stuff with them and wonder why it don't work LOL.
Part of the issue is the pallet fork conglomeration he's using, the other part is the loader is only rated to lift about 400-500 pounds with the loader bucket depending on which loader style (quick attach, or pin on)...pull the bucket off and add pallet forks and you may get 400 pounds if you are lucky.
Its a small tractor made to do small things that your riding lawnmower can't do.
Little larger than a lawnmower, actually quite a bit larger than a lawnmower, and about 3x the weight. But for a sub-compact tractor they do more than you would think they could.
A 1500lb lawn mower
40 beeeegs
It's a LAWNMOWER dude ! Just stop !
KUBOTA BX 2370 LIFT : 310 KG. = TO 680 LBS .
ANY TRACTOR CAN DO SO MUST !
UNLESS , USE YOUR REAR IMPLEMENT FOR BALLAST >
EXAMPLE :
BOX BLADE SCARFIRE OR BRUSH HOE OR FINISH MOWER OR TILLER OR LAND PRIDE GRADER BLADE !
THEN THAT WILL LIFT IT , U MIGHT IN UP BROKING HYD CYL RAM IF U GO OVER WEIGHT LIMT ?..
NEXT TIME , GET KUBOTA L - 2501 LOADER TRACTOR WITH GEAR DRIVE TRANMISSON ?.
piece of shit tractor
It's not a deere