The pins need to slide over to the left to make proper contact with the socket. If you look really close at the motherboard socket you can see the contacts are on the left and the lever pushes it to the left forcing the pins into the socket making the proper connection
Except he specified putting pressure on the "left" when he tries to hold it by hand, but your explanation ignores this. The full explanation is that it's likely that the lever is pushing it down and to the left way harder than he could possibly be pushing (especially without bracing anything) so all he did is fail in the effort department.
The lever applies pressure on one side of the CPU pins and pushes them into the contacts on the motherboard. It puts a lot of force into them, as they need a very strong contact to deal with the extremely fast data signals.
@@furnacego2164That’s basically it. If you pay close enough attention to the CPU when it’s being installed (on AM4 and older, or any CPU with pins on the CPU itself), you can see the CPU shift slightly when you’re lowering the lever. You don’t see this movement with AM5 or modern Intel chips because the pressure is being applied downward instead of sideways, but it’s the same concept.
The way this specific socket works, the pins arent down, theyre to the side, so you don’t need downward pressure on the cpu, you need sideways pressure to make contact. On newer cpus the heat sink would have been enough to hold it down
These CPU dockets are ZIF so let's. The chip pins do not touch the socket contacts, so there is zero insertion force (ZIF). There is no chance the chip Will work without being held in place by pressing the lever down. This uses the cover plate to press the pins against the contacts.
I tried this ages ago with an am2 socket, it worked, but i had to push the CPU into the right direction with good force and needed to put something between the cpu PCB and the higher part of the socket, that the cpu stays fixed. :)
I definitely prefer the pins being on the mobo. Those thermalright contact plates are handy for lowering temps. It sucks that mobo manufacturers still haven't found a proper solution to this problem.
it really depends on the type of socket and a lot of other factors. that little lever arm actually produces a large amount of force though. it needs to press every single pin with a minimum amount of force into the side of every single hole. i seem to remember some older types of sockets that relied completely on downward force though, which MIGHT work with just resting the CPU, but you'd have to get pretty lucky i think
The plate presses the pins on the contacts. Back in the day, ZIF sockets were not the norm, you had to force the CPU into it's socket. The earliest CPU socket that was commonly ZIF was socket 7, iirc.
Nah there were at least 486s with a ZIF, I had one. Some CPUs were soldered straight to the board, late 386s and early 486s with no heatsink, but that was towards the end of their lives when they were cheap enough to do that. And only had 100 or so pins for a QFP connection. You can even get ZIF sockets for the old 40-pin or 68-pin or whatever it was, back for 286s and before. CPUs have often been very expensive! Worth protecting them against bungling with a ZIF socket even though it added some cost, but bringing reliability and the option of upgrades.
The grid actually moves slightly when you unhinge the lever. So in order for all the pins to connect to their respective lands, it has to be locked down
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When you push that lever down, notice how the CPU slides to the side by just a hair. The pins touch contacts inside the tiny holes, but only when the lever is pushed down which pushes the CPU's pins up against them sideways.
@@SirStDrProFDavePHD Nope, such a switch does not exist, nor would it make much sense as there is either a functioning CPU installed or the system doesn't work anyway so what would the switch do? It could cut power to the CPU but what would be the point of that? Besides, for that we would have to have a few big MOSFETs on the motherboard so you'd instantly be able to tell such a switch is not present.
im pretty sure the latch moves the internal "contacts" or hugs the pins.. it needs to latch to make contact as well as hold the cpu in.... pretty sure you can see them move if you latch it with no cpu installed.
The leaver moves pins into place not just locks them in place or apply pressure as the top part and bottom are about 1mm out of alignment when not locked down
The Thermalright AXP90 actually had me remove the socket cover on my board (AM5). It's currently running without one. I think this issue only applies to PGA sockets like AM4 and prior (and some very old Intels, but they switched to LGA a lot earlier).
Manually push the CPU slightly to the left for it to make proper contact with the socket without the top part of the socket. That's what the lever + top layer of the socket does when you do it properly.
I will work. cut the cotton part off of a cue tip and after installing cpu wedge the tube thing in the cap that lines up to where the top of the lever used to be.
I removed mine on a fx8350 board in 2015 (because im stupid and thought it was supposed to come off) and then put the broken pieces back on under the cpu and it worked for me to this day, its not in my gaming pc anymore but it runs 24/7 as a server
Why wouldn't it work? As long as the pins make contact it should work. My theory is that there is a short somewhere near/in the socket, and thats why the pc doesn't start.
Ya know, you could improperly install a 486 chip back in the day. If it was rotated 90 degrees, then it would pop/burst/burn. I'd wager that consideration is still built into all modern chips.
This if this as a bunch of little speacker wire clamps that dont clamp until the lever is pulled applying the clamping pressure...without it its supmly sitting in the holes with no connections
The lever, which needs a fair bit of pressure, actually 'pushes the pins onto contacts' not sure how to explain it. Othwise just dropping a CPU in the socket alone is not making any real contact.
on normal circumstances, the FF code appears. to bypass this FF code and so, you can trick it. the PC may rely on whether the socket is locked or unlocked with just some things that ,ake it detect if its locked or unlocked, and you can push it with soemthing else so it thinks its locked
@@thepenguin9 ah yes just like the outliers and exceptions in this video. Read the comments bro it works for some people so like I said he's blowing hot air out his ass for views.
My computer doesnt have the stock cpu clamp on ot. It has the one that holds it down all the way around, for even pressure all the way around. Not sure what it does differently from your fingers.. maybe its the pressure that does it.
The entire reason that lever is on there is to move the pins over to contact the CPU without it CPU is just floating and not connecting, How does someone who works on computers not know this?
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The pins need to slide over to the left to make proper contact with the socket. If you look really close at the motherboard socket you can see the contacts are on the left and the lever pushes it to the left forcing the pins into the socket making the proper connection
Thank you for the explaination that we wanted and did not get from the actual video lol
Except he specified putting pressure on the "left" when he tries to hold it by hand, but your explanation ignores this. The full explanation is that it's likely that the lever is pushing it down and to the left way harder than he could possibly be pushing (especially without bracing anything) so all he did is fail in the effort department.
Now you know darn well he only pushed down on the left side and not the entire card to the left.
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yeah any BASIC computer person knows that. sadly these youtube vidoes are all fake
Still dont understand why it doesnt work, does the lever actuate a switch or make a circuit connection?
Idk might be the pins not touching at the correct pressure
The lever applies pressure on one side of the CPU pins and pushes them into the contacts on the motherboard. It puts a lot of force into them, as they need a very strong contact to deal with the extremely fast data signals.
@acomputerguy6158 so it just relies on the pressure of the pin bearing on the contact to make the connection with a sideways force?
@@furnacego2164That’s basically it. If you pay close enough attention to the CPU when it’s being installed (on AM4 and older, or any CPU with pins on the CPU itself), you can see the CPU shift slightly when you’re lowering the lever.
You don’t see this movement with AM5 or modern Intel chips because the pressure is being applied downward instead of sideways, but it’s the same concept.
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The way this specific socket works, the pins arent down, theyre to the side, so you don’t need downward pressure on the cpu, you need sideways pressure to make contact. On newer cpus the heat sink would have been enough to hold it down
These CPU dockets are ZIF so let's. The chip pins do not touch the socket contacts, so there is zero insertion force (ZIF). There is no chance the chip Will work without being held in place by pressing the lever down. This uses the cover plate to press the pins against the contacts.
That's the DRAM led. Dear god.
A zero insertion force socket needs to be closed (the lever flipped) for the pins to make proper contact with the socket.
Sir...that's the dram light that's lit up.
Seriously I'm sitting here like... am I slow? Or.
was not even paying attention but yep you are correct. so a RAM issue.
I never thought a cpu cover for the motherboard slot was that important.
Your experiments are like the tech equivalent of when kids mix together whatever they find in the bathroom in a glass and see what color it makes.
I tried this ages ago with an am2 socket, it worked, but i had to push the CPU into the right direction with good force and needed to put something between the cpu PCB and the higher part of the socket, that the cpu stays fixed. :)
I definitely prefer the pins being on the mobo. Those thermalright contact plates are handy for lowering temps. It sucks that mobo manufacturers still haven't found a proper solution to this problem.
The solutions is a soldered CPU by the factory.
it really depends on the type of socket and a lot of other factors. that little lever arm actually produces a large amount of force though. it needs to press every single pin with a minimum amount of force into the side of every single hole.
i seem to remember some older types of sockets that relied completely on downward force though, which MIGHT work with just resting the CPU, but you'd have to get pretty lucky i think
The plate presses the pins on the contacts. Back in the day, ZIF sockets were not the norm, you had to force the CPU into it's socket.
The earliest CPU socket that was commonly ZIF was socket 7, iirc.
Nah there were at least 486s with a ZIF, I had one. Some CPUs were soldered straight to the board, late 386s and early 486s with no heatsink, but that was towards the end of their lives when they were cheap enough to do that. And only had 100 or so pins for a QFP connection.
You can even get ZIF sockets for the old 40-pin or 68-pin or whatever it was, back for 286s and before. CPUs have often been very expensive! Worth protecting them against bungling with a ZIF socket even though it added some cost, but bringing reliability and the option of upgrades.
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I had that same motherboard in my first gaming pc. Brought back some nostalgia!
the computer said /ff, please let me surrender
What the lever does is it shifts the cpu to the side which makes every single pin slide into it's appropriate connector.
I wish I had that motherboard. That thing looks awesome, i love the digital display onboard
The grid actually moves slightly when you unhinge the lever. So in order for all the pins to connect to their respective lands, it has to be locked down
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Crazy, it's like it was designed to work with a specific type of cpu.
Imagine permanently having a single frame of crab rave burned into your retina.
That was a nice way of calling everybody an idiot
When you push that lever down, notice how the CPU slides to the side by just a hair. The pins touch contacts inside the tiny holes, but only when the lever is pushed down which pushes the CPU's pins up against them sideways.
The pins don't touch the contacts unless the lever is pulled, that's what the lever is for.
after opting to use a contact frame for my 2022 12900k build i don't think i'll ever go back
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If I had to guess some kind of detection for connectivity when you put down the lever.
It probably bridges a very low power connection that is only there to test for
@@SirStDrProFDavePHD Nope, such a switch does not exist, nor would it make much sense as there is either a functioning CPU installed or the system doesn't work anyway so what would the switch do?
It could cut power to the CPU but what would be the point of that? Besides, for that we would have to have a few big MOSFETs on the motherboard so you'd instantly be able to tell such a switch is not present.
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im pretty sure the latch moves the internal "contacts" or hugs the pins.. it needs to latch to make contact as well as hold the cpu in.... pretty sure you can see them move if you latch it with no cpu installed.
The leaver moves pins into place not just locks them in place or apply pressure as the top part and bottom are about 1mm out of alignment when not locked down
Just wait till the CPU gets power. Gets hot really fast.
the lock and cover moves the cpu to the side a bit to make a connection
When you push the lever down it moves the CPU to the side and makes contact with the pins that way
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ZIF sockets, by their nature, need the force in the axis perpendicular to the insertion axis.
You absolutely don't need the stock contact frame. But you do need something that will provide good pressure.
Maybe try to put a weight on top of the CPU later
Nah those socket covers are serialized like apple
I watched the first video like 10 seconds ago
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Even the computer wanted to ff that shit xD "nah man i ain't doing this one"
Good to know it still works when circumcised if you put the skin back on
The Thermalright AXP90 actually had me remove the socket cover on my board (AM5). It's currently running without one. I think this issue only applies to PGA sockets like AM4 and prior (and some very old Intels, but they switched to LGA a lot earlier).
Well, yes, the lever makes the socket "grab" the pins in place by sliding the cover over and pressing them against the contacts in the socket.
Aluminum foil as thermal paste
Manually push the CPU slightly to the left for it to make proper contact with the socket without the top part of the socket. That's what the lever + top layer of the socket does when you do it properly.
I will work. cut the cotton part off of a cue tip and after installing cpu wedge the tube thing in the cap that lines up to where the top of the lever used to be.
I'm fairly sure that the led lit up is DRAM on account of it saying that... all nice and big like.
I've got such an annoying spot on my bum cheek
What if u put a plastic ice cube on cpu instead of thermal paste🤔
Another guy got it to work.
what type of CPU? bet it was not a PGA socket.
What's the motherboard you are always torturing? Seems like a really good one
I removed mine on a fx8350 board in 2015 (because im stupid and thought it was supposed to come off) and then put the broken pieces back on under the cpu and it worked for me to this day, its not in my gaming pc anymore but it runs 24/7 as a server
Just a hypothesis, but what if the contacts for the pins aren’t raised until the lever is lowered?
of it didnt work, the force of some levers make me feel like im going to crack the cpu
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Why wouldn't it work? As long as the pins make contact it should work. My theory is that there is a short somewhere near/in the socket, and thats why the pc doesn't start.
Holding a cpu while turning it on… those things get real hot real real quick
Well yeah, the lever shifts the CPU into place to make proper contact. It's not just a vertical force.
Its a pin clamp. Without a good connection to the pins it cant talk
the lever slides the CPU pins into the socket making contact, you cant just place the CPU on top of the socket
It tightens it against the pins
The lever pinches the pins by sliding the plate that the cpu is resting on here, the story would be different with a pin-less processor
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it was dram led that lit up
Ya know, you could improperly install a 486 chip back in the day. If it was rotated 90 degrees, then it would pop/burst/burn. I'd wager that consideration is still built into all modern chips.
If you guys dont know what ff means it means psu issue, an issue cpu socket, or cpu itself or, a motherboard issue or something else hope this helps!
my pc never came with a socket cover for the cpu but it works fine
I believe it didn’t work because the level moves the connectors in the holes into contact with the pins. It would likely have worked with an LGA cpu.
Damn, that’s a nicer motherboard then the one in my nas
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Why did you have to help the furry...
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I am using that exact motherboard in my own pc
I think it depends on the cooler as a good quality cooler could clamp the CPU down and substitute for the CPU bracket that was removed
No it wouldn't, not on this specific socket. If pins on CPU, no, if pins on board, yes.
This if this as a bunch of little speacker wire clamps that dont clamp until the lever is pulled applying the clamping pressure...without it its supmly sitting in the holes with no connections
No contact no conductivity. The lever moves the contacts into the pins
If it was an lga board with the pressure of a cpu cooler on top would it work?
I have an LGA 1155 without a socket cover (had to remove it because of my cooler) and it works fine
@ what cooler do you use? I didn’t know there were ones you needed to remove the socket cover for except for ones with contact frames
@@NONAME_098A few of the intel CPUs have a design flaw with the socket to where not all coolers can make full contact, also direct die cooling.
everything u see in pc building is there for a reason except the io shield u never see and u gotta rebuild 😭
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Just upgraded to a 1060 last year 😮😊
So.. The lever is closing a circuit?
The lever, which needs a fair bit of pressure, actually 'pushes the pins onto contacts' not sure how to explain it.
Othwise just dropping a CPU in the socket alone is not making any real contact.
This, ngl, kind of surprised me.
on normal circumstances, the FF code appears. to bypass this FF code and so, you can trick it. the PC may rely on whether the socket is locked or unlocked with just some things that ,ake it detect if its locked or unlocked, and you can push it with soemthing else so it thinks its locked
The lever wouldn't be there if it weren't needed.
My guy that's the DRAM LED, not the CPU LED...
That's because the cpu is what controls the dram chipset, if no cpu, then you get it
@@lynasan8657 Yeah well thats not typical behaviour and guy didn't explain that so seems like this dude might be blowing hot air out his ass for views
@@buttonmasher3820yeah well I had a cpu die and it would just keep lighting the dram light
Maybe consider that there will be outliers/exceptions?
@@thepenguin9 ah yes just like the outliers and exceptions in this video. Read the comments bro it works for some people so like I said he's blowing hot air out his ass for views.
Back when cheaper motherboards had 7 digit post displays. Unknown now to motherboards less than $450.
It works with Intel. The force that the cooler applies is enough to make contact
Its magic piece of ritual, without it you cant trick rock into thinking, of course it won't work without it
crazy the amount of people who didnt watch the video and say the lever pushes the cpu sideways
You almost always need a cpu fan plugged in before a mobo will boot. Not the issue here but just good info.
it is PGA the pins need to be moved over to make contact, LGA it may work though.
I actually have an AM4 system in my shop as I’m writing this, that has this same EXACT issue
My computer doesnt have the stock cpu clamp on ot. It has the one that holds it down all the way around, for even pressure all the way around.
Not sure what it does differently from your fingers.. maybe its the pressure that does it.
It works for LGA
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I stand corrected
Try it with LGA socket
The entire reason that lever is on there is to move the pins over to contact the CPU without it CPU is just floating and not connecting, How does someone who works on computers not know this?