Ram Pump Waste Valve Underwater to Reduce Sound
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2024
- If you place the waste valve of a ram pump underwater will it reduce the sound of the cycling valve? In this video I take a ram pump and place a fitting over the waste valve to reduce the sound. Next I take a 1/2 bucket filled with water and see if that reduces the sound of the waste valve.
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I love hearing my ram pump clicking away! It gives me peace of mind and a fat dose of reassurance that my families water needs are being taken care of whilst i am able to finally accomplish other tasks ❤
Thank you for all of your hard work and relentless experimentation. You have improved our lives greatly. I appreciate you and your content so much. Thank you Seth!
That being said, my idea was always to do a chicken wire and spray foam "volcano" dome piece. Or even a full on enclosed "rock" that I could shave and paint and just cap the whole operation ❤
To paraphrase: "That a sliencer?" "No, it's not a silencer. This little doodad is my own invention. I call it a loudener." 😅
Haha yes makes it a little louder.
as any scuba diver knows... sound travels really well in water... you can't use water to muffle sound. it was a cool experiment to see you try... on to plan B! can't wait to see!
True, but that does not apply here exactly because our ears are in the air, not underwater. But the water does a good job of conducting the sound to the walls of the containers which in turn vibrate the air. Also, the containers needs to be decoupled from the pipe. I think a water tight enclosure filled with air and squishy foam and isolated with rubber bushings from the pipes would work well. The pipes themselves will conduct sound so wrapping them with swim noodles would help too. It will be interesting what he comes up with. He is going about it the right way trying to keep it simple as possible.
Now how do we get that inside a vacuum???
I think the noise you hear is ‘break out noise’, radiating out from the valve body. You could try a lead impregnated acoustical wrap around the valve. Good luck.
You need to take the db readings at about 1m distance 👍
Build an acoustic box around the entire ram system!
Thinking about it, you’d be best to take readings set-distance markers, like, 1m, 5m, 10m, 20m, 50m, 100m and so on, that way you’ll get the best and accurate results. I’m assuming that the sound is carrying over a distance and that’s where the complaints are coming from.
wrap the check valve with rockwool Acoustic Insulation.
Keep up the experiments. This is a good goal.
I wonder if you had a stiff rubber or plastic flapper instead of a metal one if it would reduce the noise...sounds like the metal to metal smacking is what is making the most noise
Nice job ... nice to see fox with you again
You need a custom valve that decreases noise & increases pressure bonus is that you can sell it
A Quiet Check Valve is a great solution when extremely quiet operation is desired. Quiet Check Valve offer all the features as the standard check valve, with the addition of a spring-loaded hinged flapper mechanism which forces the flapper to fully close against fluid flow as the pump shuts down. This rapid closing action against pressure before any flow reversal can occur, eliminates noise caused by hydraulic shock (water hammer)... c/p from BOSHART INDUSTRIES 'STANDARD VS. QUIET SUMP PUMP CHECK VALVE'...
LOL! You know a rampump works because of the water-hammer-effect created by the checkvalve, right?
I think dampening the waterhammer will result in a rampump that is very quiet indeed, but it won't pump either.
@@TerrorTubbie666 You just began a sentence with an acronym and expect anyone to respect you... GFYYI...
Seth, you should always measer 1m away from the pump.
Place your mobile phone on a tripod and let it sit.
I thinkt the most noise cames from the side of the checkvalve and not the opening on top.
Maybe a bucket upside down, so the checkvalve-splash is also reduced.
Stay tubed.
BTW
i started experimenting again with my pump after 7 years. :-)
Do you remember?
Water is compressible , so will transmit sound really well, the sound wave then expands and is hitting the sides of the water container, more surface area , more sound produced, even with the energy loss from the sounds having to travel outwards before hitting the edge.
Extend my greetings to your lovely daughter… she was excited walking alongside her dad…
Maybe rapping the valve with a material that does not absorb water (or at least not much like a sponge) but does help with sound proofing?
Also if you will use the bucket as something to hold that material in its place (fill the bucket with it) maybe consider opening draining holes on the bottom to allow water to drain, thus splashing water sounds will be reduced plus i think it would make the bucket less heavy for obvious reasons.
Cool science!
I think you’re amplifying the sound with that design.. I would try to build a box around it and then use rockwool inside the box.. it’s resistant to water and a very good sound proofing mechanism..
I'd cut 2 plastic drums, a 55 gallon and a 35 gallon, rockwool in between them? set them over the ram pump. not sure if mold and mildew would be an issue eventually.
@@JT-cf5ol yea I would use rockwool. It’s fantastic at noise and it sheds water don’t think you would get mold.. its rocks :)
You’re daughter is very cute.
How about trying a PVC check valve? Also, there is a "silent" check valve PumpSpy makes for septics.
The water isnt making the loud clicking noise.
You arent measuring the same distance from the object producing the sound.
It would have been better to insulate the pipe with the valve.
It would have been better to measure db level from the wood post next to you to for standardization and to lessen the impact of the noise of the splashing water.
Yeah! 😄
Thank you for the video. When we are running 4 ram pumps, they create quite a racket. Raises the question where is the sound coming from? We have our ram pumps (thank you Land-to-House) in a stream with limited fall, so I have tested running one of the pumps with the top of the check valve at water level to get a little more drive pipe fall. Seemed to run just fine and I think you have a video about running a ram pump underwater. I don't remember if there was a difference in sound - I was focused on maximizing output volume.
As you know, there are different types of check valves, I wonder it they have different sound quality. Also if wonder if a rubber strike plate might eliminate the metallic click? Perhaps a future product for custom check valves to increase efficiency and change sound quality and reduce sound volume?
Looking forward to you next video.
Dave
I know plastic will shatter in the winter time but what about a plastic check valve???
hey there, just wanted to drop a quick comment -- sound in water is much louder & travels much farther, divers know this well. if you've ever been to the beach on the ocean, you might have heard a school of dolphins or a boat motor from miles away. I suggest something like neoprene? or a foam that can either get wet or withstand wet elements, to encase the valve. neoprene is used in wet suits, it's foam rubber, I wonder if wrapping it with that might help?
neoprene might also provide enough insulation to keep it from freezing in winter, I just realized
put bucket , with holes, fine mesh insude that, place shroud over valve. cover with sand. YW
A simple EVA circle on the piece that moves on the valve dont do the job?
I wanna talk to a guy that steals ram pumps. I'm curious about their whole life story and how they have arrived at this place in their life.
Use the 5 gallon bucket, don’t extend the pipe up, wrap the valve below it with foam from an old couch cushion and place a layer of same foam floating on the water in the 5 gallon bucket
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You're creating waterfall sounds, splash. Without that, noth are quieter.
Solution: rotate waste valve 20% and add a pond, a bucket catch slow ramp down instead that eliminates the splash.
And the app won't be accurate unless placed in identically the same spot for a second reading. Put it on a tripod perhaps?
try sand
Did you give your kids permission to get older? Have they chose their colleges yet ? ;)
3:48 I said it in a previous video and I'll say it again. You already have the answer because you did it on another video. When you submerged the whole unit in water it was in a pond
This tells me that if you simply got a big 55 gallon drum and built your unit inside of that drum, once the drum was filled with water, you would probably have a significant quieting effect
I understand that you are trying to test a bunch of different things, but as a scientist, if you already know the correct answer, you start with that and then you try to find improvements
You don't start reinventing the wheel with things that don't work as good as what you've already discovered
Imagine trying to develop cars again from scratch rather than improving the modern Chevrolet
Just because you're making a video doesn't mean it was content. Anybody wanted to see because you're wasting our time, because we know this isn't going to work as good as what you've shown us in the past
i would buy a ram pump from you but YOU CAGE 80 DAMN DOLLER'S WHEN I CAN BUY THE STUFF TO MAKE IT FOR UNDER $50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
$50 Is a good price. Definitely go with that.
@@LandtoHouse i plan to build 5 ram pumps and then have tons of water
Because the air pocket rises to the top of the pressure tank it would not be effective to have a horizontal tank. You could paint or camouflage the tank if it was distracting.
The cost of the brass valve is the primary reason, but also because it's difficult to tighten a pump, making sure that valve is upright and also its heavier to ship.
@@LandtoHouse i plan on putting a huge tank on the ram pump to hopefully make it take longer before it gets water logged