The Zelda Timeline Doesn't Matter! - Nintendrone
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2017
- Some of the most trivial discussions I've ever heard are those revolving around the Zelda Timeline. The conversation delves deep into the stories and history of the Zelda universe, but the discussion usually revolves around one topic. If every game in the series takes place within the same universe, what order do they go in?
Back in the day, no one really cared about it, but now it's become one of the most annoying conversations on the internet! 
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This is even funnier now with tears of the kingdom's story
So true
And the super nerds are still coping so hard trying to somehow make it fit with Skyward Sword and the rest of the timeline 😂
A 48 minute and 48 seconds rant about how you dont care about something, god I love this channel.
Its like in “The Other Guys” when Mark Wahlburg shows off his gymnastic skills “sarcastically” to make fun of people who danced and did gymnastics lmao
I love being a casual Zelda fan, means I can sit back a watch the fun.
16:24 Can that song be the norm for whenever you get pissed off and start ranting? I laugh every time I hear it now.
Sameeeee 😂 and it is the new norm thank God!!!
This is a total cop-out, but the way I see it, it is called the "legend" of Zelda. It's just the same basic story being told by different people. Much like how actual legends often get warped to barely resemble how the events actually occurred.
@S R And because of that Nintendo is now trying to create a canon timeline, but the problem with that all these games conflict with one another with their own legends and events that don't tie themselves together, therefore you get a mess.
@@JuwanBuchanan you see this happen with a lot of long running franchises like Star Wars and Marvel and DC. There’s always gonna be some asshole who gets up his own ass trying to tie everything together, even when there doesn’t need to be any connections. Yeah there were some games that were supposed to be connected but the majority weren’t and some people just can’t accept rhat
Dude, you have become one of my favorite youtubers. For two reasons, 1. You are straight up hilarious, 2. Your discussions and the way you view video games, it is casual but well thought out at the same time. I really hope and pray that your channel grows!
I need a sequel to this
First of all what the fuck? Second of all why did they do this?
Then there is Metroid, where the only problem with the timeline is that Metroid Other M is canon because of Sakamoto.
Shh. 🤫 We don't speak that name. If you do, then it will creep into your game collection and turn all Metroids into Other M. Wanna fire up Super? Now it's Other M 16-bit edition. Just got your grubby mitts on Dread? Well now it's going to give you a reason to feel dread. Found a working copy of Metroid at a local yard sale for a song? Well, I think you know what happens.
This video had me laughing my ass off at how much the whole fan made timeline winds you up.
Well thought out and well told and has earned a well deserved sub from me. I can't wait to go through the rest of your content after watching this.
He's also mad about the official timeline created by Nintendo
@BadWolf
Which makes this whole video just a tantrum lmao It's not the fault of the fans that the games have interconnected lore - the developers PUT it there. They're the ones who created all of these connections, and after writing themselves into several corners, they created an official set of Timelines to explain the connections to the best of their ability. They even state that the lore between the games are word of mouth: legends. Stories that are passed down through generations. Any inconsistencies can be chalked up to how the stories changed over time in the telling. The games are all connected, and there's a Timeline if you want it, but overall it doesn't matter. They proved that with Breath of the Wild being a full on anthology game that takes place 10,000 years after the unification of all of the Timelines because la dee da lol
@@hanburgundy4317 The timeline was not created by nintendo. It was fanmade. And they made it the the timeline because people could not shut up about it.
I mean this series is called the LEGEND of Zelda. “Legend” as in a story from the past that is believed by many people but cannot be proven to be true. “Link”, the main hero, is basically like an actual link, as in a connection. A connection to create different interpretations of the legends of Hyrule. All the Legends are not set in stone (even if Nintendo attempted to do that with the Hyrule Historia). But they are different stories told in different interpretations. Much like how a rumor can spread from one person to the next, but after about 10 or 20 different people pass down the same rumor, it begins to be interpreted differently. The point is Legends and stories, much like Zelda, are passed down from generation to generation, and can, and will, be interpreted differently depending on how someone sees the Legend of Zelda.
True, but the issue is Zelda scholar nerds are trying to create a Zelda timeline connecting all these games together and treating them as canon, when it's clearly obvious it didn't need one, and Nintendo only made it worse with BOTW.
4:00 Oh, believe me. There are people who have their own theories about the Mario universe. ranging from timelines, the series being all but a play, movies, TV shows, Books to different Dimentions. I've even got into discussions with people about the Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi games. where they believe Sticker Star and Color SPlash take place in the Book from Paper Jam while the first 3 games take place in the main series along with the Mario and Luigi series.
I'm surprised there's anything relating to that(then again, I never look 😂)
Love to rewatch
I remember when you had 500 subs man. Good job! Hope you keep growing
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HyperCharge y'know most people your age would be working at McDonald's or some crap to make money. MEANWHILE. here you are ranting about a theoretical timeline in a fantasy video game for almost an hour... Why did I grow up in this generation
UltraCraftingMC 2000 I know it's been a year, but it has to be said. If you think making a few quality videos a year means he doesn't work... Ur dmb m8
I actually think Mario has a sort of vague timeline, but it doesn't really matter.
I think the cool thing about Zelda games is that they can all sort of fit in a timeline, but at the end of the day they are all sort of just re-tellings of the same story. The same "Legend". And thats really cool to me.
The thing about timelines is that everything has to fit together, and if anything breaks the continuity, no matter how seemingly minor, the timeline doesn't work. In the case of split timelines, one thing not working might break one timeline but not the others, like how the Triforce splitting in OoT is consistent with WW but not ALttP. But the Zelda Timeline as a whole has so many inconsistencies that almost nothing works, even within split timelines.
Great video by the way.
I don't understand why people can't just accept that each game is it's own game and story unless otherwise specified 🙄🙄
Because (at least pre BoTW) all the games pretty clearly would place themselves in a part of the timeline. Zelda 1, sequel in Zelda 2, Prequel in ALttP, even FURTHER prequel in OoT, diverging timeline sequels for OoT in WW and Majora, an origin to the timeline in SS - I could go on. These are just the major titles.
There will always be a timeline, and just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean others don’t.
21:41 the solution here is time spent in the future is time spent in the past he doesn’t go back to before he drew it he goes back the amount of time he was in the future that’s why he can go back there open a chest go to the future come back, and the chest will still be open, and he can’t go back until doing the first dungeon as an adult or at least for a little while haven’t played in a long time, so can’t remember exactly details, but sheik blocks you for a while. And for twilight princess at the end of the game, Zelda uses the ocarina of time to send link to before he pulled the sword, and he warns Zelda and the kingdom about Ganon but because he had the triforce of courage when he went back in time, it caused the triforce to split, in the child era gifting it to link Zelda and Ganon again but he didn’t know this until the execution because it automatically saved him. He did not know he had it before then.
You clearly missed the part, where he questioned that exact logic.
Gannondorf was seeking the power of the triforce throughout ocarina of time’s story; there is no conceivable way that he was clueless to his possession of the triforce of power unless they intentionally wanted to delegitimize their own villain, by presenting him as an incompetent fool.
I noticed something, All of the people who freak out if there is something in two different timelines never really noticed how Tingle is in both Majoras mask and Wind Waker. No one better say that reincarnation BS
Same with Beedle. Makes no sense that Beedle existed in Skyward Sword, Wind Waker, and Breath of the Wild.
It isn't the same Tingle. Tingle in Windwaker is just mimicking the Tingle in Majora's Mask him hence why he isn't as nice as him.
@@DoctorMario606 Tingle scoffs at timelines and the mortal concerns of power and desire
What about Beedle tho, he's in *6* games
The argument I hear about Tingle most often is that WW ver. is a decendant of MM ver., though clearly that can't be the case because MM takes place in an alternate dimension. They simply can't be related. And even if they were, why would Tingle's great great great great great great great great grandson be nearly identical to his great great great great great great great great grandfather, both in looks and in maturity? Same goes for Beedle and any other recurring characters.
Pokemon Timeline: Just a puzzle gotta look at dem context clues we learned in school m8s.
Zelda Timeline: Probably like Pokemon right? RIGHT?
But was Zelda right? Does she REALLY have the triforce of wisdom? I mean, Link solves all the puzzles, becomes a veteran of a multitude of items, and takes up the "master" sword. He clearly is the one using wisdom.
Zelda's probably got the Triforce of Hiding, the Triforce of Running or the Triforce of Getting Kidnapped.
More like the triforce of kidnapped
Honestly, because courage could only get you so far with puzzles lol
@@thejonbrownshow8470 just my theory, but they have been wrong for so long that it is why Zelda in BOTW only awakens her power when she shows the courage to defend Link. My theory is that the princess has to use to Master Sword to end the cycle and permanently beat Ganon
@@adampeterson9664 hmm... Almost like link and Zelda were able to exchange triforces... I'd love for them to hop on the multiversal craze and make some else world games with the main trio there switching triforces between universes
Thank god Metroid Timeline is 100% confirmed by Nintendo themselves.
Thank god it doesn't involve time travel.
Don't count your boobies before they are hatched!
Because it is straightforward
Well it’s a real story. We be forcing Zelda timeline to link with the others when they really their own story
Fans aren't the ones writing the interconnected lore when designing the games lol Nintendo created these timelines.
This timeline was clearly a marketing gimmick for Skyward Sword lol. They have abandoned it
How does this man not have more subs
Because he keeps it real and doesn't tell people what they want to hear.
How does your voice survive these videos?
It usually doesn't. I just drink a lot of water during recording to keep my throat from dying and sometimes I'll pop a couple of cough drops if my throat hurts after.
HyperCharge oh dang Sam thatz dedication
This is exactly how I've always felt about it. There never was a Zelda timeline. It's just a bunch of games with awesome puzzle dungeons and loosely similar characters and stories. THANK YOU
I kind of knew that the timeline was bullshit the second the developers gave a non-answer to Breath of the Wild's placement in it yeah they said it would ruin fans fun or creativity trying to stick it to a timeline but I know what they really meant is "We don't give a shit, you fans can argue about this game's connections and it's continuity in realtion to the other games in the series that came before by yourselves, we're not dealing with this bullcrap!"
I don't think its a problem that Nintendo doesn't care, but rather they just wanted to try to make sense of their own canonical universe and failed and are trying to push it under the rug and focus less on connecting the universes and more on just making compelling games both play wise and story wise.
I do share the idea that Zelda didn't need a timeline at all... even if I like the idea where Link failed once in the past so you see Hyrule's downfall. they even retconned the Wise Men to the Seven Sage in the GBA remake of AlttP.
Anyway I see that many SNES game are pretty much remakes of their NES counterpart (Super Castlevania IV could've been just the first Castlevania retold and Super Metroid shares a lot with the first game)
Super Castlevania IV is the best one lol Simon's Theme slaps.
Oh gosh this channel is fucking insane! You make such an incredible, well researched content!
I just found your channel yesterday and watched nearly every video. Please don't stop this, you are doing a great job!
I couldn't care less about the Zelda timeline. All that matters to me is playing great games. A timeline, in my opinion implies that the series has an end, something which I hate to think about. It will never end. Zelda does not need a timeline to be enjoyed. Nintendo did not think much about a timeline when they did Zelda, and that's all good. The Legend of Zelda is a game series which I really enjoy and the good thing about it is that you don't have to play other Zelda games to enjoy one you want to play. The Legend of Zelda games do not need to be connected to one another. There does not need to be an overarching story. The whole discussion about the Zelda timeline is silly
OW, my brain.
Dude! I love watching videos, reading the books and playing through the games in 'chronological' order, but I am totally with you, I have a head canon of the timeline and totally don't care what anyone else thinks... at least not enough to angry about it. Found this after finding your 'reviews' of the games, awesome videos!
My take on tp, is that the triforce itself is not affected by time travel. Just as you said about the multiple universes i.e. being a parallel universe that is the secret room. Gannon Dorf would be oblivious to that he has the tri-force of power because it chose him in the past because of him obtaining it in the future.
Long story short if ganondad obtained the tfp in the future and the sacred realm is not affected by the hylian planets time travel, then the triforce of power can choose him from any time.
The only real timeline includes the cartoon from the 80s and the CDI games.
I really want this to be the video that boosts your channel. You deserve it so much.
It's like people don't know that stand-alone sequels exist.
I completely agree with everything you said in this video. Hopefully when the next Zelda game rolls around, we can just lie back and enjoy the game by its own merits.
Didn’t expect to see you here
It's gotten worse. Now Zelda nerds are saying TOTK take place in the Downfall timeline due to the "Imprisoning War" when it's obvious this Imprisoning War is different from what the timeline saids. Plus apparently the Zonai were the ones that helped the Hylians create Hyrule when there was no mention of this prior to TOTK and now fans are trying to make sense of it because the existence of the Zonai fucks up the entire creation and history of Hyrule when it's obvious Nintendo gave up on trying to establish a timeline a LONG ago.
This is now my favorite video on RUclips.
Why can't Majora's Mask fit between Ocarina of Time and WindWaker? While Link was away in Terrmina, wouldn't it makes sense that something bad happened without the hero and that the gods would flood Hyrule at that time?
Because the start of the Wind Waker timeline happens after Adult Link is sent back in time by Zelda at the end of the game, so from that point onward in that continued timeline, Link no longer exists. The Wind Waker story revolves around the idea that the timeline split in this manner.
@@HyperCharge Ok. That's good to know! Thanks! I would've preferred Majora's Mask's story fitting somehow, but it's fine.
Wish I'd have seen this 3 years ago now I've got loads of Zelda stuff lol
As a not Zelda fan yet, I always thought growing up that the series was a bunch of serial mythos, like literally everything else Nintendo lol. Zelda is about saving Zelda and being a chosen one and beating an evil wizard guy. Mario is about saving peach and beating an evil oni turtle villain. Metroid is about shooting enemies in a space themed level. Pokémon is about battling enemy Pokémon. Pretty much every game for the first twenty years of videogames did this bc videogame hardware sucked in comparison to even tech at that time. I literally had no other impression about games until all the timeline conversations lately. Even Pokémon had a few years of obsession with it, even though it was kinda obvious your trainer from two different games were two different people even if you linked them. Annoying as it is sometimes, it’s the myth. It’s like all the spin offs of Greek mythology even to this day. Which kinda bleeds into a discussion for another day about what pieces of a story make it a spin off of a myth, one among a group of myths, and what pieces are just aesthetic or window dressing.
I don't care how small your channel is. It's really hilarious.
I think just calling them all legends makes a lot more sense, what do you even need a timeline for?
If you think of the games as legends rather than timelines things make a lot more sense and are far less of a headache.
It's a combination of fans speculating a timeline and going super hardcore deep on all the games and then Nintendo desperately wanting to validate the fans when they didn't plan it out.
@HyperCharge
Nintendo are the ones that wrote the interconnected lore into the games. You act like the fans made connections from nothing and Nintendo was obligated to cater to them, but the game developers are the ones who wrote the lore.
@@hanburgundy4317Tell me you missed the first ten minutes of this video, without telling me that missed the first ten minutes.
Ehh the timeline is bullshit but at least it doesn't take away anything from the games.
Also the Demise retcon kinda undercuts the catharsis of the individual victories over Ganon since well....presumably he just comes back later because reincarnation.
Of course the Zelda timeline was an afterthought retcon, but making up theories to link them up is still a fun exercise in imaginative detective work.
Personally, I like to think that the zelda games are just a series of stories from parallel universes which all contain a Link, Zelda, and Gannondorf representing the balance of Power, wisdom and courage only some of which are connected as prequles and sequals.
I'm so fucking confused right now
Seems like this shit works out if you treat it like Final Fantasy. Some games are connected while others are just soft reboots with their own stuff going on. Works for me. Much simpler that way.
No Final Fantasy is connected. They are all stand-alone games. There are some rumours that some FF games may be connected but it is not. The only thing the FF games have in common are some names, monsters. But not connected. The same was with Zelda, they are just remakes.
holamoco When I'm referring to some FF games being connected, I'm assuming games like 13-2 and stuff like that are direct sequels. Are they not like that, though? I'm not too familiar with the series.
BluHawkGames Yes you are right.
That's kind of the way I see The Legend of Zelda. You can say that Majora's Mask is a sequel to Ocarina of Time, that the Wind Waker takes place after Ocarina of Time, and so on, but anything past that might as well be a completely separate game.
I just subscribed! I hope you do more vids in the future! They're hilarious! :)
What about the zelda for the CD-i (:
It is the direct sequel to BOTW
HyperCharge, you're one of the few people I love to hear speak for a loooooooooooooong vid. GOOD SHIT!
Every time a vid of yours pops up on my feed, I get HYPE AS FUCK. Your delivery is the shit and you're on point on everything so far. Keep it up!
This is an awesome explanation of the zelda series. I've never played a Zelda game until recently (BOTW) and there were some bits and pieces that confused the hell out of me. We all played Smash at one point and recognize that characters belong to certain series. So naturally I questioned where Sheik or Ganondorf would be in BOTW but thanks to this very detailed explanation I can play through the rest of BOTW without being confused as hell. Thanks dude
I'd recommend playing Ocarina of Time if you really want a basic overview of all things Zelda
HyperCharge Sweet, I'll get to that
Thank you so much for this! 🙏
I use to be one of those poor fools that tried piecing Together all the Zelda games into a Timeline, in Retrospect I only knew of the Zelda Timeline cause it was part of that old Zelda Retrospective that use to be up on the now Defunct Gametrailers website. For whatever reason they decided to make the Zelda Timeline part of there Retrospective, and I often feel Gametrailers and the (Angry Video Game Nerd Chronologically Confused about the Zelda Timeline episode that was made in response to the Zelda Timeline Craze that Gametrailer's unintentionally started) are the reason that the Topic of the Zelda timeline was even a thing.
I mean I don't recall anyone discussing the Zelda games connecting into a Timeline before that Gametrailers Video, and I didn't give it much thought before then. After Zelda released the official timeline, I was not happy with the Answer, I was angry at first, but in the years following the official timeline made me realize that Zelda never needed to have a Timeline, and even with the quote on quote official Timeline, I chose not to believe in it now.
I realize now it was foolish to ever try and put these games into a Timeline. Final Fantasy doesn't have a Timeline, and neither does Dragon Quest, Shin Megami Tensai, Kirby, Mario, F-Zero, and the Majority of other Japanese Video Game franchises. Playing around with Continuity and retconning old story conventions to try new things is quite common in Japanese pop Culture, it's happened with Dragon Ball, One Piece, Fullmetal Alchemist, and several other animes, it's even happened with non anime stuff like Godzilla.
Even if there are exceptions to this rule like Metal Gear Solid, Castlevania, and Kingdom Hearts, I feel like this eventually limits there creativity as they will eventually write themselves into a corner which creates a problem for future installments. When Koji Igarashi created his successor to the Casltevania series, Bloodstained, he made the smart choice of not having a timeline for these games. Even though (Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night) features a companion prologue game (Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon) but aside from being part of the same franchise, and using alot of the same characters and assets, both these games are self contained Adventures, in no way do you need to play one to enjoy the other, or understand the plot since both games are largely disconnected with self contained stories (Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon 2) even though this one clearly is a sequel to the original Curse of the Moon, it's not a continuation of that games story, as they basically ignore the events of the first game like it didn't happen.
So thing I've learned from all this, is like Video Game Timelines in general, the Zelda Timeline is pretty pointless. I'm just sorry it took me such a long time to realize that.
I love this shit, it's real shit and it's great
Closing the store at work these are one of the best things to listen to. I love how enjoyably passionate you get about the games you love while simultaneously talking about how much you hate not fans as a whole, but the really annoying or hive-minded ones. Keep up the good work buddy!
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This was a funny and entertaining vid
Love your channel and your videos. Also, let people enjoy things.
Honestly I see each one as reinterpretations of each other. Kind of like real legends. Which is why some are sequels to each other and others use similar concepts and events such as ALttP and OOT. Just a legend. Which would be great if we got a game that was meant to be a historical basis for all these "legends". A more grounded and complex game.
Would be cool to have a LOZ game where it combined every aspect of all the legends and retold it as the one true legend with the true interpretation of Link, Zelda, and Ganon. Like have the Twilight realm, Skyloft, the Temple of Time and the Sealed Grounds all exist in one universe with one hero of legend and somehow connect all these places together to get to the end goal of defeating Ganon. Which is kind of what BOTW did, but also didn't.
@@AdventureHusky BoTW was more of a reinterpretation of the original. I want a less magical version that takes place in Hyrule's actual reality.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 BOTW has everything in the timeline, it just doesn't show most of it.
@@DoctorMario606 There's no bird caps, a flood, or four Links
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Yeah, because it's the last game in the timeline. It's thought that the two timelines converged into one again, which I think is for the best because as stated in this video the Zelda timeline is stupid.
"Because it's a fucking Mario game!"
The new phrase should be "Because it's a fucking Legend of Zelda game!"
IN the beginning of the mario timeline.... a carpenter named Jumpman Mario saves Pauline from his pet gorilla, Donkey Kong, and after some Hijinks involving baby bowser and some enchanted frog yoshi helps the stork deliver them twin boys, Mario Mario and Luigi Mario. Wait, before that, the twins... and baby wario, and princess toadstool... and Donkey Kong's grandson (???) fall back onto yoshi's island, because bowser's self from the future went back in time to do..... something unexplained, AFTER ALL THAT, the twins actually make it to their parents like they were supposed to (undoing the ending from yoshi's island before restoring it). Then, in the future, E-Gadd invents a time machine and sends adult mario and luigi back to meet their toddler selves to help stop an alien invasion that was attempted in the past that's never got mentioned... because the problem was already resolved in the past from the future to stop them from taking over the world, of course! Then mario grows up to be a middle aged man, Donkey Kong Junior grows up to be slightly younger (even though he existed before mario was born???) and Donkey Kong's grandson, who was in Yoshi's Island 2 DS, is now a teenager at the same time???? Anyway, mario beats bowser a couple times. And that frog. Remember him from Yoshi's island? Yeah. He's wart. That's my theory. Even though nobody really cares about mario 2. Do I have to go on? I'm tired
but Wart was in Link's awakening! And so was Yoshi! It's all connected to the zelda timeline!
Theory: Since all games following BotW seem to be set in the same world, and since that world contains names and references to most or all previous games, I would theorize that the world of BotW is the real world, and the other games are just retellings of an ancient legend - maybe the events of 10,000 years ago - by various people from various races and generations that all live in BotW's Hyrule. Similarities are more accurate recountings of events and inconsistencies are gaps of knowledge being filled in with what sounds good. Names of places in BotW may be based on stories, or vice versa. Perhaps the events of Skyward Sword are real, and the other games are retellings of that story by later generations. Wind Waker could be a Hylian retelling of a Rito story, which would explain why the Rito appear in that game but look more Hylian than their BotW appearance. Minish Cap could be a story or derived from a story told by a grandfather to his grandchildren, whose imaginary friends were miniature people.
To everyone saying "Ohh itss a hobbbyyy"
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I thought the Zelda games were in the words of a story same game but retold with someone else telling the story
So when do we get the video about the Zelda Multiverse, lol?
The only way Ganon appears in the games is because every 100 years a gerudo king is born and that would be Ganon. You would know this by playing ocarina of time.
"Acthually" Super Mario World was in fact called "Super Mario Bros 4" in Japan but I'm glad they removed that in the west (nobody calls Yoshi's Island Super Mario World 2 nor Super Mario Bros 5)
Branding it smw2 is lame and also branding warioland smland3 is eqaully lame.
@@turtleanton6539 That was because of the marketting back then, everyone knows that Wario Land 1 isn't SML3...
Even if Yoshi's Island's gigaleak had SMB5 in the name.
I love this content! Kind of a bummer it took me this long to find this channel
Finnaly an entertaining youtuber, thank God i found your channel! Insta-subbed :D
Nintendo cares about gameplay first and narrative a distant second. The timeline is lies and afterthoughts.
This is the best video out there! I explain 90% of real life issues the exact same way. Funny and straightforward.
Also, if every Zelda is a reincarnation of Hylia, then how come two Zeldas are simultaneously alive in Adventure of Link?
And if every Zelda is named Zelda due to being a reincarnation of Hylia, then why would Coma Zelda’s brother even need to declare that all his female descendants need to be named Zelda?
That would be like me deciding to manufacture traffic lights, then holding a press conference to decree “from this day forward, green means go!”.
They aren't reincarnations of Hylia, the first Zelda from SS creates Hyrule and the royal family. Her descendants inherit the magic from Hylia's bloodline but they are not Hylia reincarnated. That's why in breath of the wild Hylia talks to you through her statues while Zelda is clearly a seperate entity.
But... where does the Hyrule racetrack from Mario Kart 8 fall in the timeline? And the time Link fights Kirby and Sonic in a pokemon stadium in Smash?
What about the secret zone in Sonic Lost World?
*Joshi* How the people of Skyloft can breath is they are suspended above the clouds? And how the people of Skyloft have an endless supply of foods, materials, and water?
Smash is Completely separeted from the cannon of all the franchises that it jas
The Hyrule Racetrack i dont know maybe Mario is part of the zelda universe lol
Damn, this was good.
I once saw a theory that stated that botw is after all the other games, when the 3 timelines come back and meld together back into 1
Hypercharge, you just pulled it off. this is the most original content yet. after seeing this, i need to spread this out to others. The only other person i've seen do this is avgn, and that's just because avgn is avgn. I hope this video gets more love, as it's the best i've seen since the paper mario vid.
People don't obsess over Super Mario because the Zelda games have enormous detail and kind of go out of there way to try and make a compelling story. Also it was interesting as hell to think of 2 timelines after OoT came out before Skyward Sword.
I find it weird they don't include Hyrule warriors in the timeline and ironically that and wind waker got me intrested in this series for the first time 2 months ago lol good thing I saw this video lol cool channel and I will follow your advice here and not care about the timeline lol you should do a Hyrule warriors uncivil synopsis btw
Thank you! This is exactly what I've been saying the whole time. Zelda time line theory is kind of "Aspy" if you know what I mean.
the fallen hero timeline... shouldn't every single zelda game have 2 endings then? why is oot so important that the Game Over screen leads to another story?
Funny Chit! I've always liked this series. I have played most of them, but not all. While I'm playing the game I find it interesting to think "When did these events happen?" I don't need a timeline. The mystery of not knowing is what interests me. I will give you props though. When I noticed the 48 minute timer I knew I wasn't going to watch the whole thing! You kept me here though. Nice Job.
Appreciate ya!
I guess the Zelda time travel and the master sword time travel work in different ways...
So after watching the first 7:25 minutes, getting to the part where it says the history isn't set in stone (while obviously pointing out the flaw that they could be talking out of their ass) is very much like our own history.
Our history is just data we've collected, our history could be massively altered at any moment because of some new discovery. Dark Souls has also attempted something like this, but have never been this blunt about what the official history is and has always left it up to fan interpretation.
It's understandable, but I just found it to be funny
Awesome work dude
Very good work. I like it.
Well Nintendo shoudlnt have created the timeline..........
No “ side of salt “ here , it’ll be the main course good sir .
Most underrated RUclips on the planet.
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Game Theory is shook after watching this
Thanks for the video. I can only speak for my generation. My Zelda timeline started in 1992 and already ended just when OoT came out. ^^ Back then I realized, that ALTTP was just a Zelda title for the new video game system SNES like Zelda 1 was for NES, so the storyline was just redone. + the Valiant Comics and promotion/concept art always were imaginative guidelines for me not just for the first two games but also very well for ALTTP. OoT broke the former continuity and the solid plot due to the new game play mechanics. Of course I liked it, the very fact to walk through (another) Hyrule in 3D and a few nice things that could have been worked into my own fictional main story/plot, but the first pictures of Wind Waker were too much, everything ever since was too messed up. Yet new Nintendo Systems again and again I haven't got the money for ^^
You're missing out. Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword are some of the best entries in the series, from both a gameplay and story perspective, and Breath of the Wild is one of the most fun for gameplay even if the plot is dumb.
I love the timeline..... And this video rocks! I love both.... How!?
Love your videos Hypercharge!
I just realised that I haven't yet completed a lot of these Zelda games and really want to play them so I have to stop watching to avoid spoilers but at the same time the video is too good.
Twinrova can be alive in the Oracle Games for two reasons - when they die in OoT they specifically say they'll come back to haunt Link. Or, since you're putting them in the Majora's Mask timeline, you can realize that in this timeline none of the adult events of OoT ever happened, including Twinrova's death.
You say the series was "never supposed to" have a timeline, but many games (The Wind Waker in particular, as you noted) clearly show that there is a continuity to the universe the games take place in. They didn't "plan it all out", sure, but they planned a lot of it, and the few loose links are fun to discuss.
And the Koroks and Rito are pretty easy to explain - Rito can just be a term for any anthropomorphic bird race, and they don't even look like WW Rito, so they aren't necessarily evolved Zora anyways. Koroks/Kokiri are literally forest spirits and can change form whenever it's convenient.
As for the "who cares" argument, the timeline arguments never dictated any order of how you play the games, nor did it mean that you had to play other games to understand the one you're on right now - we're on the same page there. The timeline is a way to see how historical events led into each other, for little "ah-ha" moments for those people who do care about larger stories.
Wasn't particularly entertaining - half of your script was "****less nerds", and you basically could've said the entirety of your thoughts in two sentences.
Never thought about the Twinrova situation that way. I suppose that does make a bit more sense when you think about it in that context.
I'm not saying that there are absolutely no connection at all, but I think those connections were never planned out very far in advance. When they were creating the Wind Waker, one of the first ideas they probably thought was, "I want Link to be sailing the ocean". They probably didn't even think about the continuity of Ocarina of Time until that single idea was finalize and they decided it would be a good explanation for why Hyrule is flooded. I think they make good connections as they come up with them on the spot, but I highly doubt that Nintendo has some kind of master document that has every story for every Zelda game.
A lot of this stuff is easy to explain, but the reasoning and logic probably don't line up with people who want to piece together the timeline. The real explanation is that Nintendo didn't care about the continuity and just wanted to put the Rito and Koroks into the game, but that's not an answer that's going to please fans who want to piece together the timeline. You can come up with all of these interesting theories as to why Link sees the same looking characters in Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time, but the real answer is that Nintendo just copied over the models because they made the game in about a year. Sure, you can explain that the Koroks and the Rito can just exist because they are a race of characters, but then that undermines the foundation that the Wind Waker setup, so why does the continuity even matter in the first place? If you can waive off every single little detail by just saying that it's a legend, or that Twinrova can just be revived and come back, doesn't that just show pointless these connections are?
Entertaining wise, it seems like a mixed bag. The people who don't really have any investment in the Zelda Timeline seemed to enjoy it, while those who genuinely cared probably didn't care for it. Personally, I didn't even attempt to try to win people over, because the fans are willing to go to ridiculous lengths to explain every little inconsistency anyways.
Well of course they didn't have a master document - our purpose in making a timeline was never to figure out where Nintendo was fitting it in some grand scheme, it was to see where it could be placed in relationship to other games.
Having an out-of-universe explanation does not mean we can't or shouldn't make an in-universe explanation. I'm not waving off the Koroks and Ritos in the Wind Waker (happens to be my favorite behind BoW), I'm saying that the Rito in BoW clearly don't resemble WW Rito and are thus probably from some other origin, and the Koroks could have many catalysts in-universe for changing form, not just a flood. What I really appreciate with BoW actually is how it challenges the conventional method of theorizing - that is, see some reference and assume it must be connected in the timeline. BoW has tons of (fan-service) references, and it's been pretty fun for me to try to find which ones have weight, which ones could really happen anywhere and thus aren't really evidence for anything, etc.
I have to agree, by the way, that Twilight Princess really screwed everything up. I've come to an explanation for it all (HH did a terrible job of explaining it), but it's so far removed from in-game information that it's basically just speculation.
I really don't like people who sporadically decide to dismiss certain evidence as "legends that didn't actually happen" - the "it's all just a legend" is just about the most frustrating thing I've ever heard someone use to justify not thinking about a certain connection between games.
I think there is a healthy balance between out of universe explanations and in universe explanations.
Sure, the whole Korok and Rito situation could have an in universe explanation, but there's also another outside universe explanation that is also plausible. When I look at any of the connections, I usually try to figure out a in universe explanation that makes sense, but if it takes too many leaps in logic, the out of universe explanation is much more believable.
Let's say something as simple as Beedle. Why does Beedle appear in Skyward Sword, Wind Waker, and Breath of the Wild? You could say that they are all ancestors, that their all not related to each other, and all sorts of explanations that do make sense. There are in universe explanations that could make sense, but most likely, Nintendo just really likes the character and put them into these games without really thinking about it that much. Both of these reasons are based on speculation, but it's more likely the out of universe explanation at this point in time. Maybe if Nintendo goes further into detail and explains how Beedle is in all of these games, I would accept an in universe explanation, but obviously Nintendo is never going to give a detailed explanation about such a minor character. Really, Beedle appearing in all of these games doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, so it's not that big of a deal, but since the connections between all of these games are so loose, it's more important than it was intended to be.
Most of the critiques in my video are more about the main plots of each game, because once you go into the minor details such as Beedle, Tingle, and other minor elements, it becomes a bit ridiculous.
At the end of the day, I don't really care that the Rito and the Koroks are in Breath of the Wild, because it's just a really good videogame. If Nintendo thinks that the game will be better by adding in these characters, then they can go right ahead, because the continuity doesn't matter that much. I think as more and more of these Zelda games are released, the discussion is going to devolve to such ridiculous explanations that you might as well drop the whole concept entirely.
Maybe Nintendo could release a new book that could bridge the gap between games in logical ways, but what do we gain from that? Does it make the games more fun? If we knew how every single character is related to every game in the series, does it impact the game in any meaningful way? In my opinion, unless the game addresses previous games in a very direct way, (i.e. the prologue of the Wind Waker) then the connection was probably not meant to be there.
Again, "meant to be there" has nothing to do with it - we're connecting games because they happen to be connectable and it's fun to make continuity. I actually really dislike Hyrule Historia for that reason - I never wanted Nintendo to force their own master timeline on themselves and on us.
And, it isn't either "in-universe" or "out-of-universe"; you can have both. We recognize that Nintendo puts stuff in games for reasons that have nothing to do with the lore. but why not make a lore-based reason on top of that?
I think lore based reasons usually work, because their not that hard to explain, but those explanations aren't going to make sense forever. You think up all of this in-universe lore to explain why these games connect, but then Nintendo will just carelessly create something new that going to ruin that explanation. It's only a matter of time until Nintendo releases another Zelda game that conflicts with what you already come up with. So then you create a new theory that somehow explains this recent change, but then Nintendo releases another game that conflicts again. After a while, it just becomes a giant goose chase where your constantly trying to make sense of everything. Now, it's a fun discussion to have, but after a while, it's hard to feel invested when Nintendo is coming up with conflicting information right on the spot.
This is where we're going to disagree, but I don't find that fun in the slightest. You can constantly create new in universe explanations, but at this point, I've come to accept the fact that Nintendo just designs these games as individual experiences and it saves me from a ton of this frustration. Again, these in universe explanations can make sense and will make the series feel consistent, but I'm just not invested anymore.
Truth about Breath of the Wild = a game full of Easter eggs referencing earlier games purely for the sake of making long time fans go 'Hey! I recognize that! Cool!'
Fan reaction to Breath of the Wild = the Easter eggs are significant evidence hinting to its placement on a timeline that never really existed aside from when Nintendo thinks they can use it to make more money selling books detailing it to fans...then they just make up whatever sounds good.
Sometimes an Easter egg is just an Easter egg and has no actual significance. This is how I treat them. If I were to place it on a timeline...it would be placed so far into the future that it may as well be an alternate universe for all the significance past installments have to the plot and backstory. Which is minimal at best.
Personally, I don't take all this timeline stuff seriously. Do I have my own made up continuities for the games fall on? Well, yeah. I just don't share them. I'm a writer. It amuses me to imagine the ways all the myriad stories of the Zelda games might connect. It's basically a puzzle game I play to see how many alternate connections I can come up with that make narrative sense. That is the challenge of it: tying everything together in a way that is both simple and makes sense. It's not easy because the games clearly weren't conceived of as being a cohesive narrative. But that's kind of what makes it fun. Yet I am just as happy to play the games on their own and NOT think about how they link together. I just enjoy the game on its own merits. Which is what was always intended. So why take all of this seriously? I don't, and I'm still having just as much fun as I always have.
Basically, I agree with this video and the opinions shared within it...though perhaps not the angry tone. Mostly because I'm more inclined to just roll my eyes and shake my head at the whole timeline discussion. It's silly, but not worth getting angry over. ....Wow, this got long...
That's kind of the way I see it. I might see if they're making any connections to previous games, but unless they're being very specific, then it's probably not that thought out.
At the end of the day, I don't actually give a shit. Talked into a mic for about an hour or two, edited the video, and then moved on with my life. I think my personality really throws some of these people on the defense, when most of my videos are done in the same exact manner.
Oh shit!!! New video!
Not looking for trouble here but I would love to see a Mario timeline. The closest we have in the Mario & Luigi series. As for Zelda I understand the frustration as I was mad as well when Breath of the Wild completely messed up the timeline. However imagine if all the Zelda spin-offs were canon that would suck and you'd be ripping out money from your wallet all the time to buy the games. Going back to Mario here, if or when Mario gets a timeline I will dispose of all the non-canon games and just keep all the games I find fun.
There are some pretty clear connections for the Mario games. For example, Mario Sunshine takes place after Super Mario 64, Super Mario World takes place after Super Mario Bros 3. The thing is, no one really cares about it that much, because the timeline would literally add nothing when you think about it.
If Nintendo gives us a Mario timeline, it would be pretty interesting, but it's not like it matters that much when all Mario does is save Princess Peach from Bowser. While I dislike the timeline for Zelda, I still see the appeal in trying to figure it out. Zelda has very specific call backs like the Triforce, the Master Sword, the Temple of Time, while Mario kind of lacks reoccurring elements like that.
I think the Mario Timeline is just the release order of the games, The only contradiction to this is if you believe MatPat stupid theories
This is what I've been arguing about all the time. The timelines are bullshit. Except for the direct sequels, the rest of the Zelda game are Remakes for a next generation consoles or handheld (gameboy, gameboy advance). THE ZELDA GAMES ARE JUST REMAKES!
It could be that TP Ganondorf never had the Triforce of Power up until his execution. But just before he died, sealed OoT Ganondorf also died, thus transferring the ToP to TP Ganondorf.
It's kinda hard to explain my theory, so bear with me. I should start by saying that I'm assuming the ending of OoT where Link goes to meet Zelda actually works out somehow. Link going from after Ganondorf attacked to way before he attacked doesn't make sense, so I'm assuming that inconsistency is ironed out.
So, Ganondorf was sealed away at the end of OoT along with the ToP. Link then returned to past, right before he drew the Master Sword. We see at the end of TP that killing a Triforce holder causes them to lose their piece of the Triforce. Therefore, I would assume that if sealed Ganondorf were to die, he'd lose his ToP and it would return to its place in the Sacred Realm. I also assume that there can't be more than one ToP, ToW or ToC at the same time.
In WW, Link has to find shards of the ToC, which suggests that at a previous point in time, the ToC broke apart. I theorize that this happened when Zelda sent Link back in time. She sent him to a time before he had acquired the ToC, meaning that the past he returns to already has a ToP, ToW and ToC. Since there can't be more than one ToC at a time, the ToC Link has when getting sent back explodes into pieces. But since Link is supposed to have the ToC when he returns to the past, he gets the one residing in the Sacred Realm. So when Link walks out of the Temple of Time, there is no longer a complete Triforce in the Sacred Realm.
I always assumed the Sacred Realm existed beyond the flow of time. This would mean that when Link walked out of the Temple of Time, there was not only an incomplete Triforce in the Sacred Realm but a sealed Ganondorf as well. As before, there cannot be two of the same thing in the same place at the same time, so if sealed Ganondorf were to die, his ToP wouldn't be able to go back to its rightful place since a new one was essentially created when Link went back in time. So the only thing keeping Ganondorf's ToP in the Sacred Realm is Ganondorf himself.
Now, Link with his ToC joins Zelda and together they convince the King that Ganondorf is actually a threat. In the end, Ganondorf is captured and sent to die in the Arbiter's Grounds. He is pitted against Stalnox and expected to die, but using his dark magic he is able to kill it instead. Ganondorf is then brought before the Sages, who decide to execute him themselves. They impale him with their sword and his life force begins to fade.
Right as this happens, OoT Ganondorf, who was sealed in the Sacred Realm along with the ToP, dies. As previously stated, there cannot be two of the same thing in the same place at the same time, so with the Sages gone and thus unable to resolve the situation themselves, Sealed Ganondorf's ToP is forced out of the Sacred Realm and back into Hyrule. At this point in time, Ganondorf should have had the ToP, but since Link changed things by not drawing the Master Sword when he was supposed to, Ganondorf has been captured and executed instead. Since Ganondorf was supposed to have the ToP, when it gets forced out of the Sacred Realm it goes to him. Just as the life is fading from his eyes.
Ganondorf recovers, retaliates and kills the Sage of Water. The remaining Sages seal him away in the Twilight Realm. The whole thing is then covered up and all anyone knows is that Ganondorf was successfully executed and is no longer a threat. Once Link is satisfied that Ganondorf is no longer an issue, he decides to go on a personal journey, which eventually takes him to Termina. When he leaves Hyrule, his ToC stays behind and returns to the Sacred Realm, where it joins the two other pieces and forms a complete Triforce once again.
8:27 Why does the original Zelda boxart look like the flag of Castile and Leon?