MARINE RAIDER REVIEWS DEN OF THIEVES MOVIE | Nick Koumalatsos
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- When Den of Thieves came out, I all of a sudden was bombarded with messages from social media asking what was my take on the movie. I did not understand why until someone told me they were portraying Marine Raiders from MARSOC. Being a former Marine Raider myself I decided to weigh in on what I thought of the movie.
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MARINE RAIDER REVIEWS DEN OF THIEVES MOVIE | Nick Koumalatsos
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When that guy fired the saw from the hood of the car and then left it, I would have run up and taken that bad boy home the moment the cops were out of sight.
@@dennishaslam5968 Wrong dennis! I would have been a SAW owner! First rule for the low IQ: Always accuse others of what you are and what you do! LOL
haha...lol
Cole Johnson or he just has a selective reading issue big problem with the snowflakes of today
@@dennishaslam5968 so taking a gun you found makes you a cop killer? you're a democrat arent you
AKAT1980 I see cats like this on a daily..nothing new.
My only gripe with this film was the end where the police engage a group of heavily armed special forces veterans on a gridlocked highway with cars full of bystanders. Really? Can you imagine the collateral damage? The law suits?
So the north Hollywood shootout?
mike C -Kinda. Empty parking lot vs gridlocked highway.
Anthony (Tony) Rich Same
@@mikec8086 worth noting that the north Hollywood shootout has since been a what not to do training scenario for law enforcement all over the country. Most police departments wont even engage in a high speed chase if it gets over a certain speed these days.
I was like totally wrong location for a fucking onslaught why did they do that everything else was good oh and the no way in hell the black dude with emp made it out of the fed the feds security was called on him but then the cop task force picked him up just was to impossible but still badass plot and badass cast tight movie the music was original too like that soul searchy, pads, kinda like I don't know what it would be called but ya know
What pisses me off is why Hollywood don’t hire military vets for movies like this. So they can correct stuff like MARSOC “FAST Teams” or the fact no one gets a tattoo of the spade.
not true, Act of Valor actually had SEAL team 3 and SWCC members on cast. The time for production was long because of their deployments
KEKistani that’s one movie
They could hire vets to do the movies. That way deployments and service doesn't get in the way. I know for sure myself and some of my battles would be hyped to do a military movie.
OG FROGMAN the green zone also used real military vets. I believe they were in between deployments.
Waterborne Sapper I understand there are movies like Lone Survivor and other military movies that do bring in vets. But there are far fewer than they should.
I trained in Pendleton with my Trailer Platoon in 2001 and LA Sherriff's SEAT team came and used our live-fire shoot house for CQB training because one of the deputies was a Reconnaissance SNCO who had transitioned to USMCR. He used his USMC active duty ties to bring his whole team to the RECON/SOC/STG training area. They were very capable.
I thought the same thing. A Marine Raider team would cut down any law enforcement unit until the national guard or some other heavily armed force shows up to overwhelm them by numbers. I hate the sound of that match up but let's be real.
NV SNAKE I think a decent sized city (like LA) with a SWAT team could neutralize a group of MARSOC guys. Heavy loses, maybe, but large city SWAT teams are no joke. There’s also the FBI SWAT & HRT, that might be available, and again, heavily trained.
@@MrTangent A SWAT team could definitely present a challenge but they are not neutralizing a Raider Team. You watched the video right? MARSOC have far more training and greater combat experience. Also too, Raider Teams have equipment that even a SWAT team might not have like a SAW MG, M203, AT4s (rocket launchers), mines etc. HRT has a better chance since most members are former military and often served in a Special Operations Force. I've seen SWAT guys train. Most of the time, they have Air Force and Navy backgrounds, some no military background at all. LA's SWAT sees action for sure but it is not the same as real combat overseas when Raider Teams are often outnumbered and pinned down by RPGs, mortars, and heavy automatic MG fire.
@@nvsnake1489 you're acting like a raider team would have all those resources available to them in this type of situation. In reality, we both know they won't.
@@michaelturner224 In reference to the film, the so called Raider Team had a SAW, automatic weapons, explosives and other sophisticated equipment needed for the heist. If they were able to obtain these items then it isn't hard to believe they could get other military grade equipment if they wanted to. If someone suggests a SWAT team has ex Rangers/SEALS or SF members than you're basically talking about SOF vs SOF and this whole thread went spiraling into a shitty debate. It seems no one really knows anything about MARSOC in general and what they are capable of.
A good majority of the police officers involved with SWAT or any other “Special Unit” of that caliber come from military backgrounds such as Army (SF, or Rangers) Marines etc. so I think it’s safe to say they can hold their own against Marine Raiders (or anyone for that matter) normal street cops on the other hand, that’s a different story...and even then some of those guys are vets too so they’re no stranger to taking fire!
For years there have been movies trying to be a better version of the movie Heat. I have yet to see it.
Also, being in law enforcement myself for over 13 years I have to agree with you. In an all out shootout the Marine raider team or pretty much any other tier one/tier two special operations team would have the upper hand
However, if your a competent investigator you would know better then to engage them in a blunt force way. Generally, people have weak points in a 24 hour period. In a real life scenario once LE has identified and located the bad guys, knowing full well that it would be a bloodbath in a shootout, they would spend countless hours conducting surveillance, hoping to catch a time when they spent a night partying before they all pass out at 5am drunk. The idea is to move in at those times. Not to get in a shootout in a traffic jam with innocent people sitting in cars directly in the line of fire.
But then again, that would make for a boring movie LoL
Sounds like it could be a good movie with the right writing 🤔
Thanks for the information
I fully concur that the big shootout in Heat is the gold standard of movie firefights. The technical advisor for that scene was a former British SAS operator and he taught Val and the boys all about maneuvering toward the cops and laying down suppressive fire. Also, the speed and dexterity with which Val switches magazines is used in actual training by the Marines.
Little late to this but I would guess any law enforcement outfit especially local law enforcement would try to have a shit ton of officers Cordon off the area and slowly close in. Would not be logical to send in a small group of minimally trained cops if you know your suspects are a Team if Special Operations guys who have spent years in gun fights who also have a fucking m249 SAW lol That said I give people to the Cops who still put their lives on the line regardless
I honestly don't think any filmmaker is trying to be a BETTER Heat. They're simply inspired, and are often unafraid of admitting it, i.e. The Town. Nothing wrong with being inspired and influenced. Paying homage.
Marine Veteran here Motor T. I drove allot of Force Recon Marines to training, Ranges, and numerous Ammo Runs for them. I got to know the Men well since I did allot of FARP runs for them in DS. I was in Before MARSOC and the Raiders. 88-96. Uhh yeah Law enforcement does not have the mental, Physical or tactical training and especially the marksmanship under insane stress. Thanks for the Review, never heard of this movie I'll have to check it out.
While it is true that the marsoc guys would win this, are you familiar with LA city or county SWAT teams ( yes, I know the sheriff calls his something else)? I know the city ones pretty well, these guys aren't a joke, they train... a lot...even with some special operations troops from time to time. In fact, some are former military, and yes they do have the tactics and marksmanship. They would do better than you think.
@@slamdancer1720 swats good until people start shooting back like cases with bums and gang bangers, its not about their capability but they are ordered to do once people shoot back
They are like Roman's . The way the fight is the way they think
those weren't regular cops though. They also had a ton of custom gear and proper armored vests. I'd say they were probably closer to swat. Maybe some task force.
Imagine if a couple of guys from MARSOC really did this. I don’t think law enforcement and SWAT would be able to take them down, at least not without sustaining at least heavy, if not some casualties.
then again, you gotta remember alot.of.ex military join up the police force, though they'd still be ill equipped compared because the marsoc robbers would still have automatics compared to the standard issued guns of the police
Yea but unless they got out of the country they'd still be outnumbered.
@@hcctendeep7047 19% of cops are former military but 2% of the military is special forces. Just being former military doesn’t put you on par with a team of special forces
@@hcctendeep7047 ex military doesnt mean jack. majority of the military arent combat trained
Law enforcement uses automatic/semi as well@@hcctendeep7047
Did you notice Max Holloway and Micheal Bisping were in the movie (for my ufc fans)
Zeewaqar Ali
Hell yes! Max is my boy! It is what it is.
@@johnwicksfoknpencil surprise surprise the king is max blessed era baby
Stay Blessed
And Oleg Taktarev(part of Maxs crew)-- early UFC champ, and been in many movies
What's the story with Bisping retiring because he's going blind?
Law enforcement would not be able to handle that style of fighting
@Fail Zero who was the guy?
And they should never be trained to either or the public would be fucked.
Knight-Sgt. Reyes uh what? ever heard of the dallas sniper? he was in the military and went on a killing spree on cops
@@sufferyetgain key phrase in the military, doesn't mean shit, mostly pogs, not special operations
matthew ihaioahO i know but i’m just saying anyone can snap or go crazy especially with PTSD
As a marine veteran the thing that sold me was the extra details as far as training they gave the team like counting range and identifying incoming targets, etc. It's honestly a good approach for veteran criminals in a film.
I thought it was odd when the former Raiders didn't advance on the cops when they made contact around the cars.
they were simply trying to flee. Engaging them would cost time and you risk additional police/ swat showing up too.
I agree street level police dont get enough training in team tactics. It has bumped up alot since the Columbine massacre and even more so after Virginia Tech, San Bernardino, Cicis pizza Las Vegas and of course October 1st massacre in Las Vegas.
Police are getting Mactac and alerrt techniques mostly carried over straight from SF teams with a decade of combat experience. The down side....if a marson team went head to head with the cops they helped train....marines will win most likely (if they use frags lol) in a long projected fight though....cops will win by sheer numbers and air support and robots strapped with C4 (like what they used in Dallas)
Also there a lot of cops that are prior military. Also larger departments are creating units specialized for the types of things however they are typically more generalized. As things happen in the world, police have to adapt. Then again this is also Hollywood.
Haha I watched and when I heard MARSOC Fast team I just had to laugh and my wife is just sitting there going what so funny. Have to love Hollywood, I thought the movie was pretty good. Semper Fi brother
dude meant marsoc/fast team marines,fast plt then selection,then marsoc
I had the same reaction.
MARSOC Fast teams are good, but not as good as MARSOC SEALs.
Detailing Diaries All trash compared to the Delta Rangers. Pamper Fi.
@@ChozenFTW I served in the Special Air SEALs and earned my Green Beret, so I think I know who's best.
Heres a new one, Nick. "All the Devils Men." Currently on Netflix, I was *VERY* impressed.
Steve Witte I thought that was a good movie, I really enjoyed it.
I liked it as well. Some good gunplay from Mel Gibson's son.
that was quite good.
It was a very good movie
Just watched it this weekend after seeing this comment. I liked it a lot!
Law enforcement would get run over by those bad guys.level of training is way different
A little detail I haven't seen anyone mention was Gerard Butler's character having a Regulators tat on his forearm. Maybe a fantastical explanation as to why he and his crew are a bit more trained and better equipped for certain situations.
I don't think most law enforcement would stand a chance against a regular 03xx squad to be honest. Unfortunately just like you said, not enough time, money, or experience... Semper Fi
Yeah I have to disagree, lance cooly squad would destroy majority of Leo’s. This is coming from an 0311 and current copper
Lol not disagreeing with you but most of the thin blue line guys who think they’re hot shit
I think you are under estimating LEOs and their capabilities. Good thing we are all supposed to be part of the same team
SLR z man we are all on the same side. I’m a veteran of the marine corps and the army, also a law enforcement officer/swat. But the leo side is lacking in almost every aspect, whereas the military ehhh not so much.
op4 Security word, most don’t ccw once off shift, go to the gym, maintain height/weight standards etc etc swat does better but still one team one fight and it’s a struggle with most departments to invest into patrol like they do swat. It’s a shame honestly
Love all these reviews from Vets, just wanna say love these reactions and reviews and also wanted to say thank you for your service, sending respect from Canada 🇨🇦
A police unit would be in trouble with any military unit, special forces community or not. Thank the lord that most military vets are pro law enforcement, or at least tolerate police. I wish we could train tactics more often but we cannot. Budget, time, and over working normal duties lead to lazy and untrained police. Some, who recognize the issue, work together in their free time but it still is not enough. I'm lucky to be in a small specialized unit so we do train together more then the rest of the department. A lot of guys show up to work and pray nothing happens while they are on duty. I can say this a pray I never end up in a situation against a trained unit of military guys because I'm in trouble. 10 plus years as LEO
Yeah. Just imagine if a group of delta force, Marine Raiders, or SEAL's popped up. God wqtch over you then. From the USMC god bless you man.
A lot of police are former military personnel. I personally believe police training and tactics are good for their purpose and the same of the military BUT the are made for different environments. To say that a military unit would crush the police in my eyes is a very silly hypothetical. There are a lot of variables that is even pointless to point out. In my opinion. I am a military vet/ former police officer and a current State Trooper
Look at the Miami-Dade shootout, between eight FBI agents and two bank robbers, one of the bank robbers was a former Army Ranger, he was able to kill two FBI agents and injured the others.. He was finally killed by one of the injured FBI agents though.. But two guys were able to give eight FBI agents one hell of a fight, that's crazy..
@@jessieh.8443 true story
@@LouisianaAstroRambler did they have better hardware i.e. guns??
so I was actually in 29 Palms when this movie came out. They showed it on base a week early in a theater full of other marines and we all frekin loved it. but I already know what Nick is probably going to say about the way the portrayed Raiders, like, yeah the choreography was good, and you feel a lot of professionalism off them, but idk man, raiders who mag dump and hit nothing?
its called suppressing fire are you sure your a marine?
even machine gunners who suppress fire might hit a bunch of enemies. Bullets ricochet.
I was at the same showing.
You must be a video game player
I was in 29 Palms when they showed free advance screenings of "Jarhead" and "300." Good shit.
Do more movie reviews dude! Solid work!
Cool review, Bring back Tactical TUESDAY'S!
okay just saw this flick ... Nick got me curious ... it was a cool flick that's all I'll say to not give anything away ... however, the one scene that caught my attention and I thought was epic was when the boyfriend came to pick up the daughter. The trip into the garage was outstanding! When my daughter brought her first boy friend home I had my 125 lbs Malamute (whose head was the size of basketball) give him the sniff down - I thought this guy almost pissed himself, but this scene that takes the cake!
How the fuck did you get your rank next to your name?
@@The0590628 He's a paying member of Nick's Channel. Click the "Join" button for more info.
Always wonder who they get as advisors and how quick those advisors quit.
The problem is, to hollywood a Military advisor is a military advisor... so you might get a former Army Ranger advising actors who are playing MARSOC Marines...
Plus in the case of this movie... Military advisors’ roles usually focus on the physical movements and actions. They usually don’t have military advisors for the script itself.
For example, my cousin graduated West Point and went into the Night stalkers (160 SOAR) and was a Blackhawk pilot. His team and aircraft were sent by the army to Morocco to for the filming of Black Hawk Down. He is the pilot of the lead Blackhawk in all of the shots of the helicopters flying...
But!!! The movie had several military consultants on the film (none of the guys from the 160th were considered advisors. They were there just to fly the blackhawks). While shooting the director was trying to get one of the actors to record the distress call written into the script. My cousin happened to be sitting there... all the advisors had no problem with the actor’s performance because none of them were Blackhawk pilots. My cousin quietly mentioned to the AD “that’s not how a Blackhawk pilot would report one of his team going down”... so the AD approached the director... the director came up to my cousin... and my cousin started coaching the actor... but for whatever reason the actor couldn’t get the intensity... so they recorded my cousin saying “mayday, mayday, Blackhawk down” through the coms system in his Blackhawk and that is what you hear in the film. My cousin had to sign all these releases to allow them to use it and his performance is uncredited...
But it shows how a military advisor to hollywood is just a military advisor and a lot of times they get the specifics wrong because their training and field of service was different from what the movie needs...
That is why movies like Lone Survivor end up being so good and realistic... for Lone Survivor they had Marcus personally train the actors and oversee the film shooting.
If anyone veterans are interested in getting into military consulting/advising for films, you should start with groups like Veterans In Film and Television (VFT) and US Veterans’ Artists Alliance (USVAA). It really helps if you live in or near LA. There are also companies that the studios go to, to find vetted military advisors like Musa Military Entertainment Consulting, Force 1, and others.
One thing I always hear military advisors say to younger guys is “go to film school”. So that could also be another place to start. Having knowledge of how films are made is essential for being an advisor so taking film classes can help a lot. Plus when you start out you will be doing a lot of student and low budget indie films to gain experience, so if you are in film school you will be “the guy” for all the student projects. It’s like what Michael Giacchino did as a composer. He wanted to score films so instead of going to music school he went to film school and was literally the only composer surrounded by aspiring film makers. He ended up scoring all the student films and making friends with EVERYONE! And it let to a lot of work for him after they all graduated. Google him and you can see some of the films he has done (lots of huge blockbusters).
Also there are a lot of other careers in film/tv that vets go into a lot... most armorers/weapons specialists for film/tv are veterans, most Prop masters usually tend to be vets, and of course a lot of the pyrotechnic/explosives experts on set are former vets.
I met a navy demolitions/ordinance guy at a gun range outside LA a couple months ago and he was saying after he gets out he wants to go into film/tv. I forget what his exact title was but he said he basically builds all different types of bombs and explosives for the navy. He did naval mines, depth charges, anti ship explosives packages for seals, etc... he said you name it, he builds it... and he was saying there is a lot of demand for people like him in hollywood. I could see that. Think of all the controlled explosions that happen on set, not just action movies either... car crash explosions, house fire explosions, etc.
Anyway... from what I’ve been told, it is very competitive for military advisors. But who cares!!! If you are interested you should go for it! Follow your dreams, because if you don’t someone else will!
That has always been my motto... and now (and for the past 17 years) I get to wake up and make music for a living (I make/produce music for TV and Film). It doesn’t even feel like a real job! Hahaha carpe diem!
Agm Smith its total b.s. he didn't get any creditidation for his contributions in BHD. It speaks volumes about Ridley Scott and team. Is he at least listed as "Pilot 1" in the end credits?
Joe Butta ... as far as I know he couldn’t. I’ll check. Because he was there on behalf of the Army I don’t know if he could be listed. Also he was active duty in the 160th at the time so that could also be why they didn’t list them and just thanked the army in general I. The credits Maybe some of the paperwork he filled out was a Taft Hartley agreement, I don’t know. I’ll ask him when I see him over Christmas.
But, it’s also very common to not get credits in films. Most of the tv shows I mix the scores for I don’t get credit for in the credit scroll. They just credit the composers I work for. Unless you are in the union it is very hard to get an onscreen credit.
Problem I had was the final firefight....no way he would've just burned up a 100 rd SAW belt and they had the cops channeled. I dunno...I think a real world firefight there would've played out differently. But that's just me.
Have you ever shot a hundred round belt out of a SAW?
@@ryanjohnson1265 Yes!.....Knob Creek KY.
When they broke out the SAW - those 100 5.56 rounds would’ve torn through the cars and half of the cops after them in that final shootout. No way ever ever would the cops get the upper hand on them
This is just a remake of HEAT. Review The Way Of The Gun. Not enough people know about that awesome movie
Way of the gun good flic
I've seen HEAT multiple times, and to this day don't understand why people keep saying that. Similar scenes that show inspiration, sure, but remake? Lol? Each is their own, Den of Thieves very clearly had inspirations from movies like HEAT, but that's about it. It's a good thing in my book, they did good with the movie aside from the small bits Nick pointed out. Would definitely like to see him review The Way of the Gun though, that's a dope movie.
Heat was way better
@@supreme31690 No arguing that, best heist movie ever made IMO
Way of the gun was a great movie( pleasantly suprised.)
Okay. I missed that part. I thought like one guy or two did time in FAST. as in not all were from MARSOC. I 3 years in FAST the local police would train on our ranges and every now and then SWAT would nut up and challenge us to team on team. If we defended or assaulted SWAT was murdered. Can't imagine SWAT against an SF team.
Just got to 29 Stumps myself as a 0621 and from the review I laughed my ass off when they talked about MARSOC, great video loved it
@@NickKoumalatsos82 I think it would, I don't see why it wouldn't, everyone gets to see glimpses of the film your opinion on it and Marine Corps knowledge (MARSOC FAST Team LMAO)
@@NickKoumalatsos82 ya would be nice to get opinions and feedback about videos before they goes totally live
This movie was a cheap version of HEAT and the Usual Suspects
Diesel somebody finally said it !
Not sure I saw them helping a whole lot of people just killing a bunch of cops (who are civilians in my eyes)
I was just thinking the movie reminded me of HEAT.
Those who say this movie is "decent" (it really isn't) should see Heat and The Usual Suspects. Both of those are true examples of quality film-making.
@@Black-yr3ck Agreed! HEAT is one of my favorite movies and the first chunk of this was a near clone. That being said, still a good action flick to watch.
Same thoughts, I remember the end scene and I was thinking there is no way a real MARSOC team would get decimated by team of Sherrif deputies. Marines whether grunt or Raider are trained to bring the hate mission oriented, to where the cops would have to hesitate due to the civilians in harms way. Also why not hire former or active Marines to play roles with limited lines in order to at least make it seem more genuine? Decent movie though good twist etc.
Salute, Nick! Semper Fi, Leatherneck, for your input. I might go check it out.
The only LE team with similar credentials to a MARSOC team is the FBI’s HRT.
I just saw this movie on Netflix today. It also had me laughing when they said MARSOC FAST Marines & scratching my head when they left the SAW behind. Regardless it was a good movie & Semper Fi :)
this is not a new concept however, the first Rambo where Stallone a former Green Beret or in SF goes against the local Sheriff but its more like him alone vs the entire department lol
For those of you being swindled by a recruiter into going Security Forces with the intentions of being with FAST, they are known by the rest of the Marine Corps as “Fake Ass Seal Teams” Basically they think they’re operators and they’re not...at all 🤣🤣🤣
As a FAST guy I I agree that we are definitely know as a Fake Ass Seal Team. But I don't know anyone in FAST that thinks we're special at least in my platoon. We did get more training opportunities than most line units though. But that's just from my experience comparing fast to 3rd reg.
Jonathan Bumstead in my experience when I was in, every FAST guy we got to my unit thought they were hot shit and got a huge wake up call when they realized that the only thing they got consistent training in while with FAST was MOUT,and they were considerably behind when it came to almost everything else.
@@clevelandindians Doc approves both comments, experiences may vary.
Most security force marines are trash because they get NCOs from the fleet who suck and dont care to teach them anything
Chandler Craythorn if they “suck” as you say,why would you want to learn anything from them? you sound like a disgruntled security forces marine with a grudge against fleet marines...
Would've made a better matchup if instead of just sherriffs they used the FBI HRT or the US Marshals SOG teams. Would make more sense being, the HRT especially, prefer former military special operations personnel to fill their ranks.
Not only does make sense tactically, but in terms of their job descriptions it makes more sense.
Bank robberies are definitely fall under FBI jurisdiction and fugitive apprehension is certainly US marshals speciality. Local LEO's just aren't equipped for stuff like that.
HRT is a much more highly equipped and trained unit as well, I’m pretty sure there training pipeline is based off of CAG
Plus some of there kit includes GPNVG18s, a 40k piece of nvgs that mostly tier one units only have access to, they have SOF level kit at their disposal that even Former raider guys in the civilian world would probably have a hard time getting there hands on without a bunch of money at their disposal
DUUUUDE This was awesome. Do more of these, like Shooter or Taken or the Transporter
I’m a former Marine, not MARSOC, but Marine. And, I’m a ex cop, now 100% disabled veteran. Law enforcement isn’t nearly as tactically trained as infantry marines. Law enforcement has a job to do, training is secondary and it costs a city a lot of money for occasional training in criminal law and procedure and a myriad of other things, let alone tactical, infantry type tactics. Since the columbine shooting in ‘99, there’s been an effort to train patrol for active shooter scenarios, since they will be the first ones on scene. SWAT (sit, wait, and talk) usually takes a good hour or more to assemble, brief, and get on scene. By then everyone is dead, including the shooter. Again, the hours, and days of military style training doesn’t exist. Law enforcement gets some basic stuff, and they can opt out of taking action because there is no law that requires the police to risk their lives, believe it or not. I’ve worked with officers who have said, this is good overtime, regarding the training, but they aren’t gonna enter a building with an active shoot and get shot. They said they’d wait for SWAT. And that shows there’s a different mentality as well. I’m not knocking my former career and the men and women who dedicate their lives to protecting the public, but they aren’t warriors.
" SWAT (sit, wait, and talk)"
That's hilarious, and funny because it's true!
Semper Fi!
michael meissner sit wait and talk lol. Yea police aren’t usually rushing and bringing the fight to criminals like spec ops guys, but cops do get a lot of hate for shooting someone so I guess they kind of have
Just the short clips you've shown got me excited. I gotta watch this movie.
What's the comparison between how well trained Marine Raiders are vs how Hollywood made them look
Would you be interested in being a military liaisons for a movie someday
@@NickKoumalatsos82 Quick question, aren't most LA law enforcement nowadays exmilitary?!?
The reason I ask is because most law enforcement that work in small units (like Butler's team in the movie) in large crime cities normally are.
@@RobotRebelCinema that doesn't make them ex special forces though. Alot of cops are ex Infantry cats that did one to two terms. Maybe toss a deployment in there. Lose out on those skills pretty quickly
Never use “ex” when describing a veteran bro
Great review of the movie. Living on the east coast and in an area where Marine Raiders live and shoot local competitions I will say this in regards to your statement about law enforcement. Majority of law enforcement would not be able to handle a group of guys with small unit tactics and planning. However, if we are talking about squared away law enforcement officers/swat team guys that have the same type of “fire power” they are more than capable of holding their own against a couple of special operation guys. Of course there would be casualties on both sides but there are teams out there capable of handling these type of incidents. I’ve shot plenty of competitions against Marine Raiders in the area and there are some super squared away guys and others that can’t shoot any better than your AVERAGE officer. I understand a comp is not the same as reacting to contact but it would be foolish to think there are no LE teams out there that can’t hold their own.
Thanks for the video man. You echoed my thoughts (which means I got lucky). In reference to the L.E. guys being able to hold their own against the marsoc guys, there are two things I think the movie hoped(?) we would assume. #1 the cops were such low-lifes who enjoyed the action so much, they had put in much more time on trigger and learning tactics than most cops #2 the cops were all prior military also...? Otherwise (and it pains me to say it being prior law enforcement myself) the cops had a snowball’s chance in hell
Thanks for the review (and not giving spoilers lol). I had not heard of it but will definitely check it out.
Great review. Again hollyweird is glorifying gun violence to make a profit while publicly condemning gun ownership. Not having tatical training other than the classes required to obtain a gun permit in The People's Republic of Massachusetts I can only comment on the entertainment factor which is ok. Hollywood uses predictable models so as not to risk money on experimental movies so for me it seemed pretty familiar story. Keep up the videos 💪 👍
People's Republic Of Massachusetts??? I Love It.
@Blake Crochet movie guns never run out of bullets.
Ruh Roh, I was a MARINE, a Philly Detective, and Federal Agent ( just retired as Homeland Security SPECIAL AGENT) Awesome!!!
MARSOC "FAST" team? Okidokie.....
Your videos on the difference between Raiders and MARSOC are pretty cool. I'm just a grunt. 0311. '09-'13. My job in Afghanistan was a I.E.D. Detection Dog Handler. I like learning about the more high speed MOS's in the Corps.
Semper!!!!
Is getting the tattoo of the MARSOC spade equivalent to a marine getting a tattoo of his boot camp training unit?
It's the equivalent of a marine getting a tattoo of the division he's serving in. It's just whack.
@@MrMrsJr I knew I guy named french who got the 2/8 emblem on his shoulder. Then again he went to rehab twice and got kicked out so
Love the movie reviews dude keep em coming!
One marine would have killed them all in the traffic scene!
I dont know about all of that, seen plenty of marines with pizza boxes on there chest
It’s a movie...
To dovetail on the MARSOC FAST deal: they also had them being MARSOC in the late 1990s and then Merriman got out of prison in 2006...except even I (an Army grunt) know that MARSOC was stood up in 2006... 🤔
Sheriff department has SCARs?
I know this is a year late, but I read that LA does have SCAR-L’s for law enforcement, I was confused on this as well
Police departments can buy any thing they basically want now. HK416s, MP5A5s, SCAR L and Hs, and HK417s, are some Weapons I have found out to be used by police now.
The only thing I can think of is, right before MARSOC was stood up, they dissolved 4th MEB AT. There was some speculation that Security Forces, specifically FAST, would end up under the MARSOC umbrella. Not as Raiders, just under the same command for funding, training and employment purposes. It made sense in theory, but as far as I know never actually happened.
MarSOC FAST? roflmao ... HOLLYWOOD === FANTASY ... Looks like a cool movie but people gotta realize its hollywood fantasy ....
oh crap ... I'm a lance coolie again ... 👍👍👍
@@NickKoumalatsos82 Rah! I was a Sgt when I got so I'm catch'n up to my terminal rank ...
I've actually never commented on a video B4. But as for the fast/marsoc? My unit ATBN was disbanded.( In 2003 Marines stood up a advance infantry/counter terror unit. The infantry version of Fast, a money pit) we was disbanded To consolidate funds n ppl to stand up marsoc. This happen in middle of deployment '07. Which came to a shock since my command Col. Approved my move to recon. Passed indoc. 1mo before the pump. (Got injured 2mo B4 end of pump. Fucking Ramadan! so probably wouldn't worked out) Anyway new command took over. Kept me and most other seniors. To train new line unit 2/9 in cqb and MOUT tactics. But we was sent tons of fast guys(pussys- no really) even though they wasn't 03??. Some of them said that their RTT guys was sent to MARSOC. How is that possible? Since still security forces. Also I figured out why they put it in movie. If u Google American top special operation units. FAST is like 9 on list. But I think it also listed a DEA team. So yes.lol. also are you the bedtime stories guy?
Agree 100% I'm a cop and you are correct. Too much ego not enough Team work. Before I was a cop I trained SWAT teams and specialized units.. yeah raiders would win that every day of the week. Subscribed and I hit the bell. Awesome video.
Hey Nick! Maybe they are trying to get u interested in making some side cash!! Lol!😁😁😁
@@NickKoumalatsos82 hahaha!
If you look at the
FBI files, back in the 80's, a team of well trained soldiers actually did it.
I believe it happened in Florida
They robbed many banks n many times got in shoot outs with the FBI.
They die in their last robery to the FBI.
@@NickKoumalatsos82 they weren't bad enough to steal one...😏😏
Nice one nick I watched this movie a little while ago and it’s funny you happened to do a review around then, much love from the uk brother #nohomo
God I hate Hollywood
Thanks for Review, Friend.
very interesting video.
-from South Korean Marines -
The ending sucked so bad
There's no way Marine Raiders
Will get shot down by sheriffs like that or law enforcement for that mattet
Like seriously
They're still human, I believe a few months ago that video came out with the special forces team getting killed by some African isis group. Bullets don't care.
mike C are you talking about the guys that got ambushed? That was an awful situation that I doubt anyone could survive
mike C really dude
@@smellmyclock really dude
@@sneak916 yeah it sucked, I agree that it's unlikely anyone could survive that.
This movie was Heat meets Extreme Justice (Lou Diamond Phillips movie with Scott Glenn). Those movies are similar because in Heat you had criminals who were very skilled as well. In Extreme Justice you had cops that acted very much like criminals.
Heat rip off nuff said do yourself a faver watch 6 days nuff said
elias winters
Loved Heat, liked this movie too though. I will check out 6 Days!
Enuff!
Heat was golden. 6 days was okay at best, though I suspect you may be biased (the profile picture gave it away).
They ripped of HEAT! Great review brother! Reloads and other attributes were good except for butler elbow firing the iron sight scar ;)
Merry Christmas and happy New Year.👮
I was feeling that last gunfight, until I saw gerard butler moving up without a mag in his weapon, but aiming it as if he was ready to shoot. Totally killed it.
bruh he couldn't even aim, he basically semi-hip fired most of the time, it was cringe as fuck
Luke Sommer -Army Ranger, after few tours overseas guy comes home and puts together a team of army guys and did a heist on a bank using military tactics. Movie must of got some influence from this
Dude... I finally know how to say your name. I was calling you " Nick Alphabet Soup."
P.s. The content you share is super practical and helpful. Keep up the good work and thanks.
- Toro
Very very important question Mr. Koumalatsos, how did you grow such perfect hair? Products? How did you form it while growing it out? Can you make prep course on growing such a mane?
@@NickKoumalatsos82 I actually was genuinely curious lmao, thanks
Nick, I love it man! Nice job on the movies review!
Then there was the scene where the MARSOC guy shows Ice Cube Jr how to use an M4 even though Cube Jr is supposed to be a former Marine
What about those one handed reloads at the end of the movie? Ol boy did a pretty good job.
the guy that plays merrimen (can't for the life of me remember his name) played Tanto in 13 hours and he killed that role too. Dude can at least look like an operator lol
Thank GOD you said , the moment I saw the shoot out seen and saw that they lost , I was like there is no way on this earth a police department is going to win against a marsoc team or any specialized teams , ever ....ever . And honestly I believe they were using way to much rounds , I would imagined they would’ve tried to conserve ammo
LASD also has a reputation of sheriff's deputies who were members of various gangs within the department as depicted in the TV series The Oath . Also Google Lynwood Vikings.
What is a Marsoc fast Marine?
FAST (Fleet Anti-Terror Security Teams) are specialized units of the Marine Corps that are used with protecting military installations and various other anti-terrorism missions.
Awesome video Nick!🤙
at my agency our entire SWAT team is former Army Rangers Navy SEALS regular Marines and Para Rescue dudes...they r pretty badass... i think 20 years of war law enforcement tactical capabilities has sky rocketed
would've been cool to see you play aquaman. watched that movie and thought,
"wow nick could play the shit out of this part"
but that's just me.
Most large big city’s, such as the one I work for have a full time tac unit. Theses guys are pretty squared away guys and are lucky enough to be able to train with military special units at least once a year, maybe more that I’m not privy too.... great info, god bless
Nick can you do a full video about the Marine F.A.S.T. security forces Teams. That would be really interesting. :D
Thanks for your service Mr Nick!
Question: How often are raiders on full auto? As an 0311 I RARELY went full auto unless I was firing a machine gun or in the prone with an IAR. There was only one occasion when I was on full auto and standing, it was not an ammo dump ;)
They also say that these guys were in MARSOC and then pulled heists until 2006 when Merriman went to prison. MARSOC was created in 2006.
Nick what is your edc now? I know you had a 26 or 27 in fde that you carried but were looking at something different. You switch it up yet? If so what are you rockin now?
As a Marine and a L.E.O. I can say some units do get pretty high speed training, so maybe the S.O. guys, since they are part of a small unit in a well funded agency, It is, IMHO that they would be a force to reckon with. I dunno, good review, I think this is one of my favorite action movies.
This was a fun movie definitely enjoyed it. Btw Paris Island in June can’t wait!!!
Dylan Kane good luck
Given the fact they were bank robbers, not only would identifying them as MARSOC Raiders be the accurate label but it is also more fitting than FAST team.
The only thing I can add to the review is that Sheriff taskforce is loosely based on the LAPD SIS. Which has been rumored to be composed of former JSOC dudes. So in my head, that would make more sense than the rogue detective gang they ended up with.
See now this is would make sense
you should review 13 hours, that was a good movie with a few marines!
After the SAW scene Gerald goes to chase them with his SCAR (pretty sure that is was it is) reloads yet the next scene the weapon has no mag inserted. Had to go back to make sure I wasn't trippin.
Nick what martial art do they teach recon or marsoc?
Thanks BP
DUDE! I'm fucking dying over the Death Star comment!!!! BAHAHAHAHAHA!
I dunno if you're get this, but could you consider reviewing the new film from Affleck out on March 8th called Triple Frontier on Netflix?
You should try out for a role in a military or action movie, And have input on tactics that would be awesome.
Being from the UK when I heard MARSOC fast I was like wow that sounds bloody awesome then spent a few hours trying to find out what they where no wonder there was no info on them they dont fucking exist...thank you for clearing that up and for an honest review as others have said why dont they get lads like you in as advisers look at Heat when they used an ex-SAS member its still the best shoot out in movie history imao
The awkward silences you add really made this video hilarious!
They took the most memorable parts of movies like Heat and The Usual Suspects with none of the subtlety of those classic films. I saw the "twist" from a mile off once I saw the resemblance to other classic crime movies. I think it deserves the critical score of 5/10.
Maybe he meant that they were security forces, went fast and then went to assessment and selection?
Pablo Schreiber played Chris "Tanto" Paronto in 13 Hours which the real Chris Paronto , John Tiegen, and Mark Geist were military/tactical advisers on I believe. Maybe Mr. Schreiber was able to take some of that knowledge to the set of Den of Thieves. Any thoughts or insight on that Nick Koumalatsos?