@@MikhailKalashnikovMiG Go look at the ages of the good boxers Mike Tyson beat. Larry Holmes for example was a 38 year old grandfather when Tyson beat him. Bonecrusher was 34 years old when Tyson beat him.
Holyfield’s headbutting is overstated and was clearly unintentional. Tyson ducks his head while simultaneously pressing forward. This is part of his fighting style and has its risk.
Avender seemed mentally strong as well and didn't find it necessary to talk bad on TV about Mike.. But Lewis has been butthurt ever since Tyson intimidated him verbally, I guess..
gamebred26 Mike never had the chance to be charitable, did he? He was talented from the get go and never lost his mentally that he gained from BK. People can say what eeeever they want to but only Mike's able to tell you that he's good hearted or not.
Buster...exposed him...he never beat anyone good. The one time he was hurt or had to overcome adversity he was beaten...ie Buster. Mike was a bully who had most of his opponents beat before they stepped in the ring. He was a great athlete no doubt...a fighter ? No. Lewis kod two guys in Rahman and Mccall who he was previously kod by. Do you know how strong mentally you have to be to do that? Tyson never beat an opponent who beat him EVER. Nor did anyone he beat test him in the ring. Need more? He was overrated. ..pleas dont mention Spinx. Once he met up with Lewis and Holy they crushed him.
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Maybe evader but not lennox you are another person who doesn't realise how good lennox is. Most underrated of all time top 5 of all time maybe top 3 after Ali and Joe lewis
+Efcjoe9 1986 Tyson lost 4/10 rounds to journeymen james tillis 40 wins 22 losses. Tillis was a bum and gave Tyson a life and death struggle. Lewis and Holyfeild both elite athletes and both would've beaten Tyson of the 80's
+BiggieBigLnPac Mike would of beat both of them u crazy u just going off of one fight he still won just another reason to hate on Mike the greatest of all time after Muhammad Ali......
+Jack Walsh You're an idiot who knows nothing about boxing. Holyfeild was dead when he fought Tyson, The three wars he had with super heavyweight riddick bowe took a lot out of holyfeild physically and mentally, He started slurring his speech, losing fights, he got beat by micheal moorer and looked awful against bobby czyz, Tyson however had just won his last 5 fights by ko, all withing the first 5 rounds and people fought he was going to kill holyfeild because holyfeild was a washed up fighter, holyfeild started as the 20-1 underdog. So saying Tyson lost because he was past his prime is faulse. Prime holyfeild would've kileld tyson in 3 rounds
I think we all loved watching Mike Tyson; and he was very good indeed for a very short time; until people started hitting him back; Evander Holyfield exposed that fact of course....Joe Frazier was better at that style of fighting and much more resilient.....Ali was in a class all by himself, despite being robbed of 3 and a half years, probably his prime years.
Evander holyfield fought him after he had been in jail for falsely accused of rape he smashed everybody in the heavyweight division what else did he need to prove
@@Sakom lol wtf kind of comment is that? Lewis won because he's tall? You mean the Lennox Lewis that Mike Tyson called _"just splendid, a masterful boxer"?_ Get a clue about the noble sport, wouldya?
Lewis would have been a tough fight for mike in his prime, but not as tough as evander, however mike would have beaten both in his prime which is (i think) 86 or 87 quite some time before the Douglas fight. After spinks though.
oh when he was a teenager? sthu. i love tyson. but to say he wasnt in his prime when he fought douglas at 23 yrs old is retarded. he had his hands full with razor ruddock twice. to think lewis or holyfield wouldnt beat him, id like to think that too, cuz im a huge tyson fan. but i also speak reality. tysons camp fucked all the real true heavyweights in his career. he came up knocking out light heavyweight bums. spinks beat holmes, but spinks was a light heavyweight. tyson wasnt even a light heavyweight at 15. lol he never faced foreman, briggs, morrison, mercer, bowe even thou they were friends from brownsville. briggs bowe and tyson all from brownsville. moorer, lewis til he couldnt avoid it anymore, witherspoon. he was fighting white bums, mcneely, saverese, botha, golota, neilsen, frustrated against norris and was dq'd for multible fouls. julius francis. i mean it wasnt just him, it was his camp. but how did he fight all these bums after his release and never fought any of the true heavyweights, evander was a cruiserweight and not a brutal puncher. and lennox was known to have a weak jaw, but he didnt fight lewis til he was pushed in a corner. seemed to be lennox was alexander. js. love mike. hes a legendary fighter, but he is not a legendary champion. he was a paper champ that was breast fed on his way up. and when he got rid of his white team and trainers, he career was all but over. so lets get this str8. tyson was getting all he could handle was he sparred with lewis and holyfield. he knew those top heavyweight were going sown when he landed. and thats what happen to mike. he just wasnt what they made him out to be. i also think vitali doesnt get enuff credit for the legendary champion he is. he would gave all those legendary heavyweights hell on earth. man never touched the canvas and his ko ratio is top of the greatest of all time. he is deff a top 10 heavyweight in my eyes. lennox has to be right at the top. even thou i dont like the cocky brit prick.
oh when he was a teenager? sthu. i love tyson. but to say he wasnt in his prime when he fought douglas at 23 yrs old is retarded. he had his hands full with razor ruddock twice. to think lewis or holyfield wouldnt beat him, id like to think that too, cuz im a huge tyson fan. but i also speak reality. tysons camp fucked all the real true heavyweights in his career. he came up knocking out light heavyweight bums. spinks beat holmes, but spinks was a light heavyweight. tyson wasnt even a light heavyweight at 15. lol he never faced foreman, briggs, morrison, mercer, bowe even thou they were friends from brownsville. briggs bowe and tyson all from brownsville. moorer, lewis til he couldnt avoid it anymore, witherspoon. he was fighting white bums, mcneely, saverese, botha, golota, neilsen, frustrated against norris and was dq'd for multible fouls. julius francis. i mean it wasnt just him, it was his camp. but how did he fight all these bums after his release and never fought any of the true heavyweights, evander was a cruiserweight and not a brutal puncher. and lennox was known to have a weak jaw, but he didnt fight lewis til he was pushed in a corner. seemed to be lennox was alexander. js. love mike. hes a legendary fighter, but he is not a legendary champion. he was a paper champ that was breast fed on his way up. and when he got rid of his white team and trainers, he career was all but over. so lets get this str8. tyson was getting all he could handle was he sparred with lewis and holyfield. he knew those top heavyweight were going sown when he landed. and thats what happen to mike. he just wasnt what they made him out to be. i also think vitali doesnt get enuff credit for the legendary champion he is. he would gave all those legendary heavyweights hell on earth. man never touched the canvas and his ko ratio is top of the greatest of all time. he is deff a top 10 heavyweight in my eyes. lennox has to be right at the top. even thou i dont like the cocky brit prick.
rick rich Tyson was getting passed his prime at 23. He burned out young. He was good from around 85 ( the start of his pro career) until 89 which is when he was 23. At 23 Tyson was starting to loose his talent. From 89 - 95 Tyson was just a shadow of "Iron Mike Tyson" All he was, was a puncher. A slugger with no head movment.
"He beat everyone . . . He became a three time world champion and beat a three time world champion on the way . . . Lennox Lewis is The best heavyweight of all time." ~ George Foreman.
According to Evander Holyfield both Tyson and Bowe ducked Lewis. In Evander's words, "Every time they had an opportunity to fight Lewis they choose me instead because they thought I was a lesser opponent." So out of respect he gave Lewis a shot that no one else had the guts to do. In fairness to Tyson, it was more complicated than Bowe's refusal. It was HBO vs Showtime that was causing contractual problems. Mike paid Lewis to step aside so he could fight Evander Holyfield for more $.
From being a big fan in the mid eighties I've really gone the other way with regards to Tyson. I was never one of these "he could beat anyone in his heyday" people, who seem deluded now, but I really thought he had potential. But to be a great requires far more than speed and a punch. You need discipline, perseverence, mental strength, and you need them over many years. None of the greats, for example, became a drug addict slap bang in the middle of his career, and Tyson may have been into cocaine from his teens. If Tyson himself was to have what seems to be the attitude of many of his apologist fans he'd probably be dead by now, with their "poor Mike" bleatings. Reading a few posts on here it seems many are of that ilk. And where does all this hatred for Lennox Lewis come from? What did he do, apart from win an Olympic gold, win a world title, unify the titles, defend them several times, avenge his defeats, retire undefeated, and remain retired in spite of huge sums being offered him to come back, staying happy, healthy and wealthy? In history, three names stand out among the heavyweights, well, two really. Gene Tunney, Lennox Lewis, maybe Rocky Marciano. Marciano left on his own terms, but couldn't really be described as comfortable, always scrabbling around for money after he quit the ring. The other two seemed perfectly happy with their ring earnings, I don't say they didn't earn considerable fees based on their achievements, but they never had to step through the ropes again. Isn't that the dream of every kid who straps on the gloves for the risk time? To be rich, famous and, it goes without saying, fit and reasonably healthy 'til the end of their days?
whether Tyson would've beat Holyfield or Lewis if he was in his prime '86 to '89, it's hard to say. anyone can get caught and get knocked the fuck out. anyone!!!! and there wasn't a better speed/power ratio kinda fighter than Tyson in his prime. I would've loved to see Tommy Morrison vs Tyson. they were as similar of fighters than I've ever seen. Morrison had equal power, and just about as much speed and head movement. would've been a great fight, but I doubt it would've lasted more than 2 rounds.
Tyson would not have beaten Lewis five years earlier but if they had fought after the Douglas fight but pre prison he would have knocked him out and at the very least decisioned Holyfield. If Cus had lived another five years, Tyson's legacy would be intergalactic.
the fact is tyson never deliverd on big fights he smacked only 40 yearrd almost retierd champs and bad or solid boxers evrey big fight and he had few of them he got his ass kicked really bad
Adnan Rekanovic Not true the Spinks fight was a really big fight. Also i never understand why he dont get cred for the Spinks fight, Spinks had beaten Larry Holmes who was past hes prime but still a very good fighter. Joe Louis gets cred for beating Billy Conn a lightheavyweight that outboxed him and even staggerd him, Tyson fights a all time great light hevyweight that has proven himself as a heavyweight and he crushes him..
***** just my opinion tyson was a beast for 20 fights and that was it in those fights he gained fame i mean the dude got knocked out by buster douglas,thats like if floyd mayw knocked out geroge foreman xD
A "lucky escape" for a "flagrantly under-conditioned Lewis." If an out of shape Lewis stops Vitali, imagine what an in-shape Lewis does. Then consider what a prime Lewis does. "According to a recent interview with Lennox’s former master trainer Emanuel Steward, Lennox’s wife Violet Chang did not want him to ever box again, giving him an ultimatum to choose: it’s either boxing or her." Emanual, "She didn’t want him to continue boxing, despite the fact that Lewis still wanted to fight." Respect!
Damn Lewis is real underrated, everyone here saying "Tyson in prime would've killed him" if that were true, Tyson would've fought him in prime instead he paid him to avoid the fight through most of his career.
Ever heard mike said he would fight anyone his handlers put up to fight him he doesn't pick the fights sir his handlers do and prime mike Tyson was unstoppable tried doing anything in your life and having all the hurt and pain mike endured coming from the streets and now having money no one to guide him on how to spend his wealth tell me how a trouble soul achieved that respect mike stop talk trash because I'm sure you'd never live a day in mikes shoes at mikes early career holy field nor Lewis wanted no part of mike and they have said it now who's you to say differently
Holyfield was too complete of a fighter for Mike Tyson, both mentally and in the sweet science. He doesn't get fooled, intimidated or spiritually affected by anyone, not even Muhammad Ali could have affected his mentality leading up to the fight and during the fight. So I think this is why Tyson lost to him.
I love Tyson in his early days of his career, but the fact is Tyson's declining performance was his own fault, his lost to Holyfield & Lewis was also his fault coz he didnt take the chances with 100% focus like he used to, he realised it now & accepted it, but his die hard fans refused to believe it.
Why you guys always make excuses for man? Didn't cross your mind that he wan't good enough? Truth is he had many flashy KOs in his time but he lost from both elite fighters he fought with.
Ultimately Mike Tyson wanted to be adored and loved by the masses, that's what still happens to this day. He has accepted he was wrong and been very humble and magnanimous in all of his defeats in and out of the ring.
Holyfield has always been the most skilled out of the 3 but lacked the power of a natural heavyweight, Lennox faught alot of the best of his era when they were on the decline and even a past his prime Holyfield arguably won the second Lewis fight.
Mike Tyson won a lot of his fights with just intimidating his opponents. These two were true warriors who were not intimidated by his antics, especially Holyfield who was the first.
@@cabezadepija7318 When did Lennox ever display psyco behaviour? He was famous for being cool headed, he slept before every fight. He never initiated fights outside the ring.
@@dylanburston7453 yeah thats the whole cool thing he's so cold look at his eyes... reminds me of sugar ray leonard in a similar way in that his whole demeanor is just a reaction not a feeling
Tyson actually did bite his leg. Lewis showed the press the mark the next day. And what are you on about, saying that Lewis just said that to hype up the fight? This interview of Lewis and Hollyfield was at the 2012 Olympics, 10 years after the Tyson vs Lewis fight.
@RANDOM VIDEOS DAILY DAILY He swung the punch in such anger that he missed. Then Lewis punched Tyson on the head, Tyson's head was bleeding. Then Tyson dived down and bit Lewis on the leg. I remember it all like it was yesterday. I've watched many times since as well.
?? He learned to box as an amateur in Canada. He also had Emanuel Stewart as a trainer.. He evolved through both systems. All that matters is the final product.
Holyfield and Lewis may laugh.... but it is Tysons name that will live on for hundreds of years when both there names are forgotten. They both fought Tyson in his decline and the question will always remain..could they of beaten a 23 year old prime Mike Tyson?...... I think not!
Regardless of lewis's achievements,he will never posess the awe,popularity,and excitement that was mike tyson. In their prime,if both tyson and lewis were fighting different opponents on the same night,tyson would generate more ppv's and general interest.
to the people saying the tyson in his prime argument is bullshit etc, if you knew anything about boxing you'd realise that just because tyson was still physically in shape when he came out of prison, doesnt mean he was the same fighter. when did you see tyson throw a jab and a right hand over and over again when he was with rooney. if the tyson that constantly moved his head and worked thebody, and threw combinations i.e the fighter from 85-88. these two would not have stood a chance, evander in particular.
Lewis was the better fighter than both Holyfield and Tyson, but he wasn’t the finished fighter until he got with Manny in 95. It’s also a fact that both Bowe and Tyson ducked Lewis. Bowe dumped the wbc belt in the bin, and Tyson in 96 faced Holyfield rather than Lennox, expecting an easier ride. In regards to Holyfield though, have nothing but the upmost respect for him…and he did much better in his 2nd fight with Lewis. It would have been interesting if Holyfield fought Lewis between 93-94. If Holyfield didn’t have his health issue at that time, and this is Lewis pre Manny Steward, I think Holyfield could well have edged a close decision.
You're right, but there are way too many Tyson fanboys to see it. Lewis is a really underrated fighter, considering hes beaten every boxer he ever fought. Tyson had a very short shot of fame and then fell flat, whereas Lewis has been consistenly good throughout his career.
How do you get that? Tyson, as great as he was to watch, KO'd only bums or washed up fighters. Tyson even admitted he had trouble going the distance due to breathing conditions. Ali was famous for going 15 rounds and had a devastating jab, as well as quick speed and reflexes. Ali beat the best heavyweights in history of the sport. Men like Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Quarry, etc. I can not say the same for Tyson. Not only that, but Tyson tended to falter when bullied (look at the Holyfield fights). Ali would get into Tyson's head and toy with him. This is what makes Ali apart from many fighters, the ability to stay calm and focused regardless of the deep fear inside, and Ali uniquely displayed this with comedy.
A lot of people going on about "tyson in his prime.." Truth is the calibre of his opponents early on were low. He didnt face real challengers. There was nothing in the same league
Tyson beat everyone available. He beat Holmes, he beat spinks, and razor. He fired Rooney then went to prison, when he came back his offense was good but his defense had deteriorated drastically.
Holmes, spinks, razor, they don't compare to the likes of Sonny Liston, Fraiser or George Foreman. They also don't compare to Holyfield or Lewis. Tyson had it easy in his prime.
I would say that Tyson would beat Forman just because he's faster + he threw better combonations and he'd beat Joe Frazier just because Joe wasn't great in the first 2 rounds of the fight.
What a bunch of typical and uneducated Tyson fans we have in the comment section below! Holyfield was a 25-to-1 underdog before he fought Tyson. Nobody had him winning. It's always the same damn excuse....."Mike wasn't in his prime". BULLSHIT! Tyson had only lost to Buster Douglas in 1990 and was coming off winning another 8 matches straight. Holyfield hurt Tyson like nobody else could before...even more so than Buster Douglas did. I like Tyson, but some of his fans are truly delusional if they think he was unbeatable and wasn't still in his prime when he fought Evander Holyfield.
Tommy WM When Tyson fired Kevin Rooney after the Spinks fight, he stopped moving his head and was not the same fighter again so yes when he was fighting Evander he was not in his prime. Tyson was a bum and his corner sucked when he fought Buster Douglas.
Tommy WM AFter being jailed and all the shit the media did to him and all that he went through - these guys fought Mike Tyson at 30%, period. His will was gone and spirit crushed. He was in a mock trial that was completely set up in every way with his own lawyers working against him. It just wan't the same man. Get over it. No one's making excuses for him, we're giving you what actually happened in reality...
First of all mike bit holyfield in retaliation to evanders headbutts hes very good at headbutting on the inside where mills lane couldnt see it neither the judges. So I defend mike on that cuz evander was cheating in some headbutts which eventually cut tysons right eye. Two: the biting of lennox I guess he saw an opportunity to strike and it happened to be his leg lol
batista35500 Yep that was the last match him with Kevin Rooney. And Tyson after said that he was in terrible shape on the that fight and that Spinks came to fight really hard.
I was talking about me saying prime Tyson 85-88 and you discounting that and saying Tyson loses either way and not making allowances but you seemed to be doing that with Lewis and Klitschko in your post to Mr Snow regarding Lennox's age.
Look at all the battered Mikey's fanclub members here. Lewis and Holyfield proved their superiority in the ring. That is all that matters. Lewis proved that he was the best of the era by beating Tyson, Holyfield, Klitschko and anybody else who mattered except Chicken Bowe who pussied out and ducked Lewis.
***** really? Lewis was 37 years old when he fought Klitschko, whereas Klitschko was in his prime, and yet Lewis still won, Klitschko may've been leading on the cards but that doctor stoppage saved him from getting a serious beating; Lewis was coming on strong and was landing his right hand at will with Klit's vision severely impaired, Lewis didn't owe him a rematch and was already talking about retirement prior to that fight anyway, he's one of the only boxers to have defeated every man he ever faced, that is a dominant fighter
***** proving your point? lol your argument is the one with the "ifs", if Lewis hadn't turned Klitz's face into hamburger meat maybe he would've won by points, and if pigs had wings they would fly etc, here's the fact: Lewis won and Klitz can go cry about it, another fact: Lewis retired as the last undisputed heavyweight champion, maybes are for losers and Lewis is a winner
***** your arguments are getting very dull, no I don't judge fights on how faces look or on blood, I judge them by results, doctor stoppages are part of boxing and if you don't get that then you are the one who doesn't understand boxing, and yes he lost to 2 underdogs but he avenged those losses, every good fighter loses sometimes, you obviously have a hate-on for Lewis so you aren't going to change your mind, but I'm sure Lewis isn't losing too much sleep that crybabies like you didn't enjoy his fights
***** It's almost funny how people say stuff like you do. It's not that it's not true, it's just that it's true for any fighter you want to talk about. Tyson lost to a third tier fighter named Buster Douglas. Was Douglas better than Tyson? Who did Tyson ever beat in their prime that was a great fighter? What happened when he got knocked down? He stayed down, and groped like Mr. Magoo. How does Tyson manage to be past his prime at 24, just because that's when he lost? That's awfully convenient - when a guy loses, that proves he's past his prime. I could say the same stuff about Ali. He struggled against scrubs like Sonny Banks and Zora Folley in his prime, although at least he knocked the latter out. Then he finally fought a great young fighter in Frazier, and lost. Then he fought Norton three times, a guy far from great, and never could convincingly beat him. Marciano? Pick on his opponents. Holmes? Ditto, plus nearly getting knocked out a few times. Foreman? Folded the first time he got tested, and got bounced off the canvas by Jimmy Young and Ron Lyle. Frazier? Fought two great fighters, and lost to them both, twice. Nearly was KO'ed by Bonavena. Louis? Fought nothing but bums, got raped by Schmeling, and won a horrible decision against Walcott the first fight. Plus, had terrible movement. You get the point, if you don't like a guy, you can pick on anything, and you'll probably be right. Lewis wasn't perfect. So far, no heavyweight has even approached it. All have flaws, and all have styles they struggle with. Honestly, it's much more interesting that way, anyway.
At least Holyfield admits that they both caught Mike Tyson when he wasn't at his best. He said that no one knew where his punches would come from in his prime but later everyone knew exactly when, how and where he would punch from... that's when everyone decided they wanted to fight him. Both Holyfield and Lennox avoided the Tyson that was running through the division for years.
"Weaker" is a relative term. I didn't say Holmes was weak per se. I said in comparison to the notably strong Lewis he was. Most guys who fought Lewis were surprised by how strong he was - even for his size. Trevor Berbick went the distance with Holmes. In fact he gave him a pretty good fight. Berbick wouldn't do anything against Lewis. If he tried to force an ugly fight Berbick wakes up in the hospital. The biggest difference between Holmes and Lewis is Lewis' elite power.
unlike tyson, lennox was a professional and boring boxer ,,,he used tactics to beat his opponents rather than emotions...thats what makes lennox different than tyson I guess,,,they were both good fighters tho....btw lennox was older when he beat tyson so dont make stupid comments
that facial impression Lennox made of Tyson while he was biting him looked a lot like the dramatic squirrel. Look up "Dramatic Squirrel" on youtube and you'll see the incredible resemblence
Mike is my man but Damon Wayans told a story about Mike Tyson biting him because he thought he did the impression of him on In Living Color...but Keenan did the impression! LOL
Not from late 86-88.He had the least amount of flaws.His style was the best since ali because his skills were all equal to some degree but so many fight fans and tyson bashers claim two things which wern't true with tyson from late 86-88, his mental weakness and no adversity and his punching power. Actually his best asset wasnt even his power and his mental conditioning was flawless in that period because he had the confidence of his condtiioing and corner.9 dominating title defenses before 23
Bob I know Holyfield took HGH because I watched the second fight with Tyson who is pretty strong and he was throwing Tyson round like a Rag Doll at one point and Holyfields use of the head was a disgrace, no wonder Tyson went Nuts.When you watch Holyfield against Bowe and Lewis that's why he could compete against men 25-30 pounds heavier DRUGS.
Where do you see Lewis throw any Crosses in fights I am struggling the Left Hook he used occasionally when he was a Novice Pro but I never saw him use it in his prime, it was all Jab and Right Hand and his hold me down Uppercut.
I pointed out he TKO'd Vitali - the current champ - who is pretty much untouchable right now. So how does that equate to he can't fight heavy hitters. He can fight heavy hitters. He has fought heavy hitters. And he has defeated every heavy hitter he has faced - just like every other fighter he has ever faced. Only Marciano shares that distinction btw. Can't say the same for Tyson.
Emanual Steward said in an interview; "Lennox could fight but that wasn't his strong suit."...thats good enough for me, if you think about it, he was an excellent ameteur boxer with that stand up european style of boxing.
Say what you want but Holyfield was better than Lewis, first fight was won by Lewis instead of draw but the second was won by Holyfield, but they wanted to give fight back to Lewis after unfair result of first fight. And Holyfield was 10 times more entertaining.
"Lewis has no inside game" really none? The inside game is not his strong suit but watch the fight with Grant. In fact he held Grant's head down and landed a nasty uppercut. And yes I realized you tried to offer that as a criticism. Well as Tyson said, "this isn't a picnic." Great jab; tremendous strength; agile for a big man; skilled like a middleweight; smart strategic fighter; possibly the best right in history; killer uppercut; great spacing; great ring generalship; tall; great defense
Klitschkos and Lewis fly in the face of that argument. Lewis was a two time medalist: bronze and gold. Boxing is simplistic compared to MMA and the NFL so I'm pretty sure I can handle it. I'm obsessed with power and strength and yet you're the one that considers masterful displays of the sweet science boring. If you knew boxing, you would appreciate Lewis and in particular Lewis v Holyfield I and Lewis v Rahman II- absolutely brilliant displays. Power &skill: LLv Golota; LL v Ruddick
I realize we are going to disagree here but watch the start. Watch the start of both really. You have to get Tyson's respect to slow him down. You see that throughout his career. His big hope is to do major damage early and end soon. Or reduce his opponent to holding on. He had all the movement he ever did, early in those fights. The difference between RR and Spinks is RR "hits like a fucking mule kick" and is much larger. So Tyson didn't have his way early and started to slow a bit.
Bob you still haven't answered the question why Holyfield and Lewis avoided Corey Sanders in the ninties who had a very good record at that time something like 35 wins 1 loss, answers on a post card please.
Let me help you out. Vitali was stopped - that's pretty conclusive. Lewis looked old and slow which may be due to what Jim Lampley described as "flagrantly under-conditioned". Vitali was in tip top shape. The only thing the rematch would do, presuming Lewis was motivated to get into fighting shape, would be to allow Lewis to dominate Vitai. It's better that Vitali fans have their doubts. ES trained Vlad your're right. Lewis' wife gave him an ultimatum. He decided to keep his wife. Respect!
Anybody who knows anything about boxing knows these 2 were both great fighters and tyson fan boys who say he could of walked through them are living in dream land , people forget tyson never stopped green tucker Smith are that great fighters I rest my case
1984; and when he meet evander in J.O, he say to him " i dont sparr with you cause youre my friend now and i dont want to hit you" Evander says at this time tyson knocked out his sparring partner!
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Mike Tyson was terrifying in his prime.
Mike Tyson didn't beat anyone who was in THEIR prime.
Tony England are you high?
@@MikhailKalashnikovMiG No, I'm just a realist. Tyson beat a bunch of has-beens and a lot of nobodies, overrated to hell.
Tony England alright buddy believe whatever you want
@@MikhailKalashnikovMiG Go look at the ages of the good boxers Mike Tyson beat. Larry Holmes for example was a 38 year old grandfather when Tyson beat him. Bonecrusher was 34 years old when Tyson beat him.
But Holyfield settles it with his head too.
Mikkel Andersen boxing skills
googly moogly he should wear three punching gloves
YES HOLYFIELD HEAD BUTTING
Headbuttfield
He did
His expression of Tyson at the end. lmao
Ikr, he did a good Tyson impression
Tyson admitted to his mistakes years ago. Holyfield never admitted his head butting cheating led to it
That's so true.
Holyfields headbutting was not intentional dude..really? Don't even compare.
@ what ever!
Holyfield’s headbutting is overstated and was clearly unintentional. Tyson ducks his head while simultaneously pressing forward. This is part of his fighting style and has its risk.
Heads colliding will be common on fighters who have different stance
If Tyson didn't go to prison these guys wouldn't have careers.
damn right........
Avender seemed mentally strong as well and didn't find it necessary to talk bad on TV about Mike.. But Lewis has been butthurt ever since Tyson intimidated him verbally, I guess..
Youre high...Mike was exposed before prison. A bully with no heart.
gamebred26 Mike never had the chance to be charitable, did he? He was talented from the get go and never lost his mentally that he gained from BK. People can say what eeeever they want to but only Mike's able to tell you that he's good hearted or not.
Buster...exposed him...he never beat anyone good. The one time he was hurt or had to overcome adversity he was beaten...ie Buster. Mike was a bully who had most of his opponents beat before they stepped in the ring. He was a great athlete no doubt...a fighter ? No. Lewis kod two guys in Rahman and Mccall who he was previously kod by. Do you know how strong mentally you have to be to do that? Tyson never beat an opponent who beat him EVER. Nor did anyone he beat test him in the ring. Need more? He was overrated. ..pleas dont mention Spinx. Once he met up with Lewis and Holy they crushed him.
Piers Morgan is a genuinely horrible human being.
Yep.
why? would you please tell the reason?
Davud Seid He's known for his sharply left winged views that encourage homosexuality, abortion and supports any government that embraces any elements of socialism, communism or fascism.
quadbravo thanks, honestly he seems to be a nice person, but the appetence should not be trusted.
Why?
1986 tyson ruins the pair of them
Maybe evader but not lennox you are another person who doesn't realise how good lennox is. Most underrated of all time top 5 of all time maybe top 3 after Ali and Joe lewis
batista35500 I never said Ali was underrated I said Lennox is underrated I said he is only bettered by Ali and joe Lewis IMO
+Efcjoe9 1986 Tyson lost 4/10 rounds to journeymen james tillis 40 wins 22 losses. Tillis was a bum and gave Tyson a life and death struggle. Lewis and Holyfeild both elite athletes and both would've beaten Tyson of the 80's
+BiggieBigLnPac Mike would of beat both of them u crazy u just going off of one fight he still won just another reason to hate on Mike the greatest of all time after Muhammad Ali......
+Efcjoe9 agreed
The fact that Holyfield stayed in the ring after getting is ear mauled was amazing,
They both fought Tyson when he was no way near in his prime...He would of ate them for breakfast.
+Jack Walsh You're an idiot who knows nothing about boxing. Holyfeild was dead when he fought Tyson, The three wars he had with super heavyweight riddick bowe took a lot out of holyfeild physically and mentally, He started slurring his speech, losing fights, he got beat by micheal moorer and looked awful against bobby czyz, Tyson however had just won his last 5 fights by ko, all withing the first 5 rounds and people fought he was going to kill holyfeild because holyfeild was a washed up fighter, holyfeild started as the 20-1 underdog. So saying Tyson lost because he was past his prime is faulse. Prime holyfeild would've kileld tyson in 3 rounds
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name tysons top 5 opponents when he was in his prime
+BiggieBigLnPac ur a hater
Jack Walsh well said mate tyson was unstoppable at his best
BiggieBigLnPac
Not correct .dude
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Tyson in his prime would of beat anyone
nope
20 years old world champ says it all
I think we all loved watching Mike Tyson; and he was very good indeed for a very short time; until people started hitting him back; Evander Holyfield exposed that fact of course....Joe Frazier was better at that style of fighting and much more resilient.....Ali was in a class all by himself, despite being robbed of 3 and a half years, probably his prime years.
Evander holyfield fought him after he had been in jail for falsely accused of rape he smashed everybody in the heavyweight division what else did he need to prove
Also Henry cooper beat ali they had to cheat to win
Holyfield was the best. lewis just had the advantage of size and skill. tyson had the most potential but was lacking dicipline.
arnold schwarzenegger: ,,YOU LACK DISCIPLIN!"
i agree..
I think Bowe actually had the best potential.
And Evander was more skilled than Lewis, Lewis's size is what got him the win.
@@Sakom lol wtf kind of comment is that? Lewis won because he's tall? You mean the Lennox Lewis that Mike Tyson called _"just splendid, a masterful boxer"?_ Get a clue about the noble sport, wouldya?
Lewis would have been a tough fight for mike in his prime, but not as tough as evander, however mike would have beaten both in his prime which is (i think) 86 or 87 quite some time before the Douglas fight. After spinks though.
oh when he was a teenager? sthu. i love tyson. but to say he wasnt in his prime when he fought douglas at 23 yrs old is retarded. he had his hands full with razor ruddock twice. to think lewis or holyfield wouldnt beat him, id like to think that too, cuz im a huge tyson fan. but i also speak reality. tysons camp fucked all the real true heavyweights in his career. he came up knocking out light heavyweight bums. spinks beat holmes, but spinks was a light heavyweight. tyson wasnt even a light heavyweight at 15. lol he never faced foreman, briggs, morrison, mercer, bowe even thou they were friends from brownsville. briggs bowe and tyson all from brownsville. moorer, lewis til he couldnt avoid it anymore, witherspoon. he was fighting white bums, mcneely, saverese, botha, golota, neilsen, frustrated against norris and was dq'd for multible fouls. julius francis. i mean it wasnt just him, it was his camp. but how did he fight all these bums after his release and never fought any of the true heavyweights, evander was a cruiserweight and not a brutal puncher. and lennox was known to have a weak jaw, but he didnt fight lewis til he was pushed in a corner. seemed to be lennox was alexander. js. love mike. hes a legendary fighter, but he is not a legendary champion. he was a paper champ that was breast fed on his way up. and when he got rid of his white team and trainers, he career was all but over. so lets get this str8. tyson was getting all he could handle was he sparred with lewis and holyfield. he knew those top heavyweight were going sown when he landed. and thats what happen to mike. he just wasnt what they made him out to be. i also think vitali doesnt get enuff credit for the legendary champion he is. he would gave all those legendary heavyweights hell on earth. man never touched the canvas and his ko ratio is top of the greatest of all time. he is deff a top 10 heavyweight in my eyes. lennox has to be right at the top. even thou i dont like the cocky brit prick.
oh when he was a teenager? sthu. i love tyson. but to say he wasnt in his prime when he fought douglas at 23 yrs old is retarded. he had his hands full with razor ruddock twice. to think lewis or holyfield wouldnt beat him, id like to think that too, cuz im a huge tyson fan. but i also speak reality. tysons camp fucked all the real true heavyweights in his career. he came up knocking out light heavyweight bums. spinks beat holmes, but spinks was a light heavyweight. tyson wasnt even a light heavyweight at 15. lol he never faced foreman, briggs, morrison, mercer, bowe even thou they were friends from brownsville. briggs bowe and tyson all from brownsville. moorer, lewis til he couldnt avoid it anymore, witherspoon. he was fighting white bums, mcneely, saverese, botha, golota, neilsen, frustrated against norris and was dq'd for multible fouls. julius francis. i mean it wasnt just him, it was his camp. but how did he fight all these bums after his release and never fought any of the true heavyweights, evander was a cruiserweight and not a brutal puncher. and lennox was known to have a weak jaw, but he didnt fight lewis til he was pushed in a corner. seemed to be lennox was alexander. js. love mike. hes a legendary fighter, but he is not a legendary champion. he was a paper champ that was breast fed on his way up. and when he got rid of his white team and trainers, he career was all but over. so lets get this str8. tyson was getting all he could handle was he sparred with lewis and holyfield. he knew those top heavyweight were going sown when he landed. and thats what happen to mike. he just wasnt what they made him out to be. i also think vitali doesnt get enuff credit for the legendary champion he is. he would gave all those legendary heavyweights hell on earth. man never touched the canvas and his ko ratio is top of the greatest of all time. he is deff a top 10 heavyweight in my eyes. lennox has to be right at the top. even thou i dont like the cocky brit prick.
rick rich Tyson was getting passed his prime at 23.
He burned out young. He was good from around 85 ( the start of his pro career) until 89 which is when he was 23. At 23 Tyson was starting to loose his talent. From 89 - 95 Tyson was just a shadow of "Iron Mike Tyson" All he was, was a puncher. A slugger with no head movment.
Bollocks he'd of never beat Lewis
TheStonerosesHQ 'he'd of'? ..it's 'he'd have '
"He beat everyone . . . He became a three time world champion and beat a three time world champion on the way . . . Lennox Lewis is The best heavyweight of all time." ~ George Foreman.
He's my favourite! All time British great 👌🏾
Rubbish!!
ALI is GOAT..leave it too that
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Tyson Fury is the best ever, he would spark Lennox in less than 5.
Lennox's Tyson face was perfect lmfao
According to Evander Holyfield both Tyson and Bowe ducked Lewis. In Evander's words, "Every time they had an opportunity to fight Lewis they choose me instead because they thought I was a lesser opponent." So out of respect he gave Lewis a shot that no one else had the guts to do. In fairness to Tyson, it was more complicated than Bowe's refusal. It was HBO vs Showtime that was causing contractual problems. Mike paid Lewis to step aside so he could fight Evander Holyfield for more $.
From being a big fan in the mid eighties I've really gone the other way with regards to Tyson. I was never one of these "he could beat anyone in his heyday" people, who seem deluded now, but I really thought he had potential. But to be a great requires far more than speed and a punch. You need discipline, perseverence, mental strength, and you need them over many years. None of the greats, for example, became a drug addict slap bang in the middle of his career, and Tyson may have been into cocaine from his teens. If Tyson himself was to have what seems to be the attitude of many of his apologist fans he'd probably be dead by now, with their "poor Mike" bleatings. Reading a few posts on here it seems many are of that ilk. And where does all this hatred for Lennox Lewis come from? What did he do, apart from win an Olympic gold, win a world title, unify the titles, defend them several times, avenge his defeats, retire undefeated, and remain retired in spite of huge sums being offered him to come back, staying happy, healthy and wealthy? In history, three names stand out among the heavyweights, well, two really. Gene Tunney, Lennox Lewis, maybe Rocky Marciano. Marciano left on his own terms, but couldn't really be described as comfortable, always scrabbling around for money after he quit the ring. The other two seemed perfectly happy with their ring earnings, I don't say they didn't earn considerable fees based on their achievements, but they never had to step through the ropes again. Isn't that the dream of every kid who straps on the gloves for the risk time? To be rich, famous and, it goes without saying, fit and reasonably healthy 'til the end of their days?
+Cecil Morgan ..Write a book.
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What about evander holy field he should definitely be up there in the all time greats and he fought everyone in there prime
Bro wrote a whole fkn novel 💀
Lol.
Oh yeah, they're rabid. Funny how they say Tyson was past his prime when he fought Holyfield, yet he was still a 25-2 favourite.
whether Tyson would've beat Holyfield or Lewis if he was in his prime '86 to '89, it's hard to say. anyone can get caught and get knocked the fuck out. anyone!!!! and there wasn't a better speed/power ratio kinda fighter than Tyson in his prime. I would've loved to see Tommy Morrison vs Tyson. they were as similar of fighters than I've ever seen. Morrison had equal power, and just about as much speed and head movement. would've been a great fight, but I doubt it would've lasted more than 2 rounds.
As much speed as tyson no chance tyson had phenomenal handspeed and definitely didn't hit hard as mike no one does.
Tyson would not have beaten Lewis five years earlier but if they had fought after the Douglas fight but pre prison he would have knocked him out and at the very least decisioned Holyfield. If Cus had lived another five years, Tyson's legacy would be intergalactic.
tyson would of knocked out both of these 2 clowns in his prime Snm
tyson could not knock out holyfield in his prime
the fact is tyson never deliverd on big fights he smacked only 40 yearrd almost retierd champs and bad or solid boxers evrey big fight and he had few of them he got his ass kicked really bad
horravel he was not in his prime, as soon as he got away from cus damato
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Not true the Spinks fight was a really big fight.
Also i never understand why he dont get cred for the Spinks fight, Spinks had beaten Larry Holmes who was past hes prime but still a very good fighter. Joe Louis gets cred for beating Billy Conn a lightheavyweight that outboxed him and even staggerd him, Tyson fights a all time great light hevyweight that has proven himself as a heavyweight and he crushes him..
***** just my opinion tyson was a beast for 20 fights and that was it in those fights he gained fame i mean the dude got knocked out by buster douglas,thats like if floyd mayw knocked out geroge foreman xD
A "lucky escape" for a "flagrantly under-conditioned Lewis." If an out of shape Lewis stops Vitali, imagine what an in-shape Lewis does. Then consider what a prime Lewis does.
"According to a recent interview with Lennox’s former master trainer Emanuel Steward, Lennox’s wife Violet Chang did not want him to ever box again, giving him an ultimatum to choose: it’s either boxing or her."
Emanual, "She didn’t want him to continue boxing, despite the fact that Lewis still wanted to fight." Respect!
Damn Lewis is real underrated, everyone here saying "Tyson in prime would've killed him" if that were true, Tyson would've fought him in prime instead he paid him to avoid the fight through most of his career.
Ever heard mike said he would fight anyone his handlers put up to fight him he doesn't pick the fights sir his handlers do and prime mike Tyson was unstoppable tried doing anything in your life and having all the hurt and pain mike endured coming from the streets and now having money no one to guide him on how to spend his wealth tell me how a trouble soul achieved that respect mike stop talk trash because I'm sure you'd never live a day in mikes shoes at mikes early career holy field nor Lewis wanted no part of mike and they have said it now who's you to say differently
Bruh, lewis was still an amateur before tyson went to prison lol
What he should've asked Holyfield about was his PED use and he would've bolted off of that set.
Holyfield was too complete of a fighter for Mike Tyson, both mentally and in the sweet science. He doesn't get fooled, intimidated or spiritually affected by anyone, not even Muhammad Ali could have affected his mentality leading up to the fight and during the fight. So I think this is why Tyson lost to him.
Lennox you shouldn't make fun of Mike because he is a real gladiator.
I love Tyson in his early days of his career, but the fact is Tyson's declining performance was his own fault, his lost to Holyfield & Lewis was also his fault coz he didnt take the chances with 100% focus like he used to, he realised it now & accepted it, but his die hard fans refused to believe it.
Why you guys always make excuses for man? Didn't cross your mind that he wan't good enough? Truth is he had many flashy KOs in his time but he lost from both elite fighters he fought with.
Yes bob thats right,im glad u are getting the picture!! Good to know that your'e finally coming to your senses!
According to Max Kellerman there has never been a heavyweight champion who consistently fought top 10 guys the way Lewis did. - Nuff said
It is good sportsmanship when opponents can get together to talk about their boxing match
These guys are all time greats!
You're a bigger man than I thought. You can actually have a laugh at yourself. I appreciate that.
Lmao Tysons Fucking Awesome!!! Love that guy..
Lennox Lewis knows what a kind of a dirty fighter holyfield was
i love Tyson with all my heart.
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Ultimately Mike Tyson wanted to be adored and loved by the masses, that's what still happens to this day. He has accepted he was wrong and been very humble and magnanimous in all of his defeats in and out of the ring.
Best of the biters.
Mike Tyson Vs Luis Suarez
Make it happen!
made that up all by yourself.......damn
Exactly, Evander was 34, Lewis was 37, they said Evander was washed up coming up to the Tyson fight.
Tyson in his prime beats them both in the same night..
Yeahhhh
I dont think so .Lennox Lewis is great athlete and boxer better than Tyson but i got huge respect 4 Tyson.
+LA TIGRE Lewis the most boring and arrogant fighter ever
Holyfield has always been the most skilled out of the 3 but lacked the power of a natural heavyweight, Lennox faught alot of the best of his era when they were on the decline and even a past his prime Holyfield arguably won the second Lewis fight.
RandomRyu *kills both
We don't bite, but we head butt.
Mike Tyson won a lot of his fights with just intimidating his opponents. These two were true warriors who were not intimidated by his antics, especially Holyfield who was the first.
Buster Douglas beat Tyson first
@@just_bee9482 Yeah but buster Douglas didnt care if he died. He was psyco not scared. Lennox and Evander were calm not scared
@@dylanburston7453 you clearly don't know what psycho means... lennox is a psycho but not holyfield or douglas
@@cabezadepija7318 When did Lennox ever display psyco behaviour? He was famous for being cool headed, he slept before every fight. He never initiated fights outside the ring.
@@dylanburston7453 yeah thats the whole cool thing he's so cold look at his eyes... reminds me of sugar ray leonard in a similar way in that his whole demeanor is just a reaction not a feeling
Lol Lennox did the perfect impersonation of Mike
Lewis vs Holyfield...most boring fights ever. What a dud these two were matched up together
boxing vs boxing, its always like that
Only been to one baseball game went to Toronto in 1992 to see relatives watched the Blue Jays vs Milwaukee Brewers still got the programme.
damn ... the size of Evander and Lewis ... monster arms ... monster punch ...
I love Lewis's story. Glad I stumbled onto this clip.
Tyson never bit Lewis leg. ..
that's all bullshit to hype up the fight and bring in big bucks in pay per view
Tyson actually did bite his leg. Lewis showed the press the mark the next day. And what are you on about, saying that Lewis just said that to hype up the fight? This interview of Lewis and Hollyfield was at the 2012 Olympics, 10 years after the Tyson vs Lewis fight.
@RANDOM VIDEOS DAILY DAILY He swung the punch in such anger that he missed. Then Lewis punched Tyson on the head, Tyson's head was bleeding. Then Tyson dived down and bit Lewis on the leg. I remember it all like it was yesterday. I've watched many times since as well.
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He learned to box as an amateur in Canada. He also had Emanuel Stewart as a trainer.. He evolved through both systems.
All that matters is the final product.
is it me or do lewis have HUGE hands?
Holyfield and Lewis may laugh.... but it is Tysons name that will live on for hundreds of years when both there names are forgotten.
They both fought Tyson in his decline and the question will always remain..could they of beaten a 23 year old prime Mike Tyson?...... I think not!
Tyson is the king 🌋🌋
I wonder if he ever bit Robin.
Lewis is the most arrogant fool that ever existed in boxing
Regardless of lewis's achievements,he will never posess the awe,popularity,and excitement that was mike tyson. In their prime,if both tyson and lewis were fighting different opponents on the same night,tyson would generate more ppv's and general interest.
TYSON! One of the best. LEWIS! One of the best. HOLYFIELD! One of the best. ALI! The best ;)
Lewis was best! Ali more piar men
Lewis is best of all time
The left hook that rocked Vitali in the 5th was no fluke; neither was the uppercut in the 6th that buckled Vitali's legs.
to the people saying the tyson in his prime argument is bullshit etc, if you knew anything about boxing you'd realise that just because tyson was still physically in shape when he came out of prison, doesnt mean he was the same fighter. when did you see tyson throw a jab and a right hand over and over again when he was with rooney. if the tyson that constantly moved his head and worked thebody, and threw combinations i.e the fighter from 85-88. these two would not have stood a chance, evander in particular.
Lewis was the better fighter than both Holyfield and Tyson, but he wasn’t the finished fighter until he got with Manny in 95.
It’s also a fact that both Bowe and Tyson ducked Lewis. Bowe dumped the wbc belt in the bin, and Tyson in 96 faced Holyfield rather than Lennox, expecting an easier ride. In regards to Holyfield though, have nothing but the upmost respect for him…and he did much better in his 2nd fight with Lewis. It would have been interesting if Holyfield fought Lewis between 93-94. If Holyfield didn’t have his health issue at that time, and this is Lewis pre Manny Steward, I think Holyfield could well have edged a close decision.
Holyfield still would of beat Tyson in his prime in my opinion, but who knows
+PHILLY JED Possible but it was a different mike back then.
ye in ur dreams
You're right, but there are way too many Tyson fanboys to see it. Lewis is a really underrated fighter, considering hes beaten every boxer he ever fought. Tyson had a very short shot of fame and then fell flat, whereas Lewis has been consistenly good throughout his career.
Agree with cujo
too bad too many ppl don't realize that, cause they are not familiar with what was behind Tyson's greatness in the middle 80's
Muhammad Ali would have stopped Tyson and both of these men
How do you get that? Tyson, as great as he was to watch, KO'd only bums or washed up fighters. Tyson even admitted he had trouble going the distance due to breathing conditions. Ali was famous for going 15 rounds and had a devastating jab, as well as quick speed and reflexes. Ali beat the best heavyweights in history of the sport. Men like Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Quarry, etc. I can not say the same for Tyson. Not only that, but Tyson tended to falter when bullied (look at the Holyfield fights). Ali would get into Tyson's head and toy with him. This is what makes Ali apart from many fighters, the ability to stay calm and focused regardless of the deep fear inside, and Ali uniquely displayed this with comedy.
Daniel Dunn Mike beat so many champions and beat people who had more experienced dumbass
Mike in prime was unstoppable
I have seen a sweep. I have seen multiple flying knees that connect and do serious damage.
Both great fighters, but prime Tyson was the best possible fighter.
MrGoalTV haha not really. not at all. one of the best, but not the best
THAT IMPRESSION OF MIKE TYSON BY LENNOX @1.27 SO FUNNY
A lot of people going on about "tyson in his prime.." Truth is the calibre of his opponents early on were low. He didnt face real challengers. There was nothing in the same league
Tyson beat everyone available. He beat Holmes, he beat spinks, and razor. He fired Rooney then went to prison, when he came back his offense was good but his defense had deteriorated drastically.
Holmes, spinks, razor, they don't compare to the likes of Sonny Liston, Fraiser or George Foreman. They also don't compare to Holyfield or Lewis. Tyson had it easy in his prime.
A lot of people have died in the ring, that don't make their opponent automatically amazing. You know nothing about boxing.
I would say that Tyson would beat Forman just because he's faster + he threw better combonations and he'd beat Joe Frazier just because Joe wasn't great in the first 2 rounds of the fight.
Perhaps Tyson would have won both fights, but they would have been tough fights, not the mickey mouse opponents he faced.
Great interview, love these stories
What a bunch of typical and uneducated Tyson fans we have in the comment section below! Holyfield was a 25-to-1 underdog before he fought Tyson. Nobody had him winning. It's always the same damn excuse....."Mike wasn't in his prime". BULLSHIT!
Tyson had only lost to Buster Douglas in 1990 and was coming off winning another 8 matches straight. Holyfield hurt Tyson like nobody else could before...even more so than Buster Douglas did. I like Tyson, but some of his fans are truly delusional if they think he was unbeatable and wasn't still in his prime when he fought Evander Holyfield.
Tommy WM He was in his prime in 86-88. When he fought holyfield he was obviously a diff slower, less aggressive fighter
Tommy WM When Tyson fired Kevin Rooney after the Spinks fight, he stopped moving his head and was not the same fighter again so yes when he was fighting Evander he was not in his prime. Tyson was a bum and his corner sucked when he fought Buster Douglas.
Tommy WM AFter being jailed and all the shit the media did to him and all that he went through - these guys fought Mike Tyson at 30%, period.
His will was gone and spirit crushed. He was in a mock trial that was completely set up in every way with his own lawyers working against him. It just wan't the same man. Get over it. No one's making excuses for him, we're giving you what actually happened in reality...
First of all mike bit holyfield in retaliation to evanders headbutts hes very good at headbutting on the inside where mills lane couldnt see it neither the judges. So I defend mike on that cuz evander was cheating in some headbutts which eventually cut tysons right eye. Two: the biting of lennox I guess he saw an opportunity to strike and it happened to be his leg lol
batista35500 Yep that was the last match him with Kevin Rooney. And Tyson after said that he was in terrible shape on the that fight and that Spinks came to fight really hard.
this is the funniest interview ever
lewis is the best technical HW fighter i've ever watched - hardest hitting too
Paul hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I was talking about me saying prime Tyson 85-88 and you discounting that and saying Tyson loses either way and not making allowances but you seemed to be doing that with Lewis and Klitschko in your post to Mr Snow regarding Lennox's age.
Look at all the battered Mikey's fanclub members here. Lewis and Holyfield proved their superiority in the ring. That is all that matters. Lewis proved that he was the best of the era by beating Tyson, Holyfield, Klitschko and anybody else who mattered except Chicken Bowe who pussied out and ducked Lewis.
***** really? Lewis was 37 years old when he fought Klitschko, whereas Klitschko was in his prime, and yet Lewis still won, Klitschko may've been leading on the cards but that doctor stoppage saved him from getting a serious beating; Lewis was coming on strong and was landing his right hand at will with Klit's vision severely impaired, Lewis didn't owe him a rematch and was already talking about retirement prior to that fight anyway, he's one of the only boxers to have defeated every man he ever faced, that is a dominant fighter
***** proving your point? lol your argument is the one with the "ifs", if Lewis hadn't turned Klitz's face into hamburger meat maybe he would've won by points, and if pigs had wings they would fly etc, here's the fact: Lewis won and Klitz can go cry about it, another fact: Lewis retired as the last undisputed heavyweight champion, maybes are for losers and Lewis is a winner
***** your arguments are getting very dull, no I don't judge fights on how faces look or on blood, I judge them by results, doctor stoppages are part of boxing and if you don't get that then you are the one who doesn't understand boxing, and yes he lost to 2 underdogs but he avenged those losses, every good fighter loses sometimes, you obviously have a hate-on for Lewis so you aren't going to change your mind, but I'm sure Lewis isn't losing too much sleep that crybabies like you didn't enjoy his fights
lewis waited until they were out of their prime so lewis isn't a true winner
***** It's almost funny how people say stuff like you do. It's not that it's not true, it's just that it's true for any fighter you want to talk about.
Tyson lost to a third tier fighter named Buster Douglas. Was Douglas better than Tyson? Who did Tyson ever beat in their prime that was a great fighter? What happened when he got knocked down? He stayed down, and groped like Mr. Magoo. How does Tyson manage to be past his prime at 24, just because that's when he lost? That's awfully convenient - when a guy loses, that proves he's past his prime.
I could say the same stuff about Ali. He struggled against scrubs like Sonny Banks and Zora Folley in his prime, although at least he knocked the latter out. Then he finally fought a great young fighter in Frazier, and lost. Then he fought Norton three times, a guy far from great, and never could convincingly beat him.
Marciano? Pick on his opponents.
Holmes? Ditto, plus nearly getting knocked out a few times.
Foreman? Folded the first time he got tested, and got bounced off the canvas by Jimmy Young and Ron Lyle.
Frazier? Fought two great fighters, and lost to them both, twice. Nearly was KO'ed by Bonavena.
Louis? Fought nothing but bums, got raped by Schmeling, and won a horrible decision against Walcott the first fight. Plus, had terrible movement.
You get the point, if you don't like a guy, you can pick on anything, and you'll probably be right. Lewis wasn't perfect. So far, no heavyweight has even approached it. All have flaws, and all have styles they struggle with. Honestly, it's much more interesting that way, anyway.
At least Holyfield admits that they both caught Mike Tyson when he wasn't at his best. He said that no one knew where his punches would come from in his prime but later everyone knew exactly when, how and where he would punch from... that's when everyone decided they wanted to fight him. Both Holyfield and Lennox avoided the Tyson that was running through the division for years.
Lennox Lewis is the next best after Ali.
It will never be another Ali
You know bro, if he wasn't put in jail, his light would've been shining until the middle of this decade
"Weaker" is a relative term. I didn't say Holmes was weak per se. I said in comparison to the notably strong Lewis he was. Most guys who fought Lewis were surprised by how strong he was - even for his size.
Trevor Berbick went the distance with Holmes. In fact he gave him a pretty good fight. Berbick wouldn't do anything against Lewis. If he tried to force an ugly fight Berbick wakes up in the hospital. The biggest difference between Holmes and Lewis is Lewis' elite power.
unlike tyson, lennox was a professional and boring boxer ,,,he used tactics to beat his opponents rather than emotions...thats what makes lennox different than tyson I guess,,,they were both good fighters tho....btw lennox was older when he beat tyson so dont make stupid comments
that facial impression Lennox made of Tyson while he was biting him looked a lot like the dramatic squirrel. Look up "Dramatic Squirrel" on youtube and you'll see the incredible resemblence
Personality wise these two are not even worth a toenail of Mike Tyson.
Mike is my man but Damon Wayans told a story about Mike Tyson biting him because he thought he did the impression of him on In Living Color...but Keenan did the impression! LOL
Not from late 86-88.He had the least amount of flaws.His style was the best since ali because his skills were all equal to some degree but so many fight fans and tyson bashers claim two things which wern't true with tyson from late 86-88, his mental weakness and no adversity and his punching power. Actually his best asset wasnt even his power and his mental conditioning was flawless in that period because he had the confidence of his condtiioing and corner.9 dominating title defenses before 23
Lennox Lewis reaction towards Mike face was hilarious lmao🤣1:28
Bob I know Holyfield took HGH because I watched the second fight with Tyson who is pretty strong and he was throwing Tyson round like a Rag Doll at one point and Holyfields use of the head was a disgrace, no wonder Tyson went Nuts.When you watch Holyfield against Bowe and Lewis that's why he could compete against men 25-30 pounds heavier DRUGS.
Where do you see Lewis throw any Crosses in fights I am struggling the Left Hook he used occasionally when he was a Novice Pro but I never saw him use it in his prime, it was all Jab and Right Hand and his hold me down Uppercut.
I pointed out he TKO'd Vitali - the current champ - who is pretty much untouchable right now. So how does that equate to he can't fight heavy hitters. He can fight heavy hitters. He has fought heavy hitters. And he has defeated every heavy hitter he has faced - just like every other fighter he has ever faced. Only Marciano shares that distinction btw. Can't say the same for Tyson.
Emanual Steward said in an interview; "Lennox could fight but that wasn't his strong suit."...thats good enough for me, if you think about it, he was an excellent ameteur boxer with that stand up european style of boxing.
Seeing how it is only one round. I will check that out right now. Been a long time.
Oh my god that is classic with Lennoxs impression of Tyson chomping on his leg!!!
He snacked a piece of it! 🤣
Tua's sparing partner: "David Tua hit hard enough to knock my headgear clean around my face."
1:27 on point
Say what you want but Holyfield was better than Lewis, first fight was won by Lewis instead of draw but the second was won by Holyfield, but they wanted to give fight back to Lewis after unfair result of first fight. And Holyfield was 10 times more entertaining.
"Lewis has no inside game" really none? The inside game is not his strong suit but watch the fight with Grant. In fact he held Grant's head down and landed a nasty uppercut. And yes I realized you tried to offer that as a criticism. Well as Tyson said, "this isn't a picnic."
Great jab; tremendous strength; agile for a big man; skilled like a middleweight; smart strategic fighter; possibly the best right in history; killer uppercut; great spacing; great ring generalship; tall; great defense
Klitschkos and Lewis fly in the face of that argument. Lewis was a two time medalist: bronze and gold.
Boxing is simplistic compared to MMA and the NFL so I'm pretty sure I can handle it.
I'm obsessed with power and strength and yet you're the one that considers masterful displays of the sweet science boring. If you knew boxing, you would appreciate Lewis and in particular Lewis v Holyfield I and Lewis v Rahman II- absolutely brilliant displays. Power &skill: LLv Golota; LL v Ruddick
I realize we are going to disagree here but watch the start. Watch the start of both really.
You have to get Tyson's respect to slow him down. You see that throughout his career. His big hope is to do major damage early and end soon. Or reduce his opponent to holding on.
He had all the movement he ever did, early in those fights. The difference between RR and Spinks is RR "hits like a fucking mule kick" and is much larger. So Tyson didn't have his way early and started to slow a bit.
Bob you still haven't answered the question why Holyfield and Lewis avoided Corey Sanders in the ninties who had a very good record at that time something like 35 wins 1 loss, answers on a post card please.
Let me help you out. Vitali was stopped - that's pretty conclusive. Lewis looked old and slow which may be due to what Jim Lampley described as "flagrantly under-conditioned". Vitali was in tip top shape. The only thing the rematch would do, presuming Lewis was motivated to get into fighting shape, would be to allow Lewis to dominate Vitai.
It's better that Vitali fans have their doubts.
ES trained Vlad your're right. Lewis' wife gave him an ultimatum. He decided to keep his wife. Respect!
Anybody who knows anything about boxing knows these 2 were both great fighters and tyson fan boys who say he could of walked through them are living in dream land , people forget tyson never stopped green tucker Smith are that great fighters I rest my case
1984; and when he meet evander in J.O, he say to him " i dont sparr with you cause youre my friend now and i dont want to hit you"
Evander says at this time tyson knocked out his sparring partner!