Hi! I’ve been a fan since mortius’ first epic reaction so it’s mega cool you got to see my animatic :D Hope you enjoyed it (and the hand signal was intentional, Antinous is a slimeball)
Hey! In case you read this, wanted to say your ‘Thunder Bringer’, ‘Legendary’, _and_ ‘Little Wolf’ are my favorites of all of them. I adore the scene in Thunder Bringer where Penelope fades away, leaving only Zeus, and there are too many in the others to list that are my favorites 🩵 (🤔Though, the Athena Quick Thought for “Uppercut him. Now.” in particular _slapped_ )
The reason why Telemachus is listing those monsters is because he HAS heard of stories of them as a warning story. People during that actually believed in these monsters, it was their way of explaining weird things happening. “Hey how did the ship full of crew suddenly become empty?” Damn sirens got to them. “How did this ship get wrecked so badly???” Those folks must have ran into Scylla sucks for them I guess. To us as modern day people we know these are just story but to these people they were very real and tried to warn everyone about them to avoid you know, dying. This also applies to Folk Tales about Fairies and the Fae. Sure to us they were nothing more than crazy story but to those people that was them explaining why people would just disappear into the woods. It was their way of saying “Hey you need to be very careful or else the Fae will get you!!” These stories are warning tales for these people at the time so you know, they don’t die. It’s just Telemachus retelling the stories he has heard his whole life. Think of it as his version of kids stories.
And a core piece of evidence within the musical is the fact that Odysseus even recognised Sirens before meeting them. The only time he was particularly caught off guard mythologically was when it came to there being multiple Cyclopes on the island
@@MrJoeyWheelerYup that too. You can technically count that line in Full Speed Ahead the “But the problem’s not the distance it’s what’s lie in between” line to be specific
Antinuous is canonically (from the Odyssey) older than Telemachus but younger than Odysseus. The 600 men under Ody's command would have represented all of the grown men in fighting shape on Ithaca at the start of the Trojan war. All of the suitors were left behind because they were children or young teens at the time. So by the Wisdom Saga, Odysseus is probably at least in his mid-40's, Antinuous is early 30's or so, and Telemachus is barely 20. To compare to our current generations, if Ody and his crew were Gen X, the suitors would be millennials and Telemachus is Gen Z.
SPOILERS: This actually becomes a key plot point at the end of the Odyssey after Ody slaughters all the suitors, because two entire generations of the noble men of Ithaca are dead, leaving only old men and young boys.
I actually saw an interesting article about The Odyssey, particularly Penelope's situation. In Ancient Greece, a woman (particularly one of Penelope's station) could not be left as a widow. She was obligated to be loyal to her husband if he's still alive, but she was also obligated to remarry if Odysseus was dead. And at this point in the Odyssey, it's been 10 years since the end of the Trojan War. 10 years of not knowing if he's alive or dead. So she's in a really hard position by the expectations & conventions of Ancient Greek society.
Man, so she's kind of in this impossible schrodinger's cat situation, huh? If she remarries, she's betraying her husband, but if she DOESN'T, she's betraying her family and culture. Poor girl.
@workchannel8053 exactly. She's in an impossible situation. She's gotten through it by her wit so far, but she and her son are in an increasingly tricky situation.
I love how in Duvetbox's animatic Telemachus chooses to drop the sword and fight Antinuous barehanded. It feels like a bit of his father's cunning mind, choosing a fight that, if not giving him a better chance of victory, at least gives him a better chance of survival. I feel like I could leave it at that, but the pause and importance of the drop makes it feel like a conscious, thought out decision by Telemachus. Most people would just fight with the weapon already in their hand rather than choosing to drop it and risk putting themself at a disadvantage. But he knows Antinuous can't just stab the unarmed prince. It's just such a neat moment that characterizes him so well.
Basically it forced Antinous to use his fists because if he just straight up stabbed Telemachus after Telemachus dropped the sword and raised his fists, it'd probably be seen as cowardice by the suitors thus damaging Antinous' rep with them and piss off a lot of gods like say Ares
My Little Wolf headcanon is that in the final "Fight, little wolf, fight" chorus, some Suitors are outright cheering for Telemachus. Think about it: all 108 of them want to marry Penelope, but only one of them will, likely the strongest. Right now, the strongest is Antinous, but that might have not always been the case: perhaps he became their de facto leader by defeating whoever held that position before him. So if Telemachus beat him now, other Suitors could use the shame of the defeat to their advantage to steal his spot and make their chances of becoming king better.
on the subject of the "hades wasnt a thing yet when the odyssey was written"... kinda? hades has really never shown up much in stories that arent specifically about him or his house, but he is *referenced* in the odyssey, especially when they're actually in the underworld. however, the story of the odyssey predates homer's writing of it, by somewhere between 300-500 years. and in between the story's birth and homer's recording of it, there was a nearly 400 year long dark age where we have basically no written records, where seemingly a LOT of the gods we now consider big shots in the pantheon were created, or had their roles shuffled around-- Hades being theorized to be both, an offshoot of pre-dark ages (mycenean) posidon left to fill the role of king of the underworld. but also, again, writing about hades and the underworld gods in general was considered rather icky by the ancient greeks overall, and in the story of the odyssey his inclusion wouldn't have really changed anything lol. tldr: technically, hades was already an established member of the pantheon by the time homer was writing, but he was fairly new and also nobody wanted to talk about him too much so he didnt get included anyways :)
I also love the fact that during one of the few times he is mentioned in the Odyssey, he is as you would expect, mentioned in the same breath as Persephone, but the Odyssey refers to her as dread Persephone, and I kind of think that's funny given the public consensus of Persephone as a goddess of perpetual sunshine or Good times, and the Odyssey in one breath lets you know that the person we grew up believing was the literal Greek version of Satan, is really just a kind of passive dude who only messes with you if you break into his house, and Persephone is the actual one you have to watch out for (I've heard that when Odysseus goes through the underworld he actually assumes that it's Persephone screwing with them, rather than Hades, that's a funny little role reversal we've done in modern times.)
@@dragansnyder2786 YEP! She's actually an older goddess than Hades is (as in, we've got evidence of her existing far earlier than we have evidence of Hades), so it kinda makes sense that she'd be scarier lol
@@fromhigherthings5168 if I'm not mistaken she comes from the times when Poseidon was King of the underworld? My brain is kind of failing me right now I can't remember if the older version of Poseidon was King of the underworld or King of the gods, know that there's no reference to Persephone being kidnapped at all, but now I just can't remember which of the roles Poseidon filled in micanaen mythology, it's probably the Persephone was ruler of the underworld because that would make sense for the whole dread Persephone thing, but now I'm just typing in a stream of consciousness, so I'll just cut myself off now.
@@dragansnyder2786 from what people can tell (from what little mycenaean writing can be read), king of the gods and King of the underworld were the same thing! that version of the myth is a lot ickier (Poseidon is her dad AND the one who kidnaps Persephone, for one) and there's a word amount of horses involved but. yeah Persephone was DEFINITELY more established as a force. not to mention the whole mycenaean mystery cult around her and her mother....
Hades is already a thing when the Oddyssey is written since on it's prequel The Illiad, he was mentioned quite a few times albeit with different titles like "He who has many guest" (i think that's one of his titles not sure if it's accurate tho). They usually mention Hades with those kinds of epithet since it is believed that mentioning them by their actual name will make them take notice of you and him being a God of the Underworld, usually means that will be bad news. They do that thing with Persephone, too.
I noticed that, too. Gotta love when other creators do something that shows up in other creator’s work. I’ve seen Casper and Mortius in the comments in so many other creator’s reactions.
@@AzziyaOnline yep! I’ve actually met CyYu at an anime convention, and he is still one of my favorite convention interactions, since he stuck to his character Cyno’s personality and told us a bad dad joke.
8:32 That's a misconception. Many people(including myself at first) mistake Antinous of Ithaca and Antinous of Bithynia. The ladder died when he was 19. The suitors(including Antinous) on the other hand were all about 25-35, since they were basically men who were barely too young to be forced to join the Trojan war(had less then 16-18 years old when it started)
Wow, Athena placing her Mother's Helmet on someone isn't a thing that I'd thought I'd ever see, but damn that's such a powerful image. One of the few things she has to remember Metis, the very forging of which helped Athena escape her father's body, being openly placed in the care, even temporarily, is something that choked me up. Won't lie.
something i want to mention, telemachus is shown to be portrayed as smart like odysseus. he draws his sword on antinous, but moves to his fists because he knows he's more likely to walk away from a fist fight than a sword fight
YAY I made it to another video! Thank you for reacting 🥺 I'm glad we got to talk! If you end up going back to watch any of my other things, I reccomend Ruthlessness, def my fav animatic hehe
I don't think Antinous is YOUNGER than Telemachus, but he is certainly not MUCH older. Theres a bigger chance that he was at most a preteen when the war started, as the young kids were left behind. ESPECIALLY since he call Tele "Boy". why would he call him that if he was younger than him, and especially in that tone of voice. Tele is 20 years old. Antinous is likely mid twenties at least to mid thirties. Antinous is an adult, like the suitors. Telemachus is barely becoming an adult by the standards of the time. (everything I could get real quick says 20 in most of greece for boys) Antinous is also kind of the "lead" suitor. Grown men would not let a technical child be ahead of them. he would have to be one of the oldest, or at least in the middle
Yes. He was certainly under 15 when the war started. Had he been older than 15, he would have joined the army (like Achilles). Antinous is only a few years older than Telemachus.
For most of Ancient Greece (Sparta excepted) the age that a person joined the military was 18. So the oldest Antinous could be is 27. All of the suitors would probably be 20-27 years old. Bunch of MILF fanboys, LOL!
There was, actually, a kid (I don't remember his name). He was same age as Telemachus, and he was the son of an old friend of Odysseus. When Odysseus came, he gave the young boy a chance to leave, but he didn't. Maybe that's who they're referring to? But he was certainly not Antinous
9:34 This is not visual wise but has anyone else noticed there is a very small but very noticeable growl in Telemachus' voice when he says 'you'? Also if you come back for alternate animatics, i highly suggest PurpleskyDL's Little Wolf animatic
5:20 To be fair we all know about things that exist in the world that we never seen in person. In their reality it's just a fact that this things exist.
27:59 hear me out, what if athena giving telemachus the helmet is like her accepting him as her 'warrior' sort of thing, just like a thought.. but its so adorable
We will never stop loving Polites, but Telemachus is starting to replace him as my favorite character, and I hate myself for saying that. Penelope raised him well, and Odysseus would be so proud of him if & when they meet in-person.
Just to inform Casper abt Hades, he was totally a thing in the Odyssey i think he didnt exist in the mycenaean or minoan cilizations (civilations that dates back of what we know as ancient greece and where a lot of hellenic gods come from) so there was no mention of Hades on those texts and Poseidon seem to be both god of the sea and the underworld, my point is that Hades is a 100% hellenic god but im not sure if there is a homeric hymn to him (bc it was rare to write abt gods of the underworld)or if it was lost
I was also just reading up on that and yeah Hades did exist during the Odyssey, Hades is the oldest of the 3 brothers, but a couple of reasons for not being mentioned or depicted is 1) His name is derived from the meaning of the Unseen One so unless you are dead or the like I don't think you would see him unless he reveals himself as he did have the Invisibility Helmet, 2) depending when they visited the Underworld in the Odyssey as it is said Hades does not really visit Olympus he could of been with Persephone as she spent 6 months of the year not in the underworld as the Godess of Spring he went with her I believe. I don't know if any of this is right just what I perceived and collated together from reading so I could be wrong.
@@Linzi86 oh i havent thought abt it that way thats really interesting :D i almost always assume that ppl at the time didnt like to write abt the gods of the underworld bc of the fear of thinking abt their mortality but yeah i think that they are both there in the underworld at the moment bc Ody has to sacrifice a ram(? and a sheep to Hades and Persephone and also Ody thinks that Persephone is punishing him when he cannot hug the soul of his mom or well he thinks that a lot of the things that happen there is of bc Persephone probably showing that she was more fear then Hades himself (im just rambling at this point)
@@fabycutedark they could of been there yes especially with the sacrifices Ody has to do, I don't know about the about the fear of mortality with the Ancient Greeks but I don't think they feared Hades as he was the God of the Underworld not of Death that was Thanatos and Hynos and their sister I forgot the name of, Hades maintains the balance of the underworld and was generally seen as a neutral God and was passive unless you upset the balance of the universe that he prosided over, (I'm rambling now lol)
@@Linzi86 totally, this is all what i think and dont know if its correct but there is no god thats view as bad but they were all fear out of respect equally Hades may not be the god of death but he was still king of the underworld where all mortal end up so some ppl view him as a protector, terrifing ruler or both (english is not my first language but this is fun xd)
YES YES YES I SEE ARTEEST AND DUVETBOX IN THAT THUMBNAIL LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO WE WIN THESE I will say once again, whenever you do alternate animatics for thunder bringer, PLEASE do duvetbox, they did an AMAZING depiction of Zeus Edit: yeah, arteest's depiction of We'll Be Fine made me cry SO HARD
I'm sure people said this in the live chat, but as far as I know Antinous IS young but he's older than Telemachus, Odysseus knew (and I think held or cared for? unsure) Antinous when he was very young, so he was around before Odysseus left
Slight correction (not arguing about Antinous’ age), but the one Odysseus held and cared for was Eurymachus, another one of the suitors (not to be mixed up with Eurylochus, of course). (It’s however probably still likely that Antinious is also slightly older than Telemachus)
Greek mythology explanation: The age of the suitors compared to Telemachus, In the odyssey the Antonius and one other act as the leaders of the suitors and when they're told of about their rudeness by the rest of Ithaca the elders bring up how Odysseus was nice to them when they where children, but it's also implied that they may have been to young to remember, so they're older than Telemachus but not necessarily by much, as for the rest of the suitors I'm sure they vary in ages. In epic they may have aged up the suitors since Telemachus says "old faces" implying that they're notably older than him. When did hades become part of the greek pantheon, I recommend you watch the overly sarcastic productions video on Hades and Persephone, but basically you don't want to talk about underground gods because it may bring their attention to you. In the odyssey the underworld is referred to as the house of Hades but when they talk to the ghost it says that they must leave before "dread Persephone" becomes uppset. In the video I mentioned they discuss that it appears as if Hades is a fairy recently added god to the pantheon while persephone is older. Long story short Hades is a god in the odyssey but he isn't mentioned directly.
In Casper’s defense on calling Poseidon hades , some early regional Mycenaean cities like pylos may have worshipped Poseidon as a god of the underworld, some myths suggest an entry to the underworld is at the bottom of the sea, however hades soon became the norm for an underworld deity. The problem with Greek mythology is it varies from city to city, ESPECIALLY the stories like the Iliad and the odyssey where in cities. In Athens, homosexuality was actually banned for a while . So the relationship would have Achilles and Patroclus would definitely be two roomates in their portrayals of the Iliad. While in Thebes, some period scholars write about same sex unions happening at temples of Dionysus , so the pairing would likely be seen as a tragic romance. Ancient Greek society was so much more complicated than we think and it’s just so fascinating! tl;dr Ancient Greece is very complicated and Casper may have been right about Poseidon being “hades” if you ask an early Mycenaean
eyy, history thoughts: so, Cerberus is one hundred percent mentioned in the homeric hymns. However, he also gets mentioned as "the hound of Hades" (or more specifically as one of the versions of the name, which in homeric greek would've often been Aidoneus or Aides. But neither of them were particularly important for the greater story, at most episodic. Also a side note: Homer didn't write the epics. He's associated with them, but he was a singer/performer, rather than a scribe, and what we call "homeric hymns" are someone's recollections and editorials of what epics Homer and other travelling performers told as the great stories of the time, not only having shared them between each other, but also gaining them from folklore and religious teachings. It's a whole thing that was like, knocked into my head in secondary, so I can't just let you guys go on thinking he authored them.
10:37 about not entirely sure about Hades not existing yet, but it's possible since he really isn't mentioned at all. But you know who gets mentioned? Persephone! She's been the Queen of the Underworld way longer than Hades in myths. Cerberus may have been already there since there is a ruler
I highly recommend mikuchis’ ‘Love in Paradise’. They truly popped off with the environment. Their Time Dive was very creatively shown, and emotions are so perfectly conveyed. 10/10
Oh wow. I think Archie’s version of Little Wolf is my favourite so far. I love all the different style of art each animator brings ti the different songs. They all do amazing work. Well done to everyone.
the thing is the odys storie plays after a lot of the other myths and so a lot of monsters are just known to the general public. like cyclopes are very old beings for exemple they also have a creation myth for themselves, the Sierens are a well known obsticle just as Skylla. The chimera is and Cerbrus are also well known monsters. These people would have heared the stories of the heros before them to be able to tell their own myths. So it can be that Telemachus is just imagining what beasts could have encountered Ody and what kind of monsters he would have to beat to be a bit like Ody and be closer to him in that way.
5:04 Mortius and Casper, Greek Mythology was (and still is) a Religion, called Hellenism, they believe in Sirens, just as Christians believes in Angels. Thank you for you time.
I absolutely loved these, but especially seeing you react to your friend. It's support like that that makes sharing art worthwhile in my experience and i how we continue to get to enjoy their art for a long time to come.
Also apparently, antinuos is never actually given an age in The Odyssey, and the one you've been hearing about is from a different myth, you're still kind of right because the consensus seems to be that antinuous is somewhere between 25 and 26, so they aren't too far apart in age, but for someone as arrogant as him having five or six years on telemachus would probably represent total superiority
13:54 legendary is my absolute favorite favorite song I can’t believe I missed the ✌🏽👅 and I know asl in general where that originates from. How did I never notice
If you guys ever do alternate animatics i hope you guys check out duvetbox's Thunder Bringer, duvetbox is new to the EPIC scene but as you can see, their animatics are AMAZING
10:30 ish Hades is in The Iliad though... I believe he gets a quick description as a god and is mentioned multiple times. Edit: interestingly if I remember right Homer describes him as hateful towards mortals but in pretty much every other myth after that he's probably in the top 5 gods you'd want to try and negotiate with... cuz compared to his brothers he's pretty fking chill. Edit 2: 26:52 ... how did they not talk about how our boy Telemachus pulls Athena out of the shadows of her depression and *into the light*?
I absolutely adore when we get to see everyone's beautiful art, hard work, and help more people learn that they exist! Let's lift up more rising artistic stars!
Yaaaaaaayyyy! I just watched pretty much all of your guy’s EPIC content. I just listened to it this week and now I’m obsessed. EPIC is a disease and I don’t want the cure.
My favorite part of Thee Arteest's animatic was Telem' pulling Athena into the light. Love the symbolism there. Also, the way Athena looks at her helmet is the same as how Odysseus did in both Witchey's and GiGi's Just a Man animatics.
TheeArteest has my favorite Suffering/Different Beast animatics, and Duvetbox has my favorite Thunder Bringer. Good choices! If you do more animatic reactions, maybe you could check out Irunaki? Their design for Athena is absolutely stellar.
I remember a while ago in thunder bringer animatic, they might do a live stream of other people animatics like we want them to react to Neal's Ruthlessness
I'm a bit late but catching up... my head canon for how Telemachus knows about the monsters, beyond the basics that there are general legends passed around, is knowledge left in Ithaca by Odysseus via Athena. Throughout the musical, Ody reveals a lot of information about different immortals and monsters (most obviously in siren behavior and Scylla). The best, most reliable source he would have had would have been Athena- which makes sense, given they've known each other for what seems to be at least a decade. They've talked about different monsters, threats, and how to face them. So Ody writes the info down, which leave Telemachus, yearning after any information from/about his father to go over his scrolls and notes, and dream...
On Caspers question about the existence of Hades. Ancient Greece and its gods are kind of complex in a way that there are essentially two "ancient greece's" there is the Ancent Greece that we know, with Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades being brothers and ruling the sky sea and underworld. But there was a time before that version of Ancient Greece called Mycenaean Greece. It's basically the ancient Greece to ancient Greece with the two time periods separated by a sort of "Dark Age." Homer's Odyssey is written in the time of ancient Greece but written about the time of Mycenaean Greece. And for example, I'm Mycenaean Greece, Hades might not have been a thing with that role of underworld god being actually filled by Poseidon, who also had the role of being head of the Olympians instead of Zeus. When Greece came out of its Dark Age many of the Gods got a rework and shuffled around. Persephone actually predates Hades as an underworld deity too. I hope the way I put this makes sense.
I've always liked in this version of Legendary that Telemachus DOES have some sword training, if only on a basic level. It would make sense as his father is a commander of the army that he'd be taught at least a little, or even just watch the soldiers training and mimic them.
4:58 Hey. The answer is literarry "His mom". A woman who keeps the kindom safe, Ody`s straith and dogs wining is defenetly raising her son with some knowlege about comone stuff. Not to mention she most likely aware of Athena, so she have at least a pressure from a godness to make her little pup smart and educated as much as possible. +++ Athena didn`t say her name, but Telemacus recognised her and asked "Why Athena?" . From whom you may quess he knows about her? Not from his papa :^)🙃
Ithaca is an island and sirens are common legends among sailors, as for the mention of Cerberus, Telemachus is singing this part twenty years after his father left Ithaca, it is possible that the notion of Hades being the god of the underworld occurred after Odysseus's trip to the underworld
SO SORRY I MISSED THE LIVE STREAM YESTERDAY! I was on my way to a friends wedding (I love them dearly but the introvert in me cried for missing 12 hours of my day because of it... ) Please know I CANNOT stop the grin on my face watching your videos. You two are so wholesome and awesome, such great dynamic, and the reaction and analysis area also so insightful and on point! And I adore how much you both appreciated the We'll Be Fine animatic with Athena being humanized along with Teagan's vocals. (Mortius, are you okay????) Genuinely love being able to start a lazy day watching this to relax. Also Mortius flipping after not being family friendly for not even 5 seconds LMAO. Also @Bog I see you freaking out on the Divine Godmother and RWBY reference in the live chat. lol And Mason... I continue to adore your edits. Thank you for being the rock to OAR, grounding everyone and point out things Mortius and Casper missed. XD
Actually, in the stage directions for the Circe Saga, we know that she summons a chimera, which Odysseus summons a cyclops to counter. The hydra can reference either Scylla or Charybdis, harpies & mermaids are frequently given the hypnotic melodies of sirens in fantasy, Cerberus is the guardian of *_the Underworld,_* and the idea of one of the suitors being Cretan is far from impossible. *_ALL_* of the monsters reference events in The Odyssey, and I think that's kinda neat
The people of Ithaca here story’s from those who met him on his travels but since there path has had so many obstacles it has taken them so long that others have already returned with stories
There is a 19 year old Antinous, but he was a lover of the Roman Emperor Hadrian in the 2nd century CE. Odyssey/Epic Antinous is of unspecified age, but probably safe to assume at least 10 years older than Telemachus.
Thank you for appreciation for this little wolf animatic I agree we have been spoiled and we should appreciate someone like this who still has storyboard Animatics. Anyway Mortius, how do you miss yourself as a suitor like you noticed Casper but not yourself? Great reaction my favorite depiction of Telemachus is duvetbox’s version, if we are talking only about animatics.
Cyclopes are quite numerous, and aren't just ployphemus and his kin, or the elder cyclopes that assisted the gods in the giganomachy war and forged zues lighting bolts
Regarding Telemachus singing about cyclops, sirens, etc, I just took it as it being him giving examples of monsters/beings that he has heard tales of growing up. Like someone talking about how someone might have "fought bears bearhanded", not to mention, it might be easier for him to imagine beating these monsters that he has never encounctered, rather than having to beat the ones living under his own roof
EPIC has one of the most well-adjusted fandoms I've seen in a while. An unusual anomaly, but then I realized that no one wants to be associated with the suitors, lol. 😂 "'Because they're getting impatient. Dangerous too."
Didn't Odysseus and the others already know what most of the monsters they faced are? It makes sense to me that Telemachus would also know if it's just common knowledge to them
I like to think of the monsters that telemachus mentioned as his own reasoning as to why odysseus is gone for 20 years. Like yes, he fought some of those but he even mentiones harpies, minotaurs, and cerberus. He's naming monsters that always in somehow end up in stories like that yk? edit: nvm u mentioned this, i just paused right before LMAO
I personally think Hades is not represented because he is NOT one of the big 12. The Big 12 are Zeus, Poseidon, Hera, Demeter, Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis, Apollo, Ares, Hephaestus, Hermes, and either Hestia or Dionysus.
Omg duvetbox! Theyre my favorite epic animator, they have my FAVORITE Suffering and Different Beast animatics. Id love to see you react to their other work!
Hades was DEFINITELY around when Homer wrote the Odyssey. He mentioned Hades in both the Odyssey and the Iliad - but Hades is only MENTIONED. It’s a way to describe the Underworld: “the domain of Stalwart Hades and Dread Persephone”. Hades is one of the few gods in Greek mythology who actually took his role seriously 100% of the time. That’s why there are so few myths with him. The other gods mess around with mortal affairs all the time, but Hades only shows up in a story personally if it’s ABOUT him, his wife, or a mortal who’s trying to get something from him.
11:00 i want to make note that Hades was probably around and god of the underworld he just doesn't really care about what's going on in the land of the living
By the way, you can use the "" keys to go back and forward one frame at a time, so if you miss something you can go back frame by frame, or go forward through a scene frame by frame to see it Edit: you should also check out gigi's We'll be fine, it's really good!
Telemachus knows about cyclops and sirens (etc) for the same reason Odysseus knew about them. Stories about these monsters are well known in their cultures. He doesn't know that his father fought them in this journey, he just knows that that's what heroes fight. It's not much of a leap to think he would idolize his father and assume he was a hero fighting monsters.
I'm very sad that you didn't comment on the Open Arms motif at the end of We'll be Fine. Almost like Telemachus is the new source of optimism and positivity in the story.
While I see why they reacted to Archii’s Little Wolf, I wish they’d also react to the one by Duvetbox or Irunaki ! Those two are my personal favourite :)
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will you react to those on yt as well?? 🥺
Please check out Duvetbox’s Little Wolf too!
Please react to them too 🥺🥺 pls
Hey look up ' hades was not impressed by Performance' It's a short and it's hilarious.
Edit Read some of the comments to 😂
Please react to AnniFlamma ( God Games) it´s so good😍🥺
Hi! I’ve been a fan since mortius’ first epic reaction so it’s mega cool you got to see my animatic :D Hope you enjoyed it (and the hand signal was intentional, Antinous is a slimeball)
We LOVED it - Thank you so much for sharing your art with us! (and thanks for the insight haha) -C
Hey! In case you read this, wanted to say your ‘Thunder Bringer’, ‘Legendary’, _and_ ‘Little Wolf’ are my favorites of all of them. I adore the scene in Thunder Bringer where Penelope fades away, leaving only Zeus, and there are too many in the others to list that are my favorites 🩵 (🤔Though, the Athena Quick Thought for “Uppercut him. Now.” in particular _slapped_ )
Duvetbox i absolutely adore your animatic for Legendary
You got me to hate him even more!
HEY DUVETBOX💙
Mortius isnt family freindly for 5 seconds and the universe breaks something
That's what I thought lol
Same, i though mason made the glitch for fun. I was wrong
I like how the second Mortius does anything non-PG rated his entire power system nopes out.
The reason why Telemachus is listing those monsters is because he HAS heard of stories of them as a warning story.
People during that actually believed in these monsters, it was their way of explaining weird things happening. “Hey how did the ship full of crew suddenly become empty?” Damn sirens got to them. “How did this ship get wrecked so badly???” Those folks must have ran into Scylla sucks for them I guess.
To us as modern day people we know these are just story but to these people they were very real and tried to warn everyone about them to avoid you know, dying.
This also applies to Folk Tales about Fairies and the Fae. Sure to us they were nothing more than crazy story but to those people that was them explaining why people would just disappear into the woods. It was their way of saying “Hey you need to be very careful or else the Fae will get you!!”
These stories are warning tales for these people at the time so you know, they don’t die. It’s just Telemachus retelling the stories he has heard his whole life. Think of it as his version of kids stories.
Yeah. These are just all creatures that exist in their world. And the ones Odysseus faces are very well-known ones, so it makes sense.
And a core piece of evidence within the musical is the fact that Odysseus even recognised Sirens before meeting them. The only time he was particularly caught off guard mythologically was when it came to there being multiple Cyclopes on the island
@@MrJoeyWheelerYup that too. You can technically count that line in Full Speed Ahead the “But the problem’s not the distance it’s what’s lie in between” line to be specific
Antinuous is canonically (from the Odyssey) older than Telemachus but younger than Odysseus. The 600 men under Ody's command would have represented all of the grown men in fighting shape on Ithaca at the start of the Trojan war. All of the suitors were left behind because they were children or young teens at the time. So by the Wisdom Saga, Odysseus is probably at least in his mid-40's, Antinuous is early 30's or so, and Telemachus is barely 20. To compare to our current generations, if Ody and his crew were Gen X, the suitors would be millennials and Telemachus is Gen Z.
SPOILERS:
This actually becomes a key plot point at the end of the Odyssey after Ody slaughters all the suitors, because two entire generations of the noble men of Ithaca are dead, leaving only old men and young boys.
Telemachus being Gen Z makes the "L-l-l-legendary" even funnier now that I think about it XD
I actually saw an interesting article about The Odyssey, particularly Penelope's situation. In Ancient Greece, a woman (particularly one of Penelope's station) could not be left as a widow. She was obligated to be loyal to her husband if he's still alive, but she was also obligated to remarry if Odysseus was dead. And at this point in the Odyssey, it's been 10 years since the end of the Trojan War. 10 years of not knowing if he's alive or dead. So she's in a really hard position by the expectations & conventions of Ancient Greek society.
Man, so she's kind of in this impossible schrodinger's cat situation, huh? If she remarries, she's betraying her husband, but if she DOESN'T, she's betraying her family and culture. Poor girl.
@workchannel8053 exactly. She's in an impossible situation. She's gotten through it by her wit so far, but she and her son are in an increasingly tricky situation.
I love how in Duvetbox's animatic Telemachus chooses to drop the sword and fight Antinuous barehanded. It feels like a bit of his father's cunning mind, choosing a fight that, if not giving him a better chance of victory, at least gives him a better chance of survival. I feel like I could leave it at that, but the pause and importance of the drop makes it feel like a conscious, thought out decision by Telemachus. Most people would just fight with the weapon already in their hand rather than choosing to drop it and risk putting themself at a disadvantage. But he knows Antinuous can't just stab the unarmed prince. It's just such a neat moment that characterizes him so well.
Basically it forced Antinous to use his fists because if he just straight up stabbed Telemachus after Telemachus dropped the sword and raised his fists, it'd probably be seen as cowardice by the suitors thus damaging Antinous' rep with them and piss off a lot of gods like say Ares
@@PupGamer93 Exactly! :)
My Little Wolf headcanon is that in the final "Fight, little wolf, fight" chorus, some Suitors are outright cheering for Telemachus.
Think about it: all 108 of them want to marry Penelope, but only one of them will, likely the strongest. Right now, the strongest is Antinous, but that might have not always been the case: perhaps he became their de facto leader by defeating whoever held that position before him. So if Telemachus beat him now, other Suitors could use the shame of the defeat to their advantage to steal his spot and make their chances of becoming king better.
on the subject of the "hades wasnt a thing yet when the odyssey was written"... kinda? hades has really never shown up much in stories that arent specifically about him or his house, but he is *referenced* in the odyssey, especially when they're actually in the underworld. however, the story of the odyssey predates homer's writing of it, by somewhere between 300-500 years. and in between the story's birth and homer's recording of it, there was a nearly 400 year long dark age where we have basically no written records, where seemingly a LOT of the gods we now consider big shots in the pantheon were created, or had their roles shuffled around-- Hades being theorized to be both, an offshoot of pre-dark ages (mycenean) posidon left to fill the role of king of the underworld. but also, again, writing about hades and the underworld gods in general was considered rather icky by the ancient greeks overall, and in the story of the odyssey his inclusion wouldn't have really changed anything lol.
tldr: technically, hades was already an established member of the pantheon by the time homer was writing, but he was fairly new and also nobody wanted to talk about him too much so he didnt get included anyways :)
I also love the fact that during one of the few times he is mentioned in the Odyssey, he is as you would expect, mentioned in the same breath as Persephone, but the Odyssey refers to her as dread Persephone, and I kind of think that's funny given the public consensus of Persephone as a goddess of perpetual sunshine or Good times, and the Odyssey in one breath lets you know that the person we grew up believing was the literal Greek version of Satan, is really just a kind of passive dude who only messes with you if you break into his house, and Persephone is the actual one you have to watch out for (I've heard that when Odysseus goes through the underworld he actually assumes that it's Persephone screwing with them, rather than Hades, that's a funny little role reversal we've done in modern times.)
@@dragansnyder2786 YEP! She's actually an older goddess than Hades is (as in, we've got evidence of her existing far earlier than we have evidence of Hades), so it kinda makes sense that she'd be scarier lol
@@fromhigherthings5168 if I'm not mistaken she comes from the times when Poseidon was King of the underworld? My brain is kind of failing me right now I can't remember if the older version of Poseidon was King of the underworld or King of the gods, know that there's no reference to Persephone being kidnapped at all, but now I just can't remember which of the roles Poseidon filled in micanaen mythology, it's probably the Persephone was ruler of the underworld because that would make sense for the whole dread Persephone thing, but now I'm just typing in a stream of consciousness, so I'll just cut myself off now.
@@dragansnyder2786 from what people can tell (from what little mycenaean writing can be read), king of the gods and King of the underworld were the same thing! that version of the myth is a lot ickier (Poseidon is her dad AND the one who kidnaps Persephone, for one) and there's a word amount of horses involved but. yeah Persephone was DEFINITELY more established as a force. not to mention the whole mycenaean mystery cult around her and her mother....
@@fromhigherthings5168 yes the two queens… do I see a sarcastic productions fan? Because these are almost word for word the things red says 😉
WINIONS... assemble
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"SOMETIMES K***ING IS A MUST"
"...what"
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IM here! Had to get the holy moly whatd i miss
@@navimcfarland9113 the depression saga
Hades is already a thing when the Oddyssey is written since on it's prequel The Illiad, he was mentioned quite a few times albeit with different titles like "He who has many guest" (i think that's one of his titles not sure if it's accurate tho). They usually mention Hades with those kinds of epithet since it is believed that mentioning them by their actual name will make them take notice of you and him being a God of the Underworld, usually means that will be bad news. They do that thing with Persephone, too.
The "You-know-who" of Hellenism
But iirc, in the Underworld, Odyssey!Oddyseus mentioned Dread Persephone when he was being mindscrewed by the underworld.
So, I watched CyYu react to Epic animations. I couldn’t help but notice his chat contained “Wet Hades” during Ruthlessness. I’m just sayin
I noticed that, too. Gotta love when other creators do something that shows up in other creator’s work. I’ve seen Casper and Mortius in the comments in so many other creator’s reactions.
@@loubug9309 If Divine Sugar Mama is Mortius legacy, then Wet Hades IS Casper legacy. And it will forever be in our Fandom
Cyyu fan spotted 👀
@@AzziyaOnline yep! I’ve actually met CyYu at an anime convention, and he is still one of my favorite convention interactions, since he stuck to his character Cyno’s personality and told us a bad dad joke.
@@loubug9309 what was the joke? Was it wasabee
8:32 That's a misconception. Many people(including myself at first) mistake Antinous of Ithaca and Antinous of Bithynia. The ladder died when he was 19. The suitors(including Antinous) on the other hand were all about 25-35, since they were basically men who were barely too young to be forced to join the Trojan war(had less then 16-18 years old when it started)
Wow, Athena placing her Mother's Helmet on someone isn't a thing that I'd thought I'd ever see, but damn that's such a powerful image. One of the few things she has to remember Metis, the very forging of which helped Athena escape her father's body, being openly placed in the care, even temporarily, is something that choked me up. Won't lie.
Man I really hope they do Duvetbox’s Little Wolf eventually. The fight choreography is so good in that one
something i want to mention, telemachus is shown to be portrayed as smart like odysseus. he draws his sword on antinous, but moves to his fists because he knows he's more likely to walk away from a fist fight than a sword fight
ok but is no one gonna talk about how calling Telemachus "little wolf" is a reference to the "pack of wolves" line from Ruthlessness
Archi including Casper and Mortius as suitors… and they’re next to each other!
YAY I made it to another video! Thank you for reacting 🥺 I'm glad we got to talk!
If you end up going back to watch any of my other things, I reccomend Ruthlessness, def my fav animatic hehe
@@theearteest06 Heyyy I'm so happy for you!! Your We'll be Fine is still my favorite animatic of the song
@@yay29823 thank you so much 🥺🥺🥺♥️💕💕 she's a little silly but she's my baby
OMG IM SO PROUD OF YOU ❤
I don't think Antinous is YOUNGER than Telemachus, but he is certainly not MUCH older. Theres a bigger chance that he was at most a preteen when the war started, as the young kids were left behind. ESPECIALLY since he call Tele "Boy". why would he call him that if he was younger than him, and especially in that tone of voice. Tele is 20 years old. Antinous is likely mid twenties at least to mid thirties. Antinous is an adult, like the suitors. Telemachus is barely becoming an adult by the standards of the time. (everything I could get real quick says 20 in most of greece for boys) Antinous is also kind of the "lead" suitor. Grown men would not let a technical child be ahead of them. he would have to be one of the oldest, or at least in the middle
Yes. He was certainly under 15 when the war started. Had he been older than 15, he would have joined the army (like Achilles). Antinous is only a few years older than Telemachus.
Antinuous is about 26, 27 maybe
Antinous of Rome was a year younger than Telemachus. Antinous of Ithaca was a few years older from what I know. I lot of people get them mixed up.
For most of Ancient Greece (Sparta excepted) the age that a person joined the military was 18. So the oldest Antinous could be is 27. All of the suitors would probably be 20-27 years old. Bunch of MILF fanboys, LOL!
There was, actually, a kid (I don't remember his name). He was same age as Telemachus, and he was the son of an old friend of Odysseus. When Odysseus came, he gave the young boy a chance to leave, but he didn't.
Maybe that's who they're referring to? But he was certainly not Antinous
9:34 This is not visual wise but has anyone else noticed there is a very small but very noticeable growl in Telemachus' voice when he says 'you'?
Also if you come back for alternate animatics, i highly suggest PurpleskyDL's Little Wolf animatic
5:20 To be fair we all know about things that exist in the world that we never seen in person. In their reality it's just a fact that this things exist.
Only sad that you watched Duvetbox's legendary because I like their little wolf the best. Great stuff either way, including Mason's interjections.
I like their "Little Wolf" the best as well. I think it's phenomenal. The designs, the show of their characters and emotions... It's fantastic.
Fun fact! Hades actually had a song in the musical, but had to be scrapped, but he shows it off in a tik tok, and it's actually SO PREETY!!!
I absolutely love duvetbox's Little Wolf animatic. I love their character design for Antinuous & Telemachus.
27:59 hear me out, what if athena giving telemachus the helmet is like her accepting him as her 'warrior' sort of thing, just like a thought.. but its so adorable
We will never stop loving Polites, but Telemachus is starting to replace him as my favorite character, and I hate myself for saying that. Penelope raised him well, and Odysseus would be so proud of him if & when they meet in-person.
I don't think Polites would mind!
Just to inform Casper abt Hades, he was totally a thing in the Odyssey i think he didnt exist in the mycenaean or minoan cilizations (civilations that dates back of what we know as ancient greece and where a lot of hellenic gods come from) so there was no mention of Hades on those texts and Poseidon seem to be both god of the sea and the underworld, my point is that Hades is a 100% hellenic god but im not sure if there is a homeric hymn to him (bc it was rare to write abt gods of the underworld)or if it was lost
I was also just reading up on that and yeah Hades did exist during the Odyssey, Hades is the oldest of the 3 brothers, but a couple of reasons for not being mentioned or depicted is 1) His name is derived from the meaning of the Unseen One so unless you are dead or the like I don't think you would see him unless he reveals himself as he did have the Invisibility Helmet,
2) depending when they visited the Underworld in the Odyssey as it is said Hades does not really visit Olympus he could of been with Persephone as she spent 6 months of the year not in the underworld as the Godess of Spring he went with her I believe.
I don't know if any of this is right just what I perceived and collated together from reading so I could be wrong.
@@Linzi86 oh i havent thought abt it that way thats really interesting :D i almost always assume that ppl at the time didnt like to write abt the gods of the underworld bc of the fear of thinking abt their mortality but yeah i think that they are both there in the underworld at the moment bc Ody has to sacrifice a ram(? and a sheep to Hades and Persephone and also Ody thinks that Persephone is punishing him when he cannot hug the soul of his mom or well he thinks that a lot of the things that happen there is of bc Persephone probably showing that she was more fear then Hades himself (im just rambling at this point)
@@fabycutedark they could of been there yes especially with the sacrifices Ody has to do, I don't know about the about the fear of mortality with the Ancient Greeks but I don't think they feared Hades as he was the God of the Underworld not of Death that was Thanatos and Hynos and their sister I forgot the name of, Hades maintains the balance of the underworld and was generally seen as a neutral God and was passive unless you upset the balance of the universe that he prosided over, (I'm rambling now lol)
@@Linzi86 totally, this is all what i think and dont know if its correct but there is no god thats view as bad but they were all fear out of respect equally Hades may not be the god of death but he was still king of the underworld where all mortal end up so some ppl view him as a protector, terrifing ruler or both (english is not my first language but this is fun xd)
Hades was mentioned in Homer's Hymn to Demeter (i think that was Homer) which has the hades and Persephone story!!
I love Telemachus leading Athena into the light of the balcony and away from the shadow of the dark room in "We'll Be Fine", it was so sweet!
YES YES YES I SEE ARTEEST AND DUVETBOX IN THAT THUMBNAIL LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO WE WIN THESE
I will say once again, whenever you do alternate animatics for thunder bringer, PLEASE do duvetbox, they did an AMAZING depiction of Zeus
Edit: yeah, arteest's depiction of We'll Be Fine made me cry SO HARD
Sammmme. I teared up a fair bit
I'm sure people said this in the live chat, but as far as I know Antinous IS young but he's older than Telemachus, Odysseus knew (and I think held or cared for? unsure) Antinous when he was very young, so he was around before Odysseus left
Slight correction (not arguing about Antinous’ age), but the one Odysseus held and cared for was Eurymachus, another one of the suitors (not to be mixed up with Eurylochus, of course).
(It’s however probably still likely that Antinious is also slightly older than Telemachus)
I think Casper meant that Ayron Alexander is younger than Mico
Greek mythology explanation:
The age of the suitors compared to Telemachus,
In the odyssey the Antonius and one other act as the leaders of the suitors and when they're told of about their rudeness by the rest of Ithaca the elders bring up how Odysseus was nice to them when they where children, but it's also implied that they may have been to young to remember, so they're older than Telemachus but not necessarily by much, as for the rest of the suitors I'm sure they vary in ages. In epic they may have aged up the suitors since Telemachus says "old faces" implying that they're notably older than him.
When did hades become part of the greek pantheon,
I recommend you watch the overly sarcastic productions video on Hades and Persephone, but basically you don't want to talk about underground gods because it may bring their attention to you. In the odyssey the underworld is referred to as the house of Hades but when they talk to the ghost it says that they must leave before "dread Persephone" becomes uppset. In the video I mentioned they discuss that it appears as if Hades is a fairy recently added god to the pantheon while persephone is older. Long story short Hades is a god in the odyssey but he isn't mentioned directly.
In Casper’s defense on calling Poseidon hades , some early regional Mycenaean cities like pylos may have worshipped Poseidon as a god of the underworld, some myths suggest an entry to the underworld is at the bottom of the sea, however hades soon became the norm for an underworld deity.
The problem with Greek mythology is it varies from city to city, ESPECIALLY the stories like the Iliad and the odyssey where in cities. In Athens, homosexuality was actually banned for a while . So the relationship would have Achilles and Patroclus would definitely be two roomates in their portrayals of the Iliad. While in Thebes, some period scholars write about same sex unions happening at temples of Dionysus , so the pairing would likely be seen as a tragic romance.
Ancient Greek society was so much more complicated than we think and it’s just so fascinating!
tl;dr Ancient Greece is very complicated and Casper may have been right about Poseidon being “hades” if you ask an early Mycenaean
eyy, history thoughts: so, Cerberus is one hundred percent mentioned in the homeric hymns. However, he also gets mentioned as "the hound of Hades" (or more specifically as one of the versions of the name, which in homeric greek would've often been Aidoneus or Aides. But neither of them were particularly important for the greater story, at most episodic.
Also a side note: Homer didn't write the epics. He's associated with them, but he was a singer/performer, rather than a scribe, and what we call "homeric hymns" are someone's recollections and editorials of what epics Homer and other travelling performers told as the great stories of the time, not only having shared them between each other, but also gaining them from folklore and religious teachings. It's a whole thing that was like, knocked into my head in secondary, so I can't just let you guys go on thinking he authored them.
Telly obv knows about the monsters Odysseus encounters by listening to Epic on youtube.
10:37 about not entirely sure about Hades not existing yet, but it's possible since he really isn't mentioned at all. But you know who gets mentioned? Persephone! She's been the Queen of the Underworld way longer than Hades in myths. Cerberus may have been already there since there is a ruler
I highly recommend mikuchis’ ‘Love in Paradise’. They truly popped off with the environment. Their Time Dive was very creatively shown, and emotions are so perfectly conveyed. 10/10
Oh wow. I think Archie’s version of Little Wolf is my favourite so far.
I love all the different style of art each animator brings ti the different songs. They all do amazing work. Well done to everyone.
I would give ANYTHING to see you guys react to Duvetbox’s Little Wolf animatic it’s my favorite epic animatic of all time 🙏
Really liked these animatic picks! I obviously love Gigi and Anni's as much as anyone else but it's great to see some other folks
the thing is the odys storie plays after a lot of the other myths and so a lot of monsters are just known to the general public. like cyclopes are very old beings for exemple they also have a creation myth for themselves, the Sierens are a well known obsticle just as Skylla. The chimera is and Cerbrus are also well known monsters. These people would have heared the stories of the heros before them to be able to tell their own myths. So it can be that Telemachus is just imagining what beasts could have encountered Ody and what kind of monsters he would have to beat to be a bit like Ody and be closer to him in that way.
5:04 Mortius and Casper, Greek Mythology was (and still is) a Religion, called Hellenism, they believe in Sirens, just as Christians believes in Angels. Thank you for you time.
"Hellenism"? We don't call it that :') We call it "dodekatheism" unless there's a sub-religion I'm unaware of
@@Into_The_Sin wait really? I see so many people call it Hellenism😭
mortius mentioning the maidens' eye aura from RWBY made my heart so happy, because i thought the exact same thing when i saw archi's little wolf!
I love seeing y'all react to these animatics, especially lesser-known channels. This was a blast! ❤
I absolutely loved these, but especially seeing you react to your friend. It's support like that that makes sharing art worthwhile in my experience and i how we continue to get to enjoy their art for a long time to come.
Also apparently, antinuos is never actually given an age in The Odyssey, and the one you've been hearing about is from a different myth, you're still kind of right because the consensus seems to be that antinuous is somewhere between 25 and 26, so they aren't too far apart in age, but for someone as arrogant as him having five or six years on telemachus would probably represent total superiority
13:54 legendary is my absolute favorite favorite song I can’t believe I missed the ✌🏽👅 and I know asl in general where that originates from. How did I never notice
Surprisingly Persephone predates Hades as a chthonic god. (Although at that time Poseidon was also a chthonic god as well.)
*quietly nudges Rochi’s legendary animatic forward*
Plz?
If you guys ever do alternate animatics i hope you guys check out duvetbox's Thunder Bringer, duvetbox is new to the EPIC scene but as you can see, their animatics are AMAZING
In the Odyssey, the leader of the Suitors was Eurymachus. Antinous is essentially just a renamed Eurymachus that's why he isn't 19 here but way older.
I just missed the live premiere. Always fun seeing your takes on the animatics. But I greatly recommend DuvetBox's "Little Wolf".
15:40 got 'HE SAID THE THING!🙌' vibes 😂
10:30 ish Hades is in The Iliad though... I believe he gets a quick description as a god and is mentioned multiple times.
Edit: interestingly if I remember right Homer describes him as hateful towards mortals but in pretty much every other myth after that he's probably in the top 5 gods you'd want to try and negotiate with... cuz compared to his brothers he's pretty fking chill.
Edit 2: 26:52 ... how did they not talk about how our boy Telemachus pulls Athena out of the shadows of her depression and *into the light*?
I absolutely adore when we get to see everyone's beautiful art, hard work, and help more people learn that they exist! Let's lift up more rising artistic stars!
Yaaaaaaayyyy! I just watched pretty much all of your guy’s EPIC content. I just listened to it this week and now I’m obsessed.
EPIC is a disease and I don’t want the cure.
Love your reactions to the Animatics so much,
After the coosco comparison. All i think is. Hephaestus whay dit you get kicked off olimpis ?
Hephaestus: i throw of Hera's groov , BEWHEAR THE GROOV!
My favorite part of Thee Arteest's animatic was Telem' pulling Athena into the light. Love the symbolism there.
Also, the way Athena looks at her helmet is the same as how Odysseus did in both Witchey's and GiGi's Just a Man animatics.
TheeArteest has my favorite Suffering/Different Beast animatics, and Duvetbox has my favorite Thunder Bringer. Good choices!
If you do more animatic reactions, maybe you could check out Irunaki? Their design for Athena is absolutely stellar.
BEGGING, WHEN YOU GO BACK FOR ANIMATICS, THE ARTEEST FOR RUTHLESSNESS!! 🛐🛐
Also, this part (27:48 - 27:52) is really good and hurts me :')
Hey guys quick question: will you be doing reactions to other animatics? If so will they be on RUclips?
I remember a while ago in thunder bringer animatic, they might do a live stream of other people animatics like we want them to react to Neal's Ruthlessness
@temmiehoi688 well then let's get this noticed cause I have my list
@@navimcfarland9113they will but scheduling has moved around because of releases
@@ceceduncan4615 fair fair
I'm a bit late but catching up... my head canon for how Telemachus knows about the monsters, beyond the basics that there are general legends passed around, is knowledge left in Ithaca by Odysseus via Athena. Throughout the musical, Ody reveals a lot of information about different immortals and monsters (most obviously in siren behavior and Scylla). The best, most reliable source he would have had would have been Athena- which makes sense, given they've known each other for what seems to be at least a decade. They've talked about different monsters, threats, and how to face them.
So Ody writes the info down, which leave Telemachus, yearning after any information from/about his father to go over his scrolls and notes, and dream...
Duvetbox's animatics have been so good
Oh I am SO hyped for y'all to see more of TheeArteest's epic animatics. Neither of you are ready for their take on 'Different Beasts'.
Yaaay Winions!! I love Duvetbox legendary and little wolf animatics!!❤❤
On Caspers question about the existence of Hades. Ancient Greece and its gods are kind of complex in a way that there are essentially two "ancient greece's" there is the Ancent Greece that we know, with Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades being brothers and ruling the sky sea and underworld. But there was a time before that version of Ancient Greece called Mycenaean Greece. It's basically the ancient Greece to ancient Greece with the two time periods separated by a sort of "Dark Age." Homer's Odyssey is written in the time of ancient Greece but written about the time of Mycenaean Greece. And for example, I'm Mycenaean Greece, Hades might not have been a thing with that role of underworld god being actually filled by Poseidon, who also had the role of being head of the Olympians instead of Zeus. When Greece came out of its Dark Age many of the Gods got a rework and shuffled around. Persephone actually predates Hades as an underworld deity too. I hope the way I put this makes sense.
I've always liked in this version of Legendary that Telemachus DOES have some sword training, if only on a basic level. It would make sense as his father is a commander of the army that he'd be taught at least a little, or even just watch the soldiers training and mimic them.
I’m an unhealthy exited for this.
5:20 Those myths and legends were common stories, Odysseus knew about most of them before interacting with them as well.
4:58
Hey. The answer is literarry "His mom". A woman who keeps the kindom safe, Ody`s straith and dogs wining is defenetly raising her son with some knowlege about comone stuff.
Not to mention she most likely aware of Athena, so she have at least a pressure from a godness to make her little pup smart and educated as much as possible.
+++ Athena didn`t say her name, but Telemacus recognised her and asked "Why Athena?" . From whom you may quess he knows about her? Not from his papa :^)🙃
Ithaca is an island and sirens are common legends among sailors, as for the mention of Cerberus, Telemachus is singing this part twenty years after his father left Ithaca, it is possible that the notion of Hades being the god of the underworld occurred after Odysseus's trip to the underworld
SO SORRY I MISSED THE LIVE STREAM YESTERDAY! I was on my way to a friends wedding (I love them dearly but the introvert in me cried for missing 12 hours of my day because of it... )
Please know I CANNOT stop the grin on my face watching your videos. You two are so wholesome and awesome, such great dynamic, and the reaction and analysis area also so insightful and on point! And I adore how much you both appreciated the We'll Be Fine animatic with Athena being humanized along with Teagan's vocals. (Mortius, are you okay????)
Genuinely love being able to start a lazy day watching this to relax.
Also Mortius flipping after not being family friendly for not even 5 seconds LMAO.
Also @Bog I see you freaking out on the Divine Godmother and RWBY reference in the live chat. lol
And Mason... I continue to adore your edits. Thank you for being the rock to OAR, grounding everyone and point out things Mortius and Casper missed. XD
Finally you saw Duvetbox! Lets goooo
Actually, in the stage directions for the Circe Saga, we know that she summons a chimera, which Odysseus summons a cyclops to counter. The hydra can reference either Scylla or Charybdis, harpies & mermaids are frequently given the hypnotic melodies of sirens in fantasy, Cerberus is the guardian of *_the Underworld,_* and the idea of one of the suitors being Cretan is far from impossible. *_ALL_* of the monsters reference events in The Odyssey, and I think that's kinda neat
We’re so back let’s goooo (did I already watch this on patreon? Yes. Am I watching it again? Duh, Morti and Cas content On Top)
AAAA i love duvetbox! their thunder bringer animatic in particular is a fave of mine
The people of Ithaca here story’s from those who met him on his travels but since there path has had so many obstacles it has taken them so long that others have already returned with stories
There is a 19 year old Antinous, but he was a lover of the Roman Emperor Hadrian in the 2nd century CE. Odyssey/Epic Antinous is of unspecified age, but probably safe to assume at least 10 years older than Telemachus.
Thank you for appreciation for this little wolf animatic I agree we have been spoiled and we should appreciate someone like this who still has storyboard Animatics. Anyway Mortius, how do you miss yourself as a suitor like you noticed Casper but not yourself? Great reaction my favorite depiction of Telemachus is duvetbox’s version, if we are talking only about animatics.
I vote you do a "We'll be fine" animatic's reation. Cause there is actually a lot of great ones!
Cyclopes are quite numerous, and aren't just ployphemus and his kin, or the elder cyclopes that assisted the gods in the giganomachy war and forged zues lighting bolts
Regarding Telemachus singing about cyclops, sirens, etc, I just took it as it being him giving examples of monsters/beings that he has heard tales of growing up. Like someone talking about how someone might have "fought bears bearhanded", not to mention, it might be easier for him to imagine beating these monsters that he has never encounctered, rather than having to beat the ones living under his own roof
EPIC has one of the most well-adjusted fandoms I've seen in a while. An unusual anomaly, but then I realized that no one wants to be associated with the suitors, lol. 😂
"'Because they're getting impatient. Dangerous too."
Didn't Odysseus and the others already know what most of the monsters they faced are? It makes sense to me that Telemachus would also know if it's just common knowledge to them
I like to think of the monsters that telemachus mentioned as his own reasoning as to why odysseus is gone for 20 years. Like yes, he fought some of those but he even mentiones harpies, minotaurs, and cerberus. He's naming monsters that always in somehow end up in stories like that yk?
edit: nvm u mentioned this, i just paused right before LMAO
I personally think Hades is not represented because he is NOT one of the big 12. The Big 12 are Zeus, Poseidon, Hera, Demeter, Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis, Apollo, Ares, Hephaestus, Hermes, and either Hestia or Dionysus.
Omg duvetbox! Theyre my favorite epic animator, they have my FAVORITE Suffering and Different Beast animatics. Id love to see you react to their other work!
Mortius PC was soo traumatized for the sign it froze XD
Hades was DEFINITELY around when Homer wrote the Odyssey. He mentioned Hades in both the Odyssey and the Iliad - but Hades is only MENTIONED. It’s a way to describe the Underworld: “the domain of Stalwart Hades and Dread Persephone”. Hades is one of the few gods in Greek mythology who actually took his role seriously 100% of the time. That’s why there are so few myths with him. The other gods mess around with mortal affairs all the time, but Hades only shows up in a story personally if it’s ABOUT him, his wife, or a mortal who’s trying to get something from him.
Cereberus/Kerberos (spotted) is one of Typhoeus and Echidna children. As Echidna is the mother of monsters
11:00 i want to make note that Hades was probably around and god of the underworld he just doesn't really care about what's going on in the land of the living
By the way, you can use the "" keys to go back and forward one frame at a time, so if you miss something you can go back frame by frame, or go forward through a scene frame by frame to see it
Edit: you should also check out gigi's We'll be fine, it's really good!
The Dogs name is Argos an Jorge has made a tiktok once where he said he wants to see him in Legendary and then never again in Epic
13:51 OH MY GOD I STRAIGHT UP GOT AN AD LMFAO
Telemachus knows about cyclops and sirens (etc) for the same reason Odysseus knew about them. Stories about these monsters are well known in their cultures. He doesn't know that his father fought them in this journey, he just knows that that's what heroes fight. It's not much of a leap to think he would idolize his father and assume he was a hero fighting monsters.
I'm very sad that you didn't comment on the Open Arms motif at the end of We'll be Fine. Almost like Telemachus is the new source of optimism and positivity in the story.
While I see why they reacted to Archii’s Little Wolf, I wish they’d also react to the one by Duvetbox or Irunaki ! Those two are my personal favourite :)
To the tune of “Tell me Athena why you came to my aid.”;
Tell me Mortius why you skipped the last line.