CIG has locked down the ability to change weapons for the SIZE 6 hardpoints RSI Polaris Polish Pass Polaris collision and animation physics optimizations. Animation Sound Effects Polish. Greatly increased the hydrogen fuel tank holds. Bespoke Guns: Fully locked down the hardpoint, added a custom locked down gimbal, includes the changes to the PDC radar priority. Updated and tuned RSI bespoke ballistic cannon ammo and cannon. Cannon is now 50 RPM with high armor penetration, Moderate ballistic damage and implemented simple overheat mechanics. Increased VFX size of bullet trajectory to match large turrets.
I'm really surprised that Polaris owners aren't losing their minds over this. It's incredibly disappointing after all this time to finally have the Polaris and see that we had a size 6 turret thinking that we could finally use those size 6 weapons in game. Then we find out it's bespoke, but fortunately we can change out the weapons. Then we can't. We are stuck with a mediocre Canon with limited ammo. Pilot controlled missiles that rarely work. Point defense that rarely works. Even the medical bay was a disappointment because you can't even tell it's there without looking at your mini map. That's quite different from the carrack with a very beautiful and obvious medical bay. We even have a completely non-functional captain's quarters at launch. I find it quite sad that I'm much more excited about the Star lancer than I am about the long-awaited Polaris.
The Attritions having the shortest ttk is no surprise, its got the hightest DPS. I would argue the choice is dependent on the ship you want to focus. If the target is smaller, a higher projectile velocity is super beneficial. Against other capital ships: Attritions/M8As, against connie size: Lightstikes/CF667, against squishy stuff: gatlings and against fighters maybe even the distortion scattergun!
The way in which the torps just loop over and head down when you launch them ( 14:20 ) looks like a cruise missile strike it’s soooo cool. Imagine a Polaris at jump town or ghost hollow just orbital striking every ship… so cool XD
No that isnt what we want, some choice yes by all means, but mixNmatch, jack of all trades. But i know what you mean, love customization in Tarkov, toy story games like Starfield and NMS, but not in my Star Citizen when i m spending $750+
@@StoneCoolds I love working within constraints, i spent years of God mode Cheat Codes and hacks, yet there has to be rebalancing, i love it all, i just play the game and care nothing for stats, possibly because im so used to playing DCS, but you enjoy SC anyway you can. Yor probably looking forward to Pyro?
@davewills148 I only play DCS and SC, im kinda distant from DCS currently, since there are no hardcore servers anymore, well there was just 1 to begin with lol, but now there is non S6 it's already a constrain, turret arche is another, there are plenty of those, bespoke it's just soft nerf, like tomorrow they will nerf the bespoke cannons to S4 damage for example. I used codes in N64 golden eye to get the weapons and in vice city to get money lol, but Never used hacks, I'm more of a skill oriented player, but I understand not everyone can scale at the same rate as others, and yes, I have seen the documental about why hacks should be legal to help people with depression, low self steam, etc, etc, still doesn't convince me plus cheating is a pretty good indicative of how the person is in reality, as someone that worked with Colombians for years, it's a give away lol (cheating in general, from games to serious stuff) I kinda want 4.0, but now that is soft core and more like an American hot sauce of Stanton, I'm not that thrilled about it, but still gonna give it a try
Yes i was addicted to DCS, then i stopped playing, they are too slow in development and the issue with razbam etc. There is nothing to do. So my main games are FS24 (2020) and Star C.
And the view, no game has such graphics. But at night looks very ugly in some places, wrong light position. Hope ray tracing will fix that. Lile FS24 with ray t. Looks such good
Gosh, I can't believe they messed up so badly on this weapon. You are better off with literally anything else. It has worse DPS than any other S6 gun. You could swap this for a Deadbolt VI and have the same projectile characteristics for better DPS. Why? CIG are scared of alpha damage. The Ion is a shining example of this
Oh wait, except they crippled the velocity of other cannons on top of the lowered velocity of ballistics, and now Deadbolts are even worse. Grab a CF-667 or Attrition-6 when they work and you'll do far better.
@@T2rx6 I'm sorry, but if I send a 16" naval cannon shell through the cockpit of your aurora at six times the speed of sound, I don't think there should be anything left but an expanding cloud of shrapnel. The trick is tuning it so that sending a 16" naval shell through the cockpit of an aurora should itself be rather unlikely, provided the aurora is at least paying attention.
@KiithnarasAshaa totally agree. And you counter that gameplay by making these huge cannons less likely to hit an Aurora if they are moving (hard not impossible). And then it's just pilot stupidity if you die.. it doesn't make sense how cig thinks! What are they gonna do when players get the Idris? Stop that railgun from obliterating ships??
Attrition lasers are not always the better choice. In the current modeling and balance, velocity tends to win over raw damage, especially if you plan on engaging smaller targets. If you designate your big S6 to only anti-capital work, then Attritions are the way to go - otherwise, the only practical choice is the Mammoth, with an honorable mention to the Draugar for having okay velocity for such a big ballistic gatling with good DPS
That front weapon should only be for fighting big capitals.. You're a capital ship, that's why you bring fighter screening escorts. The quads and the side turrets if anything would be better for anti-fighter screening - panthers/rhinos.
Scrolling throughout the comment section I noticed you are the only one who actually knows what he's talking about and knows the reality of SC and pvp in SC, too many people are just daydreaming or saying the devs should balance stuff around mechanics they haven't even begun to work on and won't be here in years if they're not scrapped entirely
@@srive17 220 M/S is not very slow, considering you can thrust your vehicle in multiple directions and gain distance rapidly. If you're asking this question, you're not PVPing a lot. I'd suggest hopping into AC with attritions and letting me know how that goes.
@@Vandreddd Generally what I can piece together is that Size 1 to 4 is meant for engaging smaller targets. Size 5 and 6 is meant for medium to larger targets. Size 7 and up is meant for sub capital to full capital ships.
Glad we are able to remove and change the size six weapons. For someone who doesn't like to constantly buy ammo its a relief. I hate the idea of being stuck with a bespoke weapon on this ship. For long engagements they are not ideal. Bespoke weapons are great if you can constantly resupply while in battle and after.
from what i have seem on polaris vs polaris combat it will probably still be very important to have ballists to maybe disable turrets on the enemy before taking the shields down
Projectile speed on that mammoth is king. Taking shields on a big ship is good but that speed will make it so you’re much more dangerous to the lighter ships as well.
It is important to note that it is not intentional that you can swap the s6 weapons out and won't be possible in the Live release anymore. Bespoke means bespoke for better or in pretty much all cases for worse. Still, very interesting to see how the S6 weapons perform right now since this is the only chance to test them we have right now so great and very informative video as always!
I see, hope we have that feature, but if not, at least we got to try out the size 6 guns which we never got a chance to see. Need to test the rest of them before this goes away
11:29 "out of capacitors" - you can assign each gun to separate group and fire them in turns. While one gun is shooting other is recharging. This way you can avoid pauses between firing and keep constant pressure on opponents shield.
You can equip them in the current PTU. That doesn't mean its going to stay. You know what "bespoke" means? CIG made a mistake to put the Polaris in the PTU which changing the front turret guns enabled for swapping out. Thats gonna bite them when they remove it from the Polaris before live.
At the moment the Ships have an HP pool however that will disappear once Engineering is introduced. Ballistic weapons will be able to penetrate up to certain armor values (think tarkov with bullets v armor) each ship will have its own armor value and certain size guns will be able to penetrate certain armor values otherwise you will need to strip away the armor/Hull using energy weapons to allow your rounds with less firepower to go through the hull because you are attempting to use the ballistics to shoot at the components in the ship to damage them and disable the ship. So due to this the Bespoke slower fire rate might be more beneficial since you have time to lead your shots and see where they are landing.
If you think for a moment that control surfaces or armor or relying on component damage will change the overall problems with combat geometry and single-seater dominance, you are fooling yourself. If anything, high-velocity weapons will dominate even more since they will have the effective range and precision to deal component damage, and fighters will have an even greater ability to apply that damage and avoid critical damage themselves. At best, these things will simply make the combat more of a slog and even less engaging and rewarding.
@KiithnarasAshaa I'm not really sure what you are trying to argue here I was just pointing out official information presented by CIG but I guess go off? Idk hope you have a good day
@@hitmanstallion2697 No, that's fair, I just see arguments all the time about how the damage modelling isn't finalized because of armor or component damage, or how the flight modelling isn't finalized because of control surfaces - including arguments from CIG, who seem to really misunderstand their own game.
So, did John Crewe troll us and they really simply just named the guns on the Polaris "Bespoke" as weapon name, or are they gonna make them bespoke, cause currently, they kinda suck :D
I use the taurus vor ERT Missions with ballistics cannons. I like the ballistics for this use case. In current patch, the only usecase for figthing with polaris is also ERT. I also use ballistics. Its the fastest way to kill. Currently, server are so laggy, its hard to kill ship because the mostly runnerband jumping. With ballistics ever shot makes damage. Maybe with better server Performance und pyro all will change and new usecases for polaris are possible...and than maybe laser are better choice. But maybe.
CIG claims they increased the penetration for the Bespoke when they lowered the fire rate. I would be curious if you could find a good way to test that.
I know that they want it to be bespoke, but why? Seems like a waste to develop a whole new weapon and restrict it. Also a shame to seemingly arbitrarily limit the weapon options on the ship.
I wonder if the PDU can be easily popped by a smaller ballistic loaded ship like an arrow. That would promote team gameplay wile also letting you conserve your torps. 12torps to 1kill seems like a lot.
im not sure if you mentioned it in the video, sorry if you did, but power allocation on weapons will allow a greater capacity on the turrets, perhaps the power settings on erkul were different to what you had set up in the MFD's?
The maximum capacitor is not wrong on erkul. But to achieve the full possible ammo count you need to mix between ballistic and energy weapons. The main weapon will be the torps. The turrets are it's secondaries, so they can be a bit neglected. I would go for the 3 big turrets with ballistic, and the rest with attrition. The chin size 6.. deadbolt or the standard. As both have the highest potential DMG output. You have to choose between rate of fire and bullet speed. For the s4: revenants or deadbolt. Short time high DMG vs longer gun play time. Ofc, all of that is only relevant if you can man the full ship. But then again - is there a reason to bring this ship out under crewed?
Btw you can load Extra Torpedos in the cargo bay and reload size 10 Torpedos after they run out manually increasing the amount of time you can stay out without going back to rearm. It’s incredibly satisfying manually reloading them 😅
Did CIG ever fix that Attrition bug? I wanted to outfit most of my fleet with them (due to their DPS) but they won't even shoot. I heard they were working on it...
To clear things up, using the accepted definition of bespoke: Bespoke weapons that are 'custom made' for the Polaris means those are not available to purchase or intended for other ships. The meaning of bespoke has ZERO to do with the ability to change them. I was issued a bespoke a drysuit, made for my exact measurements. However, I can wear other drysuits that are not tailor made for me. If CIG means something other than that, they are using the word incorrectly (very likely the case given that it is CIG).
Context matters; and the weapons are 'bespoke' in that they are not intended to be swapped out. The Ares large S7 guns are 'bespoke' they aren't swappable. So when CIG says something is 'bespoke'; it means it can't be swapped out/taken off. For a ship designed AROUND it's weapon, I can understand; but those 'bespoke' weapons should always be better than none-bespoke weapons then; or have special functionality. To have 'bespoke' turret weapons that are worse than all the others, especially when they are ballistic and can't be reloaded unless you land to rearm/repair/refuel; for a ship designed for long-range patrols/engagements in enemy territory(they even say lore-wise the Polaris is meant to be the 'tip of the spear'); it's kind of a slap in the face right now. Granted, in the future; I'm sure they'll make it easier to reload ballistic weapons from inside the ship; who knows, even a little loading bin that we pop ammo boxes directly into from the cargo area; since we could load up extra torps from the cargo area as the intended way to have extra torps. It's all iterative and ongoing development; so hopefully they flesh all this out better.
@@ShevaiAsan they are bespoke guns that are chassis specific or chassis locked. As with the Ares series. Words matter. I agree that if they are to be chassis bound, they must offer superior performance.
@@ShevaiAsan Bespoke weapons means the weapons are not interchangeable to other ships due to it being custom made for one specific ship, BUT you should be able to take the weapon off and replace it with a ordinary weapon. They didn't say "Bespoke Weapon Mount", which would mean that the actual mount of the weapon is bespoke and no other weapon will fit on it besides a weapon specifically made for that specific mount. Just like some electronics (used) to have their own unique screws, which needed specialised screwdrivers to unscrew, a normal phillips-head wouldn't fit. So CIG saying "Bespoke weapons" should mean that the weapon itself is made just for the Polaris, and should be (vastly) superior to any other "generic" weapon. The mount itself is not "bespoke", as we can already see in this video, any other S6 weapon fits on it, so they are actually using the exact same S6 mount, instead of a "S6B" (B for bespoke) mount for example....
the only available ship to have s6 guns, and theyre not meant to be swapped(bespoke, locked), s6 have only been in since... whenever the shops listed them
I'm afraid this is an oversight that is going to be fixed. Bespoke weapons are not meant to be swappable. They apparently made the weapons bespoke so that they can nerf Polaris DPS by via this weapon. So if you could bypass the nerf, it wouldn't be a nerf. Come to think of it, they might have even unlocked it on purpose to have this initial P2W phase before they nerf this for real.
You're not supposed to be able to swap the s6 weapons but don't worry CIG will focus on patching this while leaving the turrets having no pips and the bug which makes you unable to retrieve the polaris in any station that isn't grim hex or one of the cities (you know, the ship clipping into the station at the docking port after being retrieved, yeah that one that's been in the game for a very long time already) LOL. Any normal developper would see this bug and think "oh this is an interesting idea, our players love it, let's expand on it/leave it for people to enjoy" but I bet you my Polaris this isn't happening
At the time the video is made, we can replace them. but today CIG changed that and locked down the gun so we cannot change them anymore. I have put a pinned message the moment this change happened under the description of this video
@@cpt_foxyloxyI'm sad to hear that, thanks for the reply. Is it possible to change other guns in turrets at Polaris? Or have they blocked the changes for all guns?
They already said this will be parched and is not intended, bespoke weapons is a simple way to nerf ships without really look like a nerf, "sorry, is bespoke"
but why nerv something that makes no sense let ppl switch weapons on turrets/ships i would understand if u can reload the ballistics with intern reloadmechanism but atm ? no
@@Fantastiie Why indeed. An excellent question without a good answer. People who enjoy the Ion would love an answer, too, and would vastly just prefer an M9A over the hot f***ing garbage that is the SF7E
I mean that's the point of sub and capital ships. These things take a large number of crew to properly operate meaning a small to mid-sized guild would pretty much operate out of them. A Polaris is effectively a mobile milita outpost or a mercenary HQ/Base in motion. The BMM, Idris, Javelin, and Bengel are going to be similar size or bigger.
Not entirely true, in this very video you can see them actually working, however I do agree that it was in conditions that would never actually happen in a real scenario (ie the ship is standing still)
1) It isn't proper to this mounting since the Polaris anti-capital turret is supposed to be bespoke and not able to swap its guns, 2) the Attritions are balanced for a low-velocity high-dps laser repeater, and exactly follows the scaling progression of every other Attrition repeater. It's the laser cannons that have all been nerfed into the dirt for no reason other than that CIG is scared of high alpha. I suppose they could nerf laser repeaters and ballistics, too, so everything would be in balance at a lower level, but that would likely rile up everyone. 3) CIG still fundamentally misunderstand combat geometry and damage metrics - putting a thick shield in front that can't recharge under fire is only going to extend the engagement time a little, and the amount of total damage a _capital_ ship should be soaking needs to be way higher, for all of them, including the reclaimer and 890 and carrack.
yes he is, but on the other hand bullet velocity on a size 6 weapon doesn't really matter or at least not as much as with a smaller gun as you're probably not aiming this gun at an aurora but rather at a large ship
5:21 with laser canons, range comes first. Then alpha damage. Not dps. Why? Because you need to overcome large ship armour. Using cannons to fire faster is idiotic. Use a repeater for this. Also, ballistic hit hard, but lack sustained combat presence. Unless you can reload while in combat, ballistics are just for ambush and raiding.
There is so many videos of Polaris hype that I find the polaris boring. The ship is awesome for multicrew.. but there are no missions or purpose for capital ships at the moment. Maybe the Save stanton missions that will come with the most FPS shitty build ever. I am not looking forward for the next patch or the 4.0 patch. I have a naging feeling both patches will be a unplayable dissaster from day one in Live PU. I ham hoping to be proven wrong...I realy do.
fake news. have you ever done XT? last time there was XT we definitely could have used polaris'. it's like several hammerheads surrounded by connies, medium, and light fighters and of course an idris
@@mndeg Fake News? what fake news? Yes I have tried Xeno Threat. Have you? XenoThreat was extremely broken last time and the time before. So I would not call that a viable gameplay to use the Polaris or any other Capital ship. But if CIG actually have gotten such events on a stable and bug free build. Then Yes it would be epic.
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CIG has locked down the ability to change weapons for the SIZE 6 hardpoints
RSI Polaris Polish Pass
Polaris collision and animation physics optimizations.
Animation Sound Effects Polish.
Greatly increased the hydrogen fuel tank holds.
Bespoke Guns: Fully locked down the hardpoint, added a custom locked down gimbal, includes the changes to the PDC radar priority.
Updated and tuned RSI bespoke ballistic cannon ammo and cannon.
Cannon is now 50 RPM with high armor penetration, Moderate ballistic damage and implemented simple overheat mechanics.
Increased VFX size of bullet trajectory to match large turrets.
I'm really surprised that Polaris owners aren't losing their minds over this. It's incredibly disappointing after all this time to finally have the Polaris and see that we had a size 6 turret thinking that we could finally use those size 6 weapons in game. Then we find out it's bespoke, but fortunately we can change out the weapons. Then we can't. We are stuck with a mediocre Canon with limited ammo. Pilot controlled missiles that rarely work. Point defense that rarely works. Even the medical bay was a disappointment because you can't even tell it's there without looking at your mini map. That's quite different from the carrack with a very beautiful and obvious medical bay. We even have a completely non-functional captain's quarters at launch. I find it quite sad that I'm much more excited about the Star lancer than I am about the long-awaited Polaris.
I seen this vidoe and spent the last 2 hrs tring to put the dang things on after buying them....uggg
@@IIITangentIII The bespoke cannons actually have the best stats as far as damage and speed of all the S6 weapons. plus the longest range.
@macaw172 and low ammo
@IIITangentIII I mean you can fire for about 5 minutes. Granted I'd like to see midflight rearming from the cargo.
The Attritions having the shortest ttk is no surprise, its got the hightest DPS. I would argue the choice is dependent on the ship you want to focus. If the target is smaller, a higher projectile velocity is super beneficial. Against other capital ships: Attritions/M8As, against connie size: Lightstikes/CF667, against squishy stuff: gatlings and against fighters maybe even the distortion scattergun!
The way in which the torps just loop over and head down when you launch them ( 14:20 ) looks like a cruise missile strike it’s soooo cool.
Imagine a Polaris at jump town or ghost hollow just orbital striking every ship… so cool XD
I hope they keep the gun options open. I really hate bespoke weapons. Give the players more customization CIG!
No that isnt what we want, some choice yes by all means, but mixNmatch, jack of all trades. But i know what you mean, love customization in Tarkov, toy story games like Starfield and NMS, but not in my Star Citizen when i m spending $750+
They already said you won't be able to change them, bespoke weapons is a good way to nerf ships without looking like you are nerfing them
@@StoneCoolds I love working within constraints, i spent years of God mode Cheat Codes and hacks, yet there has to be rebalancing, i love it all, i just play the game and care nothing for stats, possibly because im so used to playing DCS, but you enjoy SC anyway you can. Yor probably looking forward to Pyro?
@davewills148 I only play DCS and SC, im kinda distant from DCS currently, since there are no hardcore servers anymore, well there was just 1 to begin with lol, but now there is non
S6 it's already a constrain, turret arche is another, there are plenty of those, bespoke it's just soft nerf, like tomorrow they will nerf the bespoke cannons to S4 damage for example.
I used codes in N64 golden eye to get the weapons and in vice city to get money lol, but Never used hacks, I'm more of a skill oriented player, but I understand not everyone can scale at the same rate as others, and yes, I have seen the documental about why hacks should be legal to help people with depression, low self steam, etc, etc, still doesn't convince me plus cheating is a pretty good indicative of how the person is in reality, as someone that worked with Colombians for years, it's a give away lol (cheating in general, from games to serious stuff)
I kinda want 4.0, but now that is soft core and more like an American hot sauce of Stanton, I'm not that thrilled about it, but still gonna give it a try
Yes i was addicted to DCS, then i stopped playing, they are too slow in development and the issue with razbam etc. There is nothing to do. So my main games are FS24 (2020) and Star C.
Lmao, love that quick Polaris ramp bridge in the sky.
And the view, no game has such graphics. But at night looks very ugly in some places, wrong light position. Hope ray tracing will fix that. Lile FS24 with ray t. Looks such good
Gosh, I can't believe they messed up so badly on this weapon. You are better off with literally anything else. It has worse DPS than any other S6 gun. You could swap this for a Deadbolt VI and have the same projectile characteristics for better DPS. Why? CIG are scared of alpha damage. The Ion is a shining example of this
Oh wait, except they crippled the velocity of other cannons on top of the lowered velocity of ballistics, and now Deadbolts are even worse. Grab a CF-667 or Attrition-6 when they work and you'll do far better.
they already said this is bug and you are nor suppose to change them
Blows my mind cig thinks a ship should not be able to one shot another ship.. it's ridiculous
@@T2rx6 I'm sorry, but if I send a 16" naval cannon shell through the cockpit of your aurora at six times the speed of sound, I don't think there should be anything left but an expanding cloud of shrapnel.
The trick is tuning it so that sending a 16" naval shell through the cockpit of an aurora should itself be rather unlikely, provided the aurora is at least paying attention.
@KiithnarasAshaa totally agree. And you counter that gameplay by making these huge cannons less likely to hit an Aurora if they are moving (hard not impossible). And then it's just pilot stupidity if you die.. it doesn't make sense how cig thinks!
What are they gonna do when players get the Idris? Stop that railgun from obliterating ships??
Man, I thought they were bespoke size 6, and couldn't change them out. This is great information
they are and you won't be able to, it is just bugged at the moment so it lets you swap them right now.
@BizzMRK i see, thanks for the clarity
You deserve more subs for the effort you put in to setting up these tests.
Attrition lasers are not always the better choice. In the current modeling and balance, velocity tends to win over raw damage, especially if you plan on engaging smaller targets. If you designate your big S6 to only anti-capital work, then Attritions are the way to go - otherwise, the only practical choice is the Mammoth, with an honorable mention to the Draugar for having okay velocity for such a big ballistic gatling with good DPS
That front weapon should only be for fighting big capitals.. You're a capital ship, that's why you bring fighter screening escorts. The quads and the side turrets if anything would be better for anti-fighter screening - panthers/rhinos.
Scrolling throughout the comment section I noticed you are the only one who actually knows what he's talking about and knows the reality of SC and pvp in SC, too many people are just daydreaming or saying the devs should balance stuff around mechanics they haven't even begun to work on and won't be here in years if they're not scrapped entirely
How is speed a factor anymore? when in master modes top speed while in esm is very slow?
@@srive17 220 M/S is not very slow, considering you can thrust your vehicle in multiple directions and gain distance rapidly. If you're asking this question, you're not PVPing a lot. I'd suggest hopping into AC with attritions and letting me know how that goes.
@@Vandreddd Generally what I can piece together is that Size 1 to 4 is meant for engaging smaller targets. Size 5 and 6 is meant for medium to larger targets. Size 7 and up is meant for sub capital to full capital ships.
The polaris is like an emperor penguin sliding down with those ramps down
Praise the Emperor!
Glad we are able to remove and change the size six weapons. For someone who doesn't like to constantly buy ammo its a relief. I hate the idea of being stuck with a bespoke weapon on this ship. For long engagements they are not ideal. Bespoke weapons are great if you can constantly resupply while in battle and after.
I unfortunately think they'll be reverting this, but hopefully not.
from what i have seem on polaris vs polaris combat it will probably still be very important to have ballists to maybe disable turrets on the enemy before taking the shields down
Projectile speed on that mammoth is king. Taking shields on a big ship is good but that speed will make it so you’re much more dangerous to the lighter ships as well.
Always thought it was weird there were size six guns in the game we couldn't use
well, if CIG gets their way, they will remain that way.
It is important to note that it is not intentional that you can swap the s6 weapons out and won't be possible in the Live release anymore. Bespoke means bespoke for better or in pretty much all cases for worse. Still, very interesting to see how the S6 weapons perform right now since this is the only chance to test them we have right now so great and very informative video as always!
I see, hope we have that feature, but if not, at least we got to try out the size 6 guns which we never got a chance to see. Need to test the rest of them before this goes away
Awesome test! Great for getting upper hand on stock options
Best SC content on RUclips .. by far! Keep making great Polaris tests please!
Thanks! More on the way
11:29 "out of capacitors" - you can assign each gun to separate group and fire them in turns. While one gun is shooting other is recharging. This way you can avoid pauses between firing and keep constant pressure on opponents shield.
You can equip them in the current PTU. That doesn't mean its going to stay.
You know what "bespoke" means?
CIG made a mistake to put the Polaris in the PTU which changing the front turret guns enabled for swapping out. Thats gonna bite them when they remove it from the Polaris before live.
they already said they are gonna nerf the turred and lock it to only rhose shitty guns
@@StoneCoolds those guns only feel shitty cus of no pip, sure they're slow projectiles but they pack a massive punch with high dpm
@TheRealHIPER funny enough no word on fixing the no pip, but immediate response on fixing the bespoke weapons lol
makes no sense ever that turrets/ships have bespoke weapons
@@StoneCoolds there's no way they wouldn't fix the pip, none of the turrets on the polaris has one, 100% they're gonna fix it
At the moment the Ships have an HP pool however that will disappear once Engineering is introduced. Ballistic weapons will be able to penetrate up to certain armor values (think tarkov with bullets v armor) each ship will have its own armor value and certain size guns will be able to penetrate certain armor values otherwise you will need to strip away the armor/Hull using energy weapons to allow your rounds with less firepower to go through the hull because you are attempting to use the ballistics to shoot at the components in the ship to damage them and disable the ship.
So due to this the Bespoke slower fire rate might be more beneficial since you have time to lead your shots and see where they are landing.
If you think for a moment that control surfaces or armor or relying on component damage will change the overall problems with combat geometry and single-seater dominance, you are fooling yourself. If anything, high-velocity weapons will dominate even more since they will have the effective range and precision to deal component damage, and fighters will have an even greater ability to apply that damage and avoid critical damage themselves. At best, these things will simply make the combat more of a slog and even less engaging and rewarding.
@KiithnarasAshaa I'm not really sure what you are trying to argue here I was just pointing out official information presented by CIG but I guess go off? Idk hope you have a good day
@@hitmanstallion2697 No, that's fair, I just see arguments all the time about how the damage modelling isn't finalized because of armor or component damage, or how the flight modelling isn't finalized because of control surfaces - including arguments from CIG, who seem to really misunderstand their own game.
Completely pointless discussion, we won't get engineering for the next 2 years.
So, did John Crewe troll us and they really simply just named the guns on the Polaris "Bespoke" as weapon name, or are they gonna make them bespoke, cause currently, they kinda suck :D
I think bespoke is only the weapon, not The mount. You can mount outher weapons but cant use It on other ships
I use the taurus vor ERT Missions with ballistics cannons. I like the ballistics for this use case.
In current patch, the only usecase for figthing with polaris is also ERT. I also use ballistics. Its the fastest way to kill. Currently, server are so laggy, its hard to kill ship because the mostly runnerband jumping. With ballistics ever shot makes damage.
Maybe with better server Performance und pyro all will change and new usecases for polaris are possible...and than maybe laser are better choice. But maybe.
CIG claims they increased the penetration for the Bespoke when they lowered the fire rate. I would be curious if you could find a good way to test that.
Imagine how nerve racking it would be to be the guy to go out mid battle to swap those guns out when the ballistics run outta ammo XD
The Mammoth for the win, speed is where it’s at. Damage isn’t that bad either.
I know that they want it to be bespoke, but why? Seems like a waste to develop a whole new weapon and restrict it. Also a shame to seemingly arbitrarily limit the weapon options on the ship.
Maybe its only the very dumb Name of the weapons. Real bespoke weapons Like the Laser from the storm are not changeable. I hope it is so
This is what I've been saying, I really hope we keep the options open...
I wonder if the PDU can be easily popped by a smaller ballistic loaded ship like an arrow.
That would promote team gameplay wile also letting you conserve your torps. 12torps to 1kill seems like a lot.
im not sure if you mentioned it in the video, sorry if you did, but power allocation on weapons will allow a greater capacity on the turrets, perhaps the power settings on erkul were different to what you had set up in the MFD's?
Move over A2, there's a new "friendly" ship at JT soon 😁
The maximum capacitor is not wrong on erkul.
But to achieve the full possible ammo count you need to mix between ballistic and energy weapons.
The main weapon will be the torps.
The turrets are it's secondaries, so they can be a bit neglected.
I would go for the 3 big turrets with ballistic, and the rest with attrition.
The chin size 6.. deadbolt or the standard. As both have the highest potential DMG output. You have to choose between rate of fire and bullet speed.
For the s4: revenants or deadbolt. Short time high DMG vs longer gun play time.
Ofc, all of that is only relevant if you can man the full ship. But then again - is there a reason to bring this ship out under crewed?
Thanks for the detailed explanations
Btw you can load Extra Torpedos in the cargo bay and reload size 10 Torpedos after they run out manually increasing the amount of time you can stay out without going back to rearm. It’s incredibly satisfying manually reloading them 😅
They are not sold anywhere though.
@ very soon. I expect after or during IAE
Thanks for the info
this gives me hope for the perseus with its size 7 weapons
Did CIG ever fix that Attrition bug? I wanted to outfit most of my fleet with them (due to their DPS) but they won't even shoot. I heard they were working on it...
next patch is fixed
To clear things up, using the accepted definition of bespoke: Bespoke weapons that are 'custom made' for the Polaris means those are not available to purchase or intended for other ships. The meaning of bespoke has ZERO to do with the ability to change them. I was issued a bespoke a drysuit, made for my exact measurements. However, I can wear other drysuits that are not tailor made for me. If CIG means something other than that, they are using the word incorrectly (very likely the case given that it is CIG).
Context matters; and the weapons are 'bespoke' in that they are not intended to be swapped out.
The Ares large S7 guns are 'bespoke' they aren't swappable. So when CIG says something is 'bespoke'; it means it can't be swapped out/taken off.
For a ship designed AROUND it's weapon, I can understand; but those 'bespoke' weapons should always be better than none-bespoke weapons then; or have special functionality.
To have 'bespoke' turret weapons that are worse than all the others, especially when they are ballistic and can't be reloaded unless you land to rearm/repair/refuel; for a ship designed for long-range patrols/engagements in enemy territory(they even say lore-wise the Polaris is meant to be the 'tip of the spear'); it's kind of a slap in the face right now.
Granted, in the future; I'm sure they'll make it easier to reload ballistic weapons from inside the ship; who knows, even a little loading bin that we pop ammo boxes directly into from the cargo area; since we could load up extra torps from the cargo area as the intended way to have extra torps.
It's all iterative and ongoing development; so hopefully they flesh all this out better.
@@ShevaiAsan they are bespoke guns that are chassis specific or chassis locked. As with the Ares series. Words matter.
I agree that if they are to be chassis bound, they must offer superior performance.
@@ShevaiAsan Bespoke weapons means the weapons are not interchangeable to other ships due to it being custom made for one specific ship, BUT you should be able to take the weapon off and replace it with a ordinary weapon.
They didn't say "Bespoke Weapon Mount", which would mean that the actual mount of the weapon is bespoke and no other weapon will fit on it besides a weapon specifically made for that specific mount. Just like some electronics (used) to have their own unique screws, which needed specialised screwdrivers to unscrew, a normal phillips-head wouldn't fit.
So CIG saying "Bespoke weapons" should mean that the weapon itself is made just for the Polaris, and should be (vastly) superior to any other "generic" weapon. The mount itself is not "bespoke", as we can already see in this video, any other S6 weapon fits on it, so they are actually using the exact same S6 mount, instead of a "S6B" (B for bespoke) mount for example....
Hy, im trying to change the size 6 weapons but cannot, even in inventory or fisical. Any idea?
Aren't the ballistics better at actually killing big ships? I'd like to see the practical test for them.
Video for the bin. Bespoke and S6 hardpoints have been reworked in latest patch.
Twin AD6B's! Dear god that's epic
Would be nice to see the Ballistic Cannons in this Comparison Too
the only available ship to have s6 guns, and theyre not meant to be swapped(bespoke, locked), s6 have only been in since... whenever the shops listed them
I'm afraid this is an oversight that is going to be fixed. Bespoke weapons are not meant to be swappable. They apparently made the weapons bespoke so that they can nerf Polaris DPS by via this weapon. So if you could bypass the nerf, it wouldn't be a nerf. Come to think of it, they might have even unlocked it on purpose to have this initial P2W phase before they nerf this for real.
they REALLY need to keep the option to change weapons. Nobody wants this bespoke bullshit, taking the choice away from the player is such a bad move.
We had the same issue in out org.
You have to unlock the ports from the pilot and co-pilot seat! 7:43
A2 dies fast to ballistics because it (and the Pisces for some reason) doesn't have the ~50% defense buff against physical attacks.
so for clarification can you or can u not change em today now 12/3 of the year 2024?
Nice topic
How could you change weapons? I can't do that in the PTU
Nice !
You're not supposed to be able to swap the s6 weapons but don't worry CIG will focus on patching this while leaving the turrets having no pips and the bug which makes you unable to retrieve the polaris in any station that isn't grim hex or one of the cities (you know, the ship clipping into the station at the docking port after being retrieved, yeah that one that's been in the game for a very long time already) LOL.
Any normal developper would see this bug and think "oh this is an interesting idea, our players love it, let's expand on it/leave it for people to enjoy" but I bet you my Polaris this isn't happening
Well said
"Breathes in Perseus"... Seriously though if two size 6 weapons do this much damage, the Perseus is gonna kick ass with its four size 7's.
2 size 7s
and you can call point defense just : aps cause work like it its just simplier
Hey, Foxy ,What are the pilot control weapons on the Polaris? good vid!!
S5 missiles I think, no weapons
16 Size3 Arresters missiles
thanks
how do i chenge the guns i cant find how to do this
If we have enough Polaris together, they can create a pseudo space station 🎉 😮
My English is not very good, please tell me so can I replace the size 6 guns on Polaris or not? If not, how did the author of the video replace them?
At the time the video is made, we can replace them. but today CIG changed that and locked down the gun so we cannot change them anymore. I have put a pinned message the moment this change happened under the description of this video
@@cpt_foxyloxyI'm sad to hear that, thanks for the reply. Is it possible to change other guns in turrets at Polaris? Or have they blocked the changes for all guns?
What about the ATLS? to detatch ?
some viewer said if you unlock the ship port from the co-pilot seat, you can detach them, haven't tried yet
pls can u do fitting ships video for the polaris :)
its keeping me up at night
why does cig hate balistic weapons?
Has anyone noticed the range of the torpedo turret HUD? It's in freaking light years :D
Man pls try the rattler Cluster missles on that point defense
That is an awesome idea.
@cpt_foxyloxy maybe this will confuse the point defense and ignores the torpedos
They already said this will be parched and is not intended, bespoke weapons is a simple way to nerf ships without really look like a nerf, "sorry, is bespoke"
but why nerv something that makes no sense let ppl switch weapons on turrets/ships i would understand if u can reload the ballistics with intern reloadmechanism but atm ? no
@@Fantastiie Why indeed. An excellent question without a good answer. People who enjoy the Ion would love an answer, too, and would vastly just prefer an M9A over the hot f***ing garbage that is the SF7E
How could he set his camera to the missle?
ruclips.net/video/XNjUX4scsiE/видео.html
This video will show you how
CIG, up the bespoke weapon of Polaris. The deadbolt S5 is better...
These things are literally flyable guild halls
I mean that's the point of sub and capital ships. These things take a large number of crew to properly operate meaning a small to mid-sized guild would pretty much operate out of them.
A Polaris is effectively a mobile milita outpost or a mercenary HQ/Base in motion. The BMM, Idris, Javelin, and Bengel are going to be similar size or bigger.
@ Once ships persist reliably and spawning is up to snuff as well the possibilities are endless
i think they anounced this was a bug and would be fixed before release.
I know, and it sucks. Bespoke stuff reeks of hero shooter mentality.
Best bug I think and one bug they should never fix.
test with the omnisky they are cracked , with size 5 omnisky he downed the capital shields of the Idris in less than 20s
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@cpt_foxyloxy wow no wonder the ptu runs this smoothly for you...thx !
But what do they sell for?! 🤔
should be able to put missles on it for MORE MISSLES
i hope the bespoke cannons on the Perseus arnt this disappointing...
The dmg from a size 10 torpedo never hit a target ^^. PDS make the wpn system torpedo worthless. :P
Not entirely true, in this very video you can see them actually working, however I do agree that it was in conditions that would never actually happen in a real scenario (ie the ship is standing still)
I bet the attrition S6 has never been balanced because it wasn't used. And thanks to this video it will be nerfed. 😢
1) It isn't proper to this mounting since the Polaris anti-capital turret is supposed to be bespoke and not able to swap its guns, 2) the Attritions are balanced for a low-velocity high-dps laser repeater, and exactly follows the scaling progression of every other Attrition repeater. It's the laser cannons that have all been nerfed into the dirt for no reason other than that CIG is scared of high alpha. I suppose they could nerf laser repeaters and ballistics, too, so everything would be in balance at a lower level, but that would likely rile up everyone. 3) CIG still fundamentally misunderstand combat geometry and damage metrics - putting a thick shield in front that can't recharge under fire is only going to extend the engagement time a little, and the amount of total damage a _capital_ ship should be soaking needs to be way higher, for all of them, including the reclaimer and 890 and carrack.
Wait wait the Ballistic gatling has a range of 3600??? omgerd
you;re making huge mistake. You looking solely at dmg numbers, and not taking into consideration the most important stat which is bullet velocity.
yes he is, but on the other hand bullet velocity on a size 6 weapon doesn't really matter or at least not as much as with a smaller gun as you're probably not aiming this gun at an aurora but rather at a large ship
Bespoke only has one E
5:21 with laser canons, range comes first. Then alpha damage. Not dps. Why? Because you need to overcome large ship armour. Using cannons to fire faster is idiotic. Use a repeater for this. Also, ballistic hit hard, but lack sustained combat presence. Unless you can reload while in combat, ballistics are just for ambush and raiding.
There is so many videos of Polaris hype that I find the polaris boring. The ship is awesome for multicrew.. but there are no missions or purpose for capital ships at the moment. Maybe the Save stanton missions that will come with the most FPS shitty build ever. I am not looking forward for the next patch or the 4.0 patch. I have a naging feeling both patches will be a unplayable dissaster from day one in Live PU. I ham hoping to be proven wrong...I realy do.
fake news. have you ever done XT? last time there was XT we definitely could have used polaris'. it's like several hammerheads surrounded by connies, medium, and light fighters and of course an idris
@@mndeg Fake News? what fake news? Yes I have tried Xeno Threat. Have you? XenoThreat was extremely broken last time and the time before. So I would not call that a viable gameplay to use the Polaris or any other Capital ship. But if CIG actually have gotten such events on a stable and bug free build. Then Yes it would be epic.
Say polaris one more time
Polaris crashes on Arcorp... a couple thousand people die. No biggie... LOL
lol