The Narendra class is a fitting upgrade to the Ambassador class and an Honorable tribute to the crew of The Enterprise-C and their Ultimate sacrifice 🖖
Agreed. And good video as well, though I tire of hearing "failed" or "mistakes" when referring to different ships. There are some videos that refer to the Galaxy class as a failure though there is ZERO canon evidence to suggest thats true. Thats like saying WW2 carriers were failures because they were replaced by super carriers. Times change as do deaign priorities and philosophy
@@timothycantor4488 Thank you very much! And sorry you tire of such things, but this channel only reports what has been seen in Alpha and Beta Canon in those regards, and the truth is it makes sense. Not only should some classes fail, as that's the reality of life, but the lack of Ambassador Class ships in the Federation, fighting in the Dominion War etc, follows this idea! Take care :)
I still disagree, but it doesnt change my opinion on the video. You did a very good job and look forward to more content! Thanks fornthe reply as well.
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios It appears both the Enterprise-B and Probert Ambassador/Narendra Class featured in your video were created by me. They were created originally as mods to the PC game, Star Trek: Bridge Commander where I went by the name WileyCoyote. Good video!
"After having difficulty using new isolinear tech in this ships parent class, we had to rebuild it from the ground up." "Cool. Stuff it full of new bioneural tech it wasn't built for."
The Ambassador is my fav class and I jokingly call the Narendra class the Ambassador 2.0. She is a true homage to her predecessor. Excellent job as always. Nerd approved.
It's too bad the Ambassador-class has such a lousy history, I absolutely love the aesthetic of the ship and think it really could've been so much more.
Indeed, though I like that it did tbh... I mean far too often everything in Trek is Perfect, Perfect, Perfect!. And stories like this, make things far more realistic :)
The Narendra Beta (the 25th century variant of the Narendra) is my go to ship in Star Trek Online, I love the design of the class. It looks great, both in its original 24th century look and the newer 25th century one.
Although it is Beta canon I enjoy how you expand on John Harriman's character. He's one individual who deserves more stories about especially since he commanded an Enterprise longer than any other captain
Beautiful ship an it should have been on screen if time would have allowed it to back then, to bad but one good thing is she lives on in out hearts an minds . Love it
I love this version of the Ambassador class. I think it works well as an in between design from the Excelsior-class Enterprise B and the Galaxy-class Enterprise D.
Even though some of the ships aren't necessarily 'canon', watching your video presentations almost gives the flavor of sitting through a series of STA lectures on the history of federation ship design. Your synopsis of each ship is brilliantly done, with a short history on each class's namesake, and what led to the design & features of each one. I really look forward to watching each new release, not to mention rewatching older presentations. They always hold my rapt attention, and as an older ST model builder, (I watched the premier of Star Trek back Sept. 8, 1966 as an 11 year old kid & bought the AMT kits as soon as my hobby shop began carrying the kits themselves), your small lectures inspire me to work on designing & building some of these ships in a scale worthy of them. It never ceases to amaze me with how you come up with all of the material for each one. In fact, I personally believe that you should come up with your own hardcopy book on federation ship design & recognition. I can't honestly speak for anyone else but myself, but I would be pleased to buy any books of that nature that might be put together by you. Kudos to a LOT of fantastic work on your part & many thanks for putting each one together!!
I feel the Narendra class is an underdog class. I kind of really like it, and I feel it’s a class born out of both the failure of the Ambassador class and the breakthrough of isolinear chip technology to supersede duotronic technology. Personally I gotta wonder: did Harriman get his promotion on a Tuesday?
The Narendra is gorgeous! Not hating on the Galaxy, but, I think this should have been the design for Enterprise D, probably would have made a better transfer to feature films, but then we wouldn't have got the sleek and mighty Sovereign class!
Thing that stood out most to me as an interesting tidbit, is the overlapping of time…in the series, there’s such a noticeable gap between TOS and TNG…to hear references of Harriman still being around and in starfleet when Picard was a captain is something that’s always interesting Something contextually similar to something my dad asked when he began attending Burch with my mother, noting about the genealogy listed in genesis between the time of adam and the time of Noah, expressing some curiosity about which of those noted names would have been alive at the time of the flood
Realy cool beta canon story for the never seen thrue Ambesador / Narenda Class. Ist so nice to hear that the Narenda class get e second live after the Dominion war, parallel to the Galaxy and the Soverin Class.
I really do prefer the Probert designed ship. It's quite elegant and fits perfectly between the Excelsior and Galaxy classes. Though, I'd say was the offical Ambassador that much of a failure? After all, the Enterprise C was up against 4 warbirds. Then again, we don't see much of the class, so there's that.
Yes the Ambassador Class was a failure... The sacrifice of the Enterprise -C doesnt suddenly make it a success :P And it wasnt the battle with the Enterprise -C that made it a failure either :P
I love the Galaxy, Intrepid, and Excelsior mixes in the build. The story feels like it gives life to what the Ambassador should have been rather Galaxy-Light that it felt like at first, with a name giving weight to the events where another lady named Enterprise and her captain helped shape the galaxy for the better, one act of honor and kindness at a time. Yeshua bless you friend! You act in the same tradition each time you post and share your creativity in a world needing to remember there is hope. ^.^
I liked a lot of this. The Ambassador does indeed look bulky with advanced, but half baked, designs. We see the short phaser strips, the bulky nacells and general massive, bulbous appearance. The Ambassador is an enormous ship for its time and represents an enormous use of resources. That the these big ships weren't working as well as they should would indeed have been an embarrassment and loss of confidence. Especially if the Excelsior class wasn't up to heavy combat anymore, and their costly replacements, the Ambassadors, weren't the ultra heavy cruiser they were meant to be either. Despite the close connection with the Ambassador, the Narendra really can't be seen as the same class; it's too different. The shapes are different, it's more elegant, with a smaller scale, despite a nearly identical length to the Ambassador. While still a heavy cruiser, the Narendra weight class is significantly lighter than the massive Ambassador. On the other hand, its advanced tech might well make up the difference; Its phaser strips and smaller nacelles suggest problems have been worked out, technologies have been perfected and that the Galaxy project is feasible. Rather than being designed a a relative few years after the launch of the Ambassador, it might have been several years of struggling with the Ambassador class, the Narendra being a relative svelte interim design to prove new technology first before investing in even more colossal starships. I liked the idea that the 2nd starship was meant to be the new Enterprise D. With the Enterprise C something of a 'failure' for its loss and beta canon shenanigans, combined with the misrepresentations of the Ambassador class in general, I could imagine why the Enterprise lineage might be suspended for quite some time. The name intended to be used for a new class that was capable of replacing the Ambassadors, but then being held back some more for the culmination of the Galaxy project. The long gap between Enterprise ships being indicative of some ongoing political issues. This sort of 'explains' the 'wrong' ship frieze used on the conference room wall. While it might never have existed, the Narendra Enterprise made its appearance in spirit as decor in the Galaxy D, sort of cutting out the Ambassador Enterprise.
Amazing Beta-Canon you've created for the Narendra Class and the (political) rehabilitation of the unjustly maligned John Harriman! My only tiny nitpick is that I would've put the Enterprise C's length of service up to 12 years, which was the most commonly cited timeframe in most other beta canon. Otherwise everything's perfect! PS My headcanon atop of yours: Admiral Harriman initially wanted to include the Narendra Class's advanced curved pylons onto the Galaxy Class's design, but under immense pressure from Federation President Jaresh Inyo(who was elected in 2355 and served until 2373), he was forced to drop the idea and went for an upscaled version of the Excelsior Class's pylons instead. Upon discovering this Captain Jean-Luc Picard was so appalled by President Inyo's pettiness that he put the Narendra Class in place of the Enterprise C's Ambassador Class(whose design flaws accelerated her & her crew's demise) in the display shelf in his ready room, as Harriman was his hero and mentor during his his early Starfleet days. This Defiant Act would result in the political fallout between Picard and Inyo due to the latter's misplaced antipathy towards Harriman.
I absolutely love this version, proberts design is 100% better than what we were given on screen, love the story you have given it, this version i prefer over the Excelsior class ships.
If it wasn't for budget they would have built the concept ambassador class as the guest ships. But because paramount didn't want to pay they subbed the film models. The NCC -2000 filled in for the Ambassador.
Sorry Jeffrey, you are incorrect... The blame doesnt lie at Paramounts feet, the blame lies at the feet of the production team. The budget per episode is set way in advance of the season. And it is up to the production team to divert the budget where nessasary. And they did, creating the model of the Enterprise C as they wanted it. Unfortunately, the model was needed much sooner than the time it would take to fabricate the smoother lines of Probert's concept, requiring Sternbach's alterations which ended up on Greg Jein's final model. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with budget... You need to stop placing blame at Paramount and CBS every time you make a comment, as you have yet to be correct!
I prefer this version of the Nerendra Class to your earlier version. I also like the explanation as to why the Nerendra Class was almost scraped bu then revived out of necessity. Personally I have a fondness for the Ambassador Class and then the Nerendra Class as they are a precursor to the Galaxy Class. I always liked the overall look of both Classes mentioned and your explanation of their development.
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios - indeed these are fun! - my only minor complaint is woth the really long disclaimers in the whole beta canon series....maybe scroll it on the screen quickly at the beginning and use the beauty shots during the classes introduction instead.. love the visuals so don't want to skip ...but it gets old hearing the disclaimers....otherwise awesome!
To be honest CJ Adams, it's just something you're going to have to put up with ;) First, I get new comers all the time, and so they need to hear it. Second, This Channel revolves around Canon, and thus is clearly defined in each video. Finally, If I can take ALL the time researching, writing, creating the visuals and editing all these videos, I feel that the audience can spend the 20 Seconds listening to the intro ;)
I keep looking at this one - the one I saw on the display wall... Some reason, some way, I am convinced there was another Enterprise between C and D. We will assume NCC-17014, but otherwise she's an entirely classified Enterprise. Much as the NX-01 was classified for over a century.
I do love the chonky design of the Ambassador Class, such a pity it was a failure, I'd love to have seen it more. I know some remained in service, like the Zhukov and the Excalibur but they're glimpsed all too fleetingly for my liking. Despite the different asthetic I really like this version too but from some angles the secondary hull is a really weird shape.
I swore I replied but I guess not. I know I'm late to the party but I absolutely LOVE this design. I really wish this had been the official version of the Enterprise-C. I mean don't get me wrong I like what we got as the final version for the C but that was a bit rushed and the early concept just looked better in my opinion. I hope to one day get a model of it.
I head-canon that only the saucer & nacelles of the Enterprise-C survived, but all crew was lost so the Enterprise-C herself would be restored & refitted as a Narendra-class to continue her mission until the Galaxy project ships would be released.
Have this ship on star trek online. Love this ship it's way better looking ship than the galaxy class. I run the galaxy material on the hull and window design on this ship and it's a stunting ship in it's own design. Ambassador class isn't bad looking ship but Narendra class took it a while new level of design and look.
Would had been ideal to have seen this ship at the Fleet Museum. In fact, the USS Voyager should had been a Narendra Class star ship. Or a renamed Enterprise-C and placed at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D...
Love your videos man! It would be really awesome if you might consider a video for the Ambassador class USS Excalibur.. One of my favorite hero ships from the extended universe.. fun idea here, what what if something epic & heroic & legendary happened to the Galaxy class Excalibur-A during the recent Picard final episodes?? Like they figured they could switch back to analog somehow and did some serious damage to the aid of Starfleet, but ultimately had to be decommissioned after the battle, and the next USS Excalibur-B was a new Ross class variant!?!? 😏😱🤯😍
On purpose :) As there is no information on the class in those regards... So I opted to just tell the story as opposed to making the stats up :) At least this time ;)
I don't know much information as of this time is available but would you be looking at some of the newer classes of Starship featured in Star Trek Picard (season 2 episode one Especially?)
I wish one of the constantly growing number of Trek shows would somehow tell the story of Narendra III. Considering how much it affected the history, it should be told.
I personally think that ninety-nine percent of the beta Cannon story points are just so absolutely boring. I enjoy looking at the space boats that's about it.
Is there any way you could show a line of the Starfleet starships throughout the Federation's history side by side, providing a length of each ship, and the years of service? 🤨
According to the internet the enterprise b was built by the systems alliance navy in the port next to the SR2 normandy as it was in spacedock being repaired and after commander shepherd surrendered to earth. How about that mix up????
Beta Canon is far from worthless, you always point out that any information is just a kittle fun and should be taken with a little pinch of stardust. I could not recall the Narendra Class, but it sounds like Harriman outdid himself, bringing practical skills and a users understanding of what was needed to the redesign of the Ambassador class.
That's right, as it is meaningless, Ive never said worthless btw, Ive always said meaningless... as it has no bearing on Canon what so ever! Dont start making up things to complain about now! And he certainly did!
I like the story regarding the history of the ship; however, it still does not explain the wall display onboard the Enterprise D. If we really want to include the "Narrendra class" as cannon to explain its shadowy existence in Star Trek, then I think it's limited appearance needs a better explanation. It is possible it was constructed and somehow one of the ships was indeed christened as the Enterprise-C. In fact, it was probably deliberately done to hide the embarrassment of the failure of the original Ambassador class resulting in the destruction of the 1st Enterprise-C. The Narendra class is seen as a refit for the Ambassador class, similar to what happened with the Constitution class. Reason why not all Ambassador class ships were replaced is probably because not all of them had issues which the original C suffered from, likely due to the crews of each ships finding solution to fix the problems that plagued the Ambassador fleet. Since these crew built modifications improved their ships, there probably wasn't a justification to get rid of them.
It doesnt need to be explained, as Trek did what it often does, it retconned that display... So although you might see the Narendra Class on the wall, Canon has told us it is not! Case closed!
@TriAngulumAudioStudios I know Trek has an extensive history of doing that - which I absolutely detest and think it's just a lazy way of writers avoiding discussion of a subject matter. I wish they had more creative insight to explain the noticeable discrepancies. Your story shows more creative effort in explaining the history of the ship than what they pulled off.
Thank you... But my story isnt designed to complain about what Trek does or doesn't do, but rather to give a satisfying explanation for the retcon... And to be honest, expecting Trek to explain every retcon would actually be bad writing, not what they did for Yesterday's Enterprise which is seen by fandom as one of the best episodes of TNG!
Maybe I am showing my age, but I disliked the Ambassador and most of the "project Galaxy" class ships. Maybe it is just me, but to my 50 year old eyes, They are not as aesthetically pleasing at the later Intrepid and Sovereign classes and their looks were not worthy successors to the TOS/TMP style ships. I just found them ugly due to their extreme width when compared to their length. "Short and stubby" is how I would describe them.
Why is everyone against the screen used Ambassador Class? It's a failure this and a failure that... No it is not. The Enterprise C (screen used Ambassador Class) singled handedly took on 4 warbirds. Yea she lost. But her efforts allowed there to be piece between the Klingons and Federation. The Enterprise D couldn't even handle 3 K'vort Class Bird of Prey's (they where referred to as battle cruisers in Yesterday's Enterprise which is silly) I'll take the screen used Ambassador Class over the Narendra Class any day. Plus the weapons layout (phaser's) made way more sense when compared to the Galaxy Class.
@1:29; Ungood. Enterprise-B was an Excelsior class. Enterprise-C or "Charlie variant" was an Ambassador class. The kinked pylons were the biggest "gaffe". Beyond that, another top quality vid. Many thanx.
It is this comment that is "ungood" as I WAS talking about the history of the Enterprise B I included in this video, not the Enterprise C's history... You should pay better attention :P Beyond that mistake you made, thank you for the comment ;)
The Ambassador is so much better looking than the Excelsior, with only those odd right angle pylons detracting/ Whereas the Excelsior looks like an uprated cargo/garbage hauler.
You need to pay better attention to the video... No where does it say that the Ambassador Class was a failure because of the Enterprise C's Battle! The Ambassador Class was a failure because basically, Starfleet threw it together, utilizing New Technology (Isolinear Tech) mixed with old Technology (Duotronic Tech) without testing it first!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I don’t need to listen better. I watched the previous video concerning the Ambassador class as well as this one. The premise from your last video was that the Enterprise should have fared better in the fight at Narendra. I don’t think that’s fair to the Enterprise crew after reviewing more about the ship and what happened. I still like your videos though ✌️
Actually, you do, because if you HAD listened to the video, then you wouldnt have asked "How is the Ambassador be a failure when it was destroyed fighting four Romulan warbirds?" since no where was that even suggested. The failure of the class has has nothing to do with the Ent C! So your entire comment is moot! And thank you, I still appreciate your support! :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I'm a fan of all sci-fi starships etc but I truly believe the excelsior class is the ugliest of all... Keep up with a great videos though I appreciate your hard work and diligence on them
Well A) Now you see why Beta Canon is meaningless, as it often conflicts with each other and B) Watch Trek to see promoted Admirals being given desk jobs! Happens all the time!
Yeah, No! Definition of Grandstanding; acting or speaking in a way intended to attract attention and to influence the opinion of people who are watching. What it's actually called is good storytelling, exactly what my audience expects, which is why you are the only one whining about it... So if you don't like it, you know where the door is! You're not that important, and this channel will continue to grow and do just fine without you! PS, In the future, you might want to know the definition of the words/ terms you use in order to prevent embarrassment again! Cya!
The Narendra class is a fitting upgrade to the Ambassador class and an Honorable tribute to the crew of The Enterprise-C and their Ultimate sacrifice 🖖
I Completely Agree :)
Agreed. And good video as well, though I tire of hearing "failed" or "mistakes" when referring to different ships. There are some videos that refer to the Galaxy class as a failure though there is ZERO canon evidence to suggest thats true. Thats like saying WW2 carriers were failures because they were replaced by super carriers. Times change as do deaign priorities and philosophy
@@timothycantor4488 Thank you very much! And sorry you tire of such things, but this channel only reports what has been seen in Alpha and Beta Canon in those regards, and the truth is it makes sense. Not only should some classes fail, as that's the reality of life, but the lack of Ambassador Class ships in the Federation, fighting in the Dominion War etc, follows this idea! Take care :)
I still disagree, but it doesnt change my opinion on the video. You did a very good job and look forward to more content! Thanks fornthe reply as well.
The Narendra class bears a striking resemblance to the very earliest hand-drawn pictures of the Enterprise D.
I love it.
Gosh, the Narendra is such a gorgeous ship. Love the model you used, its flawless!
Thanks a lot! :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios It appears both the Enterprise-B and Probert Ambassador/Narendra Class featured in your video were created by me. They were created originally as mods to the PC game, Star Trek: Bridge Commander where I went by the name WileyCoyote. Good video!
Ohhhh You're the one who gave the models to SE?! Im honored! :) Thank you so much :)
"After having difficulty using new isolinear tech in this ships parent class, we had to rebuild it from the ground up."
"Cool. Stuff it full of new bioneural tech it wasn't built for."
Different Technology that was actually developed before installed, hence a different outcome ;)
Always love stories about the Ambassador class! Wish there was a lot more alpha canon on this very under appreciated class of ship.
Couldn't agree more!
Gorgeous design. You can see how it would lead to the design of the Galaxy class.
Absolutely :)
❤ din t know 😊
The Ambassador is my fav class and I jokingly call the Narendra class the Ambassador 2.0. She is a true homage to her predecessor. Excellent job as always. Nerd approved.
Thank you Majin :)
It's too bad the Ambassador-class has such a lousy history, I absolutely love the aesthetic of the ship and think it really could've been so much more.
Indeed, though I like that it did tbh... I mean far too often everything in Trek is Perfect, Perfect, Perfect!. And stories like this, make things far more realistic :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios 👍👍👍
The Narendra Beta (the 25th century variant of the Narendra) is my go to ship in Star Trek Online, I love the design of the class. It looks great, both in its original 24th century look and the newer 25th century one.
I loved it! The story just flows so well that I may as well have been watching a movie. The ships are just so well done!
Thank you, man!
Glad you enjoyed it! And as always, thank you so much :)
A forgotten class resurrected, mid stage between Excelsior and Galaxy class.....Im stay with Excelsior class 🖖🏻
It certainly shows more of a lineage :)
The Next Phase for Excelsior Class is the MkII shown in Picard and the Obina Class shown in Lower Decks (Canon).
No it isnt David! There are many refit versions of the Nebula Class in S2 of Picard!
I absolutely love the story you came up with. Makes perfect sense. Well done 👍💪💯😊
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
Although it is Beta canon I enjoy how you expand on John Harriman's character. He's one individual who deserves more stories about especially since he commanded an Enterprise longer than any other captain
I've always wanted and felt he deserved more stories... So Im happy to include him when I can :)
one of my federation chars flys the narendra class in star trek online such a beauty i like the design a lot.
Beautiful ship an it should have been on screen if time would have allowed it to back then, to bad but one good thing is she lives on in out hearts an minds . Love it
I love this version of the Ambassador class. I think it works well as an in between design from the Excelsior-class Enterprise B and the Galaxy-class Enterprise D.
I agree, and I love starship lineage :)
A worthy successor to the Ambassador class.
Great video and loving the series 😊
Well done. I'm glad STO brought in the original design, I always loved the aesthetic more than the Ambassador design.
Thank you! And yes I love a good starship design ;)
I love the Narendra Class, it's one of my favourite Starships and has beautiful aesthetics and sleek shape.
This design is far nicer looking than what they had actually chosen to represent the Enterprise-C.
I like both designs, BUT, I do like this one just a little bit more ;)
Great stuff, your storytelling skills are great:)
Thanks a ton George :)
I’m so torn between the TNG Ambassador and the Narendra. Both are amazing designs.
I hear you :)
Awesome job merging the end of the TOS era with the TNG!!!!!!
Even though some of the ships aren't necessarily 'canon', watching your video presentations almost gives the flavor of sitting through a series of STA lectures on the history of federation ship design. Your synopsis of each ship is brilliantly done, with a short history on each class's namesake, and what led to the design & features of each one. I really look forward to watching each new release, not to mention rewatching older presentations. They always hold my rapt attention, and as an older ST model builder, (I watched the premier of Star Trek back Sept. 8, 1966 as an 11 year old kid & bought the AMT kits as soon as my hobby shop began carrying the kits themselves), your small lectures inspire me to work on designing & building some of these ships in a scale worthy of them.
It never ceases to amaze me with how you come up with all of the material for each one. In fact, I personally believe that you should come up with your own hardcopy book on federation ship design & recognition. I can't honestly speak for anyone else but myself, but I would be pleased to buy any books of that nature that might be put together by you. Kudos to a LOT of fantastic work on your part & many thanks for putting each one together!!
I feel the Narendra class is an underdog class. I kind of really like it, and I feel it’s a class born out of both the failure of the Ambassador class and the breakthrough of isolinear chip technology to supersede duotronic technology. Personally I gotta wonder: did Harriman get his promotion on a Tuesday?
LOL How'd you guess about promotion? :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Ehh. It’s been a Generational thing in my family. (I’ll see myself out of the airlock)
LOL ;)
The Narendra is gorgeous! Not hating on the Galaxy, but, I think this should have been the design for Enterprise D, probably would have made a better transfer to feature films, but then we wouldn't have got the sleek and mighty Sovereign class!
I do love my Sovereign Class, but this is a great design too :)
Thing that stood out most to me as an interesting tidbit, is the overlapping of time…in the series, there’s such a noticeable gap between TOS and TNG…to hear references of Harriman still being around and in starfleet when Picard was a captain is something that’s always interesting
Something contextually similar to something my dad asked when he began attending Burch with my mother, noting about the genealogy listed in genesis between the time of adam and the time of Noah, expressing some curiosity about which of those noted names would have been alive at the time of the flood
Realy cool beta canon story for the never seen thrue Ambesador / Narenda Class. Ist so nice to hear that the Narenda class get e second live after the Dominion war, parallel to the Galaxy and the Soverin Class.
Thank you :)
Well done! Let see more of these come as too many don't have a good and exciting Story with them!
Thank you Doug :)
Absolutely loved this...thank you! 🖖
You're very welcome :)
Awesome episode! Keep 'em coming please, Sir!
No worries, More to come! :)
I really do prefer the Probert designed ship. It's quite elegant and fits perfectly between the Excelsior and Galaxy classes. Though, I'd say was the offical Ambassador that much of a failure? After all, the Enterprise C was up against 4 warbirds. Then again, we don't see much of the class, so there's that.
Yes the Ambassador Class was a failure... The sacrifice of the Enterprise -C doesnt suddenly make it a success :P And it wasnt the battle with the Enterprise -C that made it a failure either :P
If the Ambassador is 50% of the way between Excelsior and Galaxy, then Narendra is 75% of the way there.
I love the Galaxy, Intrepid, and Excelsior mixes in the build. The story feels like it gives life to what the Ambassador should have been rather Galaxy-Light that it felt like at first, with a name giving weight to the events where another lady named Enterprise and her captain helped shape the galaxy for the better, one act of honor and kindness at a time. Yeshua bless you friend! You act in the same tradition each time you post and share your creativity in a world needing to remember there is hope. ^.^
I always loved the lines on this ship/variant in particular.
I liked a lot of this. The Ambassador does indeed look bulky with advanced, but half baked, designs. We see the short phaser strips, the bulky nacells and general massive, bulbous appearance. The Ambassador is an enormous ship for its time and represents an enormous use of resources. That the these big ships weren't working as well as they should would indeed have been an embarrassment and loss of confidence. Especially if the Excelsior class wasn't up to heavy combat anymore, and their costly replacements, the Ambassadors, weren't the ultra heavy cruiser they were meant to be either.
Despite the close connection with the Ambassador, the Narendra really can't be seen as the same class; it's too different. The shapes are different, it's more elegant, with a smaller scale, despite a nearly identical length to the Ambassador. While still a heavy cruiser, the Narendra weight class is significantly lighter than the massive Ambassador. On the other hand, its advanced tech might well make up the difference; Its phaser strips and smaller nacelles suggest problems have been worked out, technologies have been perfected and that the Galaxy project is feasible. Rather than being designed a a relative few years after the launch of the Ambassador, it might have been several years of struggling with the Ambassador class, the Narendra being a relative svelte interim design to prove new technology first before investing in even more colossal starships.
I liked the idea that the 2nd starship was meant to be the new Enterprise D. With the Enterprise C something of a 'failure' for its loss and beta canon shenanigans, combined with the misrepresentations of the Ambassador class in general, I could imagine why the Enterprise lineage might be suspended for quite some time. The name intended to be used for a new class that was capable of replacing the Ambassadors, but then being held back some more for the culmination of the Galaxy project. The long gap between Enterprise ships being indicative of some ongoing political issues.
This sort of 'explains' the 'wrong' ship frieze used on the conference room wall. While it might never have existed, the Narendra Enterprise made its appearance in spirit as decor in the Galaxy D, sort of cutting out the Ambassador Enterprise.
Amazing Beta-Canon you've created for the Narendra Class and the (political) rehabilitation of the unjustly maligned John Harriman! My only tiny nitpick is that I would've put the Enterprise C's length of service up to 12 years, which was the most commonly cited timeframe in most other beta canon. Otherwise everything's perfect!
PS My headcanon atop of yours: Admiral Harriman initially wanted to include the Narendra Class's advanced curved pylons onto the Galaxy Class's design, but under immense pressure from Federation President Jaresh Inyo(who was elected in 2355 and served until 2373), he was forced to drop the idea and went for an upscaled version of the Excelsior Class's pylons instead. Upon discovering this Captain Jean-Luc Picard was so appalled by President Inyo's pettiness that he put the Narendra Class in place of the Enterprise C's Ambassador Class(whose design flaws accelerated her & her crew's demise) in the display shelf in his ready room, as Harriman was his hero and mentor during his his early Starfleet days. This Defiant Act would result in the political fallout between Picard and Inyo due to the latter's misplaced antipathy towards Harriman.
I'd love to see a series about the Enterprise B & C Stargazer era it's fascinating.
I think (Like I've always said) that they should make a Trek Anthology Series where we could see so many different Eras and Events! :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I'm sure that they paramount have scouts out heh.
I absolutely love this version, proberts design is 100% better than what we were given on screen, love the story you have given it, this version i prefer over the Excelsior class ships.
If it wasn't for budget they would have built the concept ambassador class as the guest ships. But because paramount didn't want to pay they subbed the film models. The NCC -2000 filled in for the Ambassador.
Sorry Jeffrey, you are incorrect... The blame doesnt lie at Paramounts feet, the blame lies at the feet of the production team. The budget per episode is set way in advance of the season. And it is up to the production team to divert the budget where nessasary. And they did, creating the model of the Enterprise C as they wanted it.
Unfortunately, the model was needed much sooner than the time it would take to fabricate the smoother lines of Probert's concept, requiring Sternbach's alterations which ended up on Greg Jein's final model.
It had absolutely NOTHING to do with budget... You need to stop placing blame at Paramount and CBS every time you make a comment, as you have yet to be correct!
Glad you like it Paul, thank you :)
8:09 What a beaty. Even better than the galaxy was.
Soooooo, much better of improvement! They are beautiful ships.
Wow great video also love the ambassador class this ships are fighters
Thank you very much!
I prefer this version of the Nerendra Class to your earlier version. I also like the explanation as to why the Nerendra Class was almost scraped bu then revived out of necessity. Personally I have a fondness for the Ambassador Class and then the Nerendra Class as they are a precursor to the Galaxy Class. I always liked the overall look of both Classes mentioned and your explanation of their development.
Thank you Donald :)
hit or miss, this classes is great on the eyes and ears. Along it's sister classes. They handle great in battle and in the science departments
It's a great design :)
I absolutely love your video's!! Thank you so much❤
You are very welcome :)
Love these beta canon ship videos! Keep it up! Would love to see your take on the Sutherland class from STO/PIC season 2.
Thanks! And no worries, it's coming ;)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Huzzah!
@GM Arcbolt I, too, would like to add a huzzah!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios - indeed these are fun! - my only minor complaint is woth the really long disclaimers in the whole beta canon series....maybe scroll it on the screen quickly at the beginning and use the beauty shots during the classes introduction instead.. love the visuals so don't want to skip ...but it gets old hearing the disclaimers....otherwise awesome!
To be honest CJ Adams, it's just something you're going to have to put up with ;)
First, I get new comers all the time, and so they need to hear it.
Second, This Channel revolves around Canon, and thus is clearly defined in each video.
Finally, If I can take ALL the time researching, writing, creating the visuals and editing all these videos, I feel that the audience can spend the 20 Seconds listening to the intro ;)
While I do still prefer the original ambassador design, I think the Narendra varient fits in nicely.
Star Trek definitely needs to tell the stories of the Enterprise B and C
I keep looking at this one - the one I saw on the display wall... Some reason, some way, I am convinced there was another Enterprise between C and D. We will assume NCC-17014, but otherwise she's an entirely classified Enterprise. Much as the NX-01 was classified for over a century.
I do love the chonky design of the Ambassador Class, such a pity it was a failure, I'd love to have seen it more. I know some remained in service, like the Zhukov and the Excalibur but they're glimpsed all too fleetingly for my liking.
Despite the different asthetic I really like this version too but from some angles the secondary hull is a really weird shape.
Was Captain Harriman promoted to admiral next tuesday?
How'd you guess? :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Not sure, call it, something I heard.
I swore I replied but I guess not. I know I'm late to the party but I absolutely LOVE this design. I really wish this had been the official version of the Enterprise-C. I mean don't get me wrong I like what we got as the final version for the C but that was a bit rushed and the early concept just looked better in my opinion. I hope to one day get a model of it.
I head-canon that only the saucer & nacelles of the Enterprise-C survived, but all crew was lost so the Enterprise-C herself would be restored & refitted as a Narendra-class to continue her mission until the Galaxy project ships would be released.
I'm like the beta Canon history videos your making keep them coming
Thanks, will do! :)
Wonderful video!
Have this ship on star trek online. Love this ship it's way better looking ship than the galaxy class. I run the galaxy material on the hull and window design on this ship and it's a stunting ship in it's own design. Ambassador class isn't bad looking ship but Narendra class took it a while new level of design and look.
Would had been ideal to have seen this ship at the Fleet Museum. In fact, the USS Voyager should had been a Narendra Class star ship. Or a renamed Enterprise-C and placed at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D...
Love your videos man!
It would be really awesome if you might consider a video for the Ambassador class USS Excalibur..
One of my favorite hero ships from the extended universe.. fun idea here, what what if something epic & heroic & legendary happened to the Galaxy class Excalibur-A during the recent Picard final episodes?? Like they figured they could switch back to analog somehow and did some serious damage to the aid of Starfleet, but ultimately had to be decommissioned after the battle, and the next USS Excalibur-B was a new Ross class variant!?!? 😏😱🤯😍
Very sleek looking.
You didn't go into weapons, crew, etc., this video though. On purpose or an oversight?
On purpose :) As there is no information on the class in those regards... So I opted to just tell the story as opposed to making the stats up :) At least this time ;)
Another great and the its tempting me to get one in STO too! Feels like a proper hero ship.
It's not bad. Fleet version has alot more hull HP than an odyssey class.
Always wondered why we did not get the concept as the enterprise-c compared to what we got on TNG
I like the Narendra class better than the Ambassador class. Way sexyer.
Good video!
I don't know much information as of this time is available but would you be looking at some of the newer classes of Starship featured in Star Trek Picard (season 2 episode one Especially?)
I always thought the Enterprise C was the most aesthetic of all the ships. It keeps the classic design , but with the next generation refit.
I love Andrew proberts design a lot better than the ambassador class we saw in yesterdays enterprise which is your favorite design?
in my head cannon your a starfleet historian teaching the history of the classes lost to history
LOVE it! Thank you :)
Thank you very much for this nice Video. Like this Version very much. I have ohne in Sto
You are welcome! And Im VERY glad you enjoyed it :)
I wish one of the constantly growing number of Trek shows would somehow tell the story of Narendra III. Considering how much it affected the history, it should be told.
Still LOTS of time for that!
I'm a diehard TNG fan, but I wish this was used as the design for the galaxy class.
I personally think that ninety-nine percent of the beta Cannon story points are just so absolutely boring. I enjoy looking at the space boats that's about it.
Great video! Aesthetically, I still prefer the Ambassador class, though that didn’t diminish my enjoyment of this 😊
Well I cant fault you for loving a classic ;)
Thank you !!!!!
Is there any way you could show a line of the Starfleet starships throughout the Federation's history side by side, providing a length of each ship, and the years of service? 🤨
The Narendra looks more like the logical inbetween of the Excelsior to the Galaxy.
According to the internet the enterprise b was built by the systems alliance navy in the port next to the SR2 normandy as it was in spacedock being repaired and after commander shepherd surrendered to earth.
How about that mix up????
Beta Canon is far from worthless, you always point out that any information is just a kittle fun and should be taken with a little pinch of stardust.
I could not recall the Narendra Class, but it sounds like Harriman outdid himself, bringing practical skills and a users understanding of what was needed to the redesign of the Ambassador class.
That's right, as it is meaningless, Ive never said worthless btw, Ive always said meaningless... as it has no bearing on Canon what so ever! Dont start
making up things to complain about now!
And he certainly did!
I have a concern: what happens if I stroke out from anticipation waiting for the NEXT VIDEO?! Huh?! Have you considered that?! You monster!?! 🤣
Much better design!
I knew you'd say that :P
Will we have a video about the Proxima Class ships?
One day!
Did the old Narendra Beta Canon video get lost o,.O
It became classified! :P
I enjoy your beta-canon stories. Full stop.
Thank you, Full stop.
I like the story regarding the history of the ship; however, it still does not explain the wall display onboard the Enterprise D. If we really want to include the "Narrendra class" as cannon to explain its shadowy existence in Star Trek, then I think it's limited appearance needs a better explanation. It is possible it was constructed and somehow one of the ships was indeed christened as the Enterprise-C. In fact, it was probably deliberately done to hide the embarrassment of the failure of the original Ambassador class resulting in the destruction of the 1st Enterprise-C. The Narendra class is seen as a refit for the Ambassador class, similar to what happened with the Constitution class. Reason why not all Ambassador class ships were replaced is probably because not all of them had issues which the original C suffered from, likely due to the crews of each ships finding solution to fix the problems that plagued the Ambassador fleet. Since these crew built modifications improved their ships, there probably wasn't a justification to get rid of them.
It doesnt need to be explained, as Trek did what it often does, it retconned that display... So although you might see the Narendra Class on the wall, Canon has told us it is not! Case closed!
@TriAngulumAudioStudios I know Trek has an extensive history of doing that - which I absolutely detest and think it's just a lazy way of writers avoiding discussion of a subject matter. I wish they had more creative insight to explain the noticeable discrepancies. Your story shows more creative effort in explaining the history of the ship than what they pulled off.
Thank you... But my story isnt designed to complain about what Trek does or doesn't do, but rather to give a satisfying explanation for the retcon... And to be honest, expecting Trek to explain every retcon would actually be bad writing, not what they did for Yesterday's Enterprise which is seen by fandom as one of the best episodes of TNG!
Maybe I am showing my age, but I disliked the Ambassador and most of the "project Galaxy" class ships. Maybe it is just me, but to my 50 year old eyes, They are not as aesthetically pleasing at the later Intrepid and Sovereign classes and their looks were not worthy successors to the TOS/TMP style ships. I just found them ugly due to their extreme width when compared to their length. "Short and stubby" is how I would describe them.
Why is everyone against the screen used Ambassador Class? It's a failure this and a failure that... No it is not. The Enterprise C (screen used Ambassador Class) singled handedly took on 4 warbirds. Yea she lost. But her efforts allowed there to be piece between the Klingons and Federation. The Enterprise D couldn't even handle 3 K'vort Class Bird of Prey's (they where referred to as battle cruisers in Yesterday's Enterprise which is silly) I'll take the screen used Ambassador Class over the Narendra Class any day. Plus the weapons layout (phaser's) made way more sense when compared to the Galaxy Class.
my head cannon says the uss Titan -c was this class
Eaglemoss has a ship Of the enterprise c concept art
Also ship no matter how bad their history deserve love.
I try to give all Class the love they deserve ;)
@1:29; Ungood. Enterprise-B was an Excelsior class. Enterprise-C or "Charlie variant" was an Ambassador class. The kinked pylons were the biggest "gaffe".
Beyond that, another top quality vid. Many thanx.
It is this comment that is "ungood" as I WAS talking about the history of the Enterprise B I included in this video, not the Enterprise C's history... You should pay better attention :P Beyond that mistake you made, thank you for the comment ;)
They could have used this class to re-launched the spore drive.
Both designs are good but the one they used, better.
Ahhhhh, you love the original eh?
Personally, I think the Narendra Class should’ve been the Titan-A/Enterprise-G
🤔 So, the old Ambassador class was the most controversial one in Starfleet history? 🤨
The Ambassador is so much better looking than the Excelsior, with only those odd right angle pylons detracting/ Whereas the Excelsior looks like an uprated cargo/garbage hauler.
How is the Ambassador be a failure when it was destroyed fighting four Romulan warbirds?!
The Enterprise D couldn’t handle so many at one time.
You need to pay better attention to the video... No where does it say that the Ambassador Class was a failure because of the Enterprise C's Battle! The Ambassador Class was a failure because basically, Starfleet threw it together, utilizing New Technology (Isolinear Tech) mixed with old Technology (Duotronic Tech) without testing it first!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I don’t need to listen better. I watched the previous video concerning the Ambassador class as well as this one.
The premise from your last video was that the Enterprise should have fared better in the fight at Narendra. I don’t think that’s fair to the Enterprise crew after reviewing more about the ship and what happened.
I still like your videos though ✌️
Actually, you do, because if you HAD listened to the video, then you wouldnt have asked "How is the Ambassador be a failure when it was destroyed fighting four Romulan warbirds?" since no where was that even suggested. The failure of the class has has nothing to do with the Ent C! So your entire comment is moot!
And thank you, I still appreciate your support! :)
Nooo I wanted admiral Jameson
LOL
The Narendra Class is much better looking compared to the Ambassador Class.
So much more of an attractive ship than that butt ugly excelsior class thank you for enlighten me on this class
Awwww, no love for the Excelsior Class? :( :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I'm a fan of all sci-fi starships etc but I truly believe the excelsior class is the ugliest of all... Keep up with a great videos though I appreciate your hard work and diligence on them
“ Nice “ “ Compact “ “ Ship “ “ Not “ “ Too “ “ Bulky “ “ But “ “ Tight “
On another channel it said he gave up command because of the death of Kirk! How can an officer be promoted to Admiral when he was giving a desk job?
Well A) Now you see why Beta Canon is meaningless, as it often conflicts with each other and B) Watch Trek to see promoted Admirals being given desk jobs! Happens all the time!
It took half of the entire video just to get to the ship you're talking about. That's called grand standing.
Yeah, No!
Definition of Grandstanding; acting or speaking in a way intended to attract attention and to influence the opinion of people who are watching.
What it's actually called is good storytelling, exactly what my audience expects, which is why you are the only one whining about it... So if you don't like it, you know where the door is! You're not that important, and this channel will continue to grow and do just fine without you!
PS, In the future, you might want to know the definition of the words/ terms you use in order to prevent embarrassment again! Cya!