I am leaving this as an addendum to the video. I have been told that the dimensions i listed in the video are wrong. They are not, those are the officially given dimensions from the showrunners/producers/whatever. They were listed, to the best of my knowledge, in the extras from when SG-1 was released on DVD in that giant box they came in. HOWEVER. The reason the scale not only changes but looks so weird is due to making it look good on screen. It’s extremely common to dramatically change the size of ships on screen to make action, setpieces or more look better. A great example of this is any WW2 movie in the pacific ever. If the scale was accurate, then carrier fleets would be so spread out you would barely be able to see the ships in the distance. So instead, they make them way bigger, and put them way closer to make the scenes look better compared to what it is in reality. As far as I’m aware, the sizes given are lore accurate, that doesn't mean they were consistently followed in the series. If anyone does have concrete sources stating a different size then let me know and I’ll edit this comment to correct myself.
While i don't think it a big issue, because your video is great, I do agree that the dimensions are are off. That's just a observation comparing the 2 bridges section from the Ford and the 304, and assuming a relatively similar size of each deck to current navy ships. Even if the 304's bridge is only standing 2 decks high above the main body flat section, this implies it is bigger than the Ford in all 3 dimensions
OK to stop the madness EVERYONE can go watch trekyards video on the ships they had the official (used by the show) numbers and CGI model to work with. I am not watching 4 twenty minute videos to stop this argument. Last the producers themselves say they don't know where these numbers come from they were just there one day. Good job on the video haven't laughed so hard at nerd stuff in some time
Stargate in a nutshell: Season 1: “Holy shit! Snake people! Run!” Season 5: “Look man, we don’t wanna kill you, we just wanna talk.” Season 10: “What up fuckers! You talking mad shit for someone in nuking range!” Atlantis: “I hear you like nukes, here, have five.”
Truth be told, they were pretty Nuke happy right from the start. In the very first episode, Hammond was ready to glass Abydos until O'Neil convinced him otherwise. They just didn't have the delivery methods back then.
You know its funny Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica ran concurrently back in the day and when the Big G jumped to Earth at the end i was convinced they would be surrounded by 304s with an anoyed O'niell asking them who the hell they were.
Now that would have been a hillarious and amazing season finale .. or time it with the finale of Atlantis .. Humans vs. Killer Robots vs. Space Vampires.
I was actually hoping that Earth would be a Multi Planet Human Race.... Moving towards Expanse territory, and the Galactica just infused Tech and Designs.... Belters V Toasters....
Stargate had the best portrayal of how humans would operate. Mining planets, giving technology to tribal people, experimental worlds we basically treat like the Bikini Atoll and strategic staging bases all over the galaxy… not because we’re going to go to war with the universe, but just in case we need to.
@@adarkwind4712 Iam not saying its good or bad but its literally americans in stargate acting like americans today. Not every nation / human will act the same way if they were to have a stargate.
@@origami83 I am saying if they were to act differently, they'd all be dead. Once Pandoras box is opened, it can't be closed. Once Apophis found out about earth again, that was it, and it has to be taken advantage of. You can't, as senator Kinsey wanted to, just bury it. So you have to use it to try and build yourself up before the barbarians arrive at the gate. Most of the early show was about exploration and gathering intel and tech but very often they would end up helping people with aid and supplies. Because they were stuck in a perpetual medieval time due to not being allowed to progress past a certain technological level. So they weren't just on the warpath. But to try and operate any other way or worse not operate at all would eventually lead to our own destruction.
@@adarkwind4712 i agree with you 100%, but still its just americans doing it. Not earth or humanity as a whole or humans in general. Pretty much every other scifi has a united earth or humanity as a whole acting together. Only stargate has the usa presuming to act on behalf of earth, while hoarding all tech, discoveries and alliances for themselves. Once they realized what they were up against the whole us military should have been involved, combined with every earth government and resource to battle the goauld. But that didnt happen, only once they could reliably force every nation on earth to follow their directive (when they got their first spaceships) did they share the common threat.
One particularly memorable moment illustrating just how ridiculously outpaced humanity has most other races with the mean beams is when they get into a fight with the big bad of the show and have to figure out how NOT to destroy the enemy vessel until their people are rescued off of it. After that has been accomplished the captain orders in an almost bored tone: "please make that ship go away". One shot. Done.
what I love about Stargate is that you can track down every single tech to an episode when they acquired/stole/developed it. The tech continuity is so good, and you see the same thing turning up on one of their spaceship in the next season its just so satisfying. Also, they really tend to weaponize everything they can...when they realize that Naquadria is way too unstable to use it as a power source they go: "hmm unstable you say, lets use it to enhance the yield of our already cataclysmic nukes". Its an amazing ship design, looks utilitarian and menacing, something humanity would build to serve as a warship. No fancy curves, and decoration, its sharp angles, and weapons. I never forget when I saw it for the first time in Atlantis S203 when she comes about and start engaging the Wraith. What an introduction to a hero ship. I also really appreciated that finally they didnt just used main characters to crew their ship ( shoutout to Col. Pendergast who died on the Prometheus tho ) like they often did with Prometheus, but this class had their own crew except the tactical officer guy who was seemingly both served on the Daedalus and the Odyssey. Another shoutout to the girl who was handling maneuvering and her only line in the show was MAX THRUST! :) An amazing ship enjoyed every second of screentime it got.
also their knowledge of stargates, at the start they barely know how to dial home, by the end they can rewire it efforlessly as for tech, there is also just seing that somthing exist and just macguyver their version of it
They probably just rotated the crews around as the crew roosters grew bigger with each new ship (it's a shame they never showed us the assembly line of the F-302 and the dockyards of the BC-304s)
The real stupid part is something else entirely. Ha'taks are pyramids with a triangular base. The pyramids of giza meanwhile have a square base. As have pretty much all other pyramids ever build on earth. You would not be able to land one of those on ANY large pyramid ever constructed by ancient humans. IIRC, it was a goof by the art department that no one noticed until it was too late.
@@Alexander_Kale Exactly, but I believe the original movie showed this happening more accurately. Not with Ha'taks, but a Cheops class, which has a square base
@@iycephoenixx4249 Yes. Ra's pimp ride was a four sided pyramid. The goof happened when they made the the series. We do see Ha'taks land once or twice, but never on pyramids iirc.
The Daedalus' pet Asgard was very reluctant to allow the beaming tech to be used as a weapons deployment method, until he was convinced by lots of wraith shooting at the ship he is on. They only managed to beam nukes into wraith ships a few times before the wraith figured out what was going on and jammed their beaming (which kinda implies they dealt with that sort of thing before). There was later a cooperative effort to circumvent the jamming but it went tits up and the wraith betrayed them, because of course it did.
The wraiths indeed did deal with beamed weapons before because they had fought the ancients (who sank Atlantis and promptly assnded into Q-like beings).
@@LionlordEbonfire I don't think the ancients ever invented Asgard style beaming, it's always needed the rings or an enclosed area like the ones in atlantis. The Ori are an offshoot of the ancients and they use deployable ring platforms. They may have run into the rogue Asgard who had no compunctions about beaming bombs over, so they developed a jamming signal and managed to destroy all their high tech Asgard ships and that's why they have the less advanced ones.
@@andrewbutton2039 we never saw a fully functional, powered and crewed ancient ship at war trying everything (I think there was one flash back). But when they were fighting the Wraith (according to Atlantis lore) they tried everything but were massively outnumbered only sinking Atlantis as a final measure. It seems reasonable that they would try things like that. Also the replicators that tried to replicate Ancient tech (I remember they were made to fight the Wraith and that worked out poorly) and likely they could have done the same.
@@LionlordEbonfire maybe, but it seems like a very specifically tailored counter. I don't discount the possibility the ancients invented, or perhaps recreated, an Asgard style transporter, but I feel the rogue Asgard are maybe a more reasonable explanation.
You're both forgetting the Vanir. There _were_ Asgard living in Pegasus when the Wraith first emerged. There were only a few, so they got mobbed and reduced to stealth and scavenging, but before being defeated, I'm sure the Vanir pulled that trick a few times.
The spicey phaser beams being so powerful actually does make sense. The Asgard were on par with the Ancients who build the stargates before they ascended, their tech has continued to advance all that time. Even up until the replicators and genetic engineering mistakes cause their end.
There's also the XSGCM explaination: Nukes and plasma broadsides batter down shields. Plasma beams pierce shields. See also: the Golden F-U Beam on Ori Toiletships.
The Asgard did admit once that the Ancients were actually even more advanced than they ever were. Also, I like to think that the Ancients ascended the Asgard just before their planet exploded. I know they don't usually do that sort of thing but they were close allies at one point and that's the sort of favor you'd do for a friend even if they weren't expecting it.
@@Kalenz1234 Wrong. Asgard have point-to-point teleporters, stronger shields than the Ancients ever had, antimatter reactors sufficiently efficient to outcompete ZPMs, and the Plasma Beam.
The argument between who has better tech between the Ancients and Asgard is kind of silly. The areas of tech they specialize in are vastly different. Like comparing planes to submarines. Both advanced theory and engineering are required, but in different areas.
I think my favorite part about the 303-304 progression is the fact that you can distinctly see a "lessons learned" approach. All the design cues are still there, they just look more refined, more mature, and better-implemented. You've still got the forward section with a bit of a chin, the hangar pods, the carrier-like command bridge, and even the top plate hull design is present on the 303, just in an odd position and not nearly as large.
@@JustPlainRex As standard the BC-304 traveled at 1.9 lightyears per second, with a ZPM it goes up to 4 or more and that is still slower than Asgard ships like the Beliskner and O'Neill class.
@@Predator42IDThey should be more than fast enough to catch up to the destiny in just a few weeks as fast as they can go. I think it literally takes them minutes to travel between galaxies.
@@JustPlainRex It still takes it like a year or longer to travel between galaxies while Asgard ships take minutes to travel the same distance. That is more than just a little faster that is millions of times faster in actuality. Therefore a couple million years travel is reduced to just months, it's pretty simple math actually.
Slight correction regarding the hyperdrive the F302 had they never could get them to work at any significant range, but they could make very short jumps, which they used to jump inside an enemy ships shields and open fire.
To my knowledge, they abandoned the hyper drive idea completely once they got their space carrieres working. 302s are NEVER seen operating across interstellar distances.
@@Alexander_Kale Oh that's true, but just like with the "They have teleporters and nukes, so what do they do of course?" the whole point of the f302 Hyperdrive is that while it's intended goal of jumping interstellar distance proved unfeasible, they were able to take advantage of the hyperdrive's ability to sort of teleport first to get rid of an overloading stargate before it exploded at planet breaking intensity, and then to bypass the shields on a super mothership after realizing there was enough of a gap between the shield and the hull to gate a fighter in there to attack. It's got some parallels to the earlier trick where they handled a planet busting asteroid by modifying an alien ships hyperdrive to jump through the earth instead of impacting, or in Atlantis where when the ancient ship's engines were unfixable, they instead juiced the shields to facilitate using the super volcano eruption to hyperjump to orbit.
naquadria being an artificialy created variant of naquada that is FLAWED and expodentialy unstable because the nunbers said it was so much more powerfull than naquada it allowed for smaller hyperdrives ones that could be on "fighter jets" ... but on the test they discovered that it had that instability flaw which didn't allow for more than intra system "short" jumps
@@BrendanKOD I LOVE Stargate for that consistency. They learn you can jump a wormhole in Solitudes then use it to save Earth in A Matter of Time and to block the Supergate in Pegasus Project. As a last ditch hail mary, they ride an asteroid through Earth. Then later use that knowledge to attack Anubis's Super Mothership. Carter uncovers the Autodial tech in the Kahlek DHD and then she and McKay use that to make the Intergalactic Gate Bridge. Everything has a path you can follow.
They had a lot of real life military involvement to the point some people think it’s a soft reveal of real life info. In the wormhole extreme episode the person signed the documents on SG1 to allow the fake “wormhole extreme” show Was really the actual person who would be signing that in real life. Tons of stuff like that in the show
21:03 the BC-304 is actually 650 meters long, 367 meters wide and 131 meters high. The 200-225 meters long, 90-95 meters wide, and 70-75 meters high are wrong because not even ONE f-302 fighter can fit in one of the BC-304’s hangars.
I had a feeling those dimensions given were wrong, just comparing the bridge from the current day carrier to the 304, the is no way the Ford is bigger than the 304.
The f-302 is an especially shit example to use because in "canon" the 302 has a wider wingspan than a boeing 747, yet we see in an episode where a gate is attached to the bottom of an f-302 that the stargate is a little less than half as long as an f-302 is. The scale of that fighter is beyond wrong even at a glance. It's closer to the size of an f-35 if you scale based on the pilot. I'm willing to accept that the dimensions for the daedalus are wrong. But I refuse to scale them based off the 302, it's just too ridiculous.
USS Enterprise (CV-6) was roughly 250m long. and could carries about 90 aircrafts. Though WW2 fighters were much smaller than F-302s, but given there were only 8-16 F-302s onboard the Daedalus. I think they should fit fine (I think the 302 could fold its wing?).
My biggest problem with the Prometheus is that it never actually DID anything. It got stolen twice, got lost in space, tried to Ram Anubis but aborted, then got blown up.
@@Alexander_Kale on my most recent rewatch, the thing that bugged me the most was that it's blown up in Ethon then instantly replaced the next episode in Off The Grid. It would have had so much more impact if we'd been practically defenceless for a few weeks at least before the Odyssey was brought online.
I feel like when you look at the ha'tak class vs. the BC-303 and 304 it's like, here is the Ha'Tak it's a ship of intimidation, it's designed to scare it's enemies... and then there is the 303 and 304 i.e. these are ships of war, they are designed to kick butt
That's exactly it, Goa'uld weaponry is theatre, for playing out their own internal struggle, from the staff weapons right up to the motherships, the System Lords were all quite content to play the same game, forever, till you had the Tau'ri, Anubis and Baal turn up and upset things...
That is not remotely descriptive of reality. Ha'taks are effectively the Arley Burke equivalent of the Goa'uld. You need a lot of them, you have a limited budget, and you need them to be able to do a lot of different things, from fleet engagements to orbital bombardments to troop transport to escort duty to occasional freighter duty. So you build Ha'taks. And keep in mind, before the BC 304 got their Asgard Beams? they would have been fricking USELESS against a Ha'tak. Here you have a ship that is armed with multiple turrets firing blasts equivalent to nuclear bombs, protected by something that can shrug of nuclear blasts. The 304 had Railguns. Cool. What is that going to do against a shield that can shrug of super charged Naquadah-Nukes? What are your missiles gonna do against something that is fast enough it can run rings around your missiles until their reaction based rocket motors run out of fuel? Ha'taks will never run out of ammunition, because their weapons are energy based. As long as it has reaction mass, it can fight. Their engines are not rocket motors, so they can go full blast in WHATEVER direction they choose, unlike the Daedalus, which would have to turn around. They have powerful guns that can rapid fire. Their shields are absurdly strong. A single one can glass a planet in days, and the only reason it takes so long is because planets are huge. It takes only TWO people to operate these things in a combat situation, make that ONE if you really have to, and a CHILD could learn do it in shord order.
Also, if Anubis or the Replicators get their hands on Ha'taks, they can upgrade them, like, ten times better. Because they're copied Precursor tech and the Precursors's gimmick was 'lasts forever' so Goa'uld tech also lasts forever, Warhammer-style.
@@memnarch129 Well, yeah, he could not very well say the truth. That being, "we want you to buy our inferior weapons that require ammunition you cannot make so you are dependent on us and can never ever rebel against us." The staff is effectively a grenade launcher that never runs out of ammo. In the first season it could tear down meter thick stone walls and regularly exploded trees. A single hit of this thing means you go down with either a lost limb or a fatal torso wound. Did i also mention how they never ever run out of ammo? Or break? Or require maintenance? Mount a laser pointer or a reflex sight on a staff and voila. Best infantry weapon in the setting.
The 301 backfired on SG command hilariously, when the owner of said fighter activated the returnhome device on it and the fighter literally started flying out of the Solar system.
The reason why Star Trek doesn't use teleporters as weapons is that (most) factions can't bypass shields with teleporters. In the Kobiyashi Maru book, Scotty basically does this to get him one of the highest, if not the highest, kill count of Klingon cruisers during the exercise. He had done a research paper about how Klingons like their formation's shields together and how torpedoes precisely placed could theoretically, but not in practice, destroy the entire formation. As it was a simulation thought, it actually worked. Add to this, that ships in Star Trek rely on shields for defense. By and large, the ships is completely vulnerable as soon as the shields are down.
Also because the Trek writers are actually unimaginative when it comes to tech. Thus why replicators are never used to mass produce drone fighters weapons for a ship crew. (And yes trekkies, they CAN both examples have been done with food replicators, and in principle replicators are nothing more than teleporters taking "raw material" and reshaping it into something "usable", and that material is energy and a Star Trek ship thanks to the dark matter scoops while at warp speed have effectively unlimited power)
@@codyraugh6599Deep Space 9 fixed all of this. They had a Replicator drone minefield, and the lockdown protocol on the Space German station (long story) created tiny little phaser turrets in the Replicators and then fed them from the power grid. And then there's the Defiant class. A picket frigate designed *for war.* A tiny brick with about the same firepower as the _Enterprise,_ *a cloak,* and _armor plating._ Crap warp range, zero amenities, but they produced several a year, and they could actually fight better than the big saucer multirole leviathans.
@@JoshSweetvale ah yes Deep Space 9, where a industrial Replicator was being fought over, because it was being used to produce shovels and backhoes... Not a years supply but replacing damaged ones...
"Hive ships are easily ten times the size of the Daedalus" theres a scene in SGA, in season 2 i believe, where the team comes up with the idea of hiding the daedalus in the fat folds of a "friendly" hiveship because the hiveship is so gargantuan that no one on the outside would notice them hiding inside.
The Defiant isn't really a battleship though. Its more of a destroyer with weapons way more powerful than a destroy should have. Although now that I've just looked up the sizes of each ship the Defiant isn't actually that much smaller than the Daedalus. I guess it just goes to show that the Daedalus is actually pretty small and the Defiant feels notably smaller because its in the mix with tons of other Starfleet capital ships that are all quite a bit bigger.
The best thing about them that you could track down every single piece of tech to the episode they acquired/developed/stole them. The tech continuity is fantastic in Stargate.
@@neutchain7838 yeah they did a great job at back engineering and working it into the storylines. Dont think we've seen a show do that before or since as well as they did.
@@The_Zilli Stargate was pretty unique in that regard, they started out with nothing like literally nothing. They went out and stole everything that fit through the gate lol. It was funny that they even adressed this in the show with some of the NID storylines.
@@neutchain7838 yeah they had such a natural progression of everything, which made it great and why we all dont want a reboot. Its literally like watching someone build a house brick by brick, even more so than Star Trek or Star Wars franchise and then coming in and saying we're going to blow it up and start anew. no other show did what they did... man do i miss SG1 still...
@@The_Zilli Loved that show I still rewatching it evwry now and then. I thought Atlantis was amazing too, more space battles and finally real aliens the Wraith lore was really cool. I liked the darker tone of Universe too, interesting characters and a beautiful soundtrack. Shame they cut short Atlantis for it only to cancel it for seasons later.
There is an episode in Star Trek Voyager, where they came upon a Borg scout ship and transported a photon torpedo into the scout ship. And yes, it did go. Boom.
I love how you explain the SGC's escalation policy. It's just like Habitual Linecrosser describes Canadians: either incredibly apologetic or walking genocide.
My all time favorite Sci fi ship. I've always told friends this ship put in other Sci fi galaxies could change the tide of wars. Send a fleet of them and they can make the bad guys go away. Like star trek the major threats to the Federation would learn fear real quick. Simply because the Daedalus would get to their home worlds before they had a chance to tell their fleets to guard the borders.
It’s even funnier when you realize that the ship isn’t even max level because the show ended before they figured out how to manufacture ‘Ancient Drones’ than replace the non nuclear missiles with swarms of angry fireballs that don’t give a damn about shields and the rail guns with mini drone’s for bullets.
@@julonkrutor4649 Beam a few Gatebuster nukes inside. At bare minimum, it would be disabled. The Death Star will never get a hit on the 304 with its planet buster weapon...never. It's secondary weapons would only tickle its shields. But I'm guessing that you were being sarcastic.
@@johncee853 A few? More like all they have ... and they could not beam them to the really critical systems - because those are shielded ^^ Also, it was build to withstand a full scale attack of the imperial navey ... So tickle my be a bit underselling it. I would say the 304 fights at range and dances with it for as long as it can ^^
The Deadelus aka we get all the good stuff. 20:03 Kirk used it several times. But Scotty won the prize of best weapon transported to another ship by beaming Tribbles into a Klingon ship on two occasions.
Tribbles the fleshy von newman critters that are so vast, so cute, so tasty, so incredibly Hilarious. " Tell me Worf, do they still sing songs about the great Tribble hunt?" Odo.
STARGATE WOO! The taur'ii ships are _so_ good. They just _feel_ like something the USA would make. Prometheus feels and sounds like a classic muscle car…in space…with GUNS.
You are so right. And Hammond set the mound on the hard edged human ship commander all but one commander would follow. World building wise, it was perfect because this was the first ship. And it needed to look like that. If you looked at the first versions of the Kaga it is a mess. But then they learned and made a better ship. And considering it was put together to deal with the very real likely hood of extinction, it made sense.
you are a bit shy on a few points, but I can tell your trying. The 301 was mostly adapted Goa'auld tech, including the base frame and computer, unfortunately. It was only used once to leave earths atmosphere, and then it had a computer program ready to slow boat the test pilots(main characters of course) all the way to some lightyears away base planet, where the message basically said they will just house out the cockpit and prep it for continued service. This is why humanity is straight to nuke it on a threat. The Asgard tech is partially present on the Prometheus. Those are the biggest things you missed in my book.
A detail I really liked when humans started yeeting nukes at ships with the Asgard teleporters, the Asgard crew member stationed onboard for technical support was really pissed.
Yep, the Asgard already knew how apocalyptic teleporting nukes could be, so they explicitly installed safeguards so that WOULDN’T happen. ….and so, of course, the humans asked them to please turn those safeguards off. xD “Your ass is on the line, too! :3 “
@@Alexander_KaleThe explaination was the asgard did not want humans to use their technology as a weapon. They feared humans would become just like the goa'uld of they did. An uplifted race given way more power than they could responsibly handle. This was also the reason the asgard gave us their knowledge at the end of unending but not give us their sizeable fleet of oneil class crusisers. Humanity had to earn the tech to teach them humilty for the power
@@drrohanjacob That explains why the blocks were in place, yes. It does NOT explain however why Hermiod was annoyed at them wanting to use the teleporter as a weapon in that situation. Arguably, Thor did exactly the same thing to Heru'Urs forces back on Cimmeria when he made his first appearance, using the teleporter as a weapon of war. That was what I meant with them not being squeamish about that sorta thing.
If I remember correctly, the original hyperdrive of the X-302 was using a reactor that used a spicier version of that spicy compound that found to spice up nukes. However, that spicier compound would become way more unstable the more power you tried to take out, so it made the hyperdrive unusable for long distance
The real cool thing that makes the BC-304 really special is that the US was able to build several in only a few years and they didn't just collapse when the engine turned on. I mean, even discounting building something that size where there is no infrastructure for it, government contractors are basically a meme of corruption and incompetence.
Russian ones are. US ones not so much, especially Skunkworks. What happens when you gather the most crazed, mad engineers across the US, throw em in a circus tent, and slap a cartoon skunk on it? The most badass things that ever flew, especially the Hopeless Diamond.
The greatest part of the Stargate universe is that it built everything up step by step. We see them acquire the tech and materials that will be used to ultimately build the 304. And they mostly fail along the way. It takes them a decade before they really get a working system developed.
Star Gate is different then other sci fi because other sci fi is set in the future and are trying to show “evolved humans” StarGate is set today and is just about regular human. This is what happens if the U.S. today gets a space navy
The X-301 was basicly a Goa'uld glider with a "United States Airforce sticker slapped on it" they just recovered 2 damaged gliders and slapped them together with a little retrofitting. They switch to the X-302 because the gliders were programed to fly back to Anubis and almost killed O'Neal and Teal'c. I know this is just a summary so not hate lol
You did not just malign the 303. That thing was a beautiful box of death and I loved it. You can see the asgard influence in the pronounced bow, the tall multideck configuration speaks to the naval concepts that were the only big ship engineering we had, and the utter lack of anything resembling aerodynamics was a perfect nod to its intended operating environment. Also from just a storytelling standpoint, StarGate was at its best when it was turning alien tech and pointing it back at the bad guys. Prometheus was excellent at that kind of scavenger/inventor mentality, just barely working and standing toe to toe with the bad guys despite it. Daedalus worked for Atlantis, which was more about the logistics of tech you couldn't easily replace, fuel, or power, but Odyssey was a big step backwards for SG1, when the show was already jumping sharks thanks to the ori.
Last time I watched a video on this. It was by sacred cow shipyards. He hated it in fact, he seemed to have hated the very idea of the air force having control of it
@@travisbishop782 He hated everything about it. The fact that it was a successful design before the refit was completely ignored. He tried to pin all of its good bits purely on the asgard
You said it dude, the rail guns were designed for point defence. The hope was the Asgard would provide them with energy beam weapons which they wouldn't until the end when they were dying off. After they got the plasma beam weapons the BC-304's became real beasts.
@@Alexander_Kale Pretty good military transport, bomber and shuttle all in one. And 16 scouts with air support potential for the ground troops on top. ;-)
@@Traumglanz True, but none of that you need a ship for. For small reconnossaince missions, you can use the stargate. even for delivering ordnance and air support, you can use the stargate, they do it once or twice. The BC series was specifically designed and built to combat Goa'uld Motherships in space, they just enver had the armament to achieve that. I think they even mention developing their own plasma cannons every now and again, that project just never went anywhere fast enough.
The Ha'taks drive me insane. The model has 3 sides, but the internal maps have 4. The worst example is the ship that kidnapped Thor. There is a lot of footage of both the ship and people navigating by maps of the ship across 2 different seasons. It must be a inside joke at this point. My personal favorite Goa'uld ship is Apophis' technically unnamed flagship that should be called the Throne of Damnation. It is a crime it only appears in three episodes. It does something that even the Asgard have trouble with. Killing a replicator ship. After tanking a super nova. As Raging Canadian would say, "I tank the Sun with my face, for my face is my shield!“
A correction regarding the 302 hyperdrive. The prototype X-302 had a hyperdrive, the smallest built in universe at the time. It failed in testing because it could not be aimed accurately. This was later used to fly off with a planet-destroying explosive because desperation stakes and also "not here" is better than "here" no matter where "not here" turned out to be. The hyperdrive was scrapped until the technical issues could be dealt with; this never happened. A later X-302 was equipped for a strike mission where another hyperdrive was used to penetrate the shields of a large craft to set up a trench run that didn't even bother pretending it wasn't ripping off Star Wars. This was a specific use case. The production F-302 model had no hyperdrive. The technology didn't work as intended, and the limited functionality it did have wasn't worth the cost in naqadria (not naqadah) to make them.
A bit sad you didnt mention the shield asgard gave to BC-304. By far one of the most advanced shield that can tank Coronal Mass Ejection with ZPM. The shield is so good that it only limitation is the power it get from the ship, same for the intergalactic hyperdrive as Asgard ship can go to the Pegasus galaxy in 4 days.
As quickly violent as SGC escalated...There is a rather hilarious Fanfiction crossover with XCOM. They nicely complement each other and has one of the funniest scenes ever involving spoilers I won't spoil except for complete blue screens on multiple diplomats as they realize shit going down.
The ZPM powered Daedalus class with Asgard shields and weapons reduced the Gould from premiere, imminent threat, to annoyance. 😆 20:28 Daedalus used nuclear enema. It was effective. Also, that reminds me of that meme that shows weapons from four different scifi shows. The first three are handheld blasters, and SG1's is a block of C4. 😂
32:26 I keep remembering the episode of Atlantis where they find out that the Pegasus replicators (who are mimicking the Ancients) have four Ancient style warhips under construction. SGC immediately sends a BC-304 with a Horizon over and obliterate like a 3rd of the planet. The replicators do retaliate with a weapons satellite of their own, but that preemptive strike was something.
We have to remember that this was inspired by the post cold-war Air Force, who had spent the last 4 decades on a "Get the Nukes Ready" footing, so when presented with an existential alien threat to their very existence, it's not really shocking how quickly and readily they started nuking everything they could.
The Milky Way galaxy is 105,700 light years from end to end. According to the math, the Daedalus could cross the entire length of our galaxy in just 17 hours. That's how freaking fast that thing is. That's about the time it takes to drive from Oklahoma City to Brownsville Texas.
They did use tranporter in Star trek to beam a Photon Torpedo on a Borg Ship, Voyager did that, in star trek most ship will have shields, and also Starfleet and the federation will mostly never want to use such tactic unless they have to, Starfleet will always try to disable an opponent first.
Janeway has been pointed out in Star Trek as somewhat as a war criminal and somewhat a maverick in her behavior in the delta quadrant and that includes that tactic in transporting a torp into a borg ship. Its true that Starfleet literally will always try to disable an opponent first especially before the Dominion War. SGI actually has this as a valid tactic which they will use if a opportunity presents itself. Honestly SGI literally created a new book into the art of ship busting.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Janeway was the first captain to have to deal with such a situation, she stayed true to Starfleet and the federation as much as she could, under these circumstances not many would have done what she did, and we have the proof with the equinox
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Nonsense. There are plenty of situations where Starfleet Captains shot to kill. Beaming explosives into enemy ships simply is not an option in most cases. On one hand, because everyone has shields, transporters can be disrupted in a million ways - oh, and lets not forget, your OWN shields need to be down to do this - but also because the range is pitiful. Transporters only have a range of 40.000 km.
I like how you choose to pronounce Goa'uld the way half the heroes did anyway xD feels appropriate. Also on the topic of "you give people a teleporter and their first thought is going to be figuring out how to turn it into a weapon", you should read a webnovel called Deathworlders. Someone gives humans access to the technology used to generate wormholes, and humans go "but if we don't bother to stabilise the wormhole, we aren't as restricted in the distance we can target it accurately, so if we create a precisely targeted wormhole and fire a gatling gun through one side, we get a super-charged antimatter explosion exactly where we want it to be" and everyone else is like "wtf did they just do?" - kind of like the Asgard going "we're not crazy enough to build guns that throw pieces of metal at our enemies, we need your help!" with the Replicators in SG-1...
This is by far one of my favorite military starships. You can clearly see where they drew inspiration from modern naval vessels like missile submarines, guided missile cruisers, and aircraft carriers, which gives it a believable "modern" military feel while still looking like a cutting edge starship. The scale is larger than what you quoted in the video. The producers have said it's closer to about twice as long as a modern super-carrier. But it is sill dwarfed by the larger ships in the stetting, such as Wraith hive-ships and and Ori warships.
12:52 I do see the resemblance if you invert the Warbird 13:37 They produced the X-302 first as the prototype. The prototype did have the hyperdrive, but interstellar FTL never worked right and the best they could do was in-system 'short hops'. The production F-302 did not have the hyperdrive as standard kit, though presumably it could be fitted with one. 16:21 X-303 original config had the hyperdrive motivators on the outrigger nacelles. The hangar was that massive door like opening at the base of the bridge tower. It's later as the tech progressed and were miniaturised that the hangars were moved to the sides, though still a bit cramped.
The Daedalus class ... Earth's bootleg Asgard ship. I like that the Daedalus class uses Railguns (Because railguns are the best Sci-Fact bullet thrower), but I did not like that the Railguns were kinda hard nerfed. The lore said that the muzzle velocity was around 2 KM/s (6560 FPS, 1.24 Miles a second, Mach 6), and if the muzzle is to be believed, the caliber is around 20mm. That data makes sense for keeping the rails intact but, for the setting the muzzle velocity is SLOW. I am going to do some pointless number crunching. Lets say the 20mm railgun round's performance is 1800 grains @ 6560 FPS. That would mean for comparable conventional round with a muzzle velocity of around 1 KM/S (3280 FPS, 0.62 Miles a second, Mach 3), the projectile weight would be around 7200 grains, OR for real world comparison, the 30mm round used in the GAU-8. The Stargate Railguns are great for point defense, and unshielded fighter screening. "Exothermic reaction" The scientific explanation for heat, fire, and/or Explosion. They got Explosion as a sponsor. EDIT: Considering the damage the railguns do on target, and that they have similar kinetic energy to a 30mm cannon round (According to my calculations). It was my head cannon that they developed a naquadah enhanced explosive compound and used it in making AP-HE railgun darts.
There is a reason why none of the ships ever went up against an actual Goa'uld ship before getting plasma beams: Because they would have lost. If your shields can shrug off Super-Nukes, rail guns, nerfed or not, are not gonna cut it.
@@Alexander_Kale The Daedalus Class went up against plenty of Goa'uld ships before the plasma beam weapons. The problem is once the shields go up most ships were immune to the Daedalus weapons. The Daedalus worked best against un-shielded ships. This bit of information was known to SGC, and they avoided direct conflict as much as possible until they had an effective means to deplete shields. For the longest the Al'kesh was the limit of what the Daedalus could handle.
@@johnsmithfakename8422 Plenty? Like what? Off the top of my head I cannot remember a single engagement of a daedalus class actually shooting railguns at a Ha'tak. I certainly cannot remember a single instance of a Daedalus DAMAGING a ha'tak. And yeah, Daedalus being useless against anything larger than an Al'Kesh was kinda my point....
6:30 they dont "like to pretend that they are divine entities" silly... the series basically suggests our ancestors in Egypt mistook the goauld for divine entities... in other words: the divine entities we know are derived FROM them.
Also Colorado Springs has a park near downtown with a giant split-ring structure (originally a fountain too) with the right profile for a gate if it was less helical. Also there are obelisks at the entrance. (America The Beautiful park if you want to look it up)
The BC-304 Deadalus class battle cruiser is my favorite sci fi ship of all time. It just looks incredible. A purpose built warship that not only looked menacing but was able to back it up too. So many great scenes where it was one BC-304 going up against entire fleets of alien ships and either completely wiping the floor with them or casually destroying half the enemy fleet and then jumping away as their shields got mildly low due to the ENTIRE enemy fleet pounding them and the deadalus is just like "I just blew up 8 of your ships, Im out, later nerds. LOL" Even the shields were insane. Even without a ZPM they could face tank several direct hits from the main beam weapon of an Ori mothership before going down. They were the only ship that could do that. THEN they get the plasma beams and it was just GGs. Youre absolutely right. A fleet of BC-304s with Plasma beams and ZPMs equipped absolutely bodies just about any sci fi fleet from nearly any sci fi universe. They are monstrously powerful.
"Um, Actually" There are Stargate in space the Pegasus Gates as well as supergate also they are very rarely under mountains normally in some field somewhere or a clearing in a forest there was one on the central vent of a dormant super volcano there was one inside a pyramid on Abydos it is very rare but sometimes put on ships (spaceships and boats) edit Stargate are also commonly found in quarries normally followed up by a firefight
In the case of the Earth stargate, it was dug up in Egypt in the early 20th century and then, once scientists figured what it was, it was moved to Cheyenne Mountain. It was placed there in the event unwanted guests came through the stargate, they could be bottled up inside the mountain and dealt with. In addition, the stargate was equipped with a metal shield that prevents passage through the gate if the gate was activated from the non-Earth side unexpectedly.
@@zyoninkiroand then there was the Antartic "beta" gate found deep under the south pole which was the original Earth Stargate. I still think the smartest thing the SGC ever did was the iris, simple and effective no Jaffa ever knew what they hit.
This was funny, but I feel like you owe Steve an apology as Atlantis introduced us to the spacegate, and you kept showing that frame from the show of the Daedalus flying past an active spacegate. So he was 100% right, they did have gates in space. What's more, they even used spacegates on SG-1 and the Ori had the massive supergate to transport whole ships full of troops. It was the primary reason on Atlantis for them to have and use the puddle jumpers, and was even used on a few occasions on Universe.
Can't beat a series that include a transportation device that includes both a rotary dial and touch tone system the best of both technologies with MacGyver
I never understood why they didn't add the Large staff cannons from the Ha'tak class to the Prometheus or the Daedalus. Even if it had been, we literally took it from a captured Ha'tak and weld it to the side of the ship and ran a cable to the reactor to power it. It would have looked awesome like Battleship Cannons similar to the main gun on the Destiny.
Reverse enginnered kull warrior wrist mounted repeaters as heavy repeater cannons, have the Asgard enhance the magnetic bottle for greater distance and you have a close in weapon which could harass larger ships with ease.
Think the requirements to use large staff cannons might not have been feasible. Or firepower was to excessive or unnecessary. Anyway given they had Asgard tech being installed, likely didn't have a reason to install outdated tech.
They did try. That's the weapon that Felger was showing off in Avenger. We couldn't make it work reliably. Before we really got the chance to perfect it, we got the ABW. Which were way more powerful than any Goa'uld weapons. Plus we can't just cut them off of the ships we're blowing up and weld them to the 303 and 304. Everytime we got a Goa'uld ship we blew it up shortly afterwards. That approach also relies on us salvaging them. As opposed to the weapons we do give them which we design and build 100% on Earth.
I know they did it for story purposes but Stargate command could have just asked the Asgard for help in dealing with the Pegasus replicators. Quick drop by. Beam up all their ZPMs. Planetary anti replicator weapon goes burr. And now the Azgurad and SGC have access to the most valuable planet in the pegasus galaxy. Of Course that would have made the Wraith a non threat but hey. The hand of the writer was rather visible at that point.
@@richardarriaga6271 No those. The other Replicators. The ones that the Ancients build. And that has no resistance to Anti replicator weapons until after the civilization buster had been used and the Replicators forced Atlantis to leave the planet.
I think they didn’t, mostly because the Asgard couldn’t. During the replicator arc in Atlantis I’m pretty sure the Asgard were either dead or about to die. At least, the good Asgard.
In the episode mccay argued to wait until they had finished the anti replicator satellite weapon that the sgc/area 51 was working on but they were over riden by the military and thats when the horizon was dropped on the replicator planet. Also i agree they should have tried to steal some zpm’s like todd did when killing the replicators but i think they didn’t because the plan was to blow them all to compress the replicators. But should have had a plan ready to grab so especially after the power grid was destroyed
18:32 there were 6 304s in service - Daedalus, Apollo (both served maily in Pegasus), Odyssey (considered as Earzh flagship, first to get new toys to fuck around with), George Hammond (formerly known as Phoenix, served as support ship for Ikarus base) - operated by US and then San Tzu operated by China (heavily cripled by ZPM powered wraith hiveship) with Korolev operated by Russia (destroyed by Ori warship). BC-304 is absolute peak sci-fi design and there is nothing I know that can top it. Who knows what wonderful new desings could we get if SG wasnt cancelled, lets all pray and hope things wont get fucked up now that Amazon own MGM and Stargate and new series is reportedly being developed.
On top of that, the Odyssey is packing the entire knowledge of the Asgard and a replicator (Star Trek style, not annoying metal bug), with ZPM power, that 20 day trip is more reliably measured in hours, while SGU references new generation hyperdrives that are, presumably, even better than what the 304 was originally packing... Presumably they eventually found a way to add Ancient drone weapons or made warheads out of ZPMs just to formally cement this things status as King of everything it could survey.
An interesting note on the star trek & teleporting bombs thing is that the old Star Trek game Dominion War had like special options where you could teleport bombs onto enemy vessels & if you were feeling real spicy bioweapons too. The only downside is star trek being star trek you couldn't teleport them onto an enemy vessel while it's shields were up.
I really love the attention to detail as well. When they show the cockpit of the F-302 there are control lights for LOX and LH2. That's the mix for rocket fuel - liquid oxidizer and liquid hydrogen. I found it so cool they thought of that.
The travel of the Daedalus is faster than your typical FTL because it's hyperspace so the travel isn't happening in normal space. A space window is opened, the Daedalus flies into it and they're literally travelling in another dimension outside of normal space. An artificial one (I think). I love what sets Stargate apart from other sci Fi shows.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the drones they had at the end of the series that just buzzed through shields and the only actual limit on them was ammo amount. More effective against ships less so against entire star systems.
And they're not human tech, they're Ancient (forerunner) tech. And they can't 3D-print new ones because they're weird part energy-jellyfish biomechanicals.
SG is one of my all time favorite ScFi series. I love it and I love the ships and tech in this show. 11:03 - I just watched this episode today in fact.
There's this now famous scene early on in Stargate's run that I think encapsulates the evolution of the tech of the people of Earth. When SG-1 was doing a weapons demonstration with the free Jaffa, they compared their staff weapons (a large staff that emitted light pulses as damage,) to P90 submachine gun. The staff weapon, claimed O'Neill, was a weapon of terror- meant to intimidate the enemy. The P90 was a weapon of war- meant to kill their enemy. Blow that up to scale and compare the ships like the BC-304 Daedalus vs nearly every other enemy ship and you see the same thing- the 304 is literally half the size of all the other ships, but it's that way because it eschews regal, ostentatious design flair for raw efficiency. The other thing that makes the 304s so damned cool is that, to borrow the quote from Spacedock, they're living museums and tributes to every inch humanity gained in it's years fighting. Nearly everything on the 304 can be traced back to a single episode where SG-1 discovered the tech or made an alliance with an alien race. It's the culmination of everything Stargate had been up to that point.
I am leaving this as an addendum to the video. I have been told that the dimensions i listed in the video are wrong. They are not, those are the officially given dimensions from the showrunners/producers/whatever. They were listed, to the best of my knowledge, in the extras from when SG-1 was released on DVD in that giant box they came in.
HOWEVER. The reason the scale not only changes but looks so weird is due to making it look good on screen. It’s extremely common to dramatically change the size of ships on screen to make action, setpieces or more look better. A great example of this is any WW2 movie in the pacific ever. If the scale was accurate, then carrier fleets would be so spread out you would barely be able to see the ships in the distance. So instead, they make them way bigger, and put them way closer to make the scenes look better compared to what it is in reality.
As far as I’m aware, the sizes given are lore accurate, that doesn't mean they were consistently followed in the series. If anyone does have concrete sources stating a different size then let me know and I’ll edit this comment to correct myself.
You made me want to watch Stargate
good thing I have it on disc!
The sizes of the hatak and alkesh seemed to especially prone to inconsistent scaling episode to episode
While i don't think it a big issue, because your video is great, I do agree that the dimensions are are off. That's just a observation comparing the 2 bridges section from the Ford and the 304, and assuming a relatively similar size of each deck to current navy ships. Even if the 304's bridge is only standing 2 decks high above the main body flat section, this implies it is bigger than the Ford in all 3 dimensions
OK to stop the madness EVERYONE can go watch trekyards video on the ships they had the official (used by the show) numbers and CGI model to work with. I am not watching 4 twenty minute videos to stop this argument. Last the producers themselves say they don't know where these numbers come from they were just there one day. Good job on the video haven't laughed so hard at nerd stuff in some time
The reason Cheyenne is pronounced that way is because it's named after the Cheyenne Tribe, if I recall correctly.
Stargate in a nutshell:
Season 1: “Holy shit! Snake people! Run!”
Season 5: “Look man, we don’t wanna kill you, we just wanna talk.”
Season 10: “What up fuckers! You talking mad shit for someone in nuking range!”
Atlantis: “I hear you like nukes, here, have five.”
It's scary how right you are...
Truth be told, they were pretty Nuke happy right from the start. In the very first episode, Hammond was ready to glass Abydos until O'Neil convinced him otherwise.
They just didn't have the delivery methods back then.
@@Alexander_KaleNaquadria boosted nuclear warheads: because nothing says get fuckded like giving The Sun steroids!
@@KillerOrca The good steroids too. Designer quality.
Lategame Atlantis: ZPM-powered superweapons for everybody!!!
Big enough Naquadriah-boosted nukes _still_ drain those shields.
Stargate Commands philosophy on escalation: "If at first you don't succeed, try a larger thermonuclear device." Just like granny Mitchell always said.
'Honestly you blow up one sun...'
Granny Michell sure knew how to cook.
@@scottburns2671 Or link up to one black hole ..
Sheridan alone in Babylon 5 beats SG command lmao
if at first you don't succeed, add a bit more Naquadah to the warhead.
You know its funny Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica ran concurrently back in the day and when the Big G jumped to Earth at the end i was convinced they would be surrounded by 304s with an anoyed O'niell asking them who the hell they were.
Now that would have been a hillarious and amazing season finale .. or time it with the finale of Atlantis .. Humans vs. Killer Robots vs. Space Vampires.
“Dammit, we just finished fighting a bunch of omnicidal human-form replicators!”
That actually happened in quite a few fanfiction stories.
so much better than the ending of BSG
that is OFFICALY the new cannon !!! i will have no debates
I was actually hoping that Earth would be a Multi Planet Human Race.... Moving towards Expanse territory, and the Galactica just infused Tech and Designs.... Belters V Toasters....
Stargate had the best portrayal of how humans would operate. Mining planets, giving technology to tribal people, experimental worlds we basically treat like the Bikini Atoll and strategic staging bases all over the galaxy… not because we’re going to go to war with the universe, but just in case we need to.
Its how the US would operate.
@origami83 😂 yeah because the rest of the world either would just try and 40k it or get immediately f-cked by the greater galaxy.
@@adarkwind4712 Iam not saying its good or bad but its literally americans in stargate acting like americans today. Not every nation / human will act the same way if they were to have a stargate.
@@origami83 I am saying if they were to act differently, they'd all be dead. Once Pandoras box is opened, it can't be closed. Once Apophis found out about earth again, that was it, and it has to be taken advantage of. You can't, as senator Kinsey wanted to, just bury it. So you have to use it to try and build yourself up before the barbarians arrive at the gate. Most of the early show was about exploration and gathering intel and tech but very often they would end up helping people with aid and supplies. Because they were stuck in a perpetual medieval time due to not being allowed to progress past a certain technological level. So they weren't just on the warpath. But to try and operate any other way or worse not operate at all would eventually lead to our own destruction.
@@adarkwind4712 i agree with you 100%, but still its just americans doing it. Not earth or humanity as a whole or humans in general.
Pretty much every other scifi has a united earth or humanity as a whole acting together. Only stargate has the usa presuming to act on behalf of earth, while hoarding all tech, discoveries and alliances for themselves.
Once they realized what they were up against the whole us military should have been involved, combined with every earth government and resource to battle the goauld.
But that didnt happen, only once they could reliably force every nation on earth to follow their directive (when they got their first spaceships) did they share the common threat.
One particularly memorable moment illustrating just how ridiculously outpaced humanity has most other races with the mean beams is when they get into a fight with the big bad of the show and have to figure out how NOT to destroy the enemy vessel until their people are rescued off of it. After that has been accomplished the captain orders in an almost bored tone: "please make that ship go away". One shot. Done.
i guess it would be "meme beams"?
@@MrUberbongo Nope, at that point I believe it was still Gatebusters.
@@EmrysMerlin8807I think this was near the end of Atlantis, they had the white plasma beams at the top of the tech tree.
what I love about Stargate is that you can track down every single tech to an episode when they acquired/stole/developed it. The tech continuity is so good, and you see the same thing turning up on one of their spaceship in the next season its just so satisfying. Also, they really tend to weaponize everything they can...when they realize that Naquadria is way too unstable to use it as a power source they go: "hmm unstable you say, lets use it to enhance the yield of our already cataclysmic nukes".
Its an amazing ship design, looks utilitarian and menacing, something humanity would build to serve as a warship. No fancy curves, and decoration, its sharp angles, and weapons. I never forget when I saw it for the first time in Atlantis S203 when she comes about and start engaging the Wraith. What an introduction to a hero ship.
I also really appreciated that finally they didnt just used main characters to crew their ship ( shoutout to Col. Pendergast who died on the Prometheus tho ) like they often did with Prometheus, but this class had their own crew except the tactical officer guy who was seemingly both served on the Daedalus and the Odyssey. Another shoutout to the girl who was handling maneuvering and her only line in the show was MAX THRUST! :)
An amazing ship enjoyed every second of screentime it got.
also their knowledge of stargates, at the start they barely know how to dial home, by the end they can rewire it efforlessly
as for tech, there is also just seing that somthing exist and just macguyver their version of it
what's amazing about stargate, is how much of the science, and technology has become real world.
They probably just rotated the crews around as the crew roosters grew bigger with each new ship (it's a shame they never showed us the assembly line of the F-302 and the dockyards of the BC-304s)
The pyramids were built as landing pads, not part of the ship itself.
Accuacy is important in xenohistory.
Because that's totally not even stupider than them being part of the ship. You are 100% correct though.
The real stupid part is something else entirely. Ha'taks are pyramids with a triangular base. The pyramids of giza meanwhile have a square base. As have pretty much all other pyramids ever build on earth.
You would not be able to land one of those on ANY large pyramid ever constructed by ancient humans.
IIRC, it was a goof by the art department that no one noticed until it was too late.
@@Alexander_Kale Exactly, but I believe the original movie showed this happening more accurately. Not with Ha'taks, but a Cheops class, which has a square base
@@iycephoenixx4249 Yes. Ra's pimp ride was a four sided pyramid. The goof happened when they made the the series.
We do see Ha'taks land once or twice, but never on pyramids iirc.
The Daedalus' pet Asgard was very reluctant to allow the beaming tech to be used as a weapons deployment method, until he was convinced by lots of wraith shooting at the ship he is on. They only managed to beam nukes into wraith ships a few times before the wraith figured out what was going on and jammed their beaming (which kinda implies they dealt with that sort of thing before). There was later a cooperative effort to circumvent the jamming but it went tits up and the wraith betrayed them, because of course it did.
The wraiths indeed did deal with beamed weapons before because they had fought the ancients (who sank Atlantis and promptly assnded into Q-like beings).
@@LionlordEbonfire I don't think the ancients ever invented Asgard style beaming, it's always needed the rings or an enclosed area like the ones in atlantis. The Ori are an offshoot of the ancients and they use deployable ring platforms.
They may have run into the rogue Asgard who had no compunctions about beaming bombs over, so they developed a jamming signal and managed to destroy all their high tech Asgard ships and that's why they have the less advanced ones.
@@andrewbutton2039 we never saw a fully functional, powered and crewed ancient ship at war trying everything (I think there was one flash back). But when they were fighting the Wraith (according to Atlantis lore) they tried everything but were massively outnumbered only sinking Atlantis as a final measure. It seems reasonable that they would try things like that. Also the replicators that tried to replicate Ancient tech (I remember they were made to fight the Wraith and that worked out poorly) and likely they could have done the same.
@@LionlordEbonfire maybe, but it seems like a very specifically tailored counter. I don't discount the possibility the ancients invented, or perhaps recreated, an Asgard style transporter, but I feel the rogue Asgard are maybe a more reasonable explanation.
You're both forgetting the Vanir.
There _were_ Asgard living in Pegasus when the Wraith first emerged.
There were only a few, so they got mobbed and reduced to stealth and scavenging, but before being defeated, I'm sure the Vanir pulled that trick a few times.
The spicey phaser beams being so powerful actually does make sense. The Asgard were on par with the Ancients who build the stargates before they ascended, their tech has continued to advance all that time. Even up until the replicators and genetic engineering mistakes cause their end.
There's also the XSGCM explaination:
Nukes and plasma broadsides batter down shields.
Plasma beams pierce shields.
See also: the Golden F-U Beam on Ori Toiletships.
The Asgard did admit once that the Ancients were actually even more advanced than they ever were. Also, I like to think that the Ancients ascended the Asgard just before their planet exploded. I know they don't usually do that sort of thing but they were close allies at one point and that's the sort of favor you'd do for a friend even if they weren't expecting it.
The Asgard were nowhere close to the level of the Ancients. The Ancients were to the Asgard what the Asgard were to humans.
@@Kalenz1234 Wrong. Asgard have point-to-point teleporters, stronger shields than the Ancients ever had, antimatter reactors sufficiently efficient to outcompete ZPMs, and the Plasma Beam.
The argument between who has better tech between the Ancients and Asgard is kind of silly. The areas of tech they specialize in are vastly different. Like comparing planes to submarines. Both advanced theory and engineering are required, but in different areas.
I think my favorite part about the 303-304 progression is the fact that you can distinctly see a "lessons learned" approach. All the design cues are still there, they just look more refined, more mature, and better-implemented. You've still got the forward section with a bit of a chin, the hangar pods, the carrier-like command bridge, and even the top plate hull design is present on the 303, just in an odd position and not nearly as large.
It'll fly even faster with a ZPM boosting the engines. I think it was Earth to Atlantis in 4 days during "The Siege" arc.
Think it was 4 weeks instead of like 2 months or something a lot closer to 4 days if they had Asgard hyperdrives
@@JustPlainRex As standard the BC-304 traveled at 1.9 lightyears per second, with a ZPM it goes up to 4 or more and that is still slower than Asgard ships like the Beliskner and O'Neill class.
@@Predator42IDThey should be more than fast enough to catch up to the destiny in just a few weeks as fast as they can go. I think it literally takes them minutes to travel between galaxies.
@@DeathBYDesign666 the destiny is extremely far away they have been moving for a very long time get wouldn’t catch up even if they could find it
@@JustPlainRex It still takes it like a year or longer to travel between galaxies while Asgard ships take minutes to travel the same distance. That is more than just a little faster that is millions of times faster in actuality. Therefore a couple million years travel is reduced to just months, it's pretty simple math actually.
Slight correction regarding the hyperdrive the F302 had they never could get them to work at any significant range, but they could make very short jumps, which they used to jump inside an enemy ships shields and open fire.
To my knowledge, they abandoned the hyper drive idea completely once they got their space carrieres working. 302s are NEVER seen operating across interstellar distances.
@@Alexander_Kale Oh that's true, but just like with the "They have teleporters and nukes, so what do they do of course?" the whole point of the f302 Hyperdrive is that while it's intended goal of jumping interstellar distance proved unfeasible, they were able to take advantage of the hyperdrive's ability to sort of teleport first to get rid of an overloading stargate before it exploded at planet breaking intensity, and then to bypass the shields on a super mothership after realizing there was enough of a gap between the shield and the hull to gate a fighter in there to attack.
It's got some parallels to the earlier trick where they handled a planet busting asteroid by modifying an alien ships hyperdrive to jump through the earth instead of impacting, or in Atlantis where when the ancient ship's engines were unfixable, they instead juiced the shields to facilitate using the super volcano eruption to hyperjump to orbit.
naquadria being an artificialy created variant of naquada that is FLAWED and expodentialy unstable
because the nunbers said it was so much more powerfull than naquada it allowed for smaller hyperdrives ones that could be on "fighter jets" ...
but on the test they discovered that it had that instability flaw which didn't allow for more than intra system "short" jumps
@@BrendanKOD I LOVE Stargate for that consistency. They learn you can jump a wormhole in Solitudes then use it to save Earth in A Matter of Time and to block the Supergate in Pegasus Project.
As a last ditch hail mary, they ride an asteroid through Earth. Then later use that knowledge to attack Anubis's Super Mothership.
Carter uncovers the Autodial tech in the Kahlek DHD and then she and McKay use that to make the Intergalactic Gate Bridge.
Everything has a path you can follow.
Man I enjoy Stargate so much. And the ships here are just literally such obviously flying tanks they have to have had some military input for them
They had a lot of real life military involvement to the point some people think it’s a soft reveal of real life info. In the wormhole extreme episode the person signed the documents on SG1 to allow the fake “wormhole extreme” show Was really the actual person who would be signing that in real life. Tons of stuff like that in the show
21:03 the BC-304 is actually 650 meters long, 367 meters wide and 131 meters high. The 200-225 meters long, 90-95 meters wide, and 70-75 meters high are wrong because not even ONE f-302 fighter can fit in one of the BC-304’s hangars.
The Magazine that put out those number had little to no connection with anyone on the show's production team and just made up the numbers.
The bigger measurements were also confirmed by the show runners themselves who ran 'Stargate Now'.
I had a feeling those dimensions given were wrong, just comparing the bridge from the current day carrier to the 304, the is no way the Ford is bigger than the 304.
The f-302 is an especially shit example to use because in "canon" the 302 has a wider wingspan than a boeing 747, yet we see in an episode where a gate is attached to the bottom of an f-302 that the stargate is a little less than half as long as an f-302 is. The scale of that fighter is beyond wrong even at a glance. It's closer to the size of an f-35 if you scale based on the pilot.
I'm willing to accept that the dimensions for the daedalus are wrong. But I refuse to scale them based off the 302, it's just too ridiculous.
USS Enterprise (CV-6) was roughly 250m long. and could carries about 90 aircrafts. Though WW2 fighters were much smaller than F-302s, but given there were only 8-16 F-302s onboard the Daedalus. I think they should fit fine (I think the 302 could fold its wing?).
I liked the Prometheus, as a stepping stone to the Daedalus it was perfect.
Yes, it was the ship you design as part of working out the best way to design a ship!
The ugliness is part of the charm! 😉
My biggest problem with the Prometheus is that it never actually DID anything. It got stolen twice, got lost in space, tried to Ram Anubis but aborted, then got blown up.
@@Alexander_Kale on my most recent rewatch, the thing that bugged me the most was that it's blown up in Ethon then instantly replaced the next episode in Off The Grid. It would have had so much more impact if we'd been practically defenceless for a few weeks at least before the Odyssey was brought online.
"Prometheus" was the most apt name ever. The Air Force was acutely aware of how ancient myths connected humanity to rest of the galaxy by that point.
I feel like when you look at the ha'tak class vs. the BC-303 and 304 it's like, here is the Ha'Tak it's a ship of intimidation, it's designed to scare it's enemies... and then there is the 303 and 304 i.e. these are ships of war, they are designed to kick butt
That's exactly it, Goa'uld weaponry is theatre, for playing out their own internal struggle, from the staff weapons right up to the motherships, the System Lords were all quite content to play the same game, forever, till you had the Tau'ri, Anubis and Baal turn up and upset things...
That is not remotely descriptive of reality. Ha'taks are effectively the Arley Burke equivalent of the Goa'uld. You need a lot of them, you have a limited budget, and you need them to be able to do a lot of different things, from fleet engagements to orbital bombardments to troop transport to escort duty to occasional freighter duty. So you build Ha'taks.
And keep in mind, before the BC 304 got their Asgard Beams? they would have been fricking USELESS against a Ha'tak. Here you have a ship that is armed with multiple turrets firing blasts equivalent to nuclear bombs, protected by something that can shrug of nuclear blasts.
The 304 had Railguns. Cool. What is that going to do against a shield that can shrug of super charged Naquadah-Nukes? What are your missiles gonna do against something that is fast enough it can run rings around your missiles until their reaction based rocket motors run out of fuel?
Ha'taks will never run out of ammunition, because their weapons are energy based. As long as it has reaction mass, it can fight. Their engines are not rocket motors, so they can go full blast in WHATEVER direction they choose, unlike the Daedalus, which would have to turn around. They have powerful guns that can rapid fire. Their shields are absurdly strong. A single one can glass a planet in days, and the only reason it takes so long is because planets are huge. It takes only TWO people to operate these things in a combat situation, make that ONE if you really have to, and a CHILD could learn do it in shord order.
Also, if Anubis or the Replicators get their hands on Ha'taks, they can upgrade them, like, ten times better. Because they're copied Precursor tech and the Precursors's gimmick was 'lasts forever' so Goa'uld tech also lasts forever, Warhammer-style.
Kinda like when Oneill compared the Staff to the P90. "This is a weapon of Fear and Intimidation. This is a weapon of war."
@@memnarch129 Well, yeah, he could not very well say the truth. That being, "we want you to buy our inferior weapons that require ammunition you cannot make so you are dependent on us and can never ever rebel against us."
The staff is effectively a grenade launcher that never runs out of ammo. In the first season it could tear down meter thick stone walls and regularly exploded trees. A single hit of this thing means you go down with either a lost limb or a fatal torso wound.
Did i also mention how they never ever run out of ammo? Or break? Or require maintenance?
Mount a laser pointer or a reflex sight on a staff and voila. Best infantry weapon in the setting.
Stargate SG1 was basically the X-COM game in live action. :D
The 301 backfired on SG command hilariously, when the owner of said fighter activated the returnhome device on it and the fighter literally started flying out of the Solar system.
It activated on its own on a time-delay when it was powered on.
@@JoshSweetvale And it turns out it was only installed after Teal'c had turned traitor was the biggest kick!
The reason why Star Trek doesn't use teleporters as weapons is that (most) factions can't bypass shields with teleporters. In the Kobiyashi Maru book, Scotty basically does this to get him one of the highest, if not the highest, kill count of Klingon cruisers during the exercise. He had done a research paper about how Klingons like their formation's shields together and how torpedoes precisely placed could theoretically, but not in practice, destroy the entire formation. As it was a simulation thought, it actually worked.
Add to this, that ships in Star Trek rely on shields for defense. By and large, the ships is completely vulnerable as soon as the shields are down.
Also because the Trek writers are actually unimaginative when it comes to tech. Thus why replicators are never used to mass produce drone fighters weapons for a ship crew. (And yes trekkies, they CAN both examples have been done with food replicators, and in principle replicators are nothing more than teleporters taking "raw material" and reshaping it into something "usable", and that material is energy and a Star Trek ship thanks to the dark matter scoops while at warp speed have effectively unlimited power)
@@codyraugh6599Deep Space 9 fixed all of this.
They had a Replicator drone minefield, and the lockdown protocol on the Space German station (long story) created tiny little phaser turrets in the Replicators and then fed them from the power grid.
And then there's the Defiant class. A picket frigate designed *for war.* A tiny brick with about the same firepower as the _Enterprise,_ *a cloak,* and _armor plating._
Crap warp range, zero amenities, but they produced several a year, and they could actually fight better than the big saucer multirole leviathans.
@@JoshSweetvale ah yes Deep Space 9, where a industrial Replicator was being fought over, because it was being used to produce shovels and backhoes... Not a years supply but replacing damaged ones...
@@codyraugh6599 People gonna stupid.
Janeway transported a photon torpedo aboard a Borg probe and destroyed it in the episode Dark Frontier
"Hive ships are easily ten times the size of the Daedalus" theres a scene in SGA, in season 2 i believe, where the team comes up with the idea of hiding the daedalus in the fat folds of a "friendly" hiveship because the hiveship is so gargantuan that no one on the outside would notice them hiding inside.
The Daedalus always seemed like a response to DS9's Defiant. I love those low-profile battleships.
The Defiant isn't really a battleship though. Its more of a destroyer with weapons way more powerful than a destroy should have.
Although now that I've just looked up the sizes of each ship the Defiant isn't actually that much smaller than the Daedalus. I guess it just goes to show that the Daedalus is actually pretty small and the Defiant feels notably smaller because its in the mix with tons of other Starfleet capital ships that are all quite a bit bigger.
4:33 For non-Americans, the name comes from a Native American tribe that was merged from two tribes in Great Plains region of the present-day US.
Stargate SG-1 is one of my favorite shows in all of television and part of why I love it is the aggression and tenacity of the SGC.
Gotta love the Stargate lore - Daedalus and her sister ships were beauts of sci-fi ship design.
The best thing about them that you could track down every single piece of tech to the episode they acquired/developed/stole them. The tech continuity is fantastic in Stargate.
@@neutchain7838 yeah they did a great job at back engineering and working it into the storylines. Dont think we've seen a show do that before or since as well as they did.
@@The_Zilli Stargate was pretty unique in that regard, they started out with nothing like literally nothing. They went out and stole everything that fit through the gate lol. It was funny that they even adressed this in the show with some of the NID storylines.
@@neutchain7838 yeah they had such a natural progression of everything, which made it great and why we all dont want a reboot. Its literally like watching someone build a house brick by brick, even more so than Star Trek or Star Wars franchise and then coming in and saying we're going to blow it up and start anew. no other show did what they did... man do i miss SG1 still...
@@The_Zilli Loved that show I still rewatching it evwry now and then. I thought Atlantis was amazing too, more space battles and finally real aliens the Wraith lore was really cool. I liked the darker tone of Universe too, interesting characters and a beautiful soundtrack. Shame they cut short Atlantis for it only to cancel it for seasons later.
There is an episode in Star Trek Voyager, where they came upon a Borg scout ship and transported a photon torpedo into the scout ship. And yes, it did go. Boom.
I love how you explain the SGC's escalation policy. It's just like Habitual Linecrosser describes Canadians: either incredibly apologetic or walking genocide.
My all time favorite Sci fi ship.
I've always told friends this ship put in other Sci fi galaxies could change the tide of wars. Send a fleet of them and they can make the bad guys go away.
Like star trek the major threats to the Federation would learn fear real quick. Simply because the Daedalus would get to their home worlds before they had a chance to tell their fleets to guard the borders.
You ain't bullshitten!
It’s even funnier when you realize that the ship isn’t even max level because the show ended before they figured out how to manufacture ‘Ancient Drones’ than replace the non nuclear missiles with swarms of angry fireballs that don’t give a damn about shields and the rail guns with mini drone’s for bullets.
I wonder if it could 1vs1 the DeathStar ??? I would say YES - because it would not fight fair ^^
@@julonkrutor4649 Beam a few Gatebuster nukes inside. At bare minimum, it would be disabled. The Death Star will never get a hit on the 304 with its planet buster weapon...never. It's secondary weapons would only tickle its shields. But I'm guessing that you were being sarcastic.
@@johncee853 A few? More like all they have ... and they could not beam them to the really critical systems - because those are shielded ^^
Also, it was build to withstand a full scale attack of the imperial navey ... So tickle my be a bit underselling it.
I would say the 304 fights at range and dances with it for as long as it can ^^
The Deadelus aka we get all the good stuff. 20:03 Kirk used it several times. But Scotty won the prize of best weapon transported to another ship by beaming Tribbles into a Klingon ship on two occasions.
Tribbles the fleshy von newman critters that are so vast, so cute, so tasty, so incredibly Hilarious.
" Tell me Worf, do they still sing songs about the great Tribble hunt?" Odo.
Where they were no trible at all.
After that it was included into the Geneva Conventions and Scotty was no longer allowed to do that :)
STARGATE WOO!
The taur'ii ships are _so_ good. They just _feel_ like something the USA would make. Prometheus feels and sounds like a classic muscle car…in space…with GUNS.
5:52 "Alright, we're getting too complicated. Now, I don't say anything that has apostrophes in it."
Well, there's two apostrophes right there.
What's so hard about Goa'uld? GO - AH - OOLD! lol
Say what you will about how ugly the prometheus was, the battle of Antarctica is still in the best dogfight in TV history.
You are so right. And Hammond set the mound on the hard edged human ship commander all but one commander would follow. World building wise, it was perfect because this was the first ship. And it needed to look like that. If you looked at the first versions of the Kaga it is a mess. But then they learned and made a better ship. And considering it was put together to deal with the very real likely hood of extinction, it made sense.
you are a bit shy on a few points, but I can tell your trying. The 301 was mostly adapted Goa'auld tech, including the base frame and computer, unfortunately. It was only used once to leave earths atmosphere, and then it had a computer program ready to slow boat the test pilots(main characters of course) all the way to some lightyears away base planet, where the message basically said they will just house out the cockpit and prep it for continued service. This is why humanity is straight to nuke it on a threat. The Asgard tech is partially present on the Prometheus. Those are the biggest things you missed in my book.
A detail I really liked when humans started yeeting nukes at ships with the Asgard teleporters, the Asgard crew member stationed onboard for technical support was really pissed.
Good old hermiot
Yep, the Asgard already knew how apocalyptic teleporting nukes could be, so they explicitly installed safeguards so that WOULDN’T happen.
….and so, of course, the humans asked them to please turn those safeguards off. xD
“Your ass is on the line, too! :3 “
It's never explained why though. It's not like the Asgard were squeamish about that kinda thing.
@@Alexander_KaleThe explaination was the asgard did not want humans to use their technology as a weapon.
They feared humans would become just like the goa'uld of they did.
An uplifted race given way more power than they could responsibly handle.
This was also the reason the asgard gave us their knowledge at the end of unending but not give us their sizeable fleet of oneil class crusisers.
Humanity had to earn the tech to teach them humilty for the power
@@drrohanjacob That explains why the blocks were in place, yes. It does NOT explain however why Hermiod was annoyed at them wanting to use the teleporter as a weapon in that situation.
Arguably, Thor did exactly the same thing to Heru'Urs forces back on Cimmeria when he made his first appearance, using the teleporter as a weapon of war.
That was what I meant with them not being squeamish about that sorta thing.
If I remember correctly, the original hyperdrive of the X-302 was using a reactor that used a spicier version of that spicy compound that found to spice up nukes. However, that spicier compound would become way more unstable the more power you tried to take out, so it made the hyperdrive unusable for long distance
The real cool thing that makes the BC-304 really special is that the US was able to build several in only a few years and they didn't just collapse when the engine turned on. I mean, even discounting building something that size where there is no infrastructure for it, government contractors are basically a meme of corruption and incompetence.
Russian ones are. US ones not so much, especially Skunkworks. What happens when you gather the most crazed, mad engineers across the US, throw em in a circus tent, and slap a cartoon skunk on it? The most badass things that ever flew, especially the Hopeless Diamond.
Are you familiar with "ARV's"? Not all science is fiction.
With enough cocaine, Skunkworks could probably build one of these irl. I'm only half joking.
I like to image SGC's high violence acceleration stat mostly comes from O'Neilll and all the fine men and woman he inspired
The greatest part of the Stargate universe is that it built everything up step by step. We see them acquire the tech and materials that will be used to ultimately build the 304. And they mostly fail along the way. It takes them a decade before they really get a working system developed.
Star Gate is different then other sci fi because other sci fi is set in the future and are trying to show “evolved humans” StarGate is set today and is just about regular human. This is what happens if the U.S. today gets a space navy
The X-301 was basicly a Goa'uld glider with a "United States Airforce sticker slapped on it" they just recovered 2 damaged gliders and slapped them together with a little retrofitting. They switch to the X-302 because the gliders were programed to fly back to Anubis and almost killed O'Neal and Teal'c.
I know this is just a summary so not hate lol
Correction Apohis, Anubis was not a part just yet
@Groza_Dallocort Oh yeah I always mix them up lol
You did not just malign the 303. That thing was a beautiful box of death and I loved it. You can see the asgard influence in the pronounced bow, the tall multideck configuration speaks to the naval concepts that were the only big ship engineering we had, and the utter lack of anything resembling aerodynamics was a perfect nod to its intended operating environment.
Also from just a storytelling standpoint, StarGate was at its best when it was turning alien tech and pointing it back at the bad guys. Prometheus was excellent at that kind of scavenger/inventor mentality, just barely working and standing toe to toe with the bad guys despite it. Daedalus worked for Atlantis, which was more about the logistics of tech you couldn't easily replace, fuel, or power, but Odyssey was a big step backwards for SG1, when the show was already jumping sharks thanks to the ori.
The Ori seasons have big 'expansion pack' vibes.
New units, new faction, new units for existing factions!
Last time I watched a video on this. It was by sacred cow shipyards. He hated it in fact, he seemed to have hated the very idea of the air force having control of it
He did bring up some good points on why he didn't like it, plus he used to be in the Navy.
@@travisbishop782 He hated everything about it. The fact that it was a successful design before the refit was completely ignored. He tried to pin all of its good bits purely on the asgard
Suggest to him that the Marines got control and just watch his reaction.
@@spartanx9293 To be fair, the Asgard did make it actually useful against more than the snakes.
@@chrisdufresne9359 It was serviceable against the wraith
Your narration style is off the hook!! I laughed and cried at the same time. Love it.
You said it dude, the rail guns were designed for point defence. The hope was the Asgard would provide them with energy beam weapons which they wouldn't until the end when they were dying off. After they got the plasma beam weapons the BC-304's became real beasts.
True, but you could have mounted the plasma beams on ANYTHING to the same effect. The 304s were basically useless before they got plasma beams...
@@Alexander_Kale Pretty good military transport, bomber and shuttle all in one. And 16 scouts with air support potential for the ground troops on top. ;-)
@@Traumglanz True, but none of that you need a ship for. For small reconnossaince missions, you can use the stargate. even for delivering ordnance and air support, you can use the stargate, they do it once or twice.
The BC series was specifically designed and built to combat Goa'uld Motherships in space, they just enver had the armament to achieve that.
I think they even mention developing their own plasma cannons every now and again, that project just never went anywhere fast enough.
The Ha'taks drive me insane. The model has 3 sides, but the internal maps have 4. The worst example is the ship that kidnapped Thor. There is a lot of footage of both the ship and people navigating by maps of the ship across 2 different seasons. It must be a inside joke at this point.
My personal favorite Goa'uld ship is Apophis' technically unnamed flagship that should be called the Throne of Damnation. It is a crime it only appears in three episodes. It does something that even the Asgard have trouble with. Killing a replicator ship. After tanking a super nova. As Raging Canadian would say, "I tank the Sun with my face, for my face is my shield!“
A correction regarding the 302 hyperdrive.
The prototype X-302 had a hyperdrive, the smallest built in universe at the time. It failed in testing because it could not be aimed accurately. This was later used to fly off with a planet-destroying explosive because desperation stakes and also "not here" is better than "here" no matter where "not here" turned out to be. The hyperdrive was scrapped until the technical issues could be dealt with; this never happened.
A later X-302 was equipped for a strike mission where another hyperdrive was used to penetrate the shields of a large craft to set up a trench run that didn't even bother pretending it wasn't ripping off Star Wars. This was a specific use case.
The production F-302 model had no hyperdrive. The technology didn't work as intended, and the limited functionality it did have wasn't worth the cost in naqadria (not naqadah) to make them.
A bit sad you didnt mention the shield asgard gave to BC-304. By far one of the most advanced shield that can tank Coronal Mass Ejection with ZPM. The shield is so good that it only limitation is the power it get from the ship, same for the intergalactic hyperdrive as Asgard ship can go to the Pegasus galaxy in 4 days.
As quickly violent as SGC escalated...There is a rather hilarious Fanfiction crossover with XCOM.
They nicely complement each other and has one of the funniest scenes ever involving spoilers I won't spoil except for complete blue screens on multiple diplomats as they realize shit going down.
Elizabeth Weir is horrified at Russel Sharp's approval. ^_^
Yep! That was great.@@JoshSweetvale
He is actually partly right about it being in space, because sometimes it is.
Referring to the Stargates...
Mostly in the Pegasus galaxy, also the "McCay Carter" whatever bridge thing. And super gates. And to hijack super gates
Not in space..
Atlantis:Uhmm
My favorite of the "star" franchises.
Of all the sci-fi, Stargate is my all-time favorite!
The ZPM powered Daedalus class with Asgard shields and weapons reduced the Gould from premiere, imminent threat, to annoyance. 😆
20:28 Daedalus used nuclear enema. It was effective.
Also, that reminds me of that meme that shows weapons from four different scifi shows. The first three are handheld blasters, and SG1's is a block of C4. 😂
32:26 I keep remembering the episode of Atlantis where they find out that the Pegasus replicators (who are mimicking the Ancients) have four Ancient style warhips under construction. SGC immediately sends a BC-304 with a Horizon over and obliterate like a 3rd of the planet. The replicators do retaliate with a weapons satellite of their own, but that preemptive strike was something.
We have to remember that this was inspired by the post cold-war Air Force, who had spent the last 4 decades on a "Get the Nukes Ready" footing, so when presented with an existential alien threat to their very existence, it's not really shocking how quickly and readily they started nuking everything they could.
The Milky Way galaxy is 105,700 light years from end to end. According to the math, the Daedalus could cross the entire length of our galaxy in just 17 hours. That's how freaking fast that thing is. That's about the time it takes to drive from Oklahoma City to Brownsville Texas.
The Prometheus...ready if they ever did a Lego version of Stargate.
Fuck Lego, BlueBrixx will release one soon with Stargate Licence.
They did use tranporter in Star trek to beam a Photon Torpedo on a Borg Ship, Voyager did that, in star trek most ship will have shields, and also Starfleet and the federation will mostly never want to use such tactic unless they have to, Starfleet will always try to disable an opponent first.
Janeway has been pointed out in Star Trek as somewhat as a war criminal and somewhat a maverick in her behavior in the delta quadrant and that includes that tactic in transporting a torp into a borg ship. Its true that Starfleet literally will always try to disable an opponent first especially before the Dominion War.
SGI actually has this as a valid tactic which they will use if a opportunity presents itself. Honestly SGI literally created a new book into the art of ship busting.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Janeway was the first captain to have to deal with such a situation, she stayed true to Starfleet and the federation as much as she could, under these circumstances not many would have done what she did, and we have the proof with the equinox
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Nonsense. There are plenty of situations where Starfleet Captains shot to kill. Beaming explosives into enemy ships simply is not an option in most cases. On one hand, because everyone has shields, transporters can be disrupted in a million ways - oh, and lets not forget, your OWN shields need to be down to do this - but also because the range is pitiful. Transporters only have a range of 40.000 km.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Perry Rhodan did the whole teleport anti-matter bombs or even just nukes into enemy ships already in the early 60s.
I like how you choose to pronounce Goa'uld the way half the heroes did anyway xD feels appropriate.
Also on the topic of "you give people a teleporter and their first thought is going to be figuring out how to turn it into a weapon", you should read a webnovel called Deathworlders. Someone gives humans access to the technology used to generate wormholes, and humans go "but if we don't bother to stabilise the wormhole, we aren't as restricted in the distance we can target it accurately, so if we create a precisely targeted wormhole and fire a gatling gun through one side, we get a super-charged antimatter explosion exactly where we want it to be" and everyone else is like "wtf did they just do?" - kind of like the Asgard going "we're not crazy enough to build guns that throw pieces of metal at our enemies, we need your help!" with the Replicators in SG-1...
Not dumb* enough ;D
But yes, gotta love how the Asgard came to us to use our superpower of “throw rock fast!” xD
This is by far one of my favorite military starships. You can clearly see where they drew inspiration from modern naval vessels like missile submarines, guided missile cruisers, and aircraft carriers, which gives it a believable "modern" military feel while still looking like a cutting edge starship.
The scale is larger than what you quoted in the video. The producers have said it's closer to about twice as long as a modern super-carrier. But it is sill dwarfed by the larger ships in the stetting, such as Wraith hive-ships and and Ori warships.
SG-1 practices the doctrine of Strategic Transfer of Equipment to Alternate Locations, or STEALing
Quack bang, out!
Damn, someone beat me to it
The real stargate was hidden in the cheese caves all along...
Ahhh my favorite ship in Sci-fi!!! And the one I love using in crossover the most!!! What??? Would you blame me?!!
Stargate will forever be my favorite sci-fi show
Daedalus class break down by the Templin Institute bar none the best breakdown of the ship.
@@Predator42ID checked it out during my break, indeed it was.
@@Predator42ID indeed
12:52 I do see the resemblance if you invert the Warbird
13:37 They produced the X-302 first as the prototype. The prototype did have the hyperdrive, but interstellar FTL never worked right and the best they could do was in-system 'short hops'. The production F-302 did not have the hyperdrive as standard kit, though presumably it could be fitted with one.
16:21 X-303 original config had the hyperdrive motivators on the outrigger nacelles. The hangar was that massive door like opening at the base of the bridge tower. It's later as the tech progressed and were miniaturised that the hangars were moved to the sides, though still a bit cramped.
The Daedalus class ... Earth's bootleg Asgard ship.
I like that the Daedalus class uses Railguns (Because railguns are the best Sci-Fact bullet thrower), but I did not like that the Railguns were kinda hard nerfed. The lore said that the muzzle velocity was around 2 KM/s (6560 FPS, 1.24 Miles a second, Mach 6), and if the muzzle is to be believed, the caliber is around 20mm. That data makes sense for keeping the rails intact but, for the setting the muzzle velocity is SLOW.
I am going to do some pointless number crunching. Lets say the 20mm railgun round's performance is 1800 grains @ 6560 FPS. That would mean for comparable conventional round with a muzzle velocity of around 1 KM/S (3280 FPS, 0.62 Miles a second, Mach 3), the projectile weight would be around 7200 grains, OR for real world comparison, the 30mm round used in the GAU-8.
The Stargate Railguns are great for point defense, and unshielded fighter screening.
"Exothermic reaction" The scientific explanation for heat, fire, and/or Explosion. They got Explosion as a sponsor.
EDIT:
Considering the damage the railguns do on target, and that they have similar kinetic energy to a 30mm cannon round (According to my calculations). It was my head cannon that they developed a naquadah enhanced explosive compound and used it in making AP-HE railgun darts.
There is a reason why none of the ships ever went up against an actual Goa'uld ship before getting plasma beams: Because they would have lost.
If your shields can shrug off Super-Nukes, rail guns, nerfed or not, are not gonna cut it.
@@Alexander_Kale
The Daedalus Class went up against plenty of Goa'uld ships before the plasma beam weapons. The problem is once the shields go up most ships were immune to the Daedalus weapons. The Daedalus worked best against un-shielded ships. This bit of information was known to SGC, and they avoided direct conflict as much as possible until they had an effective means to deplete shields. For the longest the Al'kesh was the limit of what the Daedalus could handle.
@@johnsmithfakename8422 Plenty? Like what? Off the top of my head I cannot remember a single engagement of a daedalus class actually shooting railguns at a Ha'tak.
I certainly cannot remember a single instance of a Daedalus DAMAGING a ha'tak.
And yeah, Daedalus being useless against anything larger than an Al'Kesh was kinda my point....
6:30 they dont "like to pretend that they are divine entities" silly... the series basically suggests our ancestors in Egypt mistook the goauld for divine entities... in other words: the divine entities we know are derived FROM them.
Also Colorado Springs has a park near downtown with a giant split-ring structure (originally a fountain too) with the right profile for a gate if it was less helical. Also there are obelisks at the entrance.
(America The Beautiful park if you want to look it up)
The BC-304 Deadalus class battle cruiser is my favorite sci fi ship of all time. It just looks incredible. A purpose built warship that not only looked menacing but was able to back it up too.
So many great scenes where it was one BC-304 going up against entire fleets of alien ships and either completely wiping the floor with them or casually destroying half the enemy fleet and then jumping away as their shields got mildly low due to the ENTIRE enemy fleet pounding them and the deadalus is just like "I just blew up 8 of your ships, Im out, later nerds. LOL"
Even the shields were insane. Even without a ZPM they could face tank several direct hits from the main beam weapon of an Ori mothership before going down. They were the only ship that could do that.
THEN they get the plasma beams and it was just GGs. Youre absolutely right. A fleet of BC-304s with Plasma beams and ZPMs equipped absolutely bodies just about any sci fi fleet from nearly any sci fi universe. They are monstrously powerful.
"Um, Actually" There are Stargate in space the Pegasus Gates as well as supergate also they are very rarely under mountains normally in some field somewhere or a clearing in a forest there was one on the central vent of a dormant super volcano there was one inside a pyramid on Abydos it is very rare but sometimes put on ships (spaceships and boats)
edit Stargate are also commonly found in quarries normally followed up by a firefight
In the case of the Earth stargate, it was dug up in Egypt in the early 20th century and then, once scientists figured what it was, it was moved to Cheyenne Mountain. It was placed there in the event unwanted guests came through the stargate, they could be bottled up inside the mountain and dealt with. In addition, the stargate was equipped with a metal shield that prevents passage through the gate if the gate was activated from the non-Earth side unexpectedly.
@@zyoninkiroand then there was the Antartic "beta" gate found deep under the south pole which was the original Earth Stargate. I still think the smartest thing the SGC ever did was the iris, simple and effective no Jaffa ever knew what they hit.
This was funny, but I feel like you owe Steve an apology as Atlantis introduced us to the spacegate, and you kept showing that frame from the show of the Daedalus flying past an active spacegate. So he was 100% right, they did have gates in space. What's more, they even used spacegates on SG-1 and the Ori had the massive supergate to transport whole ships full of troops. It was the primary reason on Atlantis for them to have and use the puddle jumpers, and was even used on a few occasions on Universe.
Can't beat a series that include a transportation device that includes both a rotary dial and touch tone system the best of both technologies with MacGyver
Nice Battletech Mercenary reference at 9:14, Cranston Snord's Irregulars. I haven't seen that book in years.
I never understood why they didn't add the Large staff cannons from the Ha'tak class to the Prometheus or the Daedalus.
Even if it had been, we literally took it from a captured Ha'tak and weld it to the side of the ship and ran a cable to the reactor to power it.
It would have looked awesome like Battleship Cannons similar to the main gun on the Destiny.
Me too! Or why not put Death Glider staff cannons on the 302s?
Reverse enginnered kull warrior wrist mounted repeaters as heavy repeater cannons, have the Asgard enhance the magnetic bottle for greater distance and you have a close in weapon which could harass larger ships with ease.
Think the requirements to use large staff cannons might not have been feasible. Or firepower was to excessive or unnecessary. Anyway given they had Asgard tech being installed, likely didn't have a reason to install outdated tech.
They did try. That's the weapon that Felger was showing off in Avenger. We couldn't make it work reliably. Before we really got the chance to perfect it, we got the ABW. Which were way more powerful than any Goa'uld weapons.
Plus we can't just cut them off of the ships we're blowing up and weld them to the 303 and 304. Everytime we got a Goa'uld ship we blew it up shortly afterwards. That approach also relies on us salvaging them. As opposed to the weapons we do give them which we design and build 100% on Earth.
the Daedalus could make USS voyager's entire journey in ten hours.
I know they did it for story purposes but Stargate command could have just asked the Asgard for help in dealing with the Pegasus replicators.
Quick drop by. Beam up all their ZPMs. Planetary anti replicator weapon goes burr.
And now the Azgurad and SGC have access to the most valuable planet in the pegasus galaxy.
Of Course that would have made the Wraith a non threat but hey. The hand of the writer was rather visible at that point.
The Azgard were nearly exterminated by the Replicators. Their high technology attracted them and they were well-adapted to energy weapons.
@@richardarriaga6271 No those. The other Replicators. The ones that the Ancients build. And that has no resistance to Anti replicator weapons until after the civilization buster had been used and the Replicators forced Atlantis to leave the planet.
I think they didn’t, mostly because the Asgard couldn’t.
During the replicator arc in Atlantis I’m pretty sure the Asgard were either dead or about to die. At least, the good Asgard.
In the episode mccay argued to wait until they had finished the anti replicator satellite weapon that the sgc/area 51 was working on but they were over riden by the military and thats when the horizon was dropped on the replicator planet. Also i agree they should have tried to steal some zpm’s like todd did when killing the replicators but i think they didn’t because the plan was to blow them all to compress the replicators. But should have had a plan ready to grab so especially after the power grid was destroyed
18:32 there were 6 304s in service - Daedalus, Apollo (both served maily in Pegasus), Odyssey (considered as Earzh flagship, first to get new toys to fuck around with), George Hammond (formerly known as Phoenix, served as support ship for Ikarus base) - operated by US and then San Tzu operated by China (heavily cripled by ZPM powered wraith hiveship) with Korolev operated by Russia (destroyed by Ori warship). BC-304 is absolute peak sci-fi design and there is nothing I know that can top it. Who knows what wonderful new desings could we get if SG wasnt cancelled, lets all pray and hope things wont get fucked up now that Amazon own MGM and Stargate and new series is reportedly being developed.
The official wiki about the size is WRONG!
On top of that, the Odyssey is packing the entire knowledge of the Asgard and a replicator (Star Trek style, not annoying metal bug), with ZPM power, that 20 day trip is more reliably measured in hours, while SGU references new generation hyperdrives that are, presumably, even better than what the 304 was originally packing...
Presumably they eventually found a way to add Ancient drone weapons or made warheads out of ZPMs just to formally cement this things status as King of everything it could survey.
But it wouldnt be a movie if someone didnt use the star trek replicator to make a bug type replicator...
WHEN IN DOUBT C4
Ah, that quote bring back the Mythbusters days
STARGATE is immensely satisfying. The human progression is good story development. Good show.
WORMHOLE, not PORTAL, there is a scientific difference!!!!!
PUDDLE, LOL
This vid invoked so much nostalgia. Honestly great
stargate wooo theres dozens of us
At least half a dozen so far 😁😁
DOZENS!
Awesome video! thanks Sci!
Humanses the way they actually are 😅
SG-1 and Atlantis are some of my favorite shows, thank you for this
An interesting note on the star trek & teleporting bombs thing is that the old Star Trek game Dominion War had like special options where you could teleport bombs onto enemy vessels & if you were feeling real spicy bioweapons too. The only downside is star trek being star trek you couldn't teleport them onto an enemy vessel while it's shields were up.
SG-1 was one of my favorite shows growing up. The first laptop I owned had a Daedalus screensaver on it.
Stargate can be described as the e-4 mafia was given free reign to strategicly transfer equipment to alternate locations
And that's never a warcrime the first time. 😁
Would love to see a run-down on the Space Battleship Yamato. Its a true gunbrick.
I really love the attention to detail as well. When they show the cockpit of the F-302 there are control lights for LOX and LH2. That's the mix for rocket fuel - liquid oxidizer and liquid hydrogen. I found it so cool they thought of that.
loved the look and the SOUND of this class of ship.
gotta say, the YT brought this video on my feed, good sound, based statements, FTL soundtrack. fastest sub I ever gave...
I like the Prometheus design, actually, precisely because it looks so awkward and bad. It’s the perfect “prototype/proof of concept” starship
It's awesome to see someone talked about Stargate. Such an underappreciated franchise. So based.
The travel of the Daedalus is faster than your typical FTL because it's hyperspace so the travel isn't happening in normal space. A space window is opened, the Daedalus flies into it and they're literally travelling in another dimension outside of normal space. An artificial one (I think). I love what sets Stargate apart from other sci Fi shows.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the drones they had at the end of the series that just buzzed through shields and the only actual limit on them was ammo amount. More effective against ships less so against entire star systems.
The 304's were not equipped with ancient drones.
And they're not human tech, they're Ancient (forerunner) tech. And they can't 3D-print new ones because they're weird part energy-jellyfish biomechanicals.
15:30 i remember showing my best friend a picture of the Prometheus and he literally said "why does Earth have the shittiest looking ship ever?"
SG is one of my all time favorite ScFi series. I love it and I love the ships and tech in this show. 11:03 - I just watched this episode today in fact.
There's this now famous scene early on in Stargate's run that I think encapsulates the evolution of the tech of the people of Earth.
When SG-1 was doing a weapons demonstration with the free Jaffa, they compared their staff weapons (a large staff that emitted light pulses as damage,) to P90 submachine gun. The staff weapon, claimed O'Neill, was a weapon of terror- meant to intimidate the enemy. The P90 was a weapon of war- meant to kill their enemy.
Blow that up to scale and compare the ships like the BC-304 Daedalus vs nearly every other enemy ship and you see the same thing- the 304 is literally half the size of all the other ships, but it's that way because it eschews regal, ostentatious design flair for raw efficiency.
The other thing that makes the 304s so damned cool is that, to borrow the quote from Spacedock, they're living museums and tributes to every inch humanity gained in it's years fighting. Nearly everything on the 304 can be traced back to a single episode where SG-1 discovered the tech or made an alliance with an alien race. It's the culmination of everything Stargate had been up to that point.