I've always been obsessed with the drum sounds on that record (both for acoustic drums and drum machines) . I'm surprised there's not more to it, that's some efficient engineering right there
Great work as always. There's a riot goin' on (what's goin' on?) is one of my favorite albums. What I'd really like to hear is your take on London Calling drums. Thank you!
Maybe you could do a video on how to get that classic Nigel Olson sound from the early Elton era or maybe the the drum sounds off Hold On by John Lennon
I think Billy Preston on keys with Sky and bobby Womack and Ike Turner played guitar on tracks but the sessions were so chaotic there are no proper info as to what tracks
Sly was whacked out on all kinds during the making of this LP and kept overdubbing things so all his tapes were worn out, giving it that extra muffled, blanket over the mics vibe. At the time many people didn't get the record, especially with his previous albums being so bright and upbeat, but as you allude, it was ahead of its time. Amazing record. Great job, and the whole demo track really captured the vibe. ☮
This, friends, is where the rubber meets the road. All the gear in the world cannot make the sound of drummer who knows how to hit the damn things for the sounds you need to get, and has the FEEL required. And here, Jessica does a MASTERFUL job at playing this kit. Her time and feel are just lovely. This is why you want a girl on drums or bass, or both. They simply feel things differently from men. This is a great, great video.
Funny when you realize that where the rubber meets the road for this album is from a Drum Machine 😂 they absolutely have no idea what they’re talking about or how the drum’s where recorded, processed, mixed…etc
I've been experimenting a lot to get that sound. On a practical cheap setup for me it's jazz bass with labella flats, both pickups full on, into joyo american sound pedal, scoop mids (around 400hz), adjust saturation and treble to taste. Sounds very close, the hard part is the playing, tight and percussive but at the same time sloppy
Loads of overdubbing and thus tape wear due to Sly being a little (verrrrry) high and constantly messing around with stuff. It's worth your time reading about the making of the album :)
I found that Pultec low freq attenuation starts way too high, usually 400 hz and even higher. Usually I want to attenuate 250 hz - 380 hz which most Pultecs can't do.
They could have recorded the drums and the bass on the same track at first but the balance was not good or things were missing so they did a second pass to enhnance the part with doubling the kick+snare and fills. Who knows what those guys were thinking ? :)
Read up about the making of the album. Sly was in some pretty advanced altered states while making it. He was overdubbing loads of stuff, sometimes unnecessarily. But it made it what it is.
Also, in the 70s, where a lot people were trying to get everything sounding as dry as possible, doing separate takes for individual drums was not unusual. Disco was one of the main culprits. Makes sense you think about it and how those records sounded. Sometimes you can find stems online and hear maybe kick and snare being played together one track and then hats and overs in separate ones. It's not rare. Must be a strange experience for the drummer. Most of the examples I'm aware of are fairly steady and simple beats. Perfect for driving dance music.
Great track choice and great drums sound! But the tape warble is unrealistic and distracting, it actually takes away from an "authentic" sound rather than establish it, using wobbly sounds is such a modern aesthetic.
Yeah they’ve got the wow and flutter on their cassette plugin turned WAY up, and it’s only noticeable as a flanging effect on the crash cymbal. It sounds kinda cool, but yeah I instantly thought “oh yeah there’s that cassette plugin...”
Used, makes sense. SM57 is $60-80 usually, and an RE20 is a little over $300 from what I’ve seen (at least here in the US!). My biggest problem has been trying to find a used RE20 in a local shop
@@fakesdeath wow really. Here in the uk a used re20 is maybe £350 if you’re lucky, and a 57 new is about £110. You can buy used ones but I wouldn’t chance it as we have so many fakes about.
Listen to the record, it's layered, although the drum machine is a bit louder on the record. You can tell by the way the snare flams and the obvious sound of snare wires.
But they didn’t “record two drum parts” the way that you are demonstrating. They dubbed over the drum machine so no, this is not how they recorded the drums, the attack of instruments are because of the drum machine….not two live drum tracks….didn’t ya’ll do you’re research before over complicating something that didn’t actually happen? You gotta be kidding yourselves if you think your demonstration even compares or comes close to the original mix 😂
I love this record, I swear nobody talks about it anymore. Thanks for making this!
Dude for real this was one of the most important records of my adolescence
I've always been obsessed with the drum sounds on that record (both for acoustic drums and drum machines) . I'm surprised there's not more to it, that's some efficient engineering right there
Honestly shocked to see anybody even talking about this record let alone breaking down the drum sounds! Amazing.
Probably my favorite drum sound yall have recreated, sounds absolutely phenomenal
I'm pretty sure one of drum sounds on that song is the Maestro drum machine and the drummer is playing along to it
Sounds like tape distortion, not watched yet though😅
Which tbf is probably how a drum machine sounds
Bingo. Like most of the tracks on there.
Yup, also pretty much if not every drum sound has the drum machine in it…idk where they pulled this bullshit from…might as well be click bait?
This is so cool!!!! Possibly my favorite album of all time. You nailed it!
Going into such detail about mic placement is soooooo helpful, details often overlooked on RUclips
Details overlooked is exactly what they did. This demonstration is in no way accurate or even close to the technique used in the original recording
another weird one i’d love to see yall try is the super crunchy drums on “The Glow Pt. 2” by The Microphones
Diagonals by Stereolab would be an interesting creative challenge to tackle! Plus it's a super fun groove to play 🥁
You sure they didn't just use the Rhythm King drum machine as the reinforcement for kick and snare? That was all over Sly's albums back then.
Was wondering this too!
This video is just click bait lol. Nothing accurate here at all
You never hear about the pultec HIGH end trick! But now I feel like I’m hearing it all the time on 60s drums. Amazing intel!
Great work as always. There's a riot goin' on (what's goin' on?) is one of my favorite albums. What I'd really like to hear is your take on London Calling drums. Thank you!
always been obsessed with the sound of that song and record. Love!
Wow !!!! Yes yes yes
LOVE this snare sound
Maybe you could do a video on how to get that classic Nigel Olson sound from the early Elton era or maybe the the drum sounds off Hold On by John Lennon
How about some drums from the first Ramones album? That’s gotta be another good low cost setup.
Would love to see one on Herbie Hancock- Headhunters or Thrust. Mike Clark's drums on Thrust sound so so good.
I can see Sly Stone sitting on the studio couch w/his violin case smiling and giving the engineer a nod of approval back then 😁
didn't Sly play every instrument on every track of this masterpiece?
I think Billy Preston on keys with Sky and bobby Womack and Ike Turner played guitar on tracks but the sessions were so chaotic there are no proper info as to what tracks
You're speaking my language. I love this album so so so much.
Thank you!
these videos are so god damb cool
Sly was whacked out on all kinds during the making of this LP and kept overdubbing things so all his tapes were worn out, giving it that extra muffled, blanket over the mics vibe. At the time many people didn't get the record, especially with his previous albums being so bright and upbeat, but as you allude, it was ahead of its time. Amazing record. Great job, and the whole demo track really captured the vibe. ☮
Classic album
Do Talk Talk - New Grass !!
This, friends, is where the rubber meets the road. All the gear in the world cannot make the sound of drummer who knows how to hit the damn things for the sounds you need to get, and has the FEEL required. And here, Jessica does a MASTERFUL job at playing this kit. Her time and feel are just lovely. This is why you want a girl on drums or bass, or both. They simply feel things differently from men. This is a great, great video.
Funny when you realize that where the rubber meets the road for this album is from a Drum Machine 😂 they absolutely have no idea what they’re talking about or how the drum’s where recorded, processed, mixed…etc
this record is amazing!!! thank you!
Someone there should do a breakdown on the bass sounds on that album now.
I've been experimenting a lot to get that sound. On a practical cheap setup for me it's jazz bass with labella flats, both pickups full on, into joyo american sound pedal, scoop mids (around 400hz), adjust saturation and treble to taste. Sounds very close, the hard part is the playing, tight and percussive but at the same time sloppy
Also it sounds like sly played most of the tracks with a pick I believe, it's evident on family affair
Amazing! Will you recreate the drum sound of “since i’ve been loving you”?
love this sound
Let’s hear you recreate some Neil Peart sounds… Tom Sawyer please!
ur the best thanks
Brilliant recreation! Now I just need somebody to show me how to recreate Rusty Allen's bass sound on 'In Time'....
Best one yet!
There's such a sludgey/grimey sorta low end to this album. Pretty sure that's thanks to the Flickenger N32 console
Loads of overdubbing and thus tape wear due to Sly being a little (verrrrry) high and constantly messing around with stuff. It's worth your time reading about the making of the album :)
We need a video dedicated to Noam's sweatpants.
Could you do a video on the drum sound for Roundabout by Yes from the album Fragile?
I found that Pultec low freq attenuation starts way too high, usually 400 hz and even higher. Usually I want to attenuate 250 hz - 380 hz which most Pultecs can't do.
can you do mountain "sittin on a rainbow?
😍
Please do Damaged Goofs by Gang of Four. 😭😭😭
2 passes is the weirdest thing ive ever heard. So they double tracked the drums ?
They could have recorded the drums and the bass on the same track at first but the balance was not good or things were missing so they did a second pass to enhnance the part with doubling the kick+snare and fills. Who knows what those guys were thinking ? :)
Read up about the making of the album. Sly was in some pretty advanced altered states while making it. He was overdubbing loads of stuff, sometimes unnecessarily. But it made it what it is.
@@rarianfields I thought about that too :)
Also, in the 70s, where a lot people were trying to get everything sounding as dry as possible, doing separate takes for individual drums was not unusual. Disco was one of the main culprits. Makes sense you think about it and how those records sounded. Sometimes you can find stems online and hear maybe kick and snare being played together one track and then hats and overs in separate ones. It's not rare. Must be a strange experience for the drummer. Most of the examples I'm aware of are fairly steady and simple beats. Perfect for driving dance music.
Great track choice and great drums sound! But the tape warble is unrealistic and distracting, it actually takes away from an "authentic" sound rather than establish it, using wobbly sounds is such a modern aesthetic.
Yeah they’ve got the wow and flutter on their cassette plugin turned WAY up, and it’s only noticeable as a flanging effect on the crash cymbal. It sounds kinda cool, but yeah I instantly thought “oh yeah there’s that cassette plugin...”
@@godofspacetime333 and for the most part cassettes never really sound like that, but plugins do 😅
Re20 and 57 for $400? Nooo
Used, makes sense. SM57 is $60-80 usually, and an RE20 is a little over $300 from what I’ve seen (at least here in the US!). My biggest problem has been trying to find a used RE20 in a local shop
@@fakesdeath wow really. Here in the uk a used re20 is maybe £350 if you’re lucky, and a 57 new is about £110. You can buy used ones but I wouldn’t chance it as we have so many fakes about.
Tell a lie, i just checked and re20 used are about £425-450! We have problems over here…
@@DanielS10291 that’s crazy! Hold out for a deal and I’m sure you’ll find one. Scored an MD441 for $200 a few weeks back
@@DanielS10291 as for fake 57s, that’s a big problem here too. There are a few giveaways to easily spot em though!
It wasnt drummed by greg! This song was a drum machine but i love the tone you guys got for recreating it live
Listen to the record, it's layered, although the drum machine is a bit louder on the record. You can tell by the way the snare flams and the obvious sound of snare wires.
It’s called drugs. Sly was out of his mind. It’s him on drums not Greg Errico.
But they didn’t “record two drum parts” the way that you are demonstrating. They dubbed over the drum machine so no, this is not how they recorded the drums, the attack of instruments are because of the drum machine….not two live drum tracks….didn’t ya’ll do you’re research before over complicating something that didn’t actually happen? You gotta be kidding yourselves if you think your demonstration even compares or comes close to the original mix 😂