It seems like everyone is doing this form factor now. Boss discontinued the GT-1000 Core at the wrong time because the Ampero, HX Stomp and now the M-Vave Black Box are making compact multi effects modelers without expression pedals.
Exactly! This stomp box format helps to fit it to the board easier! I would easily keep it only for Preamp+IR on the end of my signal chain.... for example! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
@@aaronkaaimarino maybe I heard an untrue rumor? I love my Boss pedals. The Boss corner of my pedal board has the most unique tones of all. I have a loop from an Electro Harmonix Tri Parallel mixer going to a Boss SY-1, then a noise gate and an SL-2 Slicer followed by a GT-1 for further manipulation (harmonizer, slow gear, tera echo, overtone, feedbacker, vibrato). The only huge omission from the GT-1 is the space echo but I can use another loop from the Tri Parallel and use the space echo setting on the Line 6 HX Stomp. The last loop is just a conventional guitar signal chain i.e. compression, dirt pedals, amp/cab sims, Wampler Terraform, Boss DD-8 and RV-6.
@@Lexus-Poxus here to me appears the blackbox 20 dollars more expensive still. So I will need to wait a little bit more to buy it... probably when Aliexpress will be in sale!
You can buy both for under $200 USD. That's what I'll likely do. Keep the one I like more or run them both. Do we know if this black box is BT midi capable like the Tank G? Having both on one board with a couple of M-Vave Chocolates would be pretty cool.
I had been waiting to buy the Tank G. A week later the blackbox came out. But thats okay, I'll just have to buy the blackbox later. I'd been thinking about making something very similar to this for a couple of years, for personal use only. It was compiling/writing all of the code that held me up. But M-vave beat me to it, they must have been reading my mind. Lol
Does the IR loader have an EQ option in the app? I’m looking at the IR box because it has a parametric EQ option in the CubeSuite app, but if this can do IR loading plus a bunch more for a little more money. That’s be great. But, I’ve found fine-tuning IR’s with a good parametric EQ to be a game changer.
It is not that detailed like the IR-BOX mate! I know really well what you mean. In this case, better to pair it with the IR Box, even because you would have the Balanced Output as a plus! The BLACKBOX runs via the M-EFCS, so no graphic EQ like the Cube Suit! Hope it helps! Cheers! 🎛️🔥
Love the form factor, the amp processor is gonna be the game changer with the tech to model Your own gear. I owned the cube baby and really hated it, but it was all I could afford at the time! All these preamps are stock?
Yes!! I have recently released a video with Custom Captures and combining with pedals! Check out in the channel list! The native preamps are good, but you need to equalize them a little to balance the brightness and thicken the sound! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
I really wish they would do a midi controller with a screen and more features than the Chocolate. I have that one, and its build great, just a pain to program. Edit: It can be battery powered? Thats a plus.
Hola! gran review!! se puede usar conectado a un contrlador midi para cambiar de presets o parámetros dentro de un preset?, como el joyo pxl por ejemplo... Saludos!
Yes! You can do it using the Chocolate Midi or the Chocolate plus. Here there is a video showing how: ruclips.net/video/CglyTLLPnHI/видео.htmlsi=jupttde0VG0aeqAf
+ for ampero mini is that it's touch screen with more fx.... + for blackbox is that it's powered by built-in rechargable battery ... does black box have audio interface? ampero mini does...
thanks for the nice Overview for the Blackbox ! very interesting little device! Iam searching some new Effect devices for my Synthesizer Jams.. so no Guitars for me XD I have the M-wave Mini Universe & The M wave Elemental Delay on my list or instead maybe The Blackbox ..? at the Maximum for my budged iam Thinking about the Hotone Ampero mini.. is there a big difference from the Quality of the EFX`s ? the Price is more than double... Would be nice if someone have some nice inputs for me. Thanks 🙂
Hey mate! So... the Ambiences of the Blackbox are not exactly the same as the Mini U and the Elemental, but they have some of them. Suggest you to check my review of the Mini U and Elemental to understand if there is any other algorithm that you would miss. But I could tell you that having the possibility to use presets makes the Blackbox as a good alternative for the two pedals stacked. Compared to the Ampero, they are in different league. The Modulations of the Ampero Mini are much better. It is a stereo equipment. It has more features of Effects on top of noise gate, compressor and Boost... so it is difficult to compare. But on the budget league, I believe the Blackbox is a pretty good product! I hope it helps! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs Hey Man,Thanks for your quick response! I watched your Videos of them already 🙂 Ok, i see i have more Algorithm options with the Standalone padles. To have no presets seems at the moment not a big miss for me. In a Jam situation, i always will play a bit with the settings. The multi EFX what i use atm, is the Zoom MS70-CDR, and the G1Four. Iam shure you know them aswell. For me the are more or less ok, but they are getting slowly really aged, and i want an upgrade, in terms of effect quality. What dou you think, will the Ampero mini also be in a diffenrent league (compared to the zoom`s - mainly for the Reverbs and Delays wich i use the most time) ?? then, i think my solution will be, to get the Ampero Mini as my main, or the better "High Quality Multi EFX" device, and the M wave Mini U and Elemental as "fun Toys" ---> (many Synths need many different Effects 🙂). Or do you have maybe a different recommendation in the 200 euro range.. ? Thanks again Appreciate your Help
Hi, greetings from Italy. 🙂 Is there a possibility of modifying the chain? Do I have the possibility to bring the IRs to the top? I'm thinking, for example, of use with an inexpensive acoustic guitar: I bring the IRs to the top to have the IR of a Martin and then apply modulation effects such as reverb and chorus.
Yes! The full signal path is editable in Slots! And it allows you to load 20 IRs! So for acoustic it will help you a lot! The mods are not that amazing... but works for chorus in low speed and Tremolo... for example... Auguri mio amico! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs Amazing. I was considering buying the Zoom A1 Four, but this one costs half as much (which doesn't hurt). 😁 It is also true that it does not have a looper and drum, but I would not have used them. On the IR no problem, I have mine on Martin, Taylor and Gibson. I will look at a couple more reviews, but I really think I have found my next pedalboard.
@@warp09it is a budget gear! So of course you can't expect it to be strong and reliable like a zoom or a Boss unit, but I've been using M-VAVE stuff for 3 years now and they all work just perfect! For 85 bucks, it is worth the try! 🙌🏻
Unfortunately no! M-VAVE will release a new version of Midi Controller which iw compatible with it! But for now we will need to survive with only two footswitches! :( 🎛️🔥
Even though it's cheap and good, if you're not lucky enough, it can be a loss. A friend of mine bought a Cube Baby just about a month ago, and suddenly the unit died. The company refused to refund or replace it. they'll not take responsibility. Knowing this, I listed my Tank G for sale, and it sold 😊. Some may say it's cheap, but it's still money. What's cheap for you might not be for someone who doesn't earn as much as you.
It is a fact that all chinese products do not have warranty at all, so the low prices are actually funded by this "lack of responsibility". But anyway, the cube baby has a chronical issue of simply stopping. Both Tank G and Blackbox still have no history of problems like that, the same as the other pedals and the chocolate midi controller. Anyway, we need to see how they will behave in the long run! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
@@sublikeheroes4656 i bought cubebaby 4 years ago, after 2 years it died, found out battery was bloated they freakin use Lipo battery, but i am greatful it works again after replacing it..
For sure! You just need to shut down the preamp and IR session, or load an acoustic Preamp capture with an acoustic guitar IR! Suggest also to edit the signal chain placing the IR as first in chain! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
It depends on the quality of transfer of the capture. Some colleagues at RUclips reduced a lot the hiss noise by transferring the captures via SyncoAnn, instead of using the M-EFCS! The custom captures are more silent also! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
Hey mate! I didn't notice any latency issues... but it has a miliseconds gap when changing presets! Take this into consideration. It doesn't pop, but instantly cuts the sound for some miliseconds! I hope it helps! 🎛️🔥
@@AndreChrisyudhait is a pitty! I agree! I asked them to send me with the Chocolate and they replied me this info. But soon the new midi controller should be out! And improved!!
How the h*** do you charge it? All I got was a usb to c cable. “It can charge with the 5v adapter or the power bank. When the battery run low, you can use the 5v 2A adapter”. There is no adapter. Wtf
😂 I'm a big fan of mvave, but I think the ampero mini is slightly better (i have one). I'll probably get this one too. The tank g w/captures is a great value too.
@@EdBendertwo different leagues of products! But the Blackbox has potential for solving 90% of the issues of many guitar players who need only the basics! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs yep, I agree. Seems like a great product. Mvave has been upping their game. The batery power is a really nice feature for practice and casual jamming too.
Great review! I'm more of a pedal person but this made me rethink my priorities. Will get one soon!
Join the multieffects side of the force!! 🔥
I literally just built a pedalboard a few weeks ago but the convenience of a mfx is just chefs kiss
Very good, but some amps sounded with a lot of midrange and tightness. But it's easy to solve this with equalizer. 😊
Exactly! I didn't play with the EQ or Cabs, but it is tweak-able! 🎛️🔥
It seems like everyone is doing this form factor now. Boss discontinued the GT-1000 Core at the wrong time because the Ampero, HX Stomp and now the M-Vave Black Box are making compact multi effects modelers without expression pedals.
Exactly! This stomp box format helps to fit it to the board easier! I would easily keep it only for Preamp+IR on the end of my signal chain.... for example! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
@onlyusernameleft2 Good news. GT-1000Core is still an active product and still available. No plans to discontinue anytime soon. 👍
@@aaronkaaimarino maybe I heard an untrue rumor? I love my Boss pedals. The Boss corner of my pedal board has the most unique tones of all. I have a loop from an Electro Harmonix Tri Parallel mixer going to a Boss SY-1, then a noise gate and an SL-2 Slicer followed by a GT-1 for further manipulation (harmonizer, slow gear, tera echo, overtone, feedbacker, vibrato). The only huge omission from the GT-1 is the space echo but I can use another loop from the Tri Parallel and use the space echo setting on the Line 6 HX Stomp. The last loop is just a conventional guitar signal chain i.e. compression, dirt pedals, amp/cab sims, Wampler Terraform, Boss DD-8 and RV-6.
Right!
Thanks so much for this great review and demo! I’m getting one!
Thanks for your support mate! Cheers! 🎛️🔥
Best demo reviews not much drama 🙌
Thanks a lot mate!!! 🎛️🔥
Cool review! Great job friend! 🍾👏🏻
Thanks mate! 🎛️🔥
Wooooow!!! already out??? JUST BOUGHT THE TANK G AND HERE WE GO AGAIN! 😂😂😂
You can always sell it! 🎛️🔥
Especially ironic since both tank-g and black box are about the same price now😅
@@Lexus-Poxus here to me appears the blackbox 20 dollars more expensive still. So I will need to wait a little bit more to buy it... probably when Aliexpress will be in sale!
@@BioHazardBHZ AliExpress already has it
You can buy both for under $200 USD. That's what I'll likely do. Keep the one I like more or run them both. Do we know if this black box is BT midi capable like the Tank G? Having both on one board with a couple of M-Vave Chocolates would be pretty cool.
I had been waiting to buy the Tank G. A week later the blackbox came out. But thats okay, I'll just have to buy the blackbox later. I'd been thinking about making something very similar to this for a couple of years, for personal use only. It was compiling/writing all of the code that held me up. But M-vave beat me to it, they must have been reading my mind. Lol
hahahaha! They did it mate! Now, you can enjoy it at least for an affordable price! Cheers!
Does the IR loader have an EQ option in the app? I’m looking at the IR box because it has a parametric EQ option in the CubeSuite app, but if this can do IR loading plus a bunch more for a little more money. That’s be great. But, I’ve found fine-tuning IR’s with a good parametric EQ to be a game changer.
It is not that detailed like the IR-BOX mate! I know really well what you mean. In this case, better to pair it with the IR Box, even because you would have the Balanced Output as a plus! The BLACKBOX runs via the M-EFCS, so no graphic EQ like the Cube Suit! Hope it helps! Cheers! 🎛️🔥
Love the form factor, the amp processor is gonna be the game changer with the tech to model Your own gear. I owned the cube baby and really hated it, but it was all I could afford at the time! All these preamps are stock?
Yes!! I have recently released a video with Custom Captures and combining with pedals! Check out in the channel list! The native preamps are good, but you need to equalize them a little to balance the brightness and thicken the sound! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
I really wish they would do a midi controller with a screen and more features than the Chocolate. I have that one, and its build great, just a pain to program. Edit: It can be battery powered? Thats a plus.
Yes!! 10 hours autonomy in battery! And the upgraded midi controller will be released soon! 🎛️🔥
Chocolate rules. Han, Han. Yeah, yeah. 🤪
Hoping to see a comparison video soon to see if it'll replace or work in tandem with my Tank G
It will come out this week!
Hola! gran review!! se puede usar conectado a un contrlador midi para cambiar de presets o parámetros dentro de un preset?, como el joyo pxl por ejemplo... Saludos!
Yes! You can do it using the Chocolate Midi or the Chocolate plus. Here there is a video showing how: ruclips.net/video/CglyTLLPnHI/видео.htmlsi=jupttde0VG0aeqAf
@@RiffsRigs gracias!
I am glad I stumbled on your channel. Can a mod delay and reverb all be used at the same time?
Yes! The last example that I showed at ambiences is a Tape Delay together with the Cloud Reverb! 🎛️🔥
+ for ampero mini is that it's touch screen with more fx.... + for blackbox is that it's powered by built-in rechargable battery ... does black box have audio interface? ampero mini does...
Yes it does! But Blackbox is not Stereo! Take it into consideration when comparing with Ampero Mini! 👍🏻🎛️🔥
Ampero mini captures?
@@adamstein9333 No! Ampero Mini works with Amp Modeling. It is a different type of technology of simulation.
Beautiful gadget! But the problem is the XLR input remove this new device, very important XLR input for the DI box
It is true mate... but an IR BOX from M-VAVE is super compact and affordable. I would use it as IR loader + EQ + DI Box! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs im using tank-g for my saxophone (NOT guitar) but im not using the preset im using LIVE SET for my saxophone hehe
hi can i ask if?
1. is there a pop sound while changing the presets?
2. when chaning between preset, is there a gap/delay/deadsilence?
No pop! But there is a milisecond interruption between presets... just like the Tank G! Hope it helps mate! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs thanks for the info 😃😃
the rwview is also very clear, it helps a lot. thanks man
Can it be usted to load a acoustic instrument ir? Like a violin?
Yes! All IRs slots can be used for acoustic instruments without a problem!
Thanks a Lot man@@RiffsRigs
maan I wish the reverbs had pre-delay.
It misses this control for real. Same also at the mini Universe... :(
Hi, is it possible to disable the amp/cab sim and just use the FX's? in this case, affect the dry signal?
Sure! It can be used as an ambience and Modulation Stompbox! 🎛️🔥
Does it have xlr out?
If not i guess im going for tank g, also for the 4 switch
It doesn't... unfortunately! Tank G is your option to go if you really need it mate! 🎛️🔥
Is the chorus, delay and vibrato as good as on zoom(g3xn, g1on, etc.)? Thanks,
Honestly, no. The modulations of the Blackbox are too basic and limited. Unfortunately... but Reverbs and Delays are AWESOME! 🎛️🔥
Man, what do you think of Marshall simulations? And listening only by earphones? Graçias, amigo. Abraços. 🤘🤘🔥🔥
The Marshall ones are ok, but a little bit too bright for my taste! Of course you can correct it with the EQ and choosing a proper IR! 🎛️🔥
Does it have built-in audio interface?
Yes!! You can connect it via the USB-C and it recognizes! Works also on the mobile! 🔥
Be careful with spelling even in the title Vave is not Wave, and it is the same in case of amp and preamp these are two different things
Thanks for the feedback mate! Cheers! 🎛️🔥
I’m wondering what a bass guitar would sound like through this unit? Useable in any way? Maybe not.
I can try it later mate! I am planning a video with the acoustic before! 🎛️🔥
thanks for the nice Overview for the Blackbox ! very interesting little device!
Iam searching some new Effect devices for my Synthesizer Jams.. so no Guitars for me XD
I have the M-wave Mini Universe & The M wave Elemental Delay on my list or instead maybe The Blackbox ..? at the Maximum for my budged iam Thinking about the Hotone Ampero mini.. is there a big difference from the Quality of the EFX`s ? the Price is more than double...
Would be nice if someone have some nice inputs for me.
Thanks 🙂
Hey mate! So... the Ambiences of the Blackbox are not exactly the same as the Mini U and the Elemental, but they have some of them. Suggest you to check my review of the Mini U and Elemental to understand if there is any other algorithm that you would miss. But I could tell you that having the possibility to use presets makes the Blackbox as a good alternative for the two pedals stacked. Compared to the Ampero, they are in different league. The Modulations of the Ampero Mini are much better. It is a stereo equipment. It has more features of Effects on top of noise gate, compressor and Boost... so it is difficult to compare. But on the budget league, I believe the Blackbox is a pretty good product! I hope it helps! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs Hey Man,Thanks for your quick response!
I watched your Videos of them already 🙂 Ok, i see i have more Algorithm options with the Standalone padles. To have no presets seems at the moment not a big miss for me. In a Jam situation, i always will play a bit with the settings.
The multi EFX what i use atm, is the Zoom MS70-CDR, and the G1Four. Iam shure you know them aswell. For me the are more or less ok, but they are getting slowly really aged, and i want an upgrade, in terms of effect quality. What dou you think, will the Ampero mini also be in a diffenrent league (compared to the zoom`s - mainly for the Reverbs and Delays wich i use the most time) ?? then, i think my solution will be, to get the Ampero Mini as my main, or the better "High Quality Multi EFX" device, and the M wave Mini U and Elemental as "fun Toys" ---> (many Synths need many different Effects 🙂). Or do you have maybe a different recommendation in the 200 euro range.. ?
Thanks again
Appreciate your Help
Hi, greetings from Italy. 🙂
Is there a possibility of modifying the chain?
Do I have the possibility to bring the IRs to the top?
I'm thinking, for example, of use with an inexpensive acoustic guitar: I bring the IRs to the top to have the IR of a Martin and then apply modulation effects such as reverb and chorus.
Yes! The full signal path is editable in Slots! And it allows you to load 20 IRs! So for acoustic it will help you a lot! The mods are not that amazing... but works for chorus in low speed and Tremolo... for example... Auguri mio amico! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs Amazing.
I was considering buying the Zoom A1 Four, but this one costs half as much (which doesn't hurt). 😁
It is also true that it does not have a looper and drum, but I would not have used them.
On the IR no problem, I have mine on Martin, Taylor and Gibson.
I will look at a couple more reviews, but I really think I have found my next pedalboard.
@@warp09it is a budget gear! So of course you can't expect it to be strong and reliable like a zoom or a Boss unit, but I've been using M-VAVE stuff for 3 years now and they all work just perfect! For 85 bucks, it is worth the try! 🙌🏻
Can you have trails for the delay and reverb?
No trails when changing presets... unfortunately! :( 🎛️🔥
Can i use the chocolate wireless midi controller on it? Thanks
Unfortunately no! M-VAVE will release a new version of Midi Controller which iw compatible with it! But for now we will need to survive with only two footswitches! :( 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs wow still its a good news! Thnks man
You are welcome mate! Cheers! 🎛️🔥
is it based on Hotone chips ?
This is a good question mate! I am not capable of answering it! I am sorry! 🎛️🔥
Even though it's cheap and good, if you're not lucky enough, it can be a loss. A friend of mine bought a Cube Baby just about a month ago, and suddenly the unit died. The company refused to refund or replace it. they'll not take responsibility. Knowing this, I listed my Tank G for sale, and it sold 😊. Some may say it's cheap, but it's still money. What's cheap for you might not be for someone who doesn't earn as much as you.
It is a fact that all chinese products do not have warranty at all, so the low prices are actually funded by this "lack of responsibility". But anyway, the cube baby has a chronical issue of simply stopping. Both Tank G and Blackbox still have no history of problems like that, the same as the other pedals and the chocolate midi controller. Anyway, we need to see how they will behave in the long run! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs yup i couldn't agree more
@@sublikeheroes4656 i bought cubebaby 4 years ago, after 2 years it died, found out battery was bloated they freakin use Lipo battery, but i am greatful it works again after replacing it..
Can this be used for acoustic guitars
For sure! You just need to shut down the preamp and IR session, or load an acoustic Preamp capture with an acoustic guitar IR! Suggest also to edit the signal chain placing the IR as first in chain! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
is there an active community for sharing the amp captures??
Not centralized mate, but my members club has many of them! And I am curating and adding many others soon! 🎛️🔥
Such a processor is ideal for a Sonikake Hotone or Nux processor loop send-returne
Totally agree! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
Does it have a feature of analog peds like the tank G?
Yes... same as Tank G! Cheers mate!
@RiffsRigs Really? It has a live feature, too? Niceeee
I don't understand why any of these digital modelers can't do high gain without the hiss.🤔
It depends on the quality of transfer of the capture. Some colleagues at RUclips reduced a lot the hiss noise by transferring the captures via SyncoAnn, instead of using the M-EFCS! The custom captures are more silent also! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
Latency?
Hey mate! I didn't notice any latency issues... but it has a miliseconds gap when changing presets! Take this into consideration. It doesn't pop, but instantly cuts the sound for some miliseconds! I hope it helps! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs No, i about latency betwin in and out signal. Search "leo gibson latency test".
Does this support m vave chocolate?
Unfortunately no! M-VAVE will release a new controller which is compatible with the Blackbox! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs Noooo 😭
@@AndreChrisyudhait is a pitty! I agree! I asked them to send me with the Chocolate and they replied me this info. But soon the new midi controller should be out! And improved!!
Man, are you trying to play some riff like Spoonman?
No no... just noodling something at the guitar! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs you have a good Groove. 💪💪👏👏
Needs an XLR out.
I agree it was a downgrade to remove it, compared to the Tank G. Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
Guys, you can buy a New m vave IR Box. Has XLR DI, etc.
There’s an annoying warble in every tone. It’s like the unit has a whammy bar built in that cannot be switched off.
It is a problem with the guitar player which is addicted on its guitar whammy bar mate! Hahaha this is my fault, not the equipment's fault! 😬
@@RiffsRigs 🤣🤣🤣 👍
How the h*** do you charge it? All I got was a usb to c cable. “It can charge with the 5v adapter or the power bank. When the battery run low, you can use the 5v 2A adapter”. There is no adapter. Wtf
You will need to use a mobile phone base charger, or it also loads on the USB port of the computer! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
AMPERO mini KILLER!!!
This comment can harm sensitive feelings of some people! Careful 🚨
😂 I'm a big fan of mvave, but I think the ampero mini is slightly better (i have one). I'll probably get this one too. The tank g w/captures is a great value too.
@@EdBendertwo different leagues of products! But the Blackbox has potential for solving 90% of the issues of many guitar players who need only the basics! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
@@RiffsRigs yep, I agree. Seems like a great product. Mvave has been upping their game. The batery power is a really nice feature for practice and casual jamming too.
Nah, Ampero mini is way more flexible than this. Ampero mini is standalone, blackbox is more for pedalboard with others external pedals.
Heavy whammy bar use for the modulation fx demo wtf
Just noticed later mate... sorry for that! My bad!
@@RiffsRigs appreciate it
VENGO POR TU COMENTARIO DE ALI EXPRESS XD 🎉
Bienvenido! 🎛️🔥
nicee
It is! 🎛️🔥
No Thank you!
You are welcome! :) 🎛️🔥
@@thesaj1110 why
Mvave black box sound like toys.. better buy mosky M Series
The Mosky M has interesting stuff, but those are different applications! Cheers mate! 🎛️🔥
They have the new G3 and G4 on M series as well!