If the diesel in the Wrangler was like the diesel in the Colorado - 4 cylinder with 100 hp less then the gas engine, I'd say no. But what Jeep did is they left horsepower to be damn near comparable to the gas engine but added so so much torque and in the most usable part of the power band - a place where the V6 feels flat. As such just for the improved engine performance I think the 3.5 grand premium is worth it over the gas V6, that it will save on gas is just an added benefit. This powertrain might be enough to sway me away from a manual transmission Jeep....
I have been waiting for the diesel to come out for 2 years. I placed my order the second day they were available. The cost is nothing compared to the torque gains and the ability it will provide to an already an off-road beast. I currently have a diesel, so from a fuel perspective it will save me 33% at a minimum. Fun factor is Priceless!
My wife wants a Gladiator Rubicon. I'll suggest a compromise to her for our next Jeep. "How about a Gladiator Rubicon diesel, Debbie?" (I'm far more the Wrangler guy so it will be a compromise---of sorts!)
i have been a chrysler/mopar fan for 50 years. however, i purchased a new 2015 RAM 3500 dooley with the Cummings diesel and had NOTHING but problems with it over the emission system. it was in the shop 12 times in the first year i owned it and had the entire exhaust system replaced. i ended up suing Chrysler under a lemon law case and settled for a refund of $8k from Chrysler. i then sold the truck. i absolutely LOVED the truck when it ran. but you couldn't depend upon it to get home. i don't know what the 2020 diesel's are like from Chrysler but the 2015's could NOT be driven just in town or on short distances - the cummings has to go into regeneration mode to burn the soot in the DEF filter or an emission code gets triggered and then the vehicle itself will only travel another 200 miles and then stops. i would certainly look into possible emission problems with this new Jeep diesel before i would buy one. one other thing, i live in Pittsburgh, PA and the shop rates at the RAM dealer were $50/hr more for the diesel - gas motors were billed at $75/hr. where i was billed at $125/hr. for work on my diesel RAM. after my experience i determined that diesel engines are MORE expensive to own and maintain than gas unless you are doing a lot of towing or long millage trips. and of course, i can buy gasoline anywhere around Pittsburgh, there's only about 10 locations that sell diesel.
I have the 3.0L D in a 2015 Grand Cherokee, 150K miles, great torque, haven't had a single problem with it. I can't wait until the Wrangler is available. I agree with some of you, I want the 2-door model with the 3.0L
3.0 diesel wrangler real life consumption is city- 17-liters on 100km and hwy is 10-liters on 100km. which are the great numbers for suv like that. at the heavy off-road consumption will be double even triple of city consumption which is normal for off-road conditions.
We have a 2006 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited with the I6. 110K miles. Still a great vehicle, and is my daily driver. Will be keeping it for many more years as a play vehicle, but will be ordering a new Unlimited Rubicon diesel on Saturday. “We” have been asking for a diesel option for years, and they’ve finally listened. Yes it is expensive, but so was the 4Runner TRD Pro we purchased in 2017. This new Jeep checks off all the boxes for me. YMMV. Excellent review, thank you.
2manytoyz123 Alot of people who owned wranglers in the past will go back to the jeep wrangler because of the diesel engine option. we have a 18' jk and just love it.
It's a speculation whether the diesel will pencil out. For my miles, probably not at present fuel prices. If fuel prices go up, however, then the diesel starts to pay its way and resale will be higher also.
the fiat made 3l in my grand cherokee does, and they limit its ability to do it to certain conditions...so if you are in a city, have to get out of the car, etc, good luck going via limp mode to the dealer
I wondering the same thing. I'm a chrysler tech and I see dpf being full daily due to people not driving on highways for long enough to complete regen. I have a feeling these are going to be worst since when you offroading your at a very low speed that regen can't even get started. I bet customers are going to get stuck in limp in mode on the trails often.
My only concern is the cost in maintenance. I know with the big boys f-series to other 2500 series. Diesel maintenance is what suprises you and can break the bank on you if your not prepared for it.
The price difference doesn't scare me either! Especially since I am getting the diesel version and transporting it to Europe for off-roading (mainly Greece and Italy) where the diesel fuel costs much less than gasoline; I suspect this difference there has to do with taxes rather than refining process. So, the difference in the price of the Jeep should be amortized over there much faster. Yes, I have ordered the 2020 Rubicon and am taking delivery in January and shipping it to Greece from Savannah, GA, in April. Should be fun. BTW, I have ordered mine with BFG KO2; what do you think? You did not mention anything in your review about tires. Also, FYI, I have a 2016, JGC Overland, Trail Rated, which I purchased in Atlanta and shipped over to Europe and am extremely happy with how it handles. Apart from three recalls for what I consider minor issues, I have not had any issues...it takes me to places where even goats dare not go! I have enjoyed your video tremendously. Good work.
Riyad Kalla I have two apartments: in Athens and Thessaloniki. As for off-roading I mostly go up on the Pindos mountains in Epirus, though I roam the entire mainland and most islands. It is fun.
By reading your comment, it appears that you have a lot of disposable income which it could mean the Greek economy is good once again? Perhaps to the level it was back when you guys last had the Olympics?
NavyRider 93 I left Greece in 1967 with US$ 98 in my pocket. I have lived in ten countries since and visited a little over 100, and counting. In Greece I now spend about five months of the year; the rest in USA, Italy and Malaysia where I maintain residences. In Greece, things are getting better, yes. But for tax reasons I have moved my tax residence elsewhere. BTW, I retired back in 1996 at the age of forty eight.
@@MrKozanitis Wow you're the person to speak to then! Today I've been thinking of buying a Wrangler from the States and shipping it over, which led me to this review video. Any pitfalls I should look out for? Any and all advice is appreciated since you've gone through this process!
@Rusty Climber well these eco diesels do have the ability to do a dpf regen even if you dont take them out and run up the rpm all the time. you can literally force a dpf regen... learn a little something before spouting bullshit next time.
The price difference over the 3.6 gas engine, although significant, does not bother me. We paid, as I recall, a $4,500 premium for the 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland diesel my wife had (until selling it this past January prior to our move to Molokai). We have a 2012 JK Unlimited Rubicon that we've owned since new. While we've driven several 3.6 JL Wrangler Rubicons from a Jeep dealership in Utah over the past two years, we've been holding out for the diesel version. Later this month we're flying to Maui for six days. Our rental car there my wife reserved for us is a Wrangler Unlimited. We're hoping we'll get a JL Wrangler rather than a JK Wrangler. (I'm practically foaming at the mouth waiting for this new diesel Rubicon. I'm hoping the same thing happens to my wife who loved her diesel Grand Cherokee Overland.) An exceptional review you've done on this new diesel Rubicon. While I seriously wanted one before seeing your review, my wife will have to keep a serious eye on me---and keep me away from a Jeep dealership---while we're on Oahu for events surrounding the 7th in early December. Fabulous job with your review! Thank you very much! Andy McKane, Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii.
shv74...Maybe true with tiny diesel engines, but not anything 2L or bigger. They don't like to be revved. You just get the auto and engine all that effortless torque! I only drive diesel cars! I'm hooked!
My beautiful and amazing Princess No, Ford or GM being sold to Fiat would be a disgrace, Chrysler has been making unreliable shit for decades , They got what they deserved
Depends how it is treated a lot of people don’t let it warm up and that’s why you hear issues on the ram 1500 but you look at people who do treat them right and let them burn all the excess fuel in the cylinder they don’t gum up and have issues. With reliability you also have to take into account half the people who take the wrangler rock climbing banging a metal jeep on solid rocks and going through mud which gets everywhere and ruins things compared to the average Toyota driver who stays on pavement treats extremely nicely and doesn’t ever scrape up the underbelly. Not to mention all the wear and tear of people put on their vehicles in upgrades
yondaime hokage ... do you have personal history with unreliable Jeeps? I have a 2007 4dr JK with 110,000 miles with no problems except routine maintenance.
@@chocolatte6157 I dont, but the mechanics I know all said they're not as reliable as lets say a 4runner, then I did my own research and the majority agrees. I love the look of the jeep though, nothing else like it.
Well I guess I have been really lucky... 90 XJ with over 157000 miles MJ about the same and a TJ (LJ) with over 248000 miles with just normal routine maintenance... OEM clutch still.
Curious if you can give me your impression of the diesel sound with the one touch top retracted and then with the top retracted AND windows down… does it distract from normal conversation or the outdoor experience? thanks!
It seems to me like the diesel is just hands down the best engine in the wrangler, torque on tap at low rpms which is where it's at off road and on road in this vehicle. With the weight of the 4xe dragging it down once it kicks into gas only or even hybrid and the variance of torque as you switch, and the big gain for the diesel in torque above the 2.0 i4 and 2.6 v6, what is the reason for not picking one of these up lightly used for thousands under new msrp? Don't tell me DEF, it's a non issue. Anyone?
Darn Tough Merino Wool socks may be a better choice, they don't bag. I have a dozen pair for hiking, running, biking and everyday use. I'm on mine years with some of those and they don't bag. Also, please do another summit and feature menswear next!
I love the idea of 442 foot lb of TQ. great for crawling or even stop light acceleration... Even better if you are going to tire up to 35's or more. I have an 18 JLU and want the diesel. However, the same motor in the ram has had lots of issues. and yes if the AQMD was not around you could talk all that crap off get more power, better MPG's better reliability and use that 5 gal pee tank for fuel to give you another 100+ mile range. but I will wait at least until 21 to see it they have issues...
I’m going to do mainly on road commuting to work and maybe once a month go camping. No rock climbing no mudding. But I may over over the occasional stream or rock or bump. Is the Sahara for me or Rubicon?
@@DanEdmunds thank you for the reply. I am 6 foot 7 and I think it would be just a little bit too much for this. Been toying around the idea of one of these or a 4Runner to replace my F150.
As far as range goes, I have a 21 gallon tank on my 2.8 Duramax and on the Hyway 30+ on a decent trip is routine. so 600~. That eco diesel should hit 30 ish. so multiply your tank capacity by 30 and you should be in the ball park
I've owned several Diesels over the last 30 years and the only concern I have is the number of re gens the DPF would go through in a week of wheeling in Moab. Over time can the re gens keep the DPF functional or would it need to be removed for cleaning? Not cheap & maybe a limp mode condition could exist? Otherwise I think they've sorted this little Italian Diesel out pretty well. The first gens I know had some cam phaser issues. I know about the emission law suit, not surprised with the EPA having so much input on design requirements on new vehicles. Diesels are designed to smoke to a degree wether we like it or not.
many will. i work for an fca dealership and people do it all thee fucking time. they learn their lesson after seeing the $8000 diesel after treatment system replacement bill though
If they offer this in the 2 door, I’d be ok with giving up my Manual to have more torque and MUCH better range than my current 2dr JL. (I still love mine though😁)
The 4.10's of the gas Rubicon would probably produce too much torque at the axles when combined with the diesel---even with the Dana 44's. Too much torque can result in axle shafts that break far too easily---just ask any "series" Land Rover owner. I know this for 30 years of experience driving Land Rover Series IIA's and III's. Andy McKane, Molokai, Hawaii.
Andy McKane Yea the diesel simply doesn’t need the gear. As it is the 4.10s with the gas and 8 speed is overkill for the stock tires especially with the 4:1 low. I don’t think a diesel Rubicon will have any issues with 37s and stock gears. Really with 442 TQ larger tires on the stock axles becomes more of a worry though.
Yes. And it makes sense. There so much more torque here that you don't need 4:10s. Gearing is just a torque multiplier, after all. If you're motor makes tone more, you're still way ahead even backing off one step like this. And the good news is the Sahara and Sport don't get shortchanged.
@@dj_laundry_list There is no cheaper, lighter gas powered engine that would give you this kind of torque. FCA has engines with more torque, but they are monstrous in size and would be hard to stuff in a Jeep.
I'm surprised they had journalists ride that spine. Never seen an off-road course setup for journalists that risky. Get the wrong journalist behind the wheel and you've got a Rubicon upside down crunched from a 20 foot drop.
Thinking about all these high torque rock climbing scenarios they encounter, wouldn't a Tesla powered Jeep make the most sense? Dual motors, massive torque, completely quiet to hear rocks scraping, etc.
Well, if you research previous generations of this Fiat engine you will find that they were plagued with (early-onset & low mileage) problems that ranged from minor to catastrophic!! They should have chosen Cummins! I Hope this engine is worthy of the legendary brand!
Dan Pelleg - Nope! I’m referring to the VM Motori 3.0 diesels that were placed in the 2014 Rams! There are a slew of problems associated with that motor. There are many, many engine failures with less than 70k miles! I’ve researched these engines because i am in the market for a new Rubicon!
We are out there so if it burns up and fire no one will hear about it great I dear Chrysler is trying to sweep this under the rug and I’m trying to get it out good luck with that
FCA screwed up big time by not upgrading the GVWR on this Diesel Wrangler. Gladiator's will be just as bad. Payload on this platform is a joke. That's a deal breaker for a lot of people. What were those FCA folks thinking?
Smaller Fuel Tank,,, WHAT? Jeeps are for disappearing into the wilderness hard to do with 20 Gallons. My old Jeeps all had a regular tank and 50 gallon upper tank and my Trailer had 4 5 gallon Jugs,,, LOL,, I could fill up go off archery hunting for 2 weeks and not have to worry about a Station.
Have you ever been truly off road racing???? This Jeep is more capable, then your parking lots!!! I wish Jeep would put a female behind the wheel, to test, this Jeep!!
Diesel in North America is a no go. No one is buying the Jeep with a diesel engine especially with the high surcharge Jeep is hitting you with. All the internet auto experts want manual transmissions and diesel engines...the real world doesn't want this crap. The sales numbers back up what I'm saying which is why manual transmissions have all but disappeared in North America.
99% of jeep driving is in the highway. And the all electric torque would be best for 37s or 39s. Of course maintenance and mileage kills a diesel. There is no competition. I hope there will be an all electric wrangler by 22.
Diesel in your Wrangler: Yes or no?
Yes please
If the diesel in the Wrangler was like the diesel in the Colorado - 4 cylinder with 100 hp less then the gas engine, I'd say no.
But what Jeep did is they left horsepower to be damn near comparable to the gas engine but added so so much torque and in the most usable part of the power band - a place where the V6 feels flat. As such just for the improved engine performance I think the 3.5 grand premium is worth it over the gas V6, that it will save on gas is just an added benefit. This powertrain might be enough to sway me away from a manual transmission Jeep....
No thanks. Only because it is a pain in the arse to find diesel everywhere in my city.
@@joshmiller1640 I've always been fascinated by the lack of diesel in the urban Stations in the US
Made by Fiat? Hell no! Made by Cummins? Take my money, all the moneys.
Would like to hear the engine without music in the background.
Music in any video showcasing motorized vehicles is a sin that should be punished.
I have been waiting for the diesel to come out for 2 years. I placed my order the second day they were available. The cost is nothing compared to the torque gains and the ability it will provide to an already an off-road beast. I currently have a diesel, so from a fuel perspective it will save me 33% at a minimum. Fun factor is Priceless!
Easily 32mpg since it's lighter than the 1500
@Rusty Climber I've never driven that engine, only the 6.7L Cummins.
@Rusty Climber for this application the 3.0L seems like string enough. Only time will tell if it will live up to the hype.
@Rusty Climber how do you expect to go rock crawling with a 3 cylinder engine? Lmao!
@Rusty Climber my Jeep Liberty 2.7 is still running smoothly up to this day.
I cant wait till the gladiator has this engine!!! Who's with me!!
My wife wants a Gladiator Rubicon. I'll suggest a compromise to her for our next Jeep. "How about a Gladiator Rubicon diesel, Debbie?" (I'm far more the Wrangler guy so it will be a compromise---of sorts!)
@@sacksis the gladiator Is coming out with the diesel sometime this year.
And when it comes in manual
Or just get the Zr2 Duramax
I've just been holding onto my '16 JKU, waiting to sell it the day the diesel gladiator is out
i have been a chrysler/mopar fan for 50 years. however, i purchased a new 2015 RAM 3500 dooley with the Cummings diesel and had NOTHING but problems with it over the emission system. it was in the shop 12 times in the first year i owned it and had the entire exhaust system replaced. i ended up suing Chrysler under a lemon law case and settled for a refund of $8k from Chrysler. i then sold the truck. i absolutely LOVED the truck when it ran. but you couldn't depend upon it to get home. i don't know what the 2020 diesel's are like from Chrysler but the 2015's could NOT be driven just in town or on short distances - the cummings has to go into regeneration mode to burn the soot in the DEF filter or an emission code gets triggered and then the vehicle itself will only travel another 200 miles and then stops. i would certainly look into possible emission problems with this new Jeep diesel before i would buy one. one other thing, i live in Pittsburgh, PA and the shop rates at the RAM dealer were $50/hr more for the diesel - gas motors were billed at $75/hr. where i was billed at $125/hr. for work on my diesel RAM. after my experience i determined that diesel engines are MORE expensive to own and maintain than gas unless you are doing a lot of towing or long millage trips. and of course, i can buy gasoline anywhere around Pittsburgh, there's only about 10 locations that sell diesel.
“Driving on a fin of sandstone that you wouldn’t even think to walk on,” as his spotter runs on ahead on that fin of sandstone.
Don't believe what your eyes see...believe what the man tells you to believe. 😆
What about the crank bearing spin reliability problems of the old v6? A new block may have brought the reliability customers expect.
Would love to see this added to your long term test fleet. You hear some horror stories from the eco diesel. Would be nice to see a long term review.
I have the 3.0L D in a 2015 Grand Cherokee, 150K miles, great torque, haven't had a single problem with it. I can't wait until the Wrangler is available. I agree with some of you, I want the 2-door model with the 3.0L
I'm glad, and it's about time, Jeep made a diesel powered offroader!👍
Lost count how many times I had to adjust the volume. Is it your mic or your audio video editor?
3.0 diesel wrangler real life consumption is city- 17-liters on 100km and hwy is 10-liters on 100km. which are the great numbers for suv like that. at the heavy off-road consumption will be double even triple of city consumption which is normal for off-road conditions.
Excellent review, answered numerous questions I had.
That sound going through the tunnel was epic coming from a wrangler rubicon! 🤤
Any idea of the cost of maintenance for this new diesel? I'd like tho think the overall cost will be less than the gas options, but it's anew motor.
Any on know if a KLU front bumper would bolt on a JK ??????
Is the diesel available with selec-trac ?
We have a 2006 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited with the I6. 110K miles. Still a great vehicle, and is my daily driver. Will be keeping it for many more years as a play vehicle, but will be ordering a new Unlimited Rubicon diesel on Saturday. “We” have been asking for a diesel option for years, and they’ve finally listened. Yes it is expensive, but so was the 4Runner TRD Pro we purchased in 2017. This new Jeep checks off all the boxes for me. YMMV. Excellent review, thank you.
2manytoyz123 Alot of people who owned wranglers in the past will go back to the jeep wrangler because of the diesel engine option. we have a 18' jk and just love it.
It's a speculation whether the diesel will pencil out. For my miles, probably not at present fuel prices. If fuel prices go up, however, then the diesel starts to pay its way and resale will be higher also.
The whole idea of paying for itself is hard to pin down. For me, the drivability and torque are worth it on their own.
Do you think they have a regen cycle?
the fiat made 3l in my grand cherokee does, and they limit its ability to do it to certain conditions...so if you are in a city, have to get out of the car, etc, good luck going via limp mode to the dealer
I wondering the same thing. I'm a chrysler tech and I see dpf being full daily due to people not driving on highways for long enough to complete regen. I have a feeling these are going to be worst since when you offroading your at a very low speed that regen can't even get started. I bet customers are going to get stuck in limp in mode on the trails often.
My only concern is the cost in maintenance. I know with the big boys f-series to other 2500 series. Diesel maintenance is what suprises you and can break the bank on you if your not prepared for it.
Eco diesel JL gets 29-30 mpg highway!
So with 3.73:1 and Dana 44s you can run 37s all day no problems and with Honda civic mpgs!!
Do I trade my 19 Raptor for one of these??
turbotj99 hell no
The price difference doesn't scare me either! Especially since I am getting the diesel version and transporting it to Europe for off-roading (mainly Greece and Italy) where the diesel fuel costs much less than gasoline; I suspect this difference there has to do with taxes rather than refining process. So, the difference in the price of the Jeep should be amortized over there much faster.
Yes, I have ordered the 2020 Rubicon and am taking delivery in January and shipping it to Greece from Savannah, GA, in April. Should be fun. BTW, I have ordered mine with BFG KO2; what do you think? You did not mention anything in your review about tires.
Also, FYI, I have a 2016, JGC Overland, Trail Rated, which I purchased in Atlanta and shipped over to Europe and am extremely happy with how it handles. Apart from three recalls for what I consider minor issues, I have not had any issues...it takes me to places where even goats dare not go!
I have enjoyed your video tremendously. Good work.
Where in Greece? Sounds fun!
Riyad Kalla I have two apartments: in Athens and Thessaloniki. As for off-roading I mostly go up on the Pindos mountains in Epirus, though I roam the entire mainland and most islands. It is fun.
By reading your comment, it appears that you have a lot of disposable income which it could mean the Greek economy is good once again? Perhaps to the level it was back when you guys last had the Olympics?
NavyRider 93 I left Greece in 1967 with US$ 98 in my pocket. I have lived in ten countries since and visited a little over 100, and counting. In Greece I now spend about five months of the year; the rest in USA, Italy and Malaysia where I maintain residences. In Greece, things are getting better, yes. But for tax reasons I have moved my tax residence elsewhere. BTW, I retired back in 1996 at the age of forty eight.
@@MrKozanitis Wow you're the person to speak to then! Today I've been thinking of buying a Wrangler from the States and shipping it over, which led me to this review video. Any pitfalls I should look out for? Any and all advice is appreciated since you've gone through this process!
Best jeep wrangler ever. But, i still love my cj7 anyway.
Hours of of creeping along a trail, no highway driving... Have fun with all the DPF problems!
@Rusty Climber well these eco diesels do have the ability to do a dpf regen even if you dont take them out and run up the rpm all the time. you can literally force a dpf regen... learn a little something before spouting bullshit next time.
We put 50k miles on a 2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel and had no such problems. Loved it, in fact.
Good video, nice review and that looks like a lot of fun you had with the Wrangler EcoDiesel.
The price difference over the 3.6 gas engine, although significant, does not bother me. We paid, as I recall, a $4,500 premium for the 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland diesel my wife had (until selling it this past January prior to our move to Molokai). We have a 2012 JK Unlimited Rubicon that we've owned since new. While we've driven several 3.6 JL Wrangler Rubicons from a Jeep dealership in Utah over the past two years, we've been holding out for the diesel version. Later this month we're flying to Maui for six days. Our rental car there my wife reserved for us is a Wrangler Unlimited. We're hoping we'll get a JL Wrangler rather than a JK Wrangler. (I'm practically foaming at the mouth waiting for this new diesel Rubicon. I'm hoping the same thing happens to my wife who loved her diesel Grand Cherokee Overland.) An exceptional review you've done on this new diesel Rubicon. While I seriously wanted one before seeing your review, my wife will have to keep a serious eye on me---and keep me away from a Jeep dealership---while we're on Oahu for events surrounding the 7th in early December. Fabulous job with your review! Thank you very much! Andy McKane, Maunaloa, Molokai, Hawaii.
You gotta have a manual transmission with diesel, it's real fun to use all that torque :)
shv74...Maybe true with tiny diesel engines, but not anything 2L or bigger. They don't like to be revved. You just get the auto and engine all that effortless torque! I only drive diesel cars! I'm hooked!
What’s the official name for this colour? Hydro blue or some other blue maybe? Thanks!
I wonder how is the reliability on this Italian made diesel?🤔
check out the grand cheroke diesel (CRD). its a similar engine and has been running for many years
awful
chrysler being sold to freaking fiat was a disgrace
My beautiful and amazing Princess No, Ford or GM being sold to Fiat would be a disgrace, Chrysler has been making unreliable shit for decades , They got what they deserved
Depends how it is treated a lot of people don’t let it warm up and that’s why you hear issues on the ram 1500 but you look at people who do treat them right and let them burn all the excess fuel in the cylinder they don’t gum up and have issues.
With reliability you also have to take into account half the people who take the wrangler rock climbing banging a metal jeep on solid rocks and going through mud which gets everywhere and ruins things compared to the average Toyota driver who stays on pavement treats extremely nicely and doesn’t ever scrape up the underbelly. Not to mention all the wear and tear of people put on their vehicles in upgrades
Every car always drives and feels nice brand new, not many remains that way over the years. I just wish Jeeps were more reliable.
yondaime hokage ... do you have personal history with unreliable Jeeps? I have a 2007 4dr JK with 110,000 miles with no problems except routine maintenance.
@@chocolatte6157 I dont, but the mechanics I know all said they're not as reliable as lets say a 4runner, then I did my own research and the majority agrees. I love the look of the jeep though, nothing else like it.
yondaime hokage the brightest stars always burn out faster.
Well I guess I have been really lucky... 90 XJ with over 157000 miles MJ about the same and a TJ (LJ) with over 248000 miles with just normal routine maintenance... OEM clutch still.
@@Private_Snowball but wallet will burn faster
Curious if you can give me your impression of the diesel sound with the one touch top retracted and then with the top retracted AND windows down… does it distract from normal conversation or the outdoor experience? thanks!
When is this engine coming to the Grand Cherokee?
Next year
So on the wrangler and the pickup, no manual option with the diesel?
Nope. I don't think the manual (and the clutch) can cope with all that torque.
Dan Edmunds why not? everywhere overseas has diesel manual trucks
So, 700 miles per tank?
Is it that big of a tank?!
@@rkalla 22 gallons I guess
@@rkalla correction, is 18.3 gallon so the range is around 570 miles, which is pretty impressive.
@Arsène Lupin this is a new engine so let's see if they fixed all that
@guy proulx sure, but with a gladiator
GM 3.0 has to remove engine for oil pump belt change at 150k. Cost about $3k. Hope Jeep is better.
Where is this?
Finally! Thank god! What we’ve all been waiting for
Thanks for sharing.
It seems to me like the diesel is just hands down the best engine in the wrangler, torque on tap at low rpms which is where it's at off road and on road in this vehicle. With the weight of the 4xe dragging it down once it kicks into gas only or even hybrid and the variance of torque as you switch, and the big gain for the diesel in torque above the 2.0 i4 and 2.6 v6, what is the reason for not picking one of these up lightly used for thousands under new msrp? Don't tell me DEF, it's a non issue. Anyone?
So when is an electric model coming out? I'll get the diesel until then 😃
Darn Tough Merino Wool socks may be a better choice, they don't bag. I have a dozen pair for hiking, running, biking and everyday use. I'm on mine years with some of those and they don't bag. Also, please do another summit and feature menswear next!
I'm very cautious about any review that has nothing negative to say about any vehicle.
Wish theyd hurry up and bring these to Aus
I love the idea of 442 foot lb of TQ. great for crawling or even stop light acceleration... Even better if you are going to tire up to 35's or more. I have an 18 JLU and want the diesel. However, the same motor in the ram has had lots of issues. and yes if the AQMD was not around you could talk all that crap off get more power, better MPG's better reliability and use that 5 gal pee tank for fuel to give you another 100+ mile range. but I will wait at least until 21 to see it they have issues...
$3,000 isn't actually a bad price difference! I think and hope the diesel will be a big hit for jeep!
Awesome job hooking up carwow with some autos while Matt is stateside. You guys are awesome!!
Wondering what maintenance costs and fuel cost differ from the gas to diesel
Kurt Firestone - i would suggest that you wait a year before rolling the dice on this Fiat experiment!
Kurt...you are wise... my next vehicle will be a 2022 Gladiator EcoDiesel that I will buy Certified pre-owned in 2024 . . yup I have a plan...
eco diesel motors great don't listen to the youtubers that had problem my ram with eco diesel I got 150000 miles no problem
Second that. 3+ years, 50k miles, zero problems. Awesome engine
@guy proulx I got the 2017 ram eco didn't effect me.
@guy proulx epa is why class law happen . I dont have problems with my truck cuz I change my own oil my self and fuel filter at home.
@guy proulx that has to do with emissions, which was addressed via software update -- www.ecodieselsettlement.com/
@guy proulx I know that too. They admitted that they made a mistake and paid for it. Getting $3.1k back was more than fare IMO
I’m going to do mainly on road commuting to work and maybe once a month go camping. No rock climbing no mudding. But I may over over the occasional stream or rock or bump. Is the Sahara for me or Rubicon?
Get a tacoma
The Sahara would be great for you
The Sahara or Sport S is the clear choice for you
Rubicon it's an overkill for that
a sport s with some km3's and momentum is all you'd need. Or just get a Tacoma like previously mentioned.
Would the new FCA FCA diesel weigh more than a small block V8 let's just say chevy 350 as it's a common swap
They're screwing us over here in Australia with a 2020, 2.2 Diesel engine and not the 3.0 ltr.. Anyone know why?
Stupid question but how tall is the guy giving the review?
6' 2"
@@DanEdmunds thank you for the reply. I am 6 foot 7 and I think it would be just a little bit too much for this. Been toying around the idea of one of these or a 4Runner to replace my F150.
As far as range goes, I have a 21 gallon tank on my 2.8 Duramax and on the Hyway 30+ on a decent trip is routine. so 600~. That eco diesel should hit 30 ish. so multiply your tank capacity by 30 and you should be in the ball park
I've owned several Diesels over the last 30 years and the only concern I have is the number of re gens the DPF would go through in a week of wheeling in Moab. Over time can the re gens keep the DPF functional or would it need to be removed for cleaning? Not cheap & maybe a limp mode condition could exist? Otherwise I think they've sorted this little Italian Diesel out pretty well. The first gens I know had some cam phaser issues. I know about the emission law suit, not surprised with the EPA having so much input on design requirements on new vehicles. Diesels are designed to smoke to a degree wether we like it or not.
Some noob is going to put DEF in the fuel tank.
many will. i work for an fca dealership and people do it all thee fucking time. they learn their lesson after seeing the $8000 diesel after treatment system replacement bill though
My advice to you.....is don't be cheap on your glasses and get the anti reflective coating...
If they offer this in the 2 door, I’d be ok with giving up my Manual to have more torque and MUCH better range than my current 2dr JL. (I still love mine though😁)
3.73s across the board for the diesel regardless of Rubicon.
The 4.10's of the gas Rubicon would probably produce too much torque at the axles when combined with the diesel---even with the Dana 44's. Too much torque can result in axle shafts that break far too easily---just ask any "series" Land Rover owner. I know this for 30 years of experience driving Land Rover Series IIA's and III's. Andy McKane, Molokai, Hawaii.
Andy McKane Yea the diesel simply doesn’t need the gear. As it is the 4.10s with the gas and 8 speed is overkill for the stock tires especially with the 4:1 low. I don’t think a diesel Rubicon will have any issues with 37s and stock gears. Really with 442 TQ larger tires on the stock axles becomes more of a worry though.
Yes. And it makes sense. There so much more torque here that you don't need 4:10s. Gearing is just a torque multiplier, after all. If you're motor makes tone more, you're still way ahead even backing off one step like this. And the good news is the Sahara and Sport don't get shortchanged.
This is incredible. A diesel Jeep , wow 😯
Why not have a cheaper, lighter gas engine designed for high torque at low rpm?
Because then fiat Chrysler would have to have separate gas engines for their other vehicles lines this way they consolidate the manufacturing process
@@johnnyk617 Fair point. I would think that such an engine would work well in other truck/suv applications though
@@dj_laundry_list There is no cheaper, lighter gas powered engine that would give you this kind of torque. FCA has engines with more torque, but they are monstrous in size and would be hard to stuff in a Jeep.
Too bad they don't have a manual transmission only reason why I haven't bought an echo diesel already is because I don't like automatics
How are the welds holding up 🤔😪
Isn't it little too late?
No!
Better late than never! This engine is PERFECT for a Jeep!
I wonder what Toyota is planning? They are missing out on this market. Maybe another FJ with a diesel? I know, dream on.
If they brought the 70/80 series Land cruisers to the states, Jeep would likely go out of business.
Can you get the Diesel in the 2 door?
No.
Honest answers ...always diesel better to live more with you ... i bet they live to 700k miles easy like Mercedes Benz diesels and bmws and audis
What happened to the good hosts?
Jeeps been using diesel engines in the UK for decades
Yeah the emission regulations are hard to get around here.
28 to 29 mph highway
Another channel showed the numbers from the highway drive and it was 32mpg.
@@wvjeepguy8178 anything above 30 mpg it's a win though
including regen?
@@johnt4865 including regen
@Arsène Lupin yeah towing drops the mileage. But this is a diesel so it isn't going to drop as much.
The milage I believe wouldn't make the difference in operation and maintenance costs between has and diesel
Don’t take it in mud or soft deep sand. You need RPMs that you won’t have.
I am a big, big diesel fan. But diesels made by Fiat, I'm not too sure. And I've had Jeep's forever. But Fiat engines?
What makes you think a European auto maker (where diesel engines are most common) can't make a diesel engine?
@@jc5604 European cars have been very unreliable according to every single publication that reviews them.
Fiat engines are really good and reliable, especially diesel ones, after all Fiat has a lot of experience in heavy vehicles.
Wait for The Topher to review one....
Should have let us hear the diesel click clack away!!
I'm surprised they had journalists ride that spine. Never seen an off-road course setup for journalists that risky. Get the wrong journalist behind the wheel and you've got a Rubicon upside down crunched from a 20 foot drop.
$60k for diesel rubi or raptor....
Great question!!
Interesting question mate
Completely different vehicles and use cases really IMO
@@JsGarage Rubicon is going to get in tighter places for sure
@@makatron Amen!
Thinking about all these high torque rock climbing scenarios they encounter, wouldn't a Tesla powered Jeep make the most sense? Dual motors, massive torque, completely quiet to hear rocks scraping, etc.
Sure. Just add maybe 1000 lbs and make sure you're not in the middle of nowhere Utah for a 3 day overnighter?
Well, if you research previous generations of this Fiat engine you will find that they were plagued with (early-onset & low mileage) problems that ranged from minor to catastrophic!! They should have chosen Cummins! I Hope this engine is worthy of the legendary brand!
you're talking about the 4cylinder 2.8 diesel. this one is similar to the V6 diesel installed in the grand cherokee CRD which is a good engine
Dan Pelleg - Nope! I’m referring to the VM Motori 3.0 diesels that were placed in the 2014 Rams! There are a slew of problems associated with that motor. There are many, many engine failures with less than 70k miles! I’ve researched these engines because i am in the market for a new Rubicon!
We are out there so if it burns up and fire no one will hear about it great I dear Chrysler is trying to sweep this under the rug and I’m trying to get it out good luck with that
What
Michael Hohe Exactly what I saw
What if they also make an EV Wrangler? Who would favor this idea? (please would you also subscribe to our channel?) Thank you.
It will be even better when someone takes all the emission stuff off.
FCA screwed up big time by not upgrading the GVWR on this Diesel Wrangler. Gladiator's will be just as bad. Payload on this platform is a joke. That's a deal breaker for a lot of people. What were those FCA folks thinking?
So you slam the ZR2 Duramax for a tailpipe? Are you stoned?
I was interested until I heard the auto only. What fun is that? Meh for me.
Smaller Fuel Tank,,, WHAT? Jeeps are for disappearing into the wilderness hard to do with 20 Gallons. My old Jeeps all had a regular tank and 50 gallon upper tank and my Trailer had 4 5 gallon Jugs,,, LOL,, I could fill up go off archery hunting for 2 weeks and not have to worry about a Station.
Now if Toyota would add a diesel or even a V8 to the 4Runner, I have a 2008 V8 AWD 4Runner and love it. Would not buy one with a V6
The V6 has been awesome for me. Had my doubts at first.
suv like this must be diesel
There is no z in diesel.....
Have you ever been truly off road racing???? This Jeep is more capable, then your parking lots!!! I wish Jeep would put a female behind the wheel, to test, this Jeep!!
Diesel in North America is a no go. No one is buying the Jeep with a diesel engine especially with the high surcharge Jeep is hitting you with. All the internet auto experts want manual transmissions and diesel engines...the real world doesn't want this crap. The sales numbers back up what I'm saying which is why manual transmissions have all but disappeared in North America.
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You want torque? Go electric
Powered by Fiat. Good luck with that. LOL
Talk, talk talk. Shut up and drive
All electric would smoke the diesel. Electric is the future.
chris pomplun Try finding a charger in the middle of the desert or at your family camping spot
99% of jeep driving is in the highway. And the all electric torque would be best for 37s or 39s. Of course maintenance and mileage kills a diesel. There is no competition. I hope there will be an all electric wrangler by 22.
99% of jeepers don't off road it.
Bev is the future.
They look cool. And you don't have go way out in the middle of nowhere.
Jeep will dig there own grave merging with fiat.
rick bodwell you mean merging with Peugeot PSA...
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