Windows vs Mac Laptop in 2023: Was Apple Silicon a MISTAKE?!
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Which Laptop is BETTER? - 16:25
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Geekbench single core scores is incorrect. You said for Single-core CPU, the M2 Max scored 2076, but then you show Geekbench 6 giving a MacBook Air (2022) a single core score of 2608. Did you give us Geekbench 5 score instead for the Max?
How about gaming test is channel is biased af we know that macbook are not capable of gaming
time higher is better.😆
The comparison is not very fair when you run the mac unplugged and keep the windows garbage plugged. Without a wall connection the Intel machine is half slower but still drains the battery in half the time.
@@maminanami9465 Not capable? ROFL. I tested War Thunder with my Samsung G9 49" at the native resolution (5122x1440) and it run the game at 15-17 fps which is still playable. And that was the base M1 chip. If I drop the resolution to full hd, war thunder gets 60-100fps.
I think it’s funny and telling that the Mac was never plugged in to ac power for all the tests. How long would it run and how performant would the pc be on battery alone?
yep. that's quite possibly the worst part about PCs. unplugged they drop performance so much that they're basically tablets with a keyboard. whereas a macbook can still run intensive tasks and graphics.
Even though I don't prefer Apple, I will still agree that the pc will not be able to function at 100% performance. Even if we ignore the battery life completely. Its only Apple who allow same performance throughout the battery cycle.
Very objective review right? The Mac on battery holds its own against a PC consuming twice the energy.
Wow, great observation! His benchmarks were not apples/apples when the Windows box was plugged into AC the entire time. I have no doubt the Windows machine is better for gaming, Razer is a gaming-focused brand. Apple is more meant for other workloads and does very well with the workloads it was intended to be used for. Overall the MacBook is a better machine for everything BUT gaming. I am not 16 years old and cant buy a machine for solely gaming.
@@nitinburman3720 ICYMI: M2 Max was throtling in end of Cinebench rendering test (even it was not mentioned in this review).
No, Apple SIlicon was not a mistake. It is perfect for the type of laptop Apple wants to build. Remember that during this whole comparison, the Mac is on battery life. If you travel and do any of the tasks that both machines did in this video, then the choice is simple, get the Mac. Apple is still years ahead of Intel and NVIDIA in terms of power efficiency.
He gotta stop with the dramatic bait headlines. He doesn't need that to make views. He can do without them and should prioritize keeping the channel serious and reliable starting with the titles.
@@pauls1555 Agreed!
@@pauls1555, all channels use click bait thumbnails to draw you in. No big deal!
@@katseverino1085 dave2d?
They're not years ahead. It's just different technology. Apple silicon uses an ARM based processor meanwhile other intel and amd uses x86. RISC is extremely better than x86 and infinitely more power efficent, they are what made smartphones possible. But the problem is that adoption for RISC in the desktop space is still pretty much nonexistent. ARM based processors are like the new kids in the block, only adopted on niche things like smartphones, microcontrollers, apple devices, etc. Meanwhile x86 kinda like runs the entire economy.
The fact that the windows PC had to be plugged during all the test shows how good are the Apple Silicon chips.
because the power profiles that windows has. I don't blame the guy not wanting to fiddle around with the windows power options. Its a mess. I am sure if he had configured it to run at full power while unplugged it probably would of been the same amazing performance.
@@mariojpalomares2514 but still the fact remains that the mac can provide high performance for 10 hours, but on max performance mode windows laptop would last for max 2-3 hours
@@themonkeyman2790 clearly there is a reason why the whole industry hasn't switched to arm. Apple will be Apple being way different. Always has been, and always will.. you are talking 2 different machines for 2 different purposes. Gaming laptops are super spec'd out and battery life is an an after thought. I would not be buying a macbook if its purpose was to game and some extras. They each have their pros and cons. Intel/amd also have specs that last just as much as the macbook. But in this case, it is a spec'd out gaming laptop. To each their own i suppose.
@mariojpalomares2514 No, those window laptop exists for more extensive STEM softwares for engineering, simulation of particles, video game rendering (window pc does it better), hard scientific data or simulations or many other. Why did you think that window still dominate in my corporate or why many engineer profession have still to change to apple. Mac os was thought for 3d animation? Video editing and programming. However, profesion outside of it, it lack severely especially when you are simulating 3d analysis of such deformation of a product for example. I have tried to used as a main for mechanical engineering like solidoworks, Matlab, ansys apdl or workbench and so many other. Window laptop with discrete gpu from even a 1660ti hand down does it faster than Mac os. For me Mac Os is more for content creator, animator and programmer but window and Linux are more for heavy simulations, scientific data and so more heavy load analysis thar simply Mac os still can't compete in that market. So I am tired that apple fan actually with great ignorance thinks that "window laptop" are just for gaming.
@@kyordannydelvalle523 I am Engineer that uses a windows laptop for all of things you describe. If they available on Mac, I'd switch to Mac in a heartbeat. Windows laptops suck, but I've got no other option
It's just always funny how when you guys do these comparisons, the Windows laptop always needs to be plugged in to get the best performance, whereas the Macbook..
funny that mac is compared to gaming windows laptop that needs 230W
Also mac offers less performance, it only excels in video and photo exporting via media engines. Full performance but still less than ontel cpu
@@racistpixel1017 while that may be true, my point is that you only get that performance from Intel while plugged in which almost defeats the purpose of being a laptop.
@@ryoc1 bro you can change that, you ll get full performance but battery life is not gon be long enough
@@ryoc1 at the end, there is no winner. Some people, like me, need a laptop to work almost everywhere, and need decent performances ... offered by the Macbook Pro (10 or 20% less doesn't mean that one machine is unusable and the other is a beast). Some people only need a laptop to carry the computer from one electrical plug to another electrical plug, and then maybe the PC is a better choice. And some people are gamers, or work in 3D, and then the PC is the better choice. And some people works in ptotography, or video editing, and then the Mac is the best choice.
At least, we have 2 choices that have their specificities, and no one is better than the other. So everybody will chose regarding its need. That's all folks.
I have no regrets about getting my M2 Max MacBook Pro 💻. It gives the same performance unplugged as plugged in, you cant get that with other laptops.
Because they run faster when plugged in.
@@eaman11 that’s the only thing going for it. You take that laptop of the charger, and it dead within an hour or so depending on what you are doing.
but can you game on that😂
people in this channel are funny...
keep telling the same story and forget that you can have ryzen processors that don't lose much performance on battery while gaining huge performance from dGPU when plugged in
@@SuiTsuan_Ong dont lose much?
Bro you're delusional
I have this exact Razer Blade 16 w/ the 4080. I also have the new 16" M2 Pro MacBook Pro. I think they're both good devices for the price, but the value is different for the Mac vs. the Razer. The Mac is not the fastest device in the world, but it's just so dang convenient and beautiful to use. The Razer isn't the most powerful Windows laptop out there, but it still bundles a lot of performance to go with great build, great design, and surprisingly good thermals for a gaming laptop. I prefer the Mac 85% of the time, but both computers can do things the other can't do, and they complement each other nicely. This Razer 16 is really well-built and should be a great buy for anybody who can afford it.
What most powerful windows laptop?
@@abdulrahmanalruwaili3061Lenovo legion 7 pro with same specs will be better than Razer in performance
In short, you are that rich. You are welcome.
@@eagle_eye_tm7i pro or 7 pro?
@@BedouinSpirit 7pro is top
Switched to apple 2 weeks ago after 30 years on Windows, left my $3500 gaming laptop at home when I moved overseas and never looked back. The battery performance is to good to compete with.
I'm still thinking about joining the bandwagon.....
@@theuncannyepicurean it’s really worth it.
@@s.aintgabriel but how is the OS experience? Is it as simple as windows eg searching for files, transferring files, crack software, etc
I use my MacBook for work and it is an outstanding laptop. I got a desktop gaming PC so I'm not sad that BootCamp was phased out. I'll never go back to using a windows laptop as my primary computer.
@@theuncannyepicurean Takes some getting used to but the OS's are quite similar once you get used to them. Apple is Apple and truly thinks that there IS a wrong way to use their OS. That's the hardest thing to get used to when you switch.
Tested the Razer Blade 16 with the RTX 4090 ($5000 here) recently with Davinci Resolve and compared to my Macbook M1 Max with 32 GPU cores(paid 4000 a year ago).
With most of the projects, 6K footage, lots of compositing, H265 and BRAW mixed, lots of grading, temporal NR etc. my Macbook still performs ever so slightly better in both playback and rendering (4K HDR, H265 or ProRes/DNXHR).
Power consumption on the Razer was around 300W when rendering while 90 on the Macbook.
I wouldn't say it was a mistake at all, at least for us content creators.
Davinci Resolve on Windows or Linux. I would not be surprised things are a lot faster on Linux.
@@Fordance100 used my windows 1080ti machine using Manjaro Linux in the past and it was indeed much faster but also way more stable than Windows running Davinci Resolve.
300W? Damn that's a desktop lol. My ITX build consumes that, and that's a Ryzen desktop CPU. Actually it's around 220W. Around 350W with the GPU.
Can't agree more I was a pc guy... Apple Silicon made me get into Macbook I haven't been happier before this.
Video editing is one of the only things the Mac will beat an equivalent Windows machine on because of the specific encoders they put in the chip
After owning windows laptops for years, and being a college student, I really am tempted to get into macs. The battery life and power efficiency are just so strong. I love my Razer and it's performance, but I get like 4 hours battery life max. Makes it hard to be a college student constantly traveling with a laptop.
Keep your razer for gaming and heavier stuff. Get the cheapest MacBook Air for school. At a low-ish price it’s still 15+ hours of battery life.
get a ryzen laptop....
My whole life I was working on windows either pc or laptop. I never thought those big windows laptop chargers would be so annoying until I switched to Mac, the charger is literally like a phone charger.
Also the power consumption is crazy on windows laptops that you cannot use the laptop not being plugged in.
Those two alone are more than enough to spend little more on mac. Pcs are another story, they are plugged in all the time.
They are both great laptops and both do two different things great. The Razer will be hooked to an external monitor and a mouse plugged in, plus the Mac isn't anywhere close as far as the GPU is concerned. I use a MacBook for my laptop and a high-end gaming PC I built myself for gaming.
I love matte display from factory they are robust and last an eternity I hate glossy reflective displays
This comparison seems to lean more towards user preference, not performance alone. Both architectures have their strengths.
imagine paying 3000 for a "laptop" just to hook it up to an external monitor. Good monitors cost 1000 upwards. what's the point of the 240hz refresh rate if you're not gonna use it?
@@FORBIDCharlie1986 Or more extreme, imagine paying that much for a laptop that only provides the performance once you plug it into the wall socket. Personally, the fact that you get the same performance on a mac regardless of whether you're on battery or wall power, is the biggest win.
I have this exact Razer 16 4080 model and the Razer 16 doesn't work with my Thunderbolt monitor, lol. I don't entirely mind it because I don't need that to work, but sheesh, you'd think Razer/Nvidia would come out with proper drivers.
I'm interested in Blender's interactivity more than rendering. Would be cool to open a heavy animated scene and see what kind of frame rate we get when pressing play.
The thing I like about my M1 MacBook Pro is the fact you get the full performance where ever you go even without a power socket for hours. The Mac wins the portable side of this, if you want the ultimate power or system for gaming and will always use it near a power socket pick the Razer. I think Apple Silicon is the right choice for the MacBook's but it will be interesting to see how the rumoured Apple Silicon Mac Pro works out.
I really, really wish Apple Silicon was a large enough portion of the market for developers to develop games for it. The MacBook pro could be an epic gaming laptop if it had the software support.
@@Piketom1 I read somewhere that besides having to recompile and port the game to ARM, Apple is so persistent to the Metal API, not OpenGL or DirectX, which most games are compatible
@@cameronbosch1213 If you are a Mac user, virtually everyone who uses the computer will do relatively demanding tasks while on battery power. The inability to do anything more demanding than basic office work while on battery was one of the hardest things to get used to when I tried a windows laptop.
@@cameronbosch1213, from what I have read, Macs are meant to run on battery. It"s not a good idea to leave them plugged in while in use. . Keeping them plugged in actually lessens battery life.
@@katseverino1085 Mac has a system in place for years now that learns when you use your laptop. It leaves the laptop at 80% charge the majority of the time and only fully charges right before you typically need it.
On both Blender-tests the graphs say "higher is better" when it shows the time it took for the laptops to finish. It would be fun to see the render times on the Razor unplugged ;p
Yup... HIGHER is never better when measuring computer times.🙃
It depends actually, I tend to keep plugged in my laptop when I work cause I'm not working while on a train or in a coffee shop. So Razor is a win win to me. If you are a person like that you need a MBP otherwise intel is the way to go
Great video guys! It would be great to see a video editing comparison in Resolve/Premiere. I'd be excited to see which one wins in tasks such as noise reduction and timeline performance in 4k/8K sequences. Keep it up!
mac
First thing I'd probably want to know is, what's the projected reliability, how quickly can I get a repair or replacement unit, and what will it cost. Reviews always leave this out but it's all-too-commonly part of using a high performance computer in a tiny package.
well, alienware laptops are 6 weeks in australia.
Am I missing something or was the Windows machine plugged in and the Mac was on battery only. Pretty sure half of those tests would be flipped on their head if the Windows machine was on battery. What wasn't this done?
Because the razer is meant to be plugged in.
@@elementalismproductions so it’s just a small PC, not a real laptop if you need it plugged to get max performance
@@honkai6374 I have a pc laptop that I've used for years. I'm constantly traveling and bringing laptop to shoots, over night video edits and dj sets. A desktop I couldn't fly on planes with. Plugging it in does not make it a desktop. So telling me otherwise is totally missing the point.
@@honkai6374 It’s significantly easier to travel with in comparison to a desktop and monitor combo. Plus, that is quite literally the point of the Razer laptop: to be a desktop replacement.
@恋うHonkai desktop replacement, but yes your correct.
Windows mobile gaming/high performance laptops all are meant to be plugged-in in order to take complete advantage of its performance
The fact that the Macbook can perform this good without needing to be chained to a power outlet and no fan noise, the Macbook is simply outclassing the Razer. I use a 3070 Razer 16 for gaming and a 2021 Macbook Pro 16 for FCP.
The Razor isn’t a ‘laptop’ in the same way that Apple silicon MacBooks are. It’s essentially a desktop machine that is packaged in laptop form, while the MBP is actually viably usable on the go.
The Razor isn't much heavier than the Macbook. The Macs main advantage is energy efficiency, but what number of places would you want to pull out your $3500 computer for a lengthy time and not have the option of a power outlet.
@@blkspade23 I have both, and yes, the Blade 16 is much heavier than the MacBook, and the combination of the power brick + the laptop is much, much heavier than the MacBook + charger, especially considering the MacBook doesn't even need the stock 140W charger and will function perfectly fine on a tiny travel USB-C charger for most uses. And even if you don't have access to power, you can connect it to a power bank. Blade 16 really needs the wall power all the time.
I tried Razer laptops once, had an out of box CPU fan issue on first startup where it was spinning and catching something. Sounded like putting a small coin in an empty can and shaking it around. That was ok as I understand faults happen across manufacturers but the customer service of Razer was shockingly bad and they took forever to respond and provide a resolution. They even tried to get me to send it back for repair, I had to fight to get them to just replace the machine as it was brand new. Eventually I just demanded a refund which still took them 3 weeks complete. After that experience I made sure to avoid them. Having seen other users complaints and praise across the internet, seems most praise comes from the US and most negative experiences come from Europe so Razer needs to sort out their European side.
Max tech, the 4090 and 4070 version of the 16 inch has a Dual UHD+FHD+ Mini-LED display, and and up to 1,000 nits very similar to the macbook pro’s display.
Except the Razer Blade has almost no ghosting artifacts. I have both right here. M1 Max 16" and i9/4090 16". Razer Blade's workflow is better & faster. The screen on the Blade is much much much better. 240hz/120hz. Also almost no ghosting at all while the Macbook is a smeary mess.
@@Neekzu that's interesting, is it the reason in polarizing filters? Because mac has more diming zones 2500 vs 1000
@@Neekzu Question: Why wouldn't you have purchased a desktop PC and OLED display since you also have the MacBook pro? I also use both a blade and a MacBook pro 16. I use the blade in lieu of bootcamp on the Mac since that is not a viable option anymore.
@@Piketom1 I don't like desktop PC's anymore. They are bulky big, not portable and not compact. Yes I know you can build a mini ITX system but that's still no solution. It's also the aesthetic I don't enjoy anymore. Laptops are simply portable, flat and have almost no footprint on my desk. I will sell the Macbook as I basically have no use for it anymore. Will probably get a very basic 14" Macbook in the future. Keeping the Blade and get an ultrawide OLED display. Ultrawide works much better for me than 4K 144hz 32". The problem with ultrawide OLED right now is the subpixel layouts and the the rather "low" resolution.
@@arsenmryts1146 No. it’s the slowness of the MacBook’s screen. They’ve always been slow.
Man, Thanks for testing the Figma, This is so crucial for most of the Developers and Designers.
Because you are very few channels in the world that think that not everyone edits videos on the Mac for potential Windows user buyers
Agreed. I would have liked to see them run a prototype with the laptops to see how quickly it took to generate the prototypes.
Also, saw that they ran Figma I browser. Would like to see performance in the native app.
How important is Figma for developers? You only use it for mockup reference, nothing more(For the front end). By the way, you're really stretching it when you say most developers.
@@malekith6522 I think the original commenter meant front-end developers. Even then, I can see the case that "most" would be a tough case to sell.
@@gomarky exactly my point ...
Yes I wanted to mention about front-end developers.
Great Video! Noticed that the Lightroom classic test chart says 'Higher is better' when the 'Razor' (misspelled from Razer) was higher, but I believe that it was meant to say lower is better. Also, the Macbook was not plugged in, and I'm assuming not on it's High Power Mode which gives it the top possible performance. Not exactly fair against windows laptop that would have dropped all performance by 50% or more if it was also unplugged.
this is a great comparison thanks guys for sharing this kind.
In the GeekBench test, the MacBook used GeekBench 5 while the Razer used GeekBench 6, hence the significant difference in single core performance.
The test methodology is BS. Not the same version used and one computer is on battery while the other is bypassing the battery...so stupid
yeah, no idea why geekbench is still present in laptops reviews. Anyway, the i9 it is obviously much faster than M2 in single and multi, though I think that letting a mobile cpu hit 150W (soething like that) is just insanity. Intel should have limited the cpu at 90-110W or something like that, it is still a lot but it is much more efficient, probably loosing only 10% of perf.
@@philippemiller4740 Mac performs the same on battery, Razer doesn't.
So both are at the same level in that regard for a max performance test.
@@mastroitek M2 is barely 50w. On battery power I'd be interested to see the results. And yeah fuck geekbench to see real world results.
@@amex4453 What's the point of testing a portable device when it's plugged into the wall outlet? The point is to be portable, on the go, away from a wall no?
You're right that if the mac was plugged in also it wouldn't change the performance results much.
Now run all the tests again with both unplugged and then do an equal and fair comparison.
A lot of the benchmark score shots said "higher is better" when lower was actually better
Maybe try testing on equal footing? Either plug them both in or unplug both. Laptops (especially windows) perform better when plugged in.
Not a big fan of Razer laptops. Everyone I know who has one, always had issues with it. I prefer Asus for Windows laptops. Their build quality is fantastic, and never had an issue with an Asus product. Although, for your next test, I'd definitely would want to see the comparison between the AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS with the M2 Pro or the AMD Ryzen 7945HX with the M2 Max, specifically on battery life comparison. AMD is claiming 30+ hours of battery life. The 2023 Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 with the Ryzen 9 7940HS and RTX 4090 is running on a 100W USB-C power supply. Not sure what kind of witchcraft AMD are using to get that kind of performance out of a 100W power supply, while similar Intel i9 builds need a nuclear reactor to run.
Interesting. I always had problems with my Asus laptops, from fans cranking maximum speed nonstop, glitchy displays and terrible screen bleed. My Blade 14 purrs like a kitten
Asus is my go to brand 👍.
It's not witchcraft, most people don't understand what we're dealing with here.
1) Apple has vertically stacked their ecosystem, it's very easy to get better battery/ performance when you control all the hardware/software
2) Apple has always purchased a node ahead of AMD, so with 40% more transistors on a smaller node, this isn't rocket science
3) Windows is cursed. There's a version with all telemetry removed, and it literally almost doubled my battery life moving over, and reduced ram usage by something like 40%
Hey MaxTech I would’ve really hoped you compared the Mini LED Razer 16 to the MacBook Pro instead of IPS version. Even Dave2D who is a MacBook Pro user said it was a gorgeous display.
But the price is probably much higher than macbook. :)
He wanted to compare similarly priced and specced machines. the Mini LED version is way more expensive than the MacBook.
@@unique93obr well then you can’t really compared a windows machine to a MacBook based on budget can you? Obviously, apple can make their machines cheaper due to apple silicon while razer is using NVIDIA and Intel parts which cost way more. I reckon the better way of doing it is comparing what a specced out (besides anything like storage and ram) Razer Blade 16 vs MacBook Pro 16 can do. But then again, there is no such thing as fair comparison if price is considered.
@@staray1282 you're blaming Apple for being more efficient in building their laptops? 🤦♂️
@@SunsetNova No I'm not blaming Apple. Not only am I impressed by Apple but I'm also grateful that they were able to provide such good laptops.
However, I was just curious whether a top spec windows machine would have a Mini-LED that matches the Apple one. That was all, cuz nobody is making this comparison. Also, if a top spec windows machine has a better screen, that is quite an achievement too, regardless of price. Because it is not like there will be any upgrade in screen on a top spec macbook pro vs a medium spec.
Just wanted to say thanks for putting that flashing warning before the web browsing test. I love that you have that there and appreciate it.
Both laptops are pretty great, and I would be happy with both. Looking forward to seeing some more comparisons in the future!
What grinds my gears is that multiple times the caption of the comparison stated (wrong) that higher is better, while the opposite was correct.
Apple silicon is the way forward. Exactly u mentioned razer needs so much power. Which may heat up much easier hence shortening its lifespan.
The "garbage" screen is because you compared the IPS panel option of the Razer instead of the miniLED option that you might have failed to mention in the video.
This is the comment I was looking for. this renders the review for display as absolute trash.
Pretty late to mention this but in some of the graphs it said "Higher is better" even when it's the opposite
Long time Windows user here, but almost certainly getting a MacBook Pro as my next laptop, simply for the quieter operation and the insane battery life. That's the value proposition of Apple Silicon, and until NVidia and Intel or AMD can come up with a GPU/CPU combination that can run for >12 hours on a single charge, MacBooks are going to make more sense for people shopping for laptops.
4:59 There is a mini-LED option for the Razer Blade 16, but it costs a lot more.
Not really. They don't have a 4080 model with the MiniLED screen. They have a cheaper 4070 model and a more expensive model with a 4090 that has the MiniLED option
@@crestofhonor2349 Weird, but true.
@@crestofhonor2349 this why i havent bought into razer.
weird variants
always have compromise.
You should’ve tested Razer Blade 16 with 4090 and Mini-LED. Not the same price range tho, but feels more fair to compare with similar specs
Yea but then it isnt fair because it isnt the same proce
It would be fair to run tests when BOTH of them disconnected from electric outlet, since it's not so hard to get much more TFLOPS if your TDP in 3-5 times higher. I'm mostly PC's (Linux) user but have to stand, that the only area where PCs is really shine (and this Razor as well) - that's amount of labels on the laptop body. But, possibly, Razor should add couple of extra ones, on top, bottom and maybe little one in a corner of touchpad (/sarcasm). MacBook Pro is the winner in this comparison, without any doubts.
That would have been an interesting test. I think we all know that the Mac is MUCH more efficient. Though the reviewer did refer to the Razor as a mobile desktop, and reviewed it as such.
Plugin-in does make sense as in office or at home, most people can plugin for majority of time.
@@XYang2023 No. Even if you are at home, having to have your laptop plugged in all the time is super inconvenient. So many people like to take their laptops around the house, at a kitchen table, on the sofa, or even outside on a patio and running a cable is super annoying. Also, a laptop is supposed to be portable, to be taken on the road or plane, etc. If you want to be plugged in, it makes no sense to get a laptop.
@@77dris I would disagree at least for me as if I am away from desk, I use my phone and on my desk, I use an external monitor. It is just more productive.
comparing unplugged Mac is not keeping things consistent. plug the mac in and let’s see the results.
Still my favorite channel. Thank you for the content!
1. on windows machines, you don't need to press the trackpad for the left and right click, 1-finger and 2-finger tap do the work.
2. About the display differences, MacBooks have a Mini-LED display (great for higher contrast ratio than LCD-LED), whereas the Razer has a traditional LCD LED display.
3. You shouldn't compare SRGB (which defines the color space the display is capable of producing) to Mini-LED display, they are different things entirely.
These are good points. But I also hate tap-to-click with a passion. Just had to say that. ;)
Both MacOS and Windows support tap to click, it's what I use on MacOS and Windows. It's so much quicker than pushing down to click whether it's Solid state or diving board.
Also the Razer has a MiniLED model he just didn't pick it up. It's a 4K screen with fewer dimming zones though, I believe around 1000 and it claims to have around 100% DCI-P3 just like the MBP
Re: the trackpad. I have a theory that builders of high end, high performance windows laptops don't put as much effort into the trackpad because they expect most users to use it as a secondary input. If you are already carrying around a large power supply, then a wireless mouse is not that much more to put in your bag.
@@Piketom1 I don't think that's the reason. But personally I'd rather use a mouse over any trackpad so I always bring one around when using a laptop
Yes, he/they should learn how to run tests, one should use a scientific approach rather than random opinion/facts. I have no idea, maybe he was in a rush or something, but this video felt like a disaster after the other (different geekbench version (test that it is in my opinion completely useless anyway), did not specify the browser used for speedometer 2.1, misses points about trackpads, somehow manages to compare srgb with a display technology, figma test was inaccurate)
How come the Razor got to be plugged in and the Mac did not? Would love to see these tests with both on battery and again with both plugged in.
Because the razor will lose up to 2/3 of its performance on battery depending on the task.
The MacBook Pro performs very similarly, plugged and unplugged. It's incredible.
Exactly lol. If that razor was unplugged it would have gotten smoked in every single test
Not even close 😂
Max needs to talk about response time of the display. On the macbook it is just so bad that you cannot make use of the resolution as everything becomes blurry with the sightest motion.
Razer Mic and webcam are fine. The MacBook and Razor laptop both sound muffled, and less than ideal, but the Razor was clearer and captured the voice more loudly.
You have to go under razers software to unlock the full power, it looks like you were using the balanced profile. Because in cinebench the razer can use 100+ watts sustained.
I'd like to see the razor unplugged for the same tests. Does it hold the same results?
Definitely not due to power limit on battery on x86 laptops. This is where Apple Silicon shines.
Pity, there were no test results without the laptop plugged in. Interested video
for Blender you should use bigger files already because of the time of loading in data in Mac is faster but actually Optic win the current Metal by 100x in many occasions...which is sad because I bought an M1 Pro
As usual Apple does things right, the right balance between power, consumption and functionality .... but I would like that Razer brute force freak show instead of my gaming PC.
It will be curious to see what will happen when we finally put aside the x86 architecture, even if the stone guest who now dominates is of course nVidia, by now even 3d rendering is CUDA core stuff... only video editing is missing .
Let's also not forget that while the razer laptop is faster the Apple laptop also kept up while consuming well under half as much power.
It looks like the apple wasn't even plugged in... and still kept up
and please make your tests without power cables. And show all benchmark results with and without power cable connected, so we know performance on battery.
Now do all the tests over with the razer unplugged, and show battery levels as the tests go on
Thanks been looking for this comparison. Finnally made the jump to mac. Will miss gaming but for my work photography and videography the mac is really nice. Shame that my laptop mouse doesn't work on m2 though.... Strange...
Get the logitech Mx Master 3s
I love matte display from factory they are robust and last an eternity I hate glossy reflective displays
a usb mouse doesnot work on mac??
Have you tried using a usb-usbc adapter to plug in your mouse receiver?
I have M2 MBP and can connect a non-Apple mouse and keyboard, but I ended up using my old wired Mac keyboard using an adapter.
@@kathyburgess9943 , Mx Master 3s is amazing using USB adapter connection not Bluetooth.
The track pad is a deal breaker for me. There is no way I’d ever get past that. Other than buying an Apple track pad…
If the Mac performs better on battery, the question is: do you really notice the advantage in GPU performance for content creation on the Razor if you’re not running benchmarks?
Really appreciate the comparison head to head is my favorite thing and your explanation is a good point. The two devices are my favorites yet expensive devices exist. For portability Macbook is the absolute winner with its durable battery and the performance getting better with an improved ARM chipset, cool.
The big issue with the macbook is that you can't change the SSD + Memory , for this reason I would prefer the Razer although I love Macbooks
I think the reason the memory can’t be changed is because it is shared between the cpu and gpu, and part of the same silicon, so processes have less distance to travel. If it was mounted on the motherboard separately, the performance wouldn’t be as good. But I do wish Apple wouldn’t charge so much for the extra memory, or perhaps if they made all machines with the same memory hardware, with perhaps paid firmware activation to increase capacity at a later date.
I love how you totally skipped over a battery and power efficiency section. You used the windows laptop while plugged in, and the macbook on battery.
Everything you did as a test after that was not 1:1
It is really ridiculous how efficient is MBP with M chips. I mean the difference between laptop and desktop is the portability. If I buy a 3500$ dollar laptop I want to use it without charge and be able to hold it everywhere i sit, If can't its better to buy a desktop pc.
Even in perfomance MBP is in a whole another level in every day task and workflows
It comes down to Arm vs. X86, as well as different production nodes. The Apple silicone is in principle, a massively oversized phone chip and the I9 a proper PC cpu
@@kalle5548 In 2023, PCs will often have a production node advantage compared to Mac, as both Nvidia and AMD will have 4nm products. We'll see if that actually results in being able to match Apple.
Wait a minute…. Was the Razor plugged into power during the tests? Plugged in Razor vs battery powered MacBook?
Funny how you didn't mention one of the major selling points of the razer is it's dual mini-led display that lets you switch to lower refresh rate and higher resolution for "content creation" instead of pure gaming. Also, razer let's you customize the fan profile to crank even more power out of it. Razer is targeting this for gamers, and these two features are far more desirable for most gamers like myself than better speakers and trackpad. This also isn't the best spec razer laptop, and considering how common sales are on windows laptops vs. mac's, I wouldn't be surprised if in a few months a 4090 razer was expensive as the m2 max. These comparisons have some use, but honestly these machines are for different people. As a gamer , I'd be disappointed with the m2 max as id feel like all that power was wasted.
As a gamer you should buy a PC and not a laptop that has to be plugged in 90% of the time
@@phoenix212 you have no clue of what you're talking about
I use a razer blade 15 2019 for work and then can come home plug it into my 34 inch ultrawide gaming setup and chill. Best of both worlds for me
This is not a dual-resolution LED display, but a WQHD and 2.5k IPS display. In order to get the best version, you should pay more, and this is already a significant difference in price. Although, then the display would undoubtedly be an advantage for Razar, since color reproduction would no longer be a weak point.
You’re absolutely correct, I have both and the Razer runs like a literal volcano - battery bulging due to the heat issues. The fan is loud af too.
Performance also throttles when it gets hot (which it will) so you’ll never get the advertised performance unless you literally place it on top of an AC facing up - Fan platforms / laptop stand barely helps.
Gaming Laptop is just some marketing oxymoron bs
Build your own Desktop PC and use a MacBook (Pro) for a laptop
Would have loved to have seen the unplugged scores on the Windows laptop
A few of the labels are incorrect “high is better” for times in blender and Lightroom.
I'm really curious why hasn't anyone started testing the maximum number of [video/graphic/blender/whatever] exporting tasks a fully charged battery can run? This kind of information is much practical for some people who would consider purchasing these two laptops.
It would be interesting to see the comparison with the Mac plugged in on high power mode.
It is like a phone when it is plugged in and when it is not. In fact, there is no particular difference. It is an arm device
The Windows machine has very good microphone(s). I'm not a gamer so I would lean more towards the Apple 16" laptop.
You didn't buy a portable computer for microphones.
Yes it’s significantly more expensive but I wish you had compared it with the 4090 version with MiniLED
Great comparison! Thinking of trying some Amd 7x CPUs as well?
I'm surprised you didn't get the 4K MiniLED model with a 4070 for the comparison. That display would be far more comparable to the current display on the MacBook Pro. Also you should test it with a 100w USB C power supply as it does support USB C PD
It would be a lot more price gap no?
@@andrewdhome I think it's close enough. They can't change if a laptop has shared memory or not. There is no perfect layout. Max tech is simply using this spec for the price and making a comparison from that.
tried the mini led on the 4090 version.
Wasn't really too impressed. Lots of blooming and colormanagement on Windows is a whole mess. Everything is completely oversaturated unless you'd use a sRGB clamping tool
This is unfortunate but so true. Lr and Ps in Windows are trash, I spent more time troubleshooting than doing actual work.
exactly, same with Davinci Resolve.
Windows for games and 3D work. Mac for photo and video editing.
If you set razor to boost mode, cinebench score will be up to 30k
At 7:33 you’re running the performance benchmark with the Mac unplugged to power and the Razor is plugged in. Totally different if you run this test with both machines not plugged to power.
irrelevant. You buy a razer to game on. If you want to sit at a coffee shop for 8 hrs, you get the mac.
Interesting video,I personally feel they both have their advantages,While the razor was faster on most,The MacBook has advantages like you said for the build quality which makes it worth it!.Personally I feel it just depends on what you need the laptop for at this point and how much you can spend!.
The tests are fake. The real power of the Razer should be seen when tests are done while unplugged. Cause we saw in all the videos, that once the windows laptops are unpluged, they lower their cpu + gpu and get very bad scores. So winner by all means: The Macbook.
@@mariuscamenita9643 That lack of performance on battery power is down to two factors. Intel and NVIDIA are years behind Apple in terms of power efficiency and the fact that there is a limit to how much power you can safely pull from a lithium ion battery. If the razer ran at full performance on battery life, you'd be lucky if it didn't start a fire before the battery was depleted.
@@mariuscamenita9643 I don’t use my laptop unplugged when doing high intensity workflows. Even on M1.
@@mariuscamenita9643 Exactly theses tests are bullshit. Battery only vs wall plugged computer c'mon that's so stupid.
@@abubakrakram6208 That's why this test is BS. windows laptops need to be plugged in to be competitive. Shame on this video's host for not adressing or disclosing this during the video.
Love how the mac went through the tests on battery power! Wonder how the razer would have performed on battery power?!
It would do at least 50% worse guaranteed
Notice how one is plugged in and the other does well unplugged
I have the MacBook M1 Pro 14”. Best computer I’ve ever used. I have had both Windows and other MacBooks
Razer’s design and performance while plugged in feels as premium as a MacBook
But you have to be plugged in. If you want a high performance laptop, the MacBook pro is a true laptop. I can actually do real work while on the go because you still get 6 - 8 hours of battery life while doing demanding tasks. My M1 pro 16" MacBook pro also gets up to 20 hours of usable battery life while doing ultrabook tasks so it is like having two computers in one.
@@robertleidner9703 says’s the one that doesn’t use razer, you might have tried out an old 2017 razer which wasn’t really good, but if you were to try it you would have know.
Performance GPU wise 4090 laptop GPU is the same as a DESKTOP 3090,
The same 3090 that BEAT THE M1 ULTRA on gpu
@@robertleidner9703 It’s 2023 gamers don’t care about performance per watt, we don’t care about a RTX 4090 taking 500 watts of power, as long as we can beat anyone else
@@flamingkillermc2806 I've owned several razer laptops including a 2022 Blade 15 advanced right now. I completely agree with others who are saying that Razer is not on the same level as Apple in terms of build quality.
@@robertleidner9703 Your probably the same people that said “stage manager needs an M1 chip for ipad pros”
But then SLAPPP apple added it on older one 😂😂😂😂
So you've tested MBP unplugged and RB16 plugged? I would rather see how fast it is on equal terms.
MacBooks perform the same plugged in or unplugged.
@@johalun that's the entire point. This should be mentioned that RB16 will have significantly lower performance if it gets unplugged.
@@johalunits about the Razer being unplugged, you know the point of a portable Laptop
Also Max: Running the Razer with the AC adapter on the whole time 😂
Thanks for the comparison. But could you please double check the graphs and the numbers as in most videos there always seems to be incorrect info displayed. For example the Lightroom test says higher is better but clearly less time is better.
For those interested in true Geekbench 6 results (yes Geekbench 6 is available for Windows AND macOS and should have been used on both machines) - my M2 Max tested Single-Core 2674, Multi-Core 14597.
So when you approach these data points from an honest view point - the i9 is not that impressive when compared to the Apple Silicon, however the M2's power efficiency, battery life, and consistent performance completely destroys the Razer. To answer the big question - when you balance out where Apple Silicon dominates with where it is minimally less competitive the answer is clear - Apple Silicon is NOT a mistake.
Glad someone else posted this. Not sure what was happening with the single core benchmark on the Mac in the video but it was 25% slower than it should have been. My 16" M2 Max 38 core is around the same as yours.
why would apple silicon be a mistake? apple wouldn't push the i9 to its true performance because they dislike fan noise so its better that they pick something else so you aren't paying $3k for a slow laptop
You cant really compare these two. One is a gaming focus. Other is music and photo editing. Also, are you using the same browsers for any of these tests? What happens if you try it on different browsers?
You can compare these two because they are cross shopped with various professions. There’s more out there than just photo editing and gaming.
If I do a speedometer test on Safari on an Mac Mini with M1 i get 360. If I use Chrome, the result is around 303. So quite big difference.
I love matte display from factory they are robust and last an eternity I hate glossy reflective displays
the pc is just as good at photo editing if not a lot faster on the export but also plays games and has a real high refresh screen. so if your comparing them on anything except performance on battery the PC is obviously better. It doesnt matter what browser you have on PC, you can have 10 browsers if you want. also, unlike this video would have you believe, the mini led screen is literally available on a lot of gaming laptops this year, and you can choose regular ips or mini led.
when you went to webacm/mic test i didn't know you even switched the microphone
15:02 there's a mistake. It says "higher is better", but actually lower is better (less time taken).
I wonder how performance would look if Apple kept using Intel CPU’s and AMD GPU’s
Worse. Apple Silicon is perfect for what Apple wants out of a laptop. Even the last intel powered 16" MacBook pro ran hot, loud, and had disappointing battery life in many circumstances. Apple Silicon sacrificed a lot of X86 app compatibility but for those who NEED a Mac, M series computers are massive improvements. The other thing we should keep in mind is that during this entire comparison, the Mac is running on battery power. No windows computer can compete with the efficiency of Apple Silicon.
Better. Their chips are faster. It would be hotter and louder and shorter. But yes, faster.
@@abubakrakram6208 slower for productive apps such as Lightroom, Photoshop, After Effects, Davinci Resolve, Final Cut etc.
Only better for anything 3D-related.
Great comparison. I woud sugest battery vs battery test!
Man when we switched to the razor webcam I almost cut my phone off lol
I have both, clearly power brick itself and battery life / unplugged wins.
Looks like you compared Geekbench 5.5 on the Mac to 6.0 on the PC. The scores aren’t comparable as they have a different baseline they’re relative to.
Also, I would love to see one of these side by side comparisons done entirely unplugged from start to finish. If the PC can’t make it through the slate of tests and the MacBook can… well, that’s a result worth knowing, too.
Some of the tests you ran demonstrate operational differences between CISC and RISC architecture. Reviewers need to keep this in mind and many appear to have shallow understanding of it.
As programs such as Blender evolve to include RISC smoothness others will as well. For gaming however, the industry is geared to x86 and the M Macs make no claims to be gaming machines. Indeed Mac never catered for gamers, presumably for their own reasons but an interesting fact known to we senior citizens is that the early modular power Macs could run the games of long ago and were used by designers of ever advanced games (notably in the UK) which transitioned to the big gaming rigs people tended to like to build themselves or have built and these used x86.
As a non-gamer in a household of gaming fanatics (mostly now having flown the nest) I understood and enjoyed the tech behind big rigs -- but always glanced at our electricity bills!
MacBook’s are laptops optimized for portability, battery life, and consistent performance regardless of whether it’s plugged in or running on battery. There’s nothing comparable in the Windows laptop world.
If you want a desktop replacement that you can take with you, then Windows is the way to go.
Can you run the test with the laptop being unplugged I wanna see a fair test it’s a laptop. Most people don’t always have a plug connection on the go.
If you want the most powerful laptop get the windows.. but if you need power both plugged and unplugged get the mac
Where are the video editing and export tests? Did I miss it? Would still go with real life results rather than benchmark /synthetic tests. Thanks Maxtech!
You guys should do a 2 tests just for fun. In one windows laptop is wired and in other its unplugged lol.
I want to know what the results would be if the razor was unplugged and running on battery like the MacBook, how much would the performance suffer?
the cpu will be fine however nvidia gpu wil be off and will use iris igpu instead.
with x86 you should only unplugging for normal daily use
I get where your coming form but people in real world terms won’t buy a laptop to have to have it plugged in all the time. Generally speaking it’s because of the portability, that’s the whole point of having a laptop. If the performance drops as much as we’ve seen in the past with windows laptops then for me it wouldn’t be worth getting something like the razor over the MacBook, the gains while it’s plugged in just wouldn’t be worth the inconvenience where as the MacBook stays incredibly consistent whether or not it’s plugged in
@@jacobchalkley5071 Both laptops will run out of battery very quickly when running resource intensive programs, it doesn’t matter since both have to be plugged in anyways.
@@Ben21756 I couldn’t disagree more, I would say to most people it would matter a great deal. Also yes they would both run out of battery eventually but based on tests that Max Tech has done before the MacBook would most likely last a great deal longer than the razor. If I remember correctly windows laptops tend to last a couple of hours where as the MacBook lasts a lot longer and as I said before is much more consistent than the windows, with the windows laptops you have to keep them plugged in to get the full performance from them which is a bit ridiculous when you consider that the Apple Silicon MacBooks generally stay very consistent on battery and last a great deal longer. I would much rather pay less and in my opinion get a lot more back overall.
@@jacobchalkley5071 Try running 3D modelling and rendering software, at best you only get 1 hour and a half battery life with Apple Silicon Mac...
I had the older razer 17 pro and hated the thing. It was hot, lasted about 4 hours on battery when it wasn't being buggy and activating the GPU, which it seemed to always do, so was lucky to get 2 hours on battery. It was also a stuttery mess while on battery. Then the already crappy trackpad started bugging out and now it thinks its already detected a finger on the pad so it will start doing swipe gestures when you try to use it.
I tried to get razer to help with a replacement trackpad but because its outside warranty now they don't want to touch it or send a part and because it's not a super common version of the razer laptop I can't find a used part...
I switched to an m2 max 16" macbook pro and it's so much better it's not even funny. Screen, speakers, trackpad, keyboard, battery life, weight, speed, heat etc... are all sooooo much better.
This is my first mac and I'm still getting used to OSX, but for everything but gaming I'd recommend people go with the mac. Having said that I have loaded up a few games on my mac and they ran just fine. I was playing Kerbal space program for hours on battery only, the fans barely came on and the performance was great!
I had the same experience when I had a 2019 Blade 17. The battery life was terrible and the performance from the mobile i7 and 2080 was underwhelming to say the least.
Did I miss it or it just wasn't in the video? I'm wondering what's the unplugged performance difference for the razer compared to the Mac?
Would be interested to see if the laptop’s speed gets throttled, to save battery power, when unplugged. It does seem like a very unbalanced comparison. Some of those charts should have read ‘lower is better’ by the way. 🙂