No, Disney Didn't Make Rogue 'Woke'
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I would be fascinated to see the metrics of views when a title has the word "woke" in it vs ones that don't. I think it's been pretty well established that outrage, faux or otherwise, tends to drive clicks. That's depressing, because greed will end up destroying us, assuming it hasn't already.
When people talk about a game called Stella blade Anti-woke it is, and the same people, complaint, toxic and horrendous and controversial. MJ Spider-Man two face model sending death threat these people need to go to therapy.
I find it ironic they criticize overly sexualized characters and then put their sexualized versions on the thumbnails.
@@hunterpdx7061 it has already destroyed us, we are just waiting for the corpse to realize it's dead...
@@PramkLunawho criticized over sexualized characters? The only criticism is towards the manosphere red-pilled idiots that take anything that isn't made only for their gaze as an attack.
As long as Rogue and Gambit are still cartoonish southern stereotypes with a fun and flirty vibe, it's gonna feel like 90s X-men to me.
FACTSSSS!
Well…
@@patchworkfaceirlakaaltacco1126 I got one episode of what I was looking for. Looks like just the one.
@@Scaryspider555what?
Yes
1. X-Men have always been the definition of woke
2. Rogue was only caked up for 2 seconds of the original series. If you watch that episode or any episode, she isn't that thick. Jean is regularly depicted as thicker than Rogue throughout the show.
Also, Rogue was literally raised by two women who took her in after she ran away from home and became her foster mothers.
And she was the confidant of Northstar before he came out.
I’d say she was already high up there on the “woke” scale.
@@christopherbennett5858well we all know that grifters don't realy know about anything :)
I would say from giant size xmen and afterward, but that's the best xmen comics.
@@IwonaKlich and they’re not interested in knowinf
@@christopherbennett5858She also has powers that have been used as an allegory of HIV multiple times.
I'm glad that you tend to be the voice of reason because I am genuinely so sick of seeing even the most minor things being labeled as 'woke' just to farm clicks.
Some the stuff these ppl have called "woke" has both pissed me off & made me laugh at the same time. Its crazy.
@HishamA.N_Comicbroe yeah, its genuinely both funny and sad. Like, seriously, they were whining about Nebula wearing a shirt in a Guardians 3 poster. How am I supposed to take em seriously? 😭
Agreed.
And it creeps up everywhere. As a fellow Lego fan, I find it exhausting when I encounter “wOkE” over anything from the Everyone Is Awesome set or Queer Eye, or even some of the random minifigs.
Speaking as a cis white middle-aged male, I find it exhausting how endlessly so many of my cohort cling to their fallacious narrative.
As to this “redesign,” it’s not as if every show will have refreshes or that styles and trends can change. Never mind the creative process itself. But, no. It’s woke. They’re stealing my cartoon porn.
How come my Lego women don’t have curves? Ewww, minidolls are terrible. Must be woke, too.
@TheIronWaffle it's genuinely sad to see. Obviously not everything is gonna appeal to everyone, but just because something doesn't appeal to their tastes doesnt make it woke. Literal manchildren.
I feel the same way
When your show overtly explores the idea of a superpowered persecuted group experiencing bigotry and all you can think about is one character's ass size. Clearly the un-woke have their priorities straight.
And the comics took of once they became the civil rights minority metaphor they never stopped being. its literally what gave the xmen their identity
@@marocat4749 Yeah, before then it was “okay, affluent socially passing children of the 60’s, I’m going to train you to police our kind. Don’t let anyone know of our special school in the suburbs”. It was less like the imagined battle of King vs Malcolm X a lot of people thing it was and more the conflict between Israeli Prime ministers; Begin and Ben-Gurion.
Who would’ve thought that adding characters of different races, classes, faiths, disabilities, national origins, orientations and presentations would propel the analogous nature of the franchise than just beating each other into being more presentable.
@@christopherbennett5858 Honestly its , yes doing deverse characters and exploring that might do that. How that can add a lot to each other. I mean with decent character writing at least diverse charaacters playing off each other do that?!
@@marocat4749 I mean, a lot of the student classes have that happen.
Although the mileage can vary when bigotry occurs between the students.
Seriously, academy x was insane. Poor Dust having to put up with Surge.
We do!
Rogue's in the 90's animated series was never that caked up outside of that *one* specific shot that everybody keeps sharing.
As long as Rogue is having to deal with Mystique (and maybe Destiny) as the biggest helicopter parenting situation, I’m going to feel right at home.
If we’re having to deal with the Rogue/gambit love life where all of Gambits exes, wives and the like keep popping up, we’re back.
Folks overact do much that they only judge things by the trailer when it wasn’t even released to the public yet.
@@GaidenDS10 Yeah.
Meanwhile, there’s me happy as all heck because of a newspaper clipping that showed Dust and Stacy X.
She was also A LOT bustier....she lost 2 cup sizes in favor of that weird UNI-boob
Omg so me I scram when I saw nature girl 😆 hopefully she's just not a one time cameo @@christopherbennett5858
Isn't it bizarre the antiwoke want to protect the chldren from groomers yet at the same time complain when childrens cartoon characters aren't sexualized? Bunch of weirdos.
puppet of n.o.m agenda
It's either projecting or them wanting their cake and eating it too (no pun intended).
For people like this comment 😂 we all different opinions. Some like the fact they show women with curves figures. Others want them flat with no breasts or hips or even butt. Some like skin tight uniforms, others like the loose clothes. Different Storks.! I like the Black Uniforms of X Men.
@@sophiawilson8696 Yes. But these are adults complaining about fictional characters. Not real women, _fictional characters._
The same adults who flip their lids when said fictional characters get a rainbow colour scheme or whatever. A buzzcut. Normal body proportions. Oh noes, Princess Peach wears pants! The horror!
Because then it magically becomes grooming and woke brainwashing. Evil.
So it's not about preferences and opinions. It's about the hypocritical outrage and fake moral panic behind it. They don't care that children get exposed to sexualized content, they just get angry when it's the kind of sexuality that doesn't cater to them. They want their escapism to be filled with gravity-defying quadruple-D submissive heterosexual boobs with nipple tassels for armour.
I just think it's truly sad that their entire selfworth hinges on the fact whether or not they can still get a boner from the cartoons and toys of their childhood.
Bunch of weirdos. Buy a Porsche or whatever is hip today, download some hentai, and get your midlife crisis over with already.
@@sophiawilson8696 Yes. But these are adults complaining about fictional characters. Not real women, _fictional characters._
The same adults who flip their lids when said fictional characters get a rainbow colour scheme or whatever. A buzzcut. Normal body proportions. Oh noes, Princess Peach wears pants! The horror! Because then it magically becomes grooming and woke brainwashing. Evil.
So it's not about preferences and opinions. It's about the hypocritical outrage and fake moral panic behind it. They don't care that children get exposed to sexualized content, they just get angry when it's the kind of sexuality that doesn't cater to them. They want their escapism to be filled with gravity-defying quadruple-D submissive heterosexual b**bs with tassels for armour.
I think it's truly sad that their entire selfworth hinges on the fact whether or not they can still get a boner from the cartoons and toys of their childhood. Bunch of weirdos. Buy a Porsche or whatever is hip today, download some h*ntai, and get your midlife crisis over with already.
These people have no right to call themselves “true film critics” when they call a show dead-on-arrival because a characters ass is slightly less hyper-sexualized lmao
I’m glad you made a video on this topic, it’s a nice icebreaker from the sheer chaos of the discourse surrounding this show
yeah this is a nice little appetiser ahead of the more serious discussion ahead
Wait, that’s what this was about? When I saw the video title I thought they changed her pronouns, gave her polyamorous, or said she would do land acknowledgment in every episode. Was this really over an ass?!
They do it to influence opinion. Trump did this while in office by saying if he didn't win, the election was rigged, and then used any opportunity to make real events fit that pre-established narrative. It's the challenge of dealing with people who are sociopathic and don't mind lying and manipulating, or are too dumb and socially conditioned to realize they are. Or they feel it's justified because this is a "culture war," that they see as a genuine threat, instead of the root causes (capitalism; heirarchy). Notice how the anti-woke people don't use the big C word (capitalism), only little c (corporations), because then it's a matter of replacing the leadership with people like them, and all is well again, even if that's not actually true. It's about hierarchy and control.
It seems like such a sad existence to make a living out of watching movies or shows you're supposed to love and nitpicking them for rage clickbait.
Also add who bust they remember as of that one scene when they're pertty much no difference between the old and new
I wonder how they feel about the original show having a female US president for the first season.
Probably depends on how hot she was drawn for some of them tbh
And she was one of the better characters that were regular humans especially since she regularly called out Gyrich over his anti-mutant bigotry beliefs especially when she stated that his idea of "rounding up all mutants regardless of age and imprisoning them" violated their Constitutional rights via the 8th Amendment and how it could get the regular humans who actually had no problem with mutants in an uproar and cause even more problems.
Here’s my thing, if you’re thirsty for a fictional character, then that’s fine. Just say that! Don’t sit here and try to make it about “true femininity” and “caring” about “female representation” when you don’t.
To be fair, I think there would still be a lot of progressive backlash if they were honest about just being thirsty for Rogue. Plus there would also be conservative backlash against them for being "degenerate".
Femininity is when woman makes pp hard
Femininity is when women makes pp hard
Here's my thing: Don't use strawmen provided to you by the people you agree with to criticize the people you do not agree with.
IF the show makers really DID nerf Rogue's attractiveness, but left the sexy males' cheese grating abs intact, then this is a valid point of criticism.
Now whether that actually is the case, we don't yet rightly know. But if it IS true, then making up strawmen to deflect said criticism isn't going to change that.
@@Alexander_Kale You haven't actually watched these outrage merchants, have you?
I'm pissed at people trying to come for Storm's hair. Clearly they're not as big fans of the "classic" "pre-woke" media as they claim to be, because Storm has been rocking a Mohawk for decades.
It's arguably her signature look in the comics and is attached to a lot of her best storylines.
Definitely her most famous 80s look by like a lot. So much so that she gets merch re-released with the hair being the only difference. And we've even gotten her some cool redesigns of it like her pre-Queen of Mars look when she grows it out long in the back but keeps the mohawk at the top.
because outrage merchants the the gormless morons who watch them don't *actually* care about X-Men just like they never cared about anything else in reality. Melonie Mac is an open homophobe and the outpouring of support she got for her homophobic views from her fanbase just kind of reinforces that these people are just bigots.
@@LupineShadowOmega Oh that hairstyle is phenomenal. It’s this insane cloudy Mohawk that just fits.
@@christopherbennett5858 Agreed. It's amazing.
I disagree that it is her signature look in the comics, but go awf. Most complaints _I_ have seen, have been from people annoyed at the fact that Storm (a woman who is half ethnically Kenyan and half African-American) is rarely ever drawn with "African-textured" hair. Realistically, she'd most likely have 4C hair, but her locks are almost always poker straight. And unlike certain black women who have straight hair because they wear weaves, Storm's hair is canonically au naturel.
that one person's reaction to storm's hair gives me flashbacks of that other wokespotter overreacting to seeing peach in her racing outfit during the mario trailer
Especially since Storm legit rocked a frikkin mohawk back in the
late 80's/early 90's
@@bonniecraig7957Yes, and in many iterations of her character. This hair is very similar to her locks in the X-Men Red series which came out a few years ago, when she saved the universe and went God mode per usual.
I'd surely welcome more natural hair texture akin to her Kenyan roots, but that's a whole other discussion.
I think we as ppl are in an all time low if thinking a character losing their "cake" means promoting an agenda.
She never had it to begin with except in that one scene in the one episode
@@JOHN18042Yep exactly, too bad all these grifters will simply ignore that fact so they can continue to paint they're narrative.
@@JOHN18042you think the people actually complaining about this type of stuff actually consume the media that they yammer on abt?
Just because they dont get any real cake, they gotta hang on to that 1 second of fiction
@@iraford5788
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Honestly people do be downbad ngl
down _horrendous_
Horrendously down bad y’all people need touch, grass immediately get some real life girlfriend started dating.
@@eldeadkilljohnkennedy3946 exactly 💯
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 unironically based
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 lmfao true honestly
Porn addiction has changed a lot of people
And not in a good way
It's not porn addiction.
No way these people were saying they were turning the X-Men, an allegory for discriminated minorities, woke because one of the ladies looked slightly less thicc.
They were. Maybe not genuinely but they were.
I’m surprised they didn’t pick up on cameos from characters including Dust, a niqab wearing afghan war refugee, and Stacy X who was literally working in a brothel.
In all seriousness, Dust and Stacy are two of my favourites from the last 25 years.
It's idiocy. The idea that X-Men is suddenly "woke" is just silly. X-men has been one of the most political comics since the 1970s relaunch.
I see nothing wrong with these small changes made to characters. They are obsessed with Rogue's ass and Morph being gender fluid.
Didnt morph die in the original, he was neve rthat active in the story, its a bit honest, to care so much about morph, who died in the cartoon pretty fast, i think.
@@marocat4749 Yep, he died in the very first episode. Then comes back as a secondary villain during season 2, because of mind control, then appears on one episode during season 4 and one in season 5.
@@marocat4749 Morph was created for the 90s cartoon. He is based off a character called changeling who served a similar role and died.
I understand people's connection to him but still feel that the change won't ruin the 90s cartoon portrayal of the character. Plus I like that he has his exiles design now.
Like I said in a tweet that went viral, y'all gonna complain about the X-Men being woke now when Rogue's racist dad in the original was drawn to look like the type of guy who was at the Capital on January 6th? Really?
And the fact that Rogue was raised by a shapeshifting woman who led a terrorist group?
And that said woman, Mystique, was more focused on the daughter she raised than the son she barely knew.
I wonder how many aneurysms will occur if they found out about Destiny.
Exactly.
I always laugh hard at idiots who claim the Xmen have gone "woke"
How to tell me you have never seen any xmen media without actually telling me that.
They literaly make Iceman gay from the beginning... He just in close.a very big closet.
Also Juggernaut is definitive bi...
Anybody remember Northstar? Or shatterstar? Or rictor?
@@tesscantarticulate To be fair to Shatterstar, Liefield hates him being a gay man. But not for the reason you'd think, because he thinks he should be aromantic.
There could be a difference between progressive stories and themes.
And then other is going "X-Men have being always woke that is why half the could be bisexual and they go to fashion galas"
Some of the storylines aren’t that good, but that’s more of about a lacklustre execution rather then the story premise being inherently flawed. X men is a story of about struggling for acceptance and the good and bad come with it.
You know it’s a slow day for grifters when they are resorting to use asses and mohawks for outrage farming.
Legitimate X-MEN fans have been arguing back and forth about whether they liked Storm's mohawk for ages. I'm firmly on the side of Punk Inclusiveness.
@@WilliamBrowningmy problem with the Mohawk is that it shouldn't have been instantaneous like that they did. I felt like it should have took more time in the show to go from her long hair to the punk look.
Don’t forget the pants suit Storm wears in one of the trailers…..even though she wore that in the 90s cartoon too 🙄😂
Can't believe they made X-Men political. Slightly simplifying the core designs of the characters to make the animation smoother and more consistent has to be the most blatantly woke thing that has ever been in an X-Men cartoon.
Let's hope Disney don't add any allegories to racism, homophobia, or religious persecution because that would taint the memory of the original cartoon.
Have you heard that they take orders from a guy in a wheelchair? Political correctness gone mad, amirite?
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I've been watching X-Men recently, and that one shot is literally the only shot where Rogue is 'thicc'. Every other shot of Rogue from behind back then was the same as what these complaints are about.
And it's only because of perspective making her look that way. Her butt is closer to the "camera" than her head, so it appears disproportionately bigger.
@@sonicpsycho13Eenteresting.
Yep but unfortunately these grifters are just going to simply ignore that fact, as it literally destroys thier narrative that Rouge wasn't thicc throughout the entire series.
I would argue you haven't been paying much attention, then. Pretty much any shot of rogue from the front draws attention to her breasts.
Less so in action shots, granted, but whenever she is standing still and the camera focuses on her? Especially while she is wearing her spandex? Boobshot it is.
Wouldn't it be more woke if she were to have a BBL all of a sudden? These people complaining need better caked-up idols if one still from a cartoon is the symbol of their feminine ideal.
"Side shaved lesbian hair cut"
Oh, so we're going on a homophobic rant as well, how nice. I cant wait to see her desperately trying to argue that she's totally not homophobic despite just showing herself being homophobic in front of a camera.
I love how this channel specifically makes rebuttals to every insane right wing nerd rage takes on the Internet
This man will never run out of content
Wisdom
The internet truly is an endless pillar of garbage...
@@Gwinkiehey, that’s the name of the thing.
@@Gwinkie This comment has major "What are we some kind of suicide squad?" Energy
I love this comment so much XD
This video at no point refutes the points made on those channels it showed.
I guess people like you refuse to see the obvious, even when there is ESG/DEI and the showrunner being fired for being a creep.
Searching anything. ANYTHING. Relating to Marvel, Disney, even Ninja Turtles, will provide RUclips's "recommended" results made up of dozens of bigoted, outrage clickbait and it's getting worse every day. They all have like 300k subs somehow. And yet here you are, insisting on being the voice of reason. Please never quit.
YES!!! More people NEED to know about Pillar of Garbage. IMO he's one of the most mature YTubers out there.
Because that's the media those 80's and 90's right wing babies view as sacred, so whenever a new thing comes out, they'll actively look for ways to say the woke media is corrupting them.
I'm really sick of the work "Woke" being used, for shit that has ZERO TO DO with what it means to be "Woke".
I am thankful that those who use the term like this reveal exactly who they are. As a trans woman, I like my enemies where I can see them.
That's why I don't use it anymore however that there is an act on conventional femmein beauty is clear.
Rightoids cry about Morph being non-binary in the reboot because they think it’s “inappropriate for children” but then complain that the reboot took out the sexy ass shots of Rogue 😭😭
Which is hilarious because it is them admitting they’re whining man-children and woman-children.
Morph being non-binary honestly makes sense, given he can become anyone, thus having many different experiences.
@@Channeleven2345789 Although it does feel like it’s becoming a cliche for a character to shapeshift to be the gender nonconforming member of the cast.
@@Channeleven2345789 Funny enough, shape shifters being non binary always made the least sense to me.
If you can switch your sex, that either means your brain switches along with it, which means your sexuality would also change, or your brain DOESN'T make the switch, in which case, why would you being a shape shifter affect your sexuality at all... It is an immutable, inborn trait after all.
In other words, a shape shifter being non binary means either he is a bad shape shifter, or it is a total nonsequitur that has nothing to do with his powers.
@@Alexander_Kale Non-Binary isn’t a sexuality, it’s a type of gender. Just not using exclusively he/him or she/her. I’ve honestly always thought that shapeshifters being gender-fluid made more sense than non-binary, but your gender identity doesn’t have anything to do with your sexuality.
Can’t wait for the video on Morph. People are claiming that Morph being nonbinary now means that they’re trying to sneak queer undertones into the show.
It’s like, hello! Queer undertones were always there, from the first episode where the team is outside the mutant registration office, and each of them take turns saying how growing up as a mutant was very difficult and isolating. Then Rouge asks Beast “ what makes us like we are?”. And he didn’t have a clear answer.
The allegory of Queerness was never hidden.
Also, in the first season, we had Easter eggs like Mystique posing under the male disguise of Dr Adler.
Adler. As in Irene Adler. As in Destiny, her true love who, in the comics and evolution, helped her raise Rogue.
Also, the show had Northstar in it. Not explicitly gay in the show but still there.
Just wait until they hear about Black Tom and the Juggernaut in the 90’s lol
@@christopherbennett5858 I know, right! Can you imagine the “ fake outrage “ that would happen if they brought back iceman for the show now
@@Dhampir101980 Honestly, I was kind of down for the Iceman situation because it felt like writers since the 90’s wanted to do it.
From the issues where he pretends Rogue is his girlfriend when he’s visiting his parents because he sees that as the only way they could be proud of him, to Emma Frost saying he might be better off going into interior designing and that he’d unlock his full potential if he was honest with himself and everyone else, I was intrigued.
@@christopherbennett5858 I would like to see that too. Bobby is an omega level mutant and it’s time that his powers properly displayed. I think it would be great to have one of the most powerful members of the team just also happen to be a gay man. It should never be his whole identity ( a mistake the current comics have made), but still, it could interesting seeing how he either deals with being out as a mutant, but not as a gay man, or vice versa.
@@Dhampir101980 Isn't Arkangel also gay?
Disney didn't make Rogue woke, Marvel did, because the X-men have Literally ALWAYS been woke.
Yeah, it really is amusing.
So we are talking about a cartoon character's cake being smaller. That is a discussion grown adults are having 👍
The actual discussion is more about the reasons behind the redesign and whether or not it is ideologically motivated.
But sure, if you phrase it your way, it sounds silly.
@@Alexander_KaleAnd phrased that way, it sounds all aboveboard and intellectual. Possibly with a top hat and monocle, even.
But it ignores the idea that the people spreading the outrage aren’t immune to ideology and are in fact pushing their own: the idea that progressive themes are somehow out of place in X-Men.
@@ffreed "And phrased that way, it sounds all aboveboard and intellectual" - because that is exacty what it is.
No one says that "progressive themes" are ut of place in X-Men. THe issue is exactly as was done in the opening comment, a misrepresentation of the facts at hand.
And you are doing the same. In your case, its about what those "progressive themes" actually are.
Because if someone REALLY nerfed Rogue for being too sexy, did the same to Storm, yet left the sexy men intact, then that is not "progressive". Rather, it would be blind, one sided bias.
Well, just one week left and we will find out.
Storm also sported a hair cut like that in the original series in the "one man's worth" episodes
Which all the whining RUclipsrs would know if they actually, you know, watched the show. Plus those episodes touched on the subject of prejudice against mixed race couples and people of color. So more “ wokeness “. Won’t someone please think about the children…😎
Storm should kept her more african embracing garb, would that be not "more woke"
She also did it in the comics.
@@Dhampir101980 Which was amazing in context because Logan and Ororo were actually happy in that episode because it was just regular ass racism. Storm's like "oh they're just being racist because I'm a black woman, well that beats killer robots at least." Which is so fucked up, but utterly in line with the series as a whole. XD
@@LupineShadowOmega yeah, Wolverine got more upset than she did. Speaking as black person, myself, I understand why Storm didn’t make more of fuss over it. Sometimes, it’s too exhausting giving people like that your time and energy.
I love how he can both meaningfully address the arguments of the wokespotters, and also point out how stupid and meaningless the arguments are. This channel is a gem.
Puppet of 2030
Remember when they kept comparing old and new Lola Bunny designs, while using a FANART of sexy Lola Bunny and claiming that it was the original. Every passing year i keep hoping that shitshow will at Least dial down a little, but it never does
It's funny that the same people who were using Tifa as an example why Japanese Female Characters are better "design"than the west Female Video Games, even though they were also mad at Tifa redesign when they first showed it. God, this anti-woke stuff is annoying
I’m getting sick and tired, people making cringeworthy thumbnails and controversies without valid criticism. I just wish these channels never existed.
Those losers can just play r18 video games and read h-manga.
Weird thing is that in the original FF7, Tifa looked like she was made out of Lego, like every other character did.
You described the typical FF "fan"'s hipocrisy.
Honestly, it's easier to count the stuff they don't bicth about all day.
the fact that people genuninely complain about how the show is worse because of the size of rogue's ass really makes me ashamed of admitting that I like geek stuff, also x men is a metaphor for racism soooo seriously all those people just want to ruin everyone's fun with their complain
It’s pretty much analogous to a lot of different forms of bigotry and persecution.
Every so often, for instance, writers introduce a character in the heroic side where they were from a country that the US was either fighting against or fighting with.
Colossus and Ilyana from the then Soviet Union, Karma from Vietnam and Dust from the Afghan/Persian gulf region.
It was very much a sense of these characters being closer to the civilians of the nation in question who suffered under those who were in power.
I saw the cameo in the trailer and I hope Dust, Marrow and Stacy X feature more prominently in it.
people like this who complain about everything makes me remember the time when geeks were made fun of for liking certain stuff and the image that they had of us, was pretty much what's happening, losers complaining about the size of a cartoon character, really makes me ashamed almost makes me want to go back when people bullied us@@christopherbennett5858
not just racism -- in the 90s and early 2000s *specifically* it started to take on more LGBT parallels, such as having an entire storyling about people trying to "cure" mutantism, or them being targeted by religious fanatics as "abominations against God."
But these chodes don't actually care about X-Men, especially open homophobes like Melonie Mac -- these people just want all media to tailor to their bigoted, puerile tastes.
@@christopherbennett5858thats litterally what Stanley said of the X-men series in an interview almost word for word ( the first two lines of your comment )
@@johnramos8703 I did not realise that.
I see the slightly tweaked design for Rogue in this series and she still looks pretty and feminine. Then again, my favorite comics renditions of the character were Paul Smith's and early John Romita, Jr's versions. Sure, I get the appeal of Art Adams, Marc Silvestri, and Jim Lee's portrayals of the character, but they are not the be-all and end-all.
If they *really* wanted to piss-off the anti-woke brigade, they should've redesigned her to look like Michael Golden's version from her debut in AVENGERS ANNUAL #10, where she looks at least 45 years old.
Or show a clip where Destiny is shown and Rogue’s like “Mama Irene, is that you?”
I love how these people complain about the less sexy Rogue design, but don't say anything about the men. 90s Spiderman and X Men had their dudes jacked and their skin tight suits left little to then imagination.
Honestly, the guys sometimes bordered Tom of Finland drawings.
Because it was a masculine image catered to a usually male audience.
And we ate.
You know it is bad when I have no idea who is seriously complaining about this, or people who are just trolling
It really says something about their complaints that in most of the shots shown in this video I couldn't figure out if I was looking at the old characters and the reboot characters.
It’ll always be funny to me when people complain about the Xmen being “woke”. It just shows that these people do t understand the Xmen or their history.
If they did, you’d think they’d complain more about the cameo of Dust and Stacy X, an Islamic Afghan war refugee and a call girl respectively, in the newspaper.
For the record, they’re two of my favourite characters.
That goes for any franchise they complain about. Star Trek? Woke. Doctor Who? Woke. Hell, even LEGO has gone woke because they dared to make a few minifigures with disabilities.
@@awandererfromys1680 And I love that it’s the recent stuff they complain about when the envelopes have been pushed for decades.
@@christopherbennett5858 They've realized they're no longer at the center of pop culture and now they're stuck in a sad and rather creepy midlife crisis. Buying a Porsche sounds like a healthier option imho.
@@awandererfromys1680 Reminds me of the whole “Pixar’s not for kids” deal that people my age were doing.
Seriously, they were having a mid life crisis in their 20’s.
Didn’t help that children’s animation started pandering to those guys.
the fact that storm's mohawk has been around for decades...
How down bad do you have to be to get viscerally angry over the female form? So much so that your only argument is nostalgia under guise of “true femininity”.
5:11
As a dude who's heard friends say the same exact thing
I literally heard to walk 4kmto and from my home just to get a comic book with Storm on the cover having that exact hairstyle
Also I apologize for ranting on here coz honestly, I'm tired of arguing with people about this show man😢
5:00 There are critics who said that they read the comics or watched the movies/shows, but they're actually lying. They're just saying that to save themselves from being criticized.
Truth be told, I do hate the Storm mohawk design. But that's more because I've always viewed her as a maternal figure in the X-Men family, and not because of anti-woke nonsense.
Funnily enough, in the comics she took that look specifically because she no longer wanted to take the role of a maternal figure for the team (it was during the time cyclops had left the x men after the phoenix saga, where storm took over as the leader)
She told Kitty Pryde so explicitly that she was frustrated being like that, and her new look was a way to express her anger.
@@lvo9197 Yeah. She literally said “I’m your friend, not your mother”.
Also, the look was very Grace Jones.
She had a Mohawk at times in the comics too
@@johnramos8703 Yeah, people forget that she’s the same age as Jean, not older.
And a lot of her Mohawk era stuff was her coming to terms with the ever changing nature of her powers or going war mode.
@@lvo9197 Don't you just love when people talk about things they know very little about? lol.
I agree that it’s not actually an issue. However, I do think that they should make EVERYONE caked as hell
this is the right take
hahaha love this take
based
This is the key to world peace.
Wolverine in short shorts and a dumpster of an ass may make the right wing blow a gasket
It’s not “woke” but it’s still just as much of a tragedy as when they removed Snake’s ass in Smash bros.
I wish people would say "It's not for me." Or "it's something that is not for me!" They are quick to throw the word "Woke" because that word is super trendy and popular. I am getting so sick and tired of hearing the word "Woke" be thrown around.
This also sorta reminds me of these chucklenuts screaming to the high heavens that Square released an 8 GB patch that reduced Tifa's breats in Rebirth...except the game wasn't even out yet.
It was actually for Part 1 where they gave 15 year old Tifa an undershirt in a flashback cutscene to match it with how the scene goes in Rebirth (if I remember correctly). This then also made them upset but so do most things.
*bangs shin on coffee table* the furniture has gone woke!
*uploads a 16 minute video red faced and screaming a out the coffee table*
Yeah, that change was done for consistency between the two games, some people are just so dumb it's not even funny.
@@chesteradams7423The Final Fantasy "fandom" in a nutshell.
Just a slight clarification, this is not a reboot but a revival of the original Xmen tas. But yes doing a direct follow up from a 30 year old show instead of just doing another reboot is quite unique in an era of reboots. The only real cartoon revival that's comparable was Beavis and butthead.
What about Animaniacs.
@icecreamhero2375 Animaniacs 2020 is considered a reboot instead of a revival as it's trying to do more of its own thing instead of directly continuing where it left off.
@@fructuous7242 No it's a continuation. They go back to the tower and said they have been gone for 22 years. It's a flawless reboot other than over doing it on the political humor and the other Animaniacs characters being absent.
@@icecreamhero2375 It's still not the same as xmen '97 or Beavis and butthead where they try to replicate the original show
@@fructuous7242 So did Animaniacs they just got a few things wrong. This new X men feels like a reboot the animation style is totally different. I wish they brought back the hand drawn animation.
I also find it odd that no one complaining about Rogue’s butt in those two specific shots brings up how different the shots are. The original features her laying on the ground with it pointing right at the camera, but in ‘97, she’s in a group shot with the rest of the team standing far away from the camera surrounded by debris. Of course the animators are going to draw her differently from different distances and angles, that’s how animation typically works!
the thing is:
a) it’s one shot from a minute long trailer where rogue wasn’t even heavily featured
b) rogue is still a hot mutant waifu
c) being angry over a hand-drawn 2d animated figure is ridiculous and everyday i’m proven right that more and more people have worms for brains
Me clicking on video: Oh, Rogue is being perceived as Woke? I know there was a fancast a while back that made her black, did they change her ethnicity in the trailer? How did I miss that?
Me watching the video: Oh, that's...stupid
"Oh, that's...stupid" sums up 99% of all conservative talking points ever.
People who use the word woke as a pejorative literally have no idea what the term means and just use it as a catch all for "thing I don't like"
Pretty much, they will call things woke that are not even woke.
2:02 Oh my god, Disney even went ahead and gone BACK IN TIME to remove Rogue's absolute DUMPTRUCK!!! I can't believe they would do this etc etc
"Drawn with one hand" comment killed me. Who fucking cares if she's been redesigned. She still looks like Rogue and people need to go touch grass while being less gross.
I knew this anti-woke nonsense was coming and I knew it would be stupid. The X-Men have had been woke for decades, including when this cartoon was made.
Maybe this cartoon can have the X-Men battle grifters who sell anger to gullible people. It worked when Superman did it.
We need RUclips to promote this kind of content instead of literally AntiSJW garbage
Just found your channel via Xanderthal. Keep doing what you're doing. Gonna donate to you when I get paid
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO. Internet discourse has been so insufferable about everything that I was a bout to punch my screen in frustration. Good to see there are still some sane people in the internet.
dude, fandom is embarrassing. I've been reading xmen comics since 1983 and rogue has constantly been going thru look changes. people need to chill. this xmen hate is cringe af. and saying that is cringe af but that's where we are in fandom these days.
Caked up, lmao I love it.
Oh Lord Drawn with One hand lmao it took me a second to get that one
It’s really sad and pathetic that people are actually complaining that a FICTIONAL character from a family show’s ass is smaller.
And yet also panic about grooming. Creeps.
I just hate the "anti-woke" critiques because they're so empty, and dominate the conversation in place of actual discussion of the media and how it could improve
Especially if it comes to X-Men, being "Woke' has been the point ever since their inception.
2:42 Woah. I've seen that TR comparison image before, but... The one on the right isn't even from a game. It looks to be a fan made model. And there is actually a video comparing Lara from each game side by side, and her boobs are actually about the same size each game, with the exception of Anniversary, where they grow three sizes like the Grinch's heart did (not literally, I have no idea how much bigger they were). But Tomb Raider 2013 and Rise of the Tomb Raider both had similar breast sizes as the classic PlayStation TR games and of Underworld and Legend. Shadow shows Lara wearing (what I assume) is a sports bra under a tactical vest, both of which compress her breasts in the game just as they do in real life. So her breasts are actually fairly consistent across the series (not counting Anniversary, that game is extremely unrealistic). Of course, the marketing campaigns of the old games didn't help the general public's perception of the character, as they greatly exaggerated Lara's proportions compared to the games, but whatever.
Without watching the video and having watched the first two episodes, I have this to say: No, the show didn’t make Rogue "woke". They made her problematic. I am not a fan of the Rogue and Magneto relationship.
Oh, and she's still has her cake. People just go nuts for no goddamn reason.
Let's be honest. Even if they drew every character in this show line by line, all these 'Rogue is Woke' videos would have come out. These people are just dishonest view chasers. All they care about are the views.
"These people are just dishonest view chasers"
Exactly, they are grifters.
I hate the Storm mohawk. Not because it's "woke" or whatever, but because in an Era where Storm is currently serving up 100% African Goddess with the greatest Frohawk to every be put to comic page, they still gave her that chopped as mohawk with no curl. Common Marvel L
When I saw that Frohawk in the Hellfire Gala when she’s announced as Queen of Arakko, I gasped.
It was beautiful. It really is like a trail of clouds.
Although one of my favourite moments was from Karma because we all want good things for Karma.
From the very second Morph appeared (and then immediately died), they were my fav character
The only re-design iffy about was morph cause he straight up just looks like Darwin
no he looks like Voldemort 😂
@@catspiracytheorist2138 U know what that's funnier definitely😂
the horror of a 'lesbian haircut'... on storm? as if yukio hasnt existed since the 80's? lmfao
As if Callisto hasn’t existed since the 80’s as well!?
People be crying over stupid shit though and overexaggerate it 🙄
For a moment I totally misunderstood what was meant by "Rogue was drawn with one hand" since the first three images displayed at the same time show one of her hands hidden from view, a la Rob Liefeld avoiding drawing feet. (If that image selection was done intentionally, kudos for the fakeout, but either way I'm an idiot since it's obvious from context.)
This drama makes me wonder if they even watch the things they're complaining about lmao
No, X-Men have always been "Woke", if they were actually fans of the X-Men, they would know that.
They think Star Trek went woke, so nope.
The fact that you can make a modern reboot that looks EXACTLY the same as the original and there will be fits over insignificant, most likely unintentional changes, shows that these people are actively looking for things to hate in every piece of modern media.
I just watched the first to episodes today and didn't even notice this. Rogue is still sexy. People need to stop being weird.
Honestly I half expect that some of this “woke” stuff is actually planted by Disney to create strawmen. People can’t be that dumb.
Oh, wait, I just looked at politics.
Lord, have mercy.
The moment you realise that the over the top cartoon villains aren’t actually that different from the real life villains
@@christopherbennett5858 Except the character designs are less appealing.
@@paulgibbon5991 Yeah. And much less eloquent.
I seen the title, and I did not think this was the thing. When was X-Men not woke? The very premise of the show was about race relations, and acceptance. As well as celebrating one’s differences.
The grasping at straws to find something to be mad about these days honestly. The dude bros are really scrambling.
I think Eminem song Stan was about a person obsessed that goes way too far. That’s what the people on the Internet way too far end up in the FBI watchlist.
You might cover this (I'm only three minutes in) but I think it's a really weird cognitive dissonance that here you have conservative/anti-woke people valorizing """traditional values"""" and modesty/chastity, and at the same time wanting to be able to freely ogle and otherwise own every femme-presenting human in sight, in the most lecherous of ways. Like which is it, dudes, you can't have it both ways. I guess it kinda boils down to wanting to consider women chattel, maybe? Idk, I don't like to engage with the types of person who won't acknowledge the sonder of half the planet's population. Anyway yeah, this Rogue shit is a stark example of this fuckin weird phenomenon, and I appreciate that you're calling it out.
ETA: Ah, you do get into some of this, because of course you did!
Can't believe they made X-Men woke by travelling back in time and making it an allegory for minority experience from the very beginning.
Bro, it's just the perspective and pose. People can be dumb
I watched the original X-Men cartoon and the opening scene literally talks about how people are worried an attack from a mutant will contribute to ongoing anti-mutant sentiments.
Ugh. Some people just have to complain unless their every whim is catered to.
Storm had that hair in the comics!
I must say, the version of it in the comics nowadays like X men Red?
It’s beautiful. It’s a longer, grown out Mohawk but puffy and voluminous like a cloud.
And since when do these dudes read comics, they only pretend to read them so they can weaponize nerd culture for views.
@@costelinha1867 That feels like an extension of those days where people would use their in depth and breadth of nerd culture knowledge to try and claim they were the better fan.
...and X-Men have been "Woke' since their inception.
The fact that those jokers are still getting upset about stuff like is ridiculous. The fact that they genuinely don't understand how pathetic they're being is hilarious. Imagine telling someone you're mad about a cartoon character's butt size. And thinking you have a point. Wild.
The weird thing is that looking at the new character design one of my thoughts was how beautiful they are! It's hard to hear that some folks are not appreciating th beauty of the new character designs - completely removed from any politics.
It's literally Tifa's boobs in FF7 Remake (which they've now come around on, apparently) or Cammy's ass in Street Fighter 6 (even though you can still get the classic attire in the game) all over again. They're taking an insignificant detail and making a mountain out of a molehill. It must genuinely suck being this level of anti-woke, where you literally just CAN'T enjoy anything anymore. Plus... they really wanna go down the anti-woke rabbit hole with X-Men? Probably THE wokest comic book franchise ever?
Yeah, it's funny to see people whining about X-Men being woke in 2024 lol.
Could we just stop policing female bodies in pop culture altogether whether it's complaining that Rogue isn't sexy enough in X-men '97 or complaining that the female protagonist in Stellar Blade is too sexy. Could we stop politicizing female bodies, please. You don't see this with male characters in fiction, like at all.
You can support body diversity without the neo-puritanical and sex negative baggage. And you can appreciate sexy and beautiful female characters without the alt-right and anti-feminist gender policing baggage. I don't understand why this has to be an issue, everyone complains about how our culture is stagnant, but no one wants to move forward.
"Could we just stop policing female bodies in pop culture altogether whether it's complaining that Rogue isn't sexy enough in X-men '97 or complaining that the female protagonist in Stellar Blade is too sexy. Could we stop politicizing female bodies, please."
On that, I agree.
Amazing video! Thank you for calling out all these clowns and being a voice of reason in this void of nonsense on RUclips! Keep up the amazing work!
Everytime I think these people can't hit a new low they go above and beyond to disappoint me anew.
LOL. Guess the grifters must be real desperate to even get here.
Its wrong to call them grifters I actually think many of them are idealoges and true believers.
I don't think there grifters I think they actually believe what there saying.
Accidentally stumpled upon a Melanie Mac video when looking up the "Capcom Anti Mod" controversy. She randomly started talking about you can't be trans in the middle of the video and I'm just like "dude wtf is this" 😂
Yeah, Melanie Mac is very against those lgbtq people even when it’s not really relevant
Man, wait till they find out how Nightcrawler was conceived. They're gonna lose their minds.
They already did and they lost it for the most part
I mean, it can't be as awfull as Carol Danvers giving birth to her own rapist, right? [pleading] _right_?
If X-Men 92 came out these days, I'm sure they would make commentaries about how they made Wolverine "ugly" when it was Hugh Jackman who made Wolvie hot and before that he was a hairy goblin man who was barely 5 feet tall which the cartoon of course stuck with.
X-MEN 97 Is a Masterpiece. Anyone saying otherwise is a damn troll looking to cause chaos & seeking attention.
(We Gotta Praise Disney When They're Doing Right; As Well As Holding Them Accountable When They're Doing Wrong.)
X-MEN 97 IS 10/10.
Ok but like, hot women in spandex are hot
Can we agree?
As someone who isn't bothered much by sexualization, depending on how it's done that is, I got to say this recurring thread of the same culprits whinging about nonsense with the same boring and tired talking points is annoying. Like there is a conversation to be had but they aren't picking the most interesting on, just whining because they can't fap apparently.
Just watched the first 2 episodes and from what I’ve seen from Rogue is that she is still the exact same attractive character that I still love. I don’t understand why conservatives are making a big deal about a single frame of a cartoon show and always say that they are making women unattractive. Quite shitty don’t ya think?
What I don't understand is that they're aren't happy about this. I mean with all the moral panic about p*do groomers desexualizing cartoons would be a good thing, right? Their obsession with women's bodies is just downright creepy.
All these "Anti-woke" people keep promising me a good time, but when I go watch the shows, they rarely deliver. In fact, most of them seem... less woke than the originals.