Excommunicated in the Catholic Church?
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- What does the Church mean by excommunication? How does it work?
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Father Casey, by explaining to us what actions cause excommunication you just made us all liable to excommunication!
Now all I can do is try to forget! :)
Liable to be responsible based on truth - what a blessing!
The Truth will set you free,
1 Timothy 3:15!!!!
Will never be destroyed, Acts 5:38-39
@@MM22272 excellent!!!
Or you can change church. The Latin church is the only church that uses latae sententiae excommunication. There is no action that would lead to it in the CCEO (Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches).
@@pan_nekdo it’s fitting that the Catholic Church would be the only one that has this, because it just adds yet another reason to the list of many that makes it distinct from any other, chief among those reasons being that the Catholic Church is the only church, founded by our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ himself.
As a relative new Catholic, I greatly appreciate your videos. You're way too young to be so articulate and knowledgeable. LOL
I am pulled inexorably... home.
@@Call_Upon_YAH “ Catholics” invented the Bible.
You’re welcome.
@@Call_Upon_YAH Since when did reading the road code equate to driving the car? You have much to learn grasshopper...
@@Call_Upon_YAH You are so wrong in s many ways. Starting off with Mary. Catholics don't worship her. We venerate her as the Mother of God (Jesus) and ask for her intercession.
@jimgriffin9924 1 Timothy 2:5. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, from your mouth you say you don't worship but in gestures you do what you do in action comes from the heart.
I'm not a Catholic, but this had cleared up some misconceptions I have had about excommunication.
You just saw the tip of the iceberg!!! There is a treasure hidden waiting for you to discover!!!
Thanks Fr. Casey. This was very informative. You are what the Church needs...good caring priests! Your ministry has helped me so much. Peace and Good! 😃☕
As a Non--Denominational Protestant who finally understands the Catholic Faith. It brings me joy that I can consider the Catholics my brothers and sisters in Christ. My former distain for the Catholic faith came from when I was in middle school. I had a teacher who became a Protestant but she was a raised Catholic. She had issues with the Catholic faith (I'm not aware of what those issues are) that didn't seem to sit well with her so she switched denominations. But the most important thing she said was that there are still Catholics who are saved. And recently it hit me. A Christian is not saved by their denomination. We are saved by Christ! A Baptist has just as much of a chance of not being saved as a Catholic, or any other denomination! Keep working to glorify our God. You bear the fruit of the Spirit.
Thank you fr. Casey, I just read few days ago that a chapter from the CCC about the fifth commandment and I encountered the fragment about the excommunication, but I couldn't find it in the paragrapgh that was given in my version in the footnote, so thank you, reminded me that I was looking for it and got the answer :)
Oh, Father Casey!! You are such a good teacher!! As one I can recognise when someone is!! Thanks for these efforts in evangelising!! May Our Lady of the Angels bless all these efforts!!
My Nana was excommunicated back in the 60s. She still brought us to the church.
She understood that it was 'her personal' thing, nothing else
Your Nana?
I find that hard to believe
Who would care what anyone's Nana thought or did. The church doesn't even excommunicate priests
@@russellmiles2861 If a baptized Catholic doesn’t receive The Eucharist for over a year, they are excommunicated.
@@johnsteila6049 really. Wouldn't that be a lot of effort...
I knew someone who’s mom was divorced from an abusive❤husband for years and in those days women almost had to be married to make still went to mass. How unfair
This is clearly and well defined. Thanks Fr for this form of preaching the gospel the Church teachings.
Excommunication is present in the Lutheran tradition as well (I am WELS) although there aren't strict guidelines to it. Excommunication is used in the same way: being unable to receive the Eucharist, voting and taking official positions, and being an official member. Unlike Catholicism, we don't have a list of specific sins and circumstances that deem it necessary. Typically if someone is unrepentant after being confronted numerous times, they will be excommunicated - and that could be from any sin really. The process is really up to each physical church; whether it be just between the pastor and the individual, the elders, or the entire congregation.
What I know we can agree on though is that excommunication is not done out of spite but loving concern for the sinner. More than ever we want all people to come to repentance and be in communion together.
God bless Father. Keep persevering, stay on the narrow path.
Thanks you so much for making this be clear. Now get the rest of the world to hear, watch and understand. That is the next step.
Thanks for the vid just had a coworker ask me about excommunication 20 mins ago
Thank you for clarity on this issue. 🕊️🌺🙏🏽
Well articulated and delivered. I appreciate your wearing your religious habit.
Another well done video, Fr. Casey. I don't think that Henry Tudor or Marti Luther particularly cared one way or the other, but it IS good clarification for the rest of the general public. Even as a Cradle Episcopalian I found this an interesting and informative video.
I can’t speak for Henry VIII but Martin Luther’s life after the 95 theses nailed to the door on the 31st October was fraught with great regret with what happened as a result of this action. Remembering he was an Augustine- Eremite priest, taking his vocation often to excess, he was so sure of his vocation and he had made the church his life. His issue was not necessarily the Catholic Church but the actions of the Pope and Bishop Tetsall raising income for the church through indulgences. The coffers of the Papacy was empty and the new Pope wanted to continue the work on the rebuilding of St Peter’s. There are excellent podcasts about Luther’s regret for the sweeping changes to Protestantism across Europe.
@@sassyg3316 I wouldn't say regret after he was excommunicated. Martin Luther's initial reaction to the Church's demands to correct his errors or be excommunicated was simply to burn the Papal Bull in public.
@@Cklert you ignore the endorsement the German princes received from him
@@sassyg3316 Do you have the names of any of these podcasts, thanks.
@@JonathanSaxon Yes. I listen to the Ryan Reeves podcast on RUclips plus there are several docos about Martin Luther that describe his journey. One in particular was enlightening. It was brave enough to say that when Luther was on target, he was great but he was also a flawed human like us all. He made very anti-Semitic statements as well as other writings that would cause some criticism today. We are all fallen and sinners but thank goodness for Gods grace.
Great video Father! Very informative and factual.
I'd like to thank you for your work, Father. This channel brings me so much hope and I'm constantly reminded that there's a place for optimism. That our Faith being true is the Good News, not a reason for despair. That even though there's much work to be done and the state of the World is bad, God hasn't abandoned us and we can win many souls for Him. He still loves us and uses everything for our salvation.
Now I'm wondering- what if someone commits a sin of impurity with an only priest in a remote area and cannot reach another confessor?
The only way for that priest to give absolution without excommunicating himself (that point is about priest excommunication, the penitent doesn't get excommunicated) is when the person is in near death situation.
This rule is to protect the penitent from possible manipulation coming from that priest. The person should seek any other priest to confess if they can. In situation when they cannot find one soon, and they e.g. want to receive the Holy Body or just be without guilt, they can do confession just with God, as usual they have to repent for their sins. God doesn't need priests to forgive sins but uses them to ensure your sins have been forgiven. Without them you can ask for forgiveness directly. However it's best to seek confession soon after this to have a guarantee of absolved sins to put your mind on ease.
Welcome back Catholicism in focus. Good to have you.
I love your contents, they are so informative and you explain with boldness like the apostles.
May the Holy spirit keep guiding you.
Ahhh, yes. Boldness like the apostles. Holy Spirit et al. Dark Angel, you do dazzle!
Regarding your comment about legal systems: excommunication is actually somewhat analogous to contempt in American courts. The point is not generally punish (although people often think that). Rather, the point of contempt is to get the person to comply with the order they're disobeying. Obviously the analogy only goes so far, but that might be a helpful way for some people to think of it!
You got the whole thing upside-down. It is the other way around! Freemasonic US founding fathers to govern, plagiarized everything from the Church:
The Bible= the Constitution
The Church to explain the bible= the Supreme Court
Incommmunication = pending penalties to bring to reason
Dead unrepented= capital punishment. There you have it, freemasons snatched everything from the Church and call it "their own"!!!
Do you want more?
Freemasonic
Capitolio, pyramid of Washington, apotheosis, etc... Mimic Saint Peter basilica and plaza!!!!
Thank you for this! I honestly thought that excommunication was permanent so this was great clarification.
Ahh, What a relief. Cross yourself. Light a candle. Say a prayer, And cross your fingers. Don't walk under a ladder. Run if you see a black cat, Abra! Great clarification indeed. You'll save so much on health and auto insurance. Don't bother to pay either because you and your god know best. Never mind science and risk matrixes. How simple it must be so long as you follow the rules. You do follow the rules, don't you? Don't let us all down, Dear Abra!!!!
Awesome. Great video. God bless you Father Casey 🙏.
Father, you forgot to mention that, like mortal sins, excommunication is automatic, in the sense that it is not totally dependent on whether the physical Church in Rome pronounces it on an individual. A person automatically becomes excommunicated if he or she commits excommunicable offences, even if secretly, just like commission of mortal sins renders one asunder from full communion with the Church, until and unless one has recourse to the sacrament of reconciliation in absolute repentance, humility and surrender to God. So, essentially, someone may be walking around in the Church while being excommunicated in the spirit for some secret excommunicable sin they are quietly harbouring in their heart and refusing to repent of and embrace the true doctrine.
Your "not anymore" comment made me want a followup video about historical excommunication and how it differed from today!
Thank you for the posting this video. I enjoy history and I was reading the history of Judge Leander Perez from Louisiana. Archbishop Joseph Rummel excommunicated Judge Perez and two other opponents of integration on April 16, 1962 and I was wondering exactly what that meant.
Thank you, father, for your great insights. I have become a catholic recently; and able to learn a lot from your videos. I have a lot of protestant friend. And challenging me with a question regarding Mather of God Ever Virgen. particularly one:" Did Mother of God raise from the dead?" please try to respond to my question, when you have time.
The Tradition maintains that the virgin Mary was assumed onto heaven by the merits of the Lord Jesus who incarnated in her Revelation talks about the Woman taken to heaven by the eagle of bigger wings...The Holy Spitit, also read Psalm 45 and Numbers 30!!!
Thank you for Catholicism in Focus. There’s always a lot to learn. Can you do a video on Apostasy as well? 🙏
As a respectful Lutheran I will offer these observations in this video:
1) Father Casey is a faithful servant of the Word and I respect how he is communicating Catholic doctrine. I would *love* to sit down and discuss matters of faith, doctrine, and theology with him.
2) I think this video glosses over how some Catholic Bishops have used the threat of excommunication (or withholding of access to Catholic sacraments) to certain politicians which has come across as very much a punishment.
3) Father Casey's response, however heartfelt, about how excommunication *should* be handled is not aligned with how I have seen it handled with friends who are Catholic. I acknowledge my experience are anecdotal but they are very real and, I suspect, not dissimilar from others on the "Outside Looking In" to how these things are handled.
I appreciate this view into the Roman Catholic Church and will continue to watch, listen, and (hopefully) learn.
Be well.
They use the threat of excommunication for supporting abortion.
I’ll be impressed when they start talking about using the threat of excommunication for engaging in war.
But going against the war machine ( beyond Papal platitudes) and proclaiming that every politician who voted for ,and every Catholic service person who participates in ,the act of war ( aka another form of baby-killing) is automatically excommunicated requires way more bravery than the Church possesses and would lose them their right-wing followers and their $$$$$$$$$$$.
Love the great videos🕊️🙏🏽🌺
3:50 not me thinking "delcared" is an actual word 😂
I am inspired by the last words. TY
True enough the best thing a Christian can do is be ready to welcome people.
One of the best-known excommunications was probably in 1076/1077 King Henry IV of the Roman-German Empire = the penitential journey to Kanossa.
Thanks father give me hope to Jesus and catholic ✝️🙏❤️🔥
My grand-aunt was threatened with excommunication because she only had 2 children. They didn't follow through but honestly she wouldn't have cared if they had.
If you would watch the video you’d understand that that can’t possibly be true
She may have been threatened and I'm sorry on behalf of the church if she was but as fr casy said it would have been an empty threat
Good video , very informative
Great video! I have a few questions:
1. With regards to ferendae sententiae, what if the bishop who excommunicated you has since died or been excommunicated himself and you wish to be readmitted?
2. Do excommunicated priests return to their holy orders upon being readmitted?
3. What sort of offenses might cause a ferendae sententiae excommunication?
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I think you're pretty much screwed. But try this. Cross yourself. Light a candle. Say a prayer, And cross your fingers. Don't walk under a ladder. Run if you see a black cat.You'll save so much on health and auto insurance. Don't bother to pay either because you and your god know best. Never mind science and risk matrixes. How simple it must be so long as you follow the rules. You do follow the rules, don't you? Don't let us all down, Dear Chris!
@@reidnlorikincaid9683are you alright? You seem to have a lot of anger.
Wow! I thought excommunication meant Hell. Thank u for enlightening me.
It does unless you repent and rejoin the Church before your death.
I am not Catholic, but I am a Baptized Christian. My mother Kathy was converted and confirmed before her passing away in 1985. I have always had a longing for converting, but was turned away when I was 23 years old, because I was a Freemason. I am now the sole survivor of my family. My parents and siblings all died young. Since I have no family I am interested in letting the church be my family. However, years ago I was endowed with life membership in the Freemasons, and this cannot be reversed unless excommunicated from the fraternity. Fr Cole commented that 1983 Freemasons were removed from canon law, but the CDF issued on 11/26/83 states Freemasons are in a state of grave sin and shall not be given communion. It’s very confusing for someone seeking spiritual direction. I would imagine the answer is still the same when I was turned away years ago. Please pray for me.
Respectfully and Sincerely,
David
Well explained, thank you
At least not anymore...
You gotta admit past misdeeds, always nice to have these little gems laying around.
Thank you Fr. Casey. Interesting topic.
From a logistics standpoint, looking at the whole Church, excommunication I assume is hard to enforce, probably why it's rarely used nowadays. I do wish something could be done though with Catholic public figures that clearly encourage change of Church teaching, such as promoting gay marriage and woman priests. Although those that do encourage it do so with such cautious wording. Likely so they can claim that's not what they're promoting, even though it's hard to understand how they are not.
(To be clear, not referencing you, Fr. Casey. Comments on here can easily be misunderstood.)
And those that support abortion. I don't understand how Catholics that openly and publicly support that barbaric practice, to the point of writing or voting for legislation allowing it, are not being excommunicated or even imposed an expiation penalty.
It's back!
What is with the click bait? I at least expected some content related to the excommunication of Luther and other heretics of the reformation. It was a great presentation, but I would still like to know more about the thinking of the church related to the heretics of the reformation.
Thank you for explaining that
Well understood now
We need to clone Father Casey ! cDNA your double come to the uk! Lol
I’ve been waiting for an explanation all my life. I wish I’d been able to share this with my grandmother.
It leaves me with a lot of questions I’ll never resolve. Later in life, my grandmother was a notorious liar, but early on all indications are that she was a devoted catholic who should have known all this. I don’t know where her information came from.
Before my mother was born, her mother- from what I’ve pieced together- had an affair with a married man at her church. Nothing happened to the man despite him being the one who’d taken marriage vows.
My maternal grandmother was excommunicated and it destroyed her. She became a severe alcoholic, she was abusive to her children (6 by at least 5 fathers), whom she allowed to be abused by her parade of boyfriends.
She got into spiritualism, which helped her a bit but her heart never really recovered from the excommunication & I felt like she lived with a “I’m going to hell anyway” mentality that prevented healing or loving herself.
As a medievalist I think in terms of the pope’s excommunication of England under Henry VIII- a political move that caused stress among the people but I think most knew God to be above the spats & squabbling of earthly leaders (even, in that scenario, the pope himself).
But as a person who never met my grandmother when she felt whole, it’s deeply personal.
Don't you hate that double standard? It would seem that the man your grandmother had the affair with should have gotten excommunicated too, but I guess men aren't considered to be responsible for their sexual choices.
@@PolymorphicPenguin Did you not read through the comment?
Why was she excommunicated????
@PolymorphicPenguin the adulterersexcommunicate thrnselves!! The Church does not have to know. It is against God's decree!!!
Henry viii separated himself from God. Therefore, his excommunion, it was not a political game, silly, he took e3% of Christianity at that time!!! The Pope let him go!!! His marriage was valid before God!!!
What is meant by/what is an example of forgiving an accomplice for a sin against the 6th commandment?
I too, would like to know the answer.
I think it means that the priest can not himself give absolution to a person which was related to him breaking the sixth commandment, e. g. if he has a mistress. It also should not apply to a situation in danger of death, if that is really meant.
Yeah, like @@xaim7344 said - the priest cannot grant absolution to any person he has done things against 6th commandment with. Only in case of near death the absolution is allowed. The excommunication only affects the priest of course in this scenario.
Thanks!
It also should be pointed out that in this case accomplice does include a person who the priest has advised (or otherwise lead) to sin against the commandment in some form, e. g. if the priest tells a person that it’s ok or even good when they engage in intercourse outside of marriage.
"If the pope attacks you first and you hit him back, you're in the clear."
- Fr. Casey
Fr Casey, hopefully you tackle the Feeneyism Hersey soon, I’m interested in it because I have seen Rad Trad engage in it
Please do, Father Casey. Someone needs to school the Rad Trads on Basic Christian Charity, since some of them never seemed to have learned it in the first place.
@@MatrixRefugee Fr, they are more obsessed with a club membership over Jesus, who is the sole cause of our salvation.
Just ask them about the Holy Innocents then. Also if you think more than a few small fringe groups are actually Feeneyists then youre very mistaken.
@@Tttb95 im not familiar with your comment, can you provide context?
@@generalyousif3640 If you need to be baptized to get to heaven why are the Holy Innocents canonized? St Dismas was also almost certainly not baptized either, yet Jesus explicitly states he will be in heaven. This shuts down Feeyenism from the get go. Its a-historical, unbiblical and just downright bad theology.
What I suspect is going on is that they are just taking the call to evangelize and the necessity of the sacraments too far in response to over-liberalism. The SSPX actually have a good letter from 2001 on Feeyenites that provides a more charitable and nuanced message, while wholly affirming Catholic dogma, and calling them ridiculous.
A general rule of thumb for trads is if they deny something the Church AND the SSPX wholly affirm theyre either idiots (most probable) or genuine schismatics (less likely).
Sounds very similar to excommunication in the Protestant tradition except for differences over the concept of automatic excommunication.
Good video. If there any evidence we can use to show how the orthodox church separated from Catholics. Or is it the Catholic who separated from the orthodox. Would be a great future video. Thank you FATHER. 🙏🏻🕊☝🏻🙌🏻⛪️🫶🏻👍🏻😇
The split was pretty mutual with mistakes made on both sides and many factors almost unavoidable. ruclips.net/video/EWOpn8tRBME/видео.html
@Breaking In The Habit Thank you so much. Ima look into the video. Father Chris Alar mentioned a and has a good video on that also on DEVINE MERCY CHANNEL. I'll look into the one you said. Thank you so much for your fast and graceful reply FATHER. 🫶🏻👍🏻😇
Read church history published by the Church!!!
@Dvd Ortiz Thank you Ortiz... 🫶🏻🕊👍🏻😇⛪️
@@BreakingInTheHabit The schismatic eastern churches refused to accept the authority of the Bishop of Rome, the Pope. No mistakes were made by the one true Church.
okay so i'm going to ask this question: is abortion a sin in the church if it is done to save the life of the mother or preserve her health? Does a person risk excommunication in this instance?
I was taught that. Excommunication is a form of punishment, which prevents a Catholic from receiving the sacraments, thus one is not in the state of sanctifying grace, and if he dies thus he is at great risk of going to. hell 😢
Same. I left the church but to each to their own.
Threat of death removes most restrictions on receiving the sacraments. Also, as my mom likes to say "God doesn't play gotcha". if you die with a contrite heart, that's what's most important.
What if the bishop that excommunicated you no longer serves as a bishop? What if he's dead?
You go to the bishop of the diocese where you live.
The sacraments, binding or unbiding are effective. They do not depend on the moral status of the person who acted as a Chirch minister
You're screwed. Good luck!
Can someone list it all down? I can't actually heard it very well, due to me not so fluent in English.. Can't totally trust the subtitles/caption 100% too.. With the list, I can refer some words from the dictionary.. Thanks..
I have always thought(because of 1 Corinthians 5) that the purpose of excommunication is to make clear that we don't encourage certain kind of behaviours; because gentiles may get a wrong impression about the community and the same community may start to think that it's ok to commit some wrongdoings.
Is there still some dimension like that in the excommunication?
As a personal note, I'm shocked how many people try to justify to ignore God's commanments by just pointing out people that have done worse things without consequence.
I have heard some people saying that in real life, but I also remember few pop(and not so pop) culture references: in The Boys, the speach of Starlight; in World Without End(the novel), Caris once rationalizes the action of being a nun with a lover using a similar argument; Epicure(the greek philosopher) gave the advise of don't fear the gods, because the gods haven't punished people that has done terrible things, so they wouldn't care about some missconducts.
Would love to see you guys react to some classic
Am catholic but I do agree with some thing with Martin
There's two kinds of excommunication, according to the Catechism: 1) you can
Excommunicate yourself (hermits, but still Sacramentally doing what you are supposed to do to build up the church. I sometimes yell out loud at my own community. It's a call to conversion to and for them) Why do I do this? Because it's necessary. Paychecks are limited, turnover is high-- so much so that we may as well be making them...
The other is doing wrong enough that you accept not receiving communion until you are allowed again, but you are still receiving Sacramental care. That's how I read, hear and practice my Faith and the values of that Faith.
Didnt maddonna get this several times, went back to church and got it again for othrt stuff
Contumacy, stubbornness and insistence on sin confirms the Church decree!!! Madonna is the name of the virgin Mary and the singer does and says lewd acts and remarks in public using her name!!!
Any reason it's specifically the 6th commandment that causes excommunication to the one forgiving the breaking of it?
Were the rules regarding excommunication in the 16th century different than today?
I appreciate your video, but I don’t understand How abortion will get you excommunicated while murder doesn’t? Murder can involve far more maliciousness intent than something as mundane as going to a doctors appointment to get an abortion. I would think that the hatred required to physically murder someone would more likely turn them away from god then an abortion.
I know this wasn’t the point of the video, but it seems like so many people are turned away from Christianity because of what appears to be the callousness of the church and its followers. (Not talking about you … I love your videos … I’m talking about the public’s view of the church).
Ultimately, it feels like many Christian’s don’t seem to care about the wellbeing of the child after it is born … only before. Again, I’m not saying this about you … I’m saying this about the countless “Christian’s” that I have met who appear to just use abortion as a political weapon to hoist their own moral superiority while condemning those who might have felt there was no other option. AND I do understand that “feeling like there is no other option” would nullify the excommunication… but it doesn’t nullify the judgement that many Christians display.
Also, I know this ‘judgement’ isn’t the position of the church. Like you described, excommunication is not a punishment … I just wish more “Christian’s” held to the tenets actually described by the church rather than the lack of compassion I see all to often. To me, that judgmental approach is far more sinful than something like abortion.😮💨
Is receiving the blessed sacrament in the state of mortal sin considered as desecrating it?
No, but it is a grave sin to receive the Eucharist while in a state of mortal sin.
Thank you For Casey. Do the front & back of a bishops miter refer to the Old Testament & the New Testament?
Highly recommend Fr. Chris Alar's lecture on Extra Ecclesium Nulla Salus
So, if a woman attempts to be ordained priest, she'll be instantly excommunicated. But if someone commits mass murder, that's not grounds for excommunication?
It is the ordainer that gets excommunicated, not the "ordained".
As said in the video, excommunication isn't really punishment bit a wakeup call. I'm sure the mass murderer will face much harder times before God.
@@williamanderson7757 I think he’s trying to imply that the emphasis is being put on the wrong thing
Can someone explain why forgiving an accomplice to a sin against the sixth commandment is excommunicable?
Could you do a video over Frank Pavone, who was defroked last year?
I think that throwing away the blessed sacrament is a sacrelige and incurs a laetae sententiae excommunication per 1983 Code of Canon Law
I think so.
Great video! Can you talk about your fellow brothers and sisters in a contemplative order? What's that life like, how does it different from your day to day life?
Contemplative orders pray world-wide for the Church and humankind 24/7 throughout the year !!!!
The Gospel is so simple and clear. Jesus taught very well. Catholicism is so convoluted. I remember theology class in the Catholic college I went to, complicated. Always wondered why we never read scripture in the class. The Bible class we took was a tad better but it was the whole Bible in one semester. It’s interesting though.
Question for you, theology student: Why did Jesus make John the Baptist baptize him? Why did the Holy Spirit descend on him as a dove? Why did God the Fathe say : "This is my beloved Son on whon I am well pleased"?
Wasn't Jesus free of sin, and by being himself God, why did he go through all that??? Simple reading with
Many hours to explain!!!
@@dvdortiz9031 why did the transfiguration happen? Why the miracles? John said he wasn’t worthy to baptize Jesus. I’ll leave the answer to God. Possibly to show his humanity? Idk
@Rick Dockery I have answers fir all of your questions and you shunt my questions!!! Tell me that you do not know and I will explain to you,!!!
@@dvdortiz9031 Jesus is the way…glad u have the answers. U should be pope
The Gospel is not that simple, brother, and as you can see in the world of Christianity right now, there are many ways to misunderstand it, unfortunately.
Someone: Attack the blessed Sacrament!
Pope Francis: I'll excommunicate you if you do that!
I like this guy, I must say, 21 century Catholic clergy are waaaay nicer than 15th century ones
Yeah..Says the 600 year old guy who has personally met with 15th century ones.
How many priests excommunicated in the last 50 Years? Just a question.
That implies that someone is keeping score.
From a parental perspective, actual punitive measures would be a spanking; excommunication is a time-out.
As the Roman Catholic church has a don't ask don't tell policy this is no big deal. I married a pretty Irish lass. Her relatives and friends just gave lip service to any church teaching they didn't like. A few taught in Church schools and were promoted. No one cares about these things unless you are a Bishop perhaps: and not even then much if they don't speak out too much
A friend of mine is a Catholic. His wife (not a catholic) comitted adultery, or even worse, demanded that her new "lover" would come to live in the house of my friend.
My friend refused, but the adulterous couple didn't bother at all.
To my friend this seemed to be an impossible situation. physical violence wasn't an option.
He talked a 100 times with his adulterous wife, he talked some umpty times with priests, and found his situation excruciating, even more because there were 3 confused little kids in the game.
My friend did what in his eyes was the best solution: he divorced according to the law, and the law assigned the 3 children to him.
So, what did the church? The church excommunicated him.
Let's not sweep such things under the carpet, they happen and each time they happen they ruin lives.
That's unfortunate for your friend and that church sets a bad example of "accepting people with open arms", as a catholic myself the church has no right to do that to your friend and I hope he's doing better
Well good thing is, the Catholic Church doesn't actually have any authority to tell who's going and not going to Hell. In fact Hell doesn't exist. So it's sad for your friend but he's safe
@@balecalduin1993 Thanks a lot. However, being excommunicated doesn't mean (in the doctrine of the church) that you're going to hell.
Btw, hell does exist. Wanna get proof of that? Visit Ukraine or North Korea. However, I don't wish you to be there, of course
@@frankrault3190 Yeah temporary hells do exist, we generally make them for ourselves, but the Christian fear-tactic of eternal damnation is a myth
The church does not excommunicate for civil divorce so if your friend was publicly executed whoever did that was in error and he shouldn't worry for his soul. People misunderstand the teaching on divorce, it's never good but its only a sin if you attempt to marry someone else, or enter into a sexual relationship with another. Divorce under the law only dissolves the legal bond not the sacramental.
Scriptures on excommunication from Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 5:1-5 - A person in the Corinthian Congregation was sleeping with his father's wife. The reason for the excommuication is found in verse 5: hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
The result of this excommunication is found in 2 Corinthians 2:5-11 - The man repented, and Paul tells the Church to forgive the man and love him.
Can you elaborate on what it means to forgive an accomplice for violating the 6th commandment and why that is a bad or sinful thing?
"Thou shall not commit adultery"
If a Priest has an affair, he is not allowed to be the one to absolve the sin from his affair partner. Both parties have to go elsewhere to recieve the absolution of their sins
@Drew Askins Ohhh okay that makes sense, thank you.
its like modern world phase "suspension"
One can excommunicate himself or herself without the Church having to formally excommunicate you.
He said that by saying that you may be the only person knowing of your offense, didn’t he?
Procuring an abortion is an automatic excommunication. Aiding a person to obtain abortions, like Biden and Pelosi, also qualify for automatic excommunication. A heretic Pope Francis also qualifies.
@@carolynkimberly4021 oh my...... btw I dont think that is correct. Medical therapy is allowed, when that therapy is justified is an issue. Generally the primary guide is the issue of double effect.
Yes
Well, I’m gleefully glad I and other Episcopalians are excommunicated. We been ordaining women since 1976 and shed that antiquated, institutional misogyny.
Keep on doing it!
We’ll wake up and catch up some day! 😊
@@c.m.cordero1772 I seriously hope so. Remember, our doors are open and you’ll find the same liturgy and Mass, but progressed beyond Roman Catholic stagnation and institutionalized misogyny, homophobia, and patriarchy. We are about the Love Philosophy and Incarnational Theology of Christ, not a church that has become even more legalistic, prejudice and elitist than the Pharisees of his time.
@@TimothyRCrowe lol. Thanks. I’ve received the invitation many times. It seems you are ministering to quite a few “ recovering Catholics”. I’m sticking here for now,but might take you up on your offer someday. My brother was baptized in the Episcopalian church and my sister joined the Methodists.
just wondering if a priest got drunk and started saying stuff that people confessed to him would he be excommunicated
Using Luther in the thumbnail of this video is somewhat deceptive. The circumstances under which Luther was excommunicated were much different than they would be for someone who is excommunicated today. Excommunication in the RCC is much different today than it has been historically
I don't know how to deal with excommunication. I think it may be occasionally necessary, but it's still so cruel and can hinder the progress of the church.
It's not a punishment as it was said, but a nudge for you to reconsider what you've done. Excommunication really doesn't affect normal people - the only one of the reasons for excommunication that is I guess "the most common" is the one you get from abortion, but that in itself is a grave offence and it can be lifted just by going to the confession.
It is neccessary in my opinion, especially if people scandalize (idk the word for it in English, but basically give a very bad example to others, making the weak ones commit sins). In fact some people who should be given excommunication haven't received it (at least yet).
I don't see how it can hinder the progress of the Church though - would you like to explain what you meant by that and in which cases that the excommunication occurs?
Excommunication "cruel"? It's meant to save a soul from the error of their ways. To make them think!
@@michagryniuk294 The concept of "Heresy" is quite broad, and as for me, excommunication can interfere with the dialogue about the pressing problems of our time. For example, a person may be afraid to express his point of view on a particular religious aspect, fearing excommunication. At the same time, of course, there are situations when it is necessary.
@@Алеман "For example, a person may be afraid to express his point of view on a particular religious aspect, fearing excommunication."
No, in my experience if you're in error, or hold a view that may be in error, a person will simply just correct you that's it. Unless you continue to hold that view. In which case you're willfully choosing to hold with full knowledge that it is contrary to the Church.
Either way, you'll be very surprised to hear that there are many people within the Church that give it criticism.
@@Алеман But didn't you watch the video? It is said that you receive multiple warnings before you get excommunicated for e.g. heresy or other things as that. So you don't have to worry about that
You mention the Freemasons in passing. Why was the church hostile towards them, and why was the canon law changed?
Really the other way around. The Freemasons used to be fairly anti-Catholic in their beliefs. They’ve mellowed out.
@@BreakingInTheHabit I don't think the Freemason is mellowed out. Catholic cannot joint Freemason because they have their own oath which required the candidate to believe in god and that god can be any god not specifically the God of Judaism, Islam or Christian. That is the heresy of indifferentism. They are in their own a religion. Even now, Catholic cannot profess 2 faiths as Judaism and Catholic. Catholic belongs to one faith and one faith alone. Less that we cannot under jurisdiction of the Holy See and of Judaism or Eastern churches at the same time, how can we be with Freemason? Even the law might be removed but being a Catholic Freemason is every bit against every teaching of the Church. May Popes had warned us about Freemason in the past and they are still the same group today. Don't be fool because they went of the public radar.
In our protestant church, we teach that any belligerently unrepentant sin can be a cause for excommunication which is the church declaring that based upon your example of life, that you are not a Christian. The hope is that by so declaring, the person will be humbled to realize that they are not right with God, will repent, and be restored in their relationship with Christ. It is not punitive but not wanting someone to stand before Jesus and have him say, "I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness." Better to hear that now from a loving church and repent than to hear it when it is too late to repent.
I became a Freemason as a Catholic without knowing the church discouraged it. While I’m not really a participating member anymore, it was through the Masons that I got closer and more in touch with my faith.
It was derived from medieval stonemason guilds -- and what religion would they have been? As a protty with no dog in the fight either way, I'd really like for the Vatican and the United Grand Lodge of England to sit down, go through everything that the Vatican is worried about to see if it's present in regular masonry, have UGLE say "yeah, we're sorry that England was horrifically anti-Catholic 200 years ago and that irregular masonry legitimately did go too far since then but hey, we both agree that that stuff out of line nowadays" and yeah, I think it'd be mutually beneficial to both parties.
@@abyssimus as I understand it, the church got flakey about Freemasonry after it looked into the Grand Orient of France, which is not recognized by UGLE and all regular American lodges.
@@steve3847 Oh yeah. Grand Orient of France was actually one of the tamer ones in it's strict secularism. There's also Martinism (weird "angel" magic), the rite of Memphis-Mizraim (which basically bombarded you with rather silly occultism to get you to think that all spirituality was bunkum), and others.
Worst UGLE really did was develop in an environment that was politically anti-Catholic at the time.
I also read that the Church discourages massonery because they have some quasi-religious rites.
Anyway, I think you should talk with a local priest and explain in depth your circumstances.
@@luisoncpp being in an American lodge for almost a decade, the closest thing to anything religious we did was pray to God. I think the RCC has a really outdated understanding of what most Mason lodges do.
Ex communicated means no social thing, though no talk lovemaking can be done.
(scratches head) I guess it's good news that if the pope comes after me with a big knife, I won't be excommunicated if I hit him in self defense....
You will never see that fool!!!
@@dvdortiz9031 Er, I'm joking...
Although to be fair, if I meet a guy in a dress named Francis who once worked as a bouncer in a nightclub, it better be the pope...
As an apostate, it would be interesting to hear about how one permanently leaves the church entirely.
I feel like I've hit upon a heresy here, but the TLDR of my following words are thus: "More people would be saved if the Catholic Church did not exist" FYI, I don't want this to be true, and I disagree with it, but I can't find fault with my reasoning (which does not mean faulty reasoning is not present).
1. As Catholics, we desire that all people should be saved.
2. Mortal sin “causes exclusion from Christ's kingdom and the eternal death of hell” (C.C.C. 1861)
3. Mortal Sin “requires full knowledge and complete consent.” (C.C.C 1860)
4. “Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense.” (C.C.C. 1860).
5. Without the Catholic Church we can still know Mortal Sin because “no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man.” (C.C.C. 1860).
6. By Her promulgating Her teachings, The Catholic Church removes the possibility of “unintentional ignorance” for a large portion of the human population.
7. If the Catholic Church ceased teaching the moral law, or simply disappeared, “unintentional ignorance” would flourish.
8. Therefore, the maximum amount of human souls would be saved because “unintentional ignorance” would not “causes exclusion from Christ's kingdom and the eternal death of hell”, and as Catholics, we desire that all people should be saved.
The major problem with this is that you assume that "invincible ignorance" is a magic bullet, that it automatically justifies and sanctifies a person. That is not correct. What the Church teaches is that those who are ignorant of the Gospel by no fault of their own *may* be saved; it is not beyond God's mercy. But to say that it's safer to be ignorant than informed is a major misunderstanding. Salvation is through Christ alone, regardless of whether someone is ignorant of that. Knowing Christ and his Church helps us grow in virtue and know what is good, sanctifying us. This is not the case for those who live entirely without the wealth of the Church.
You should also have mentioned interdict.
Can’t fit everything in one video, but also a good topic!
So why aren’t the Bishops more clearly stating that elected officials who push or support abortion laws (accomplice) excommunicate themselves, and cannot receive the Eucharist until they have received reconciliation for this sin and changed their public opinion????
so trying to ordain a woman is much worse than a priest who sexualy abused child? wow (the later is not even on the list)
"worse" ? I can only guess why these sins are compared, ordination is a sacrament and thus controlled by the Church. Ordination of women is against Sacred Tradition. The specific action is a heresy by which people are misled and that is the core sin. Molesting anybody is a different sin against god's commandments. Both sins are "mortal" sins and thus separate the offender from god's ways
The church should definitely stop ordaining child molesters.
Seemed to be more interested in protecting them until it got its rump- end kicked…finally.
And let's say it's all for God's glory! Now that's inspired! Ahhhh, religion and its own unique brand of morality. Making things better ALL THE TIME!@@whatsup3270
What really happened with Martin Luther way back in the 1500's?
What about divorce?