That's because this is irrelevant, none of it has any impact in combat. A plane that can stand still in air is useless and an easy target for a missile. Reality is not a movie. Just because it looks cool to you, doesn't change the fact a missile that's tracking a plane doesn't care what it looks like, it just sees an easy stationary target. You want a plane that's agile and can change direction quickly and unpredictably, because that's your only chance to dodge missiles at the last moment or perform well in dog fights. Otherwise missiles can pick you off easily. These demonstrations are absolutely irrelevant to how the plane performs in combat, it's just to impress clueless people who don't really understand how fighter jet combat looks like in reality. Su27's, Su34's and Su35's can do these fancy looking maneuvers in air as well, doesn't help them in Ukraine, and every time they enter airspace controlled by simple and rudimentary anti-air defense systems Ukraine has, which is FAR from being as good or nearly as dense and multilayered as what NATO has for example, these planes got shot down. They have an almost 100% failure rate in missions into areas without full air superiority. We saw the same in 1999 in Yugoslavia when Mig29's and F16's were meeting regularly, Mig29's literally posed no threat at all, they were easy targets. So yea, what looks cool on an airshow is not what wins battles. In general whats' shown in air shows is not relevant in combat, that's why it's shown. Nobody will show secrets to their enemies publicly. And if you take what's demonstrated on air shows, then you want something that's at least potentially useful, like the super agility of the Rafale, instead of airplanes that can stop midair and fall like a leaf, making them the easiest possible target for missiles.
Agree with the irrelevance aspect. Looks cool for sure! Also if you watch F22 vids it appears the FBW limits the AOA to a relevant amount. In other words not killing all forward velocity as, has been said becoming stationary is pointless. It also recovers airspeed much quicker than the 57. Maybe the newer engines will improve this though. There’s no doubt conscious design decisions were made and more stealth was prioritised with the F22.
~If only this are the prototype version as being claimed - Can't imagine what are this plane manuvering capibility with their latest upgraded engine might be.~ ~Uraaa~❤❤❤~
Yes to all. And I can confirm, seeing it live is quite something else entirely. Even better, seeing it from right underneath if you get a pass to the spotter platform. That's truly mental.
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@@lars9966 oh really!!! So where is the proof ?? There is a video of Ka-52 dodging Manpad missile at close range (Wagner rebellion) is there any video of western weapons!?? Oops sorry I forgot western weapons are only used against goat herders
How many thousands of hours did the pilot spend in the flight simulator before he wanted to attempt these flight maneuvers in the airplane? I wonder how these maneuvers can be used in the everyday life of war? Drones and surface-to-air missiles against aircraft are becoming increasingly intelligent. And the hypersonic missiles take on the job of destroying the enemy with the highest precision and effectiveness. I am sure that such high technology aircraft are a status symbol of Russia's innovative strength. A symbol of innovation and the ability to show what the Russians are capable of!💯💯💯👍👍👍
In normal use, you wouldn't do any of this. But they have their place if for whatever reason two similar jets were to merge in close quarters dogfight, which may not be as crazy of an idea as many would have you think.
Denk doch mal nach... Ein Flugzeug was so wendig in der Luft ist... ist schneller hinter dem Feind als er gucken kann... Ich habe noch nie einen Ami ein Cobra Manöver fliegen sehen... Du???
Thanks! The Raptor can definitely flat spin and also do this maneuver (flatspin while flying horizontally), because the main driver for the maneuver are the differential stabs, which both aircraft have of similar shape and geometry, also placed with similar distances to CG. But the Su-57 has a lot more control over that maneuver, so it can do it in ways that the Raptor really can't. Plus, it has the TV nozzles to help! ;)
@Airguardian the f-22 has pitch thrust vectoring, and the pilot can manually differentiate thrust to have yaw tvc, and you don't really need roll when you're going like 50kts during that maneuver
@@whiffingherbs You need yaw, more than you need roll to keep control of the aircraft, and although it may well be possible to use differential thrust to achieve it, the degree of control that gives is way worse than what thrust vectoring allows, first because of the delay in engine spool up and deceleration, and second because of the little leverage that each engine will exert since they are so close to the centerline on the Raptor.
raptorul vostru este preistoric, de acolo cred ca i se trage si numele.... raptorul vostru nici nu viseaza ce poate face Su-57.... Titaniul, asta face diferenta intre galeata cu aripi americoida si adevaratul avion de generatia a cincea, Su-57.... raptorul unde a luptat pana acum? Undeva prin Siria si acolo l-a un Su-35 pe la spate, ca raptorul este dotat rau de tot si habar nu a avut de unde a aparut nacajitul de Su-35, care, intre noi fie vorba, este cu 5 clase peste raptor si maimutza aia cu aripi.... lightening parca....
If the f22 tries only one of these maneuvers, it will break apart. That f22 that caches fire and C crashed ones while taking off? You ppl are bathing in us propaganda day in day out.
Ľudia je to pekné ale načo su tie preteky kto s koho Rusko ako národ nik nepremože a RUSI vojny nechcú pozri te sa do vnútra seba vojny zišli len zo západu 😭🇸🇰🇨🇿🇷🇺
you can see its NOT happening like in the movie. in the movie the SU57 spins in mid air retaining its altitude. in the real life, you have seen it in the video, its stall for over 2 seconds straight vertical, gain some 700 feet-800 feet altitude and than VERY SLOWLY rotating as it losing altitude. that WILL NOT DODGE any missile. instead will put the plane in a sitting duck or more like floating duck position. the only logical function of it is to make bogey chasing close to overshoot. the same way the cobra intended to be. hollywood with its exaggeration. and like i have mentioned it often, in real world, by instinct, the bogey once seeing the chased plane pull hard vertical like that would immediately do a hard break left or right or follow along and pull vertical in full power. which if you follow that latter option up, it will put the cobra maneuvering sukhois in detrmimental position, when the overshoting bogey instead gaining high altitude flipping with its nose pointing down the now IN FRONT and below sukhoi. anybody who thinks you could aim your "brrrrrt" while you are stalling from a cobra or the "spinning" version of it accurately in real world situation is delusioning. even if you are very good with that little "joycap" on your flight stick.
Strong disagree. The way I see it on the movie it also loses altitude. One way or another, there are difficulties to establish actual gain and loss of altitude in both cases due to perspective, but I've seen it with my own eyes, and I can tell you there's essentially no loss of altitude. One way or another, the maneuver can be performed in such a way that you lose altitude or not. It depends a lot on execution, starting speed and starting flight trajectory. Exactly the same as the cobra maneuver. If the maneuver will dodge a missile or not, I have no clue, and doubt you could know for sure either, but I agree with you that this maneuver makes more sense to force an overshoot when you have an opponent on your 6. You just make that move and after the other guy passes you by you could blow it out of the sky with a short range heatseeker. Of course, if there are other enemy jets around, you'd be doing yourself a poor favour by bleeding so much energy but that's not to say the capability is without its merits.
@@Airguardian si cu cine sa se bata Su-57? cu o galeata cu aripi care are 27 de tone masa la decolare, fata de 38 de tone a lui Su-57? cu o galeata cu aripi care zboara cu 1,6 Mach fata de 2 Mach a lui Su-57? cu o galeata cu aripi care are plafon de zbor 15000 de metri fata de Su-57 care are 20000 metri plafon de zbor? cu cine sa se bata Su-57, care are 3500 de km raza de actiune? cu o galeata cu aripi care are 833 de km raza de actiune? Ba, asta ne spune Wiki, aia americaneasca si sigur minte in favoarea licuriciului...
They are all in testing stage, but that's not unlike any other modern combat aircraft project. These get dragged along for a long time. Arguably, they are quite mind blowing what they already offer for being just in the test stage compared to jets that even after reaching IOC were essentially useless in a real life scenario. If anything, the blame is with the delay in the development and testing of the new engines, not the airplane itself which is more than proven at this point.
@@Airguardian well the f35 is better and is better looking, as they managed mae 1000 units already! and Su 57 they probably made 4 or 5 😆😆. Oh and China's J20 Mighty Dragon 500 units so that puts the su 57 in the pitts. It's just a F22 with engine problems that is what it is a failed F22 Raptor. I actually use to be fan of the Su 57 when it first came out back 2017 but since the developmental issues it put me off from liking it so Americans always win on fighters in case Turkey come in to the equation
@@puremagiclimited The F35 is a POS. Heavy, huge, overhyped and unable. Another coup for the US defense primes that kill great planes. See the Arrow, TSR2, etc.
@@puremagiclimited There are over 20 Su-57s, but that’s not what matters. What matters is that Russia’s main fighter is the Su-35 which is built in great quantities, 140-150 only for the Russian air force, compared to 180 or so F-22s in service with the USAF… and it’s the Su-35 that was made to challenge the F-22, and the F-22 was built after India demonstrated who’s the boss when Su-30MKI trashed F-15 in exercises, which was acknowledged even by American general at the time… Combine 150 Su-35s with hundreds more Su-30SM(2) and MiG-31s (which achieved kills against Ukrainian fighters from over 200km!), plus more and more Su-57 that are to come… Russia is no joke!
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At this slow speed and the aerobatic movement like a piece of paper floating in the air, the American plane will fall like a stone!
The F-22 can do the same
**¬ to mention the su-57 falls like a brick cuz it is one**
The F-22 gets close, but can't really do the exact same, it's more limited.
That's because this is irrelevant, none of it has any impact in combat. A plane that can stand still in air is useless and an easy target for a missile. Reality is not a movie. Just because it looks cool to you, doesn't change the fact a missile that's tracking a plane doesn't care what it looks like, it just sees an easy stationary target. You want a plane that's agile and can change direction quickly and unpredictably, because that's your only chance to dodge missiles at the last moment or perform well in dog fights. Otherwise missiles can pick you off easily. These demonstrations are absolutely irrelevant to how the plane performs in combat, it's just to impress clueless people who don't really understand how fighter jet combat looks like in reality. Su27's, Su34's and Su35's can do these fancy looking maneuvers in air as well, doesn't help them in Ukraine, and every time they enter airspace controlled by simple and rudimentary anti-air defense systems Ukraine has, which is FAR from being as good or nearly as dense and multilayered as what NATO has for example, these planes got shot down. They have an almost 100% failure rate in missions into areas without full air superiority. We saw the same in 1999 in Yugoslavia when Mig29's and F16's were meeting regularly, Mig29's literally posed no threat at all, they were easy targets.
So yea, what looks cool on an airshow is not what wins battles. In general whats' shown in air shows is not relevant in combat, that's why it's shown. Nobody will show secrets to their enemies publicly. And if you take what's demonstrated on air shows, then you want something that's at least potentially useful, like the super agility of the Rafale, instead of airplanes that can stop midair and fall like a leaf, making them the easiest possible target for missiles.
Agree with the irrelevance aspect. Looks cool for sure! Also if you watch F22 vids it appears the FBW limits the AOA to a relevant amount. In other words not killing all forward velocity as, has been said becoming stationary is pointless. It also recovers airspeed much quicker than the 57. Maybe the newer engines will improve this though. There’s no doubt conscious design decisions were made and more stealth was prioritised with the F22.
Excelente desempeño mi amado SU-57. Saludos desde la patria de Bolívar y Chávez.
Saludos!
~If only this are the prototype version as being claimed - Can't imagine what are this plane manuvering capibility with their latest upgraded engine might be.~
~Uraaa~❤❤❤~
Nice flying, excellent. Great pilots.
Sergey is a hell of a pilot! :D
Thanks you Sergio. Bogdan 👍👍😍😍😍👍👍🌹🌹🌹🌹❤
This was sick, bet even better to see it live. There needs to be a decent RC twin 80mm version made asap
Yes to all.
And I can confirm, seeing it live is quite something else entirely. Even better, seeing it from right underneath if you get a pass to the spotter platform. That's truly mental.
It’s like a leaf falling
Yep!
The flat spin maneuver is often called 'falling leaf' for that very reason!
Maple leaf
Salute to pilot skills
Good show
Yup!!! Agree! :D
Очень красиво показали пилоты способности истребителей Су - 57 . Спасибо за прекрасное видео . 😎
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Holy shit. THAT'S AWESOME!
Indonesia must buy 100 Su 57
SU-57 = sofisticate!!🧐
Wow ! Bravo Ruski !
Amazing and all but I miss the RC flights
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Indeed !
Fantástico
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damn my 360° all aspects IRIS-T missile enjoys the show aswell! 😵🧐
ROFL
Su-57 is equipped with 101KS-O DIRCM (Directed Infrared Counter Measures system
@@Neo-ue6kt every airframe nowadays has it... just the difference is that the once of the west works as intended
@@lars9966 oh really!!! So where is the proof ?? There is a video of Ka-52 dodging Manpad missile at close range (Wagner rebellion) is there any video of western weapons!?? Oops sorry I forgot western weapons are only used against goat herders
How many thousands of hours did the pilot spend in the flight simulator before he wanted to attempt these flight maneuvers in the airplane? I wonder how these maneuvers can be used in the everyday life of war? Drones and surface-to-air missiles against aircraft are becoming increasingly intelligent. And the hypersonic missiles take on the job of destroying the enemy with the highest precision and effectiveness. I am sure that such high technology aircraft are a status symbol of Russia's innovative strength. A symbol of innovation and the ability to show what the Russians are capable of!💯💯💯👍👍👍
In normal use, you wouldn't do any of this. But they have their place if for whatever reason two similar jets were to merge in close quarters dogfight, which may not be as crazy of an idea as many would have you think.
@@Airguardianwestern are always jealous of Russian Birds
Denk doch mal nach... Ein Flugzeug was so wendig in der Luft ist... ist schneller hinter dem Feind als er gucken kann... Ich habe noch nie einen Ami ein Cobra Manöver fliegen sehen... Du???
Вот что творит наш су 57 который на заклепах и из фанеры как говорят укры, а что тогда говорить о настоящей техники, это будет вообще космос.
Linda very good Su-57 good splendide please very happy ❤❤❤
Insanity!! Have you done that yet in your Su35 with Tuckie A2A!!!???
Yes! And also with the Raptor and a number of other jets!
Strong
El su 57, es como un águila volando... El f22 parece un murciélago...
xD
Nice video as always . I saw the F-22 do a flat spin like this as well.
Thanks! The Raptor can definitely flat spin and also do this maneuver (flatspin while flying horizontally), because the main driver for the maneuver are the differential stabs, which both aircraft have of similar shape and geometry, also placed with similar distances to CG. But the Su-57 has a lot more control over that maneuver, so it can do it in ways that the Raptor really can't. Plus, it has the TV nozzles to help! ;)
@Airguardian the f-22 has pitch thrust vectoring, and the pilot can manually differentiate thrust to have yaw tvc, and you don't really need roll when you're going like 50kts during that maneuver
@@AirguardianI mean the raptor can do it too as the below comment tells. Just no need for it in doctrine.
@@whiffingherbs You need yaw, more than you need roll to keep control of the aircraft, and although it may well be possible to use differential thrust to achieve it, the degree of control that gives is way worse than what thrust vectoring allows, first because of the delay in engine spool up and deceleration, and second because of the little leverage that each engine will exert since they are so close to the centerline on the Raptor.
And what happend when u woke up ?? 😅😅😅
Wow this incredible video of the su 57 you should come to America to see the f22 raptor thats another awesome fighter jet
raptorul vostru este preistoric, de acolo cred ca i se trage si numele.... raptorul vostru nici nu viseaza ce poate face Su-57.... Titaniul, asta face diferenta intre galeata cu aripi americoida si adevaratul avion de generatia a cincea, Su-57.... raptorul unde a luptat pana acum? Undeva prin Siria si acolo l-a un Su-35 pe la spate, ca raptorul este dotat rau de tot si habar nu a avut de unde a aparut nacajitul de Su-35, care, intre noi fie vorba, este cu 5 clase peste raptor si maimutza aia cu aripi.... lightening parca....
I want to!
@@Airguardian what one would you say is louder the f 35 or su 57
@@josephmelchiore3464Good question. F-35 is very noisy
If the f22 tries only one of these maneuvers, it will break apart. That f22 that caches fire and C crashed ones while taking off?
You ppl are bathing in us propaganda day in day out.
Berkat pameran udara China 2024 jadi ramai lagi F 22 vs SU 57.....
Ľudia je to pekné ale načo su tie preteky kto s koho Rusko ako národ nik nepremože a RUSI vojny nechcú pozri te sa do vnútra seba vojny zišli len zo západu 😭🇸🇰🇨🇿🇷🇺
It was MOVIE.
But this video isn't ;)
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🫡😎🥳
^^
No rival... Marvel
Top Gun 15:30 )))
you can see its NOT happening like in the movie. in the movie the SU57 spins in mid air retaining its altitude. in the real life, you have seen it in the video, its stall for over 2 seconds straight vertical, gain some 700 feet-800 feet altitude and than VERY SLOWLY rotating as it losing altitude. that WILL NOT DODGE any missile. instead will put the plane in a sitting duck or more like floating duck position.
the only logical function of it is to make bogey chasing close to overshoot. the same way the cobra intended to be. hollywood with its exaggeration.
and like i have mentioned it often, in real world, by instinct, the bogey once seeing the chased plane pull hard vertical like that would immediately do a hard break left or right or follow along and pull vertical in full power. which if you follow that latter option up, it will put the cobra maneuvering sukhois in detrmimental position, when the overshoting bogey instead gaining high altitude flipping with its nose pointing down the now IN FRONT and below sukhoi.
anybody who thinks you could aim your "brrrrrt" while you are stalling from a cobra or the "spinning" version of it accurately in real world situation is delusioning. even if you are very good with that little "joycap" on your flight stick.
Strong disagree. The way I see it on the movie it also loses altitude. One way or another, there are difficulties to establish actual gain and loss of altitude in both cases due to perspective, but I've seen it with my own eyes, and I can tell you there's essentially no loss of altitude. One way or another, the maneuver can be performed in such a way that you lose altitude or not. It depends a lot on execution, starting speed and starting flight trajectory. Exactly the same as the cobra maneuver. If the maneuver will dodge a missile or not, I have no clue, and doubt you could know for sure either, but I agree with you that this maneuver makes more sense to force an overshoot when you have an opponent on your 6. You just make that move and after the other guy passes you by you could blow it out of the sky with a short range heatseeker. Of course, if there are other enemy jets around, you'd be doing yourself a poor favour by bleeding so much energy but that's not to say the capability is without its merits.
@@Airguardian si cu cine sa se bata Su-57? cu o galeata cu aripi care are 27 de tone masa la decolare, fata de 38 de tone a lui Su-57? cu o galeata cu aripi care zboara cu 1,6 Mach fata de 2 Mach a lui Su-57? cu o galeata cu aripi care are plafon de zbor 15000 de metri fata de Su-57 care are 20000 metri plafon de zbor? cu cine sa se bata Su-57, care are 3500 de km raza de actiune? cu o galeata cu aripi care are 833 de km raza de actiune? Ba, asta ne spune Wiki, aia americaneasca si sigur minte in favoarea licuriciului...
The hilarious thing about this fighter they have got about two in operation and the others are still in testing stage 😂😂
They are all in testing stage, but that's not unlike any other modern combat aircraft project. These get dragged along for a long time. Arguably, they are quite mind blowing what they already offer for being just in the test stage compared to jets that even after reaching IOC were essentially useless in a real life scenario. If anything, the blame is with the delay in the development and testing of the new engines, not the airplane itself which is more than proven at this point.
@@Airguardian well the f35 is better and is better looking, as they managed mae 1000 units already! and Su 57 they probably made 4 or 5 😆😆. Oh and China's J20 Mighty Dragon 500 units so that puts the su 57 in the pitts. It's just a F22 with engine problems that is what it is a failed F22 Raptor. I actually use to be fan of the Su 57 when it first came out back 2017 but since the developmental issues it put me off from liking it so Americans always win on fighters in case Turkey come in to the equation
@@puremagiclimited The F35 is a POS. Heavy, huge, overhyped and unable. Another coup for the US defense primes that kill great planes. See the Arrow, TSR2, etc.
@@puremagiclimited There are over 20 Su-57s, but that’s not what matters. What matters is that Russia’s main fighter is the Su-35 which is built in great quantities, 140-150 only for the Russian air force, compared to 180 or so F-22s in service with the USAF… and it’s the Su-35 that was made to challenge the F-22, and the F-22 was built after India demonstrated who’s the boss when Su-30MKI trashed F-15 in exercises, which was acknowledged even by American general at the time…
Combine 150 Su-35s with hundreds more Su-30SM(2) and MiG-31s (which achieved kills against Ukrainian fighters from over 200km!), plus more and more Su-57 that are to come… Russia is no joke!
Brutal este avión y piloto
Los veo y me es quedado atónito