Not a criticism, just an observation, Ian does not have combat experience. Some combat vets, may not know the historical/mechanical details as Ian, but do have that unique combat perspective. I would love for Ian to get more interviews with people who've used weapons in combat situations for their opinions. With his connection he can probably access people from many varied settings, such as Balkens, Falklands, N. Ireland, Philippines, Sub-Sarahan Africa, etc. Some comes to mind, an elderly Vietnam Vet showed me his pic at 21 y/o with crossed bandoleers of linked 7.62mm while holding M-16, 5.56mm. He explained, many grunts carried extra ammo for M-60, hence the 7.62 ammo in same pic as 5.56mm rifle. A Bosnian with an AK and a M48 Yugo Mauser on back-explained for long range more precision shots. A Nigerian military vet with a .303 Lee-Enfield and AK pouches- claims again carried for more precision long range shot.
Dor Aran I don’t think combat experience automatically makes one qualified to talk as an expert on specific weapon platforms. It may sound paradoxical but just look at the pacific theater for a second and all of the returning GI’s talking about how garbage the Japanese small arms are and how they don’t work and explode and whatever other nonsense propaganda was fed to them. Also look at myths like the M1 Carbine doesn’t have enough power to kill Koreans wearing layers of winter clothing that some Korean war vets ended up spreading likely because they weren’t making hits at all. These are guys who are there and they sometimes end up spreading the biggest myths and falsehoods.
I would say that experience is an enhancing feature, but cannot be taken in isolation. We have a similar issue with tanks: Witness the allegations from troops that the M4 was a “death trap” from observation despite the empirical results which can be tabulated. That said, experience can provide a perspective which cannot be easily learned by other routes. For example, the acquisition and engagement process in this video can be “book learned”, but comes almost without thought to a tanker.
@@doraran2138 I think if you saw a guy with an m16 carrying 7.62 nato it wouldnt be a far reach to guess why he was carrying it. Let's not galaxy brain ourselves into thinking it takes some combat experience to figure that one out
Just have it happen whenever you guys get another armored vehicle, preferably not american but tanks and APCs not made in America are a fair bit rarer here
Your company closely associated with Ian. Several have referred to him as "Gun Jesus". Imagine if he were called "Gun Mohammed" and the insensitivity that would invoke. Mockery of any religion is wrong and while Ian has can't control the posters, he can act to publicly request it stopped and delete those mocking posters. Perhaps you may have some sway or influence also to clean this up. Do you really want Rock Island associated with this religious mockery? Ian has an excellent channel, does an excellent presentation, and quite knowledgeable. This religious mockery, by a very low class element deteriorates the quality of Forgotten Weapons.
Here's a trivia fact: the reason why they do lanyard pulls to fire the cannon is because of an incident involving an M18 Hellcat where the breech exploded, killing the owner. Ever since, it's been something of a requirement to fire the cannon without anyone inside the turret.
Thanks for that bit of info, I figured there must've been some tragic event to enforce that health and safety rule. Its a shame they cant fire traditionally, within the turret, but it would be a much worse shame if they weren't able to go home afterwards.
With regard to that detail of being able to dismount the MGs. The last VC of the European War was won by Guardsman Edward (Eddie) Colquhoun Charlton, Irish Guards, a Bow Gunner on Shermans. Guardsman Charlton had dismounted the .30 cal from the Turret after his tank had suffered a total electrical failure. At the point that his unit, which had no operational tanks remaining, and the accompanying Infantry we about to be overrun by a larger force of Infantry supported by multiple Assault Guns, he advanced into the open, firing from the hip with his .30 cal, repelling the approaching lead Company (there were more behind them) of Germans. He continued to fire after twice being wounded, supporting the gun on a garden fence, until he passed out after a third wound. He died shortly afterwards, whilst being treated by the enemy. His action held the enemy off long enough for the surviving Tankers and Infantry to escape. Guardsman Charlton's VC was largely the result of recommendation and evidence from the German officers of the units assaulting Wistedt, Lower Saxony, Germany on the 21st April 1945, during which action he lost his life.
I'd like to share below clip to show proper respect and also to share what Guardsman Charlton probably went through. ruclips.net/video/vj3rcOBhqt8/видео.html Above clip is from a large-scale simulated combat training using MILES in South Korea. It shows a ROK K1 tank crew member using a dismounted M60D (usually pintle mounted for loader) after his tank was disabled due to a simulated hit by a RPG (actually Panzerfaust 3 in the simulation). Above clip is from a documentary showing ROK 23rd Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division "White Skull" face off against dedicated OpFor unit during a large-scale simulated combat training at the Korea Combat Training Center (KCTC).
@@dak4465 hold on now my dude, lets not pretend ww2 was fought with respect or civility. My grandfather was on the eastern front and was adamant that it was anything butt.
"they put .50s on bloody everything" mark my words, we will be using m2s in space. we will mount m2s on space craft for knife fighting range, we will mount them on remote short range drones, will mount them on the doors of planetary dropships, we will mount m2s on whatever bipedal weapons platforms the future may bring. the materials may change, the ammo may change, the users may change, but the m2 will NOT change in any significant manner in any foreseeable future.
Only when all the stars have gone out and all life is long gone will the M2 finally rest. And then only for a moment. After all you never know what you might need in what ever after life might exist.
@Comrade Kong In any situation where it would be acceptable to shoot at men, it is equally acceptable to shoot at women and children. If they are armed and present a risk to your unit you shoot them kids and don't worry about it that much at the moment.
How can we convince the almighty employer to let us have more if we already have WoT? We could just make alt accounts every time you give us collaborations, but that'll drive down your player retention stats.
I'm reminded of Adam Savage's famous line from Mythbusters. "I reject your reality and substitute my own." As long as you have mechanized transport, there's no such thing as too many guns. You never regret the extras you didn't have to use, you hope to survive and regret not having the extra you could have brought.
Having guns all around the vehicle was actually disruptive for combat effectiveness - you would be shooting at "everything but really nothing at all" as Mr. David Fletcher once put it.
My favorite gun to shoot on my M1A1 Abrams was the .50 with the 3x sight. If you tweak the mount just right you can put single rounds on target out to 1000 meters.
Ian caught what The Chieftain was saying and even made a joke about it. What he was saying was in regards to actual combat use, and refers to the old adage of "an unused weapon is a useless weapon", meaning, if you have more guns that you have individuals to use them, then some of the guns go unused and therefore are a useless mass of extra weight. efficiency is key, not the number of guns. adding more guns reduces the amount of ammo you can carry, and therefore affects all of the guns.
@Carnivorus having a stabilizer wasn't the issue. The problem was that we kept it so secret that no one knew how to use it except for a handful of Armoured units. They actually loved it. We got rid of it because we wanted a more advanced system.
Carnivorus tankers that were actually taught how to use and maintain the stabiliser loved it though. I would have too, it would have allowed me to get off shots a lot faster and helped me survive a lot better.
@@lavrentivs9891 Yeah, but the M2 only had a 37mm main gun, and the armor was too thin for 1942. Granted Patton loved it, for he believed in more dakka. He wanted dual M1919 coaxes.
Is it just me or did that command seem A, Worryingly official and B, casually delivered as if through experience. Still, like bayonets, tank tracks don't run out of ammo.
This was a missed opportunity for an, "Oh bugger the tank is on fire test." With Ian's agility and a big hatch Sherman he would probably be on the ground before the catch phrase was finished.
Fascinating discussion regarding the Sherman, one of the most important weapons that contributed to Allied success WW2. Nicholas has a point, 21st Army Group analysis was only 14% was armour to armour combat, the majority was fighting infantry machine guns and anti tank. Given the distribution of the German army divisions panzer to infantry and they used 2.5 million horses the numbers start to make sense. During Normandy the Commonwealth forces took on the majority of the Panzer divisions, which made sense given the availability of the 17 pounder and 6 pounder guns, subsequently 75 years ago the American units faced the Ardennes offensive, with the 76mm Sherman available. The commonwealth units tended to remove the rear turret machine gun, they were no convinced it was sensible, though they did use the mounting for a helmet, which proved very good at deceiving snipers.
When MA Duce speaks she generally gets the last word! Saw a recent military news vid where the narrator said the army had just retired the 345th MA duce ever built : AFTER 90 YEARS OF USE. Armorers said the receiver was still almost like new! Said they preferred to see it in a museum than a scrap pile.
even after watching all the "chieftain's hatch" videos, I'm still impressed at how tall that mfer is and how he still was a tanker. I know modern tanks are bigger but he still takes up all the space, and that's without wearing any combat gear or armor. Compared to that, Ian should be fine getting into anything Nick had on his channel. (even with his hat)
@@confuseatronica Was amazed the Wisconsin had a captain who was Ians height and didn't require chiropractic help after three months on her. Note if your over six feet and can fit inside an armored behemoth with out needing medical help then you are one lucky bugger.
Hey Ian. Long time viewer here, I'd just like to say that One of the best things about your videos, and no doubt one of the the prime reasons for this channels massive success, is your presentation. The manner in which you speak on the subjects of your videos compels one to listen. This channel could not be what it is with anyone else at the helm. This channel has been one of the few mainstays for me on youtube, and will continue to be for many years to come. Thank you so much Ian for what you do.
Timestamps for the different weapons for those who are interested: 0:00 - Introduction and disclosure messages 4:40 - Bow 30 cal machine gun 10:10 - Coax 30 cal machine gun 16:40 - Roof 30 cal machine gun 19:25 - Roof 50 cal machine gun 24:38 - Main cannon history 34:43 - Loading the main gun 37:47 - Optics of the main gun 40:56 - Aiming the main gun 44:07 - Firing controls for the main gun and the coax 45:28 - Firing the main gun 46:22 - Small arms of the tank crew, history and information 49:14 - Shooting the M3 grease gun 50:01 - Shooting the M1911 52:13 - Wrapping up
I love Nicholas Moran. Growing up I got into the band of the "sherman deathtraps" narrative because, well, let's face it, all the things I was reading at the time described it as a wholly unsuitable tank for the job. But his explanations and details, and insights on how the M4 really operated, the design processes, the mindset behind each change in the design, and it's actual capabilities and ergonomics completely changed my mind about the tank. His "under the hatch" series also go a long way to display up to which point the ergonomic advantage of the M4 was incredible for the time, and how much more it goes into an armored fighting vehicle than just raw gun sizes or armor thicknesses. I have to admit that originally I thought it was a case of an american being too proud and biased to admit something wasn't as great as it should've been...but didn't take me long to understand that yes, he's a proud american (even if he would get rid of a MG in a tank, something VERY unamerican, lol), but that he has all the reasons to be proud about a tank that, in my eyes, ranks very, very high between the best tanks of WW2. Maybe even the best.
I remember when I was in grade school and I was watching all the Cooper based history channel shows. I was always wondering how in the world could the Allies have won and advanced like they did with the Sherman being so useless against German tanks. Must be airpower, but then the more I read the more I realised how much pop history misses the mark.
I couldn't agree more. It took a long time for me to get out of that mindset. His "Myths of American Armor" chat was like a lightning bolt. He used faaaaacttsss, and daaattttaaa. Not anecdotal stories. It also started me questioning the T-34. A tank that was universally praised as one of the best tanks of the war when in reality, it was far more of a Death Trap than the Sherman. I even started digging deeper and saw where Soviet armor crews preferred the Sherman over the T-34. Whut?!?! Heresy!! But the evidence piled up to the point where I saw the M4 with the short 75mm as quite a decent tank now. Perhaps in the big picture, when the Pacific is included, the most significant tank of all in the war as it could, with the right ammo, engage much heavier tanks and still do what it was designed to do, support the infantry with it's excellent 75mm HE round. You still see the tired old diatribes on many WWII videos from guys that say the same shit from 30-40 years ago. The Sherman sucks, Americans were stupid, German armor was vastly superior, blah, blah blah. The sad truth is, had the Germans redesigned the PzKw IV with sloped armor, keeping the chassis and gun, it could have made a major impact in the east. Possibly even keeping up with or beating Soviet production in the earlier part of the war. Which may have made the difference. We'll never know because the German decision to build the heavier tanks was what happened and we all know their biggest enemy was just the trip to the front.
45:39 Firing that main gun via rip cord and while being outside reminded me of the T-34s, firing recycled brass shells, that is used in Yemen around 2018.
Every time I see an M4 I remember seeing a small ad in back of some of the popular magazines of the 70s... M4 Tanks for Sale $500 + Freight. I curse myself for Not buying one.
@@Bob3519 wow, then I wouldn't mind buying one, but know that they tank will worth more with factor beside inflation, probably at least couple hundred thousands now instead.
On the bright side. As you can see weve got internet now. So weve got that going for us, which is nice... Have you seen this new movie "caddy shack" its hilarious.
Gets done shooting grease gun Chieftain-"i wouldn't take this into a 3 gun competition" Gun jesus-"i would...." while giving a look like chieftain just spoke absolute blasphemy.
Upon rewatch, I love the way the Army decided to label the flashlight clips near the bow gunner's position, so that he wouldn't mistakenly think it was a place to stow a sub sandwich or something.
@@andrewcharles459 drones? No dude, you pack and prep your own vehicle and would be pretty dumb not to do so. Those big ole labels are still there though!
50:05- Gun Jesus belittles an Irish giant for hearsay against the book of machine gun and the writings of saint John Moses Browning (oil on oil canvas)
Moran is a very tall man, most armies would say he's way too tall. Watching his videos of getting in and out of tanks is.. entertaining. One of the commonalities between the two mend is there concentration on the history of firearms and armored vehicles. When must of the internet and other media is almost always concentrated on the lowest possible denomnator, you can rely on Ian and Nicholas to provide not only the history, but the why it is what it is.
@BlackDeathViral03 The bow gunner also had a little periscope window. Hardly ideal, but you could still see outside to nominally direct your fire. At 9:00 you can see it on the underside of the bow gunners hatch.
@@MrShadowpanther3 ohh took me a bit to find it but yeah that little rectanlgy bit on the hatch... guess it was used while under fire to direct the ball mount?
@BlackDeathViral03 The thing is... the M4 was a decent tank, but it wasn't the best designed tank of the war. It had some issues, the ball gun being one of them, it was cheap, it had effective armor due to the sloping, it was cheap to make, because they went the whole way with making it easy to work on, the interchangable gun mounts ect. They even helped the Soviets fix the front armor on the T-34 (which was one of the best tanks in the war, and amusingly the version that drivetanks has that you can actually fire is the T-34-85, which did have the OOMPH needed to pen a tiger's frontal armor. yeah it was at like 800 meters or closer, where the 8.8cm flak they used could pen..almost anything at like 1500m, The T-34 was one of the best tanks of the war hands down, the soviets really made one hell of a comeback considering they were still reeling from the aftermath of the October Revolution in 1917, and all of Stalin's paranoid purges in the military. OFC it wasn't Stalin directing the war, it was the much more venerable and foresighted Field Marshal Zhukov that actually broke the nazi's back as he organized the defense at Stalingrad, and Kursk (which after Kursk the USSR never lost another battle against the Nazis, and he was declared Marshal of the Soviet union, something that paranoid ass Stalin bagged him for, because he saw him as a thread) ...side ramble incoming sry
It’s to try and get people to try out world of tanks. In favor of the idea is that a lot of people are interested in this channel because of video games.
@@RG001100 That, and it also gives you a good idea of what steps you can take to make this happen again. Kinda like Project Lightning and C&R Arsenal, if WOT doesn't get enough of a bump in traffic this is less likely to happen again.
In terms of typical issuing, an _M4A1(75)_ in 1943 would have (90) 75mm. rounds, (300) caliber 0.50", and (4,750) caliber 0.30". In addition to (600) rounds of caliber 0.45" for personal/ issued smallarms and upwards of (12) hand grenades (smoke mainly, though some thermite, fragmentation, and WP smoke were used ). An _M4A2(76)W HVSS_ here would have (71) 76mm. rounds, (600) caliber 0.50", and (6,250) caliber 0.30", as well as (12) 2" smoke grenades. Plus the same (600) rounds of caliber 0.45" possibly switched out with .30" Carbine, and (12) hand grenades. With either variant, even in late 1944, carrying (10,000) rounds of caliber 0.30" inside and outside the vehicle wasn't unheard of. And presumably more or less of the rest save for the main gun. In essence, *_NEVER_* too much dakka.
@@tigre7303 I find it funny that all British made tanks had a higher burn rate than the Sherman, however the Sherman earned the reputation. Not only did the British tanks have a higher burn rate, they were nearly impossible to get out of, if the tank was hit.
There's something that makes my spine tingle about someone saying "it's almost academical at that point" when comparing a 30cal and a 50cal hitting infantry. Sure, YOU won't notice when you get dismembered instead of merely shot. Maybe that's why the .30 was more popular. Edit: "When mod deuce speaks, everybody listens." This is officially way out of my experience/awesomeness zone and I hereby remove my right to speculate about the minds of WW2 tanker crewmen.
If this were on the history channel, all the meat and potatoes of the history would be cut out, it would still take an hour to watch, there'd be 20 minutes of comercials, there'd be 10 minutes of recap from comercial breaks and they'd have a 10 minute montage of a dopey know-nothing host driving a tank over a 1992 dodge dynasty.
So what we have here is an Irishman who fought in the US army being paid by Russians to dispel the bad press of the Sherman tank with cold hard facts. The internet age is a wonderful thing sometimes.
If it helps, thanks to Soviet era, even direct neighbours lost the ability to distinguish between those, simplifying it to "Ruskie". Doesn't change the fact it's as if calling a Scotsman "English".
@@Myrth1 I mean, even their country name is just "White Russia". Belarus was basically the equivalent of a US state when it was part of the USSR, no? I always wondered what the difference was between the Soviet Republics (And by extension, the Russian Republics today), and the US states. Was it just that? A lower form of government for a more localized area? or were they semi-autonomous in some way?
Not to mention, their job is to be shot at. Tell them "Be shot at while riding a tank and play with this .50" and all they hear is "ride a tank and play with this .50"
The English " We do not like the top mounted hmg, remove it. The Germans " We have no mounting option for a topmounted gun, must have Krummlauf" The Americans " Well here's Ma Deuce and her family on top"
My Uncle Ernie was a gunner in tanks WWII. With the Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry spearheading the break out of the 2nd New Zealand Division, in operation Supercharge during the battle of El-Alamein 1942. He fought all the way up through Italy, until injured in 1944 and was repatriated back to 'Blighty.' He always said the only reason they were issued a pistol was to shoot themselves or their mates if they were trapped inside a tank that was 'Brewing Up.' A horrific thought, but being burnt alive sounds worse I guess.
I'm not vintage enough to have spent time on the M4 Sherman but I AM the correct vintage and experience for the M60A1 and A3 tank and all its systems. I can tell you they are a HOOT to "play" with but also a LOT of work to maintain. I miss those days, bumps and ouchies included.
When he talked about the .30 cal. on the top of the tank, it reminded me of what the guys who made the Gun Trucks in Vietnam did. If it wasn't permanently attached they would beg, borrow, or steal what they needed.
A nice opener to the coming festive season with 'Forgotten Weapons In the Hatch', Thank You all involved, Ian, Nicolas, their families, the ranch in Texas hosting them (as customers), the camera minions, the patreons helping fund it and the patreon & youtube suits allowing it etc.. May you both, and all, & associated family etc blah blah have a Great Festive Season, Xmas, New Beer etc!! ..nee Whisky, Guiness, Ale, or preferred tipple of choice. (dang, I'm glad I didn;t typo that one)
Just yesterday I was browsing my recommended videos ,a video of the Chieftain came up with the Rock Island auction Company. And I remembered that both chieftain and Ian review a lot of their stuffs using this companies items. So I thought, wouldn't it be cool if these 2 do a video together and. Here we are a day after...
Ian- “I didn’t want to say anything but, so far you’ve said we have too many machine guns,” Chieftain- “Yes.” Ian“You don’t like the 1911” Chieftain- “Not much... my accent isn’t entirely American.”
Ma deuce the oldest machine gun still in service going on a hundred years old and still Rock and Rollin just goes to show you can't improve upon perfection like Chieftain said when Ma deuce speaks everyone listens
@airborneleaf I'm wondering the same thing as the other guy and if the 1919 is still being used by some Oddball Nation out there the M2 is still the oldest heavy machine-gun out there so besides the M2 is nothing more than an m1919 on steroids they're the same action just beefed up they were both designed by John Browning oh and it's not 14 years because the m1919 was adopted in 1919 where as the M2 was adopted in 1926 so that would make it five years not 14
@@zoiders fair enough I'll give you the Vicar's in some third world countries but as far as the maxim goes in Ukraine that's not continuous service the M2 has been in continuous service for almost a hundred years and shows no sign of being replaced in the near future either
Ian: This thing goes over the spring looking thing over there Chieftain's mind: That's a dual-coax lifter for the M4 turrent installed over a N-17 stowage box with . . . .
British supply system for armour was already doing tank gun, 7.92 and .303 so yet another was a burden. Also the AA practice was to shut the hatches and wait until the annoying little blighters went away. No need for a .50 and it kept crews under armour. A shame that they would regularly dismount to make tea and get hit by airburst etc.Thus the invention of the Boiling Vessel. BTW the Comet's gun was also the same diameter and was termed 77mm to avoid confusion. Also BTW my father had a transport role in bringing up captured French 75mm cases from Syria to Egypt to go with the captured German 75mm shells to give the first Grants a good AT round in the Western Desert in lieu of the US supplied rounds. Nice to see Father Ted and Ian together.
i could be wrong but im pretty sure the 1911 wasnt meant for suppression while bailing out as much as it was meant for point blank engagements, such as when the enemy attempts to board your tank.
@@guvyygvuhh298 Lmao right? Anyone who plays or has ever played WoT in any serious capacity knows it's a hilariously and/or infuriatingly fucked game most of the time.
Ian and the Chieftan are my two favorite guys on RUclips. I have waited for this collaboration for years and am so happy it came true! Seeing the smiles on your faces while you each talked about things you love is fantastic. Hey Chieftain, I read that the American sight picture on the optics was not suited well for range estimation as opposed to the German optics (they had chevrons and like little circles). What is your take on that?
It is not inaccurate. I plan on doing a video on range estimation in the near future. It's not that there was no mil scale at all on the US sights, but it was a lot less flexible than those on, say, German or Soviet sights.
@@TheChieftainsHatch Thanks Chieftain! One more question to pop into your head. With the guys I play WOT with, I debate whether or not an Object 268 could ambush and destroy a modern tank such as the Abrams. I imagine getting hit by 152mm would put the Abrams crew through a significant emotional event, but the armor on the Abrams has all kinds of space magic. Further, if the Abrams could not knock out the Obj 268, air support or artillery would definitely be called in. I have read Otto Carius's "Tigers in the Mud" and he talked about how AT guns are perhaps more deadly to tanks than enemy tanks due to their concealment and the fact they will probably shoot first. As you have mentioned before, however, Americans have combined arms and call in support. That tanks don't really fight mono-e-mono. Also that there will be a platoon or more of tanks. Granted the Obj 268 was just an experimental tank, but it is a really cool tank. The sabot round from an Abrams might declare otherwise. Cheers
I saw The Chieftain in the thumbnail and didn't even realize what channel I was on until I started the video. I got so excited when I realized this was a crossover.
I was at a Wargamming event actually and shot some of these off. No sound on earth like this. Im so happy to see two of my favorite RUclips Channels together!!
"I know my small arms reasonably well", Ian, the understatement of the century
Not even Ian knows the tank and field guns. Time for a Chieftain overview video on them! And Ian, more crew served guns! :)
Not a criticism, just an observation, Ian does not have combat experience. Some combat vets, may not know the historical/mechanical details as Ian, but do have that unique combat perspective. I would love for Ian to get more interviews with people who've used weapons in combat situations for their opinions. With his connection he can probably access people from many varied settings, such as Balkens, Falklands, N. Ireland, Philippines, Sub-Sarahan Africa, etc.
Some comes to mind, an elderly Vietnam Vet showed me his pic at 21 y/o with crossed bandoleers of linked 7.62mm while holding M-16, 5.56mm. He explained, many grunts carried extra ammo for M-60, hence the 7.62 ammo in same pic as 5.56mm rifle. A Bosnian with an AK and a M48 Yugo Mauser on back-explained for long range more precision shots. A Nigerian military vet with a .303 Lee-Enfield and AK pouches- claims again carried for more precision long range shot.
Dor Aran I don’t think combat experience automatically makes one qualified to talk as an expert on specific weapon platforms. It may sound paradoxical but just look at the pacific theater for a second and all of the returning GI’s talking about how garbage the Japanese small arms are and how they don’t work and explode and whatever other nonsense propaganda was fed to them. Also look at myths like the M1 Carbine doesn’t have enough power to kill Koreans wearing layers of winter clothing that some Korean war vets ended up spreading likely because they weren’t making hits at all.
These are guys who are there and they sometimes end up spreading the biggest myths and falsehoods.
I would say that experience is an enhancing feature, but cannot be taken in isolation. We have a similar issue with tanks: Witness the allegations from troops that the M4 was a “death trap” from observation despite the empirical results which can be tabulated. That said, experience can provide a perspective which cannot be easily learned by other routes. For example, the acquisition and engagement process in this video can be “book learned”, but comes almost without thought to a tanker.
@@doraran2138 I think if you saw a guy with an m16 carrying 7.62 nato it wouldnt be a far reach to guess why he was carrying it. Let's not galaxy brain ourselves into thinking it takes some combat experience to figure that one out
While I'm sad I couldn't personally make this collab happen, I'm still super glad it did. :) Good work, lads!
I for one expect that the opportunity will arise at some point in the not too distant future...
Will you be having a RIAC Live Forgotten Weapons crossover where Ian is the gavel master?
What, like the whole auction building itself attending?
Just have it happen whenever you guys get another armored vehicle, preferably not american but tanks and APCs not made in America are a fair bit rarer here
Your company closely associated with Ian. Several have referred to him as "Gun Jesus". Imagine if he were called "Gun Mohammed" and the insensitivity that would invoke. Mockery of any religion is wrong and while Ian has can't control the posters, he can act to publicly request it stopped and delete those mocking posters. Perhaps you may have some sway or influence also to clean this up. Do you really want Rock Island associated with this religious mockery? Ian has an excellent channel, does an excellent presentation, and quite knowledgeable. This religious mockery, by a very low class element deteriorates the quality of Forgotten Weapons.
Here's a trivia fact: the reason why they do lanyard pulls to fire the cannon is because of an incident involving an M18 Hellcat where the breech exploded, killing the owner. Ever since, it's been something of a requirement to fire the cannon without anyone inside the turret.
Thanks for that bit of info, I figured there must've been some tragic event to enforce that health and safety rule. Its a shame they cant fire traditionally, within the turret, but it would be a much worse shame if they weren't able to go home afterwards.
Id take the risk
Breach explosion sounds like a one in a billion fail though 🤷
I've read that they used too much powder in the casings (8 times the safe amount?)
another reason might be that even if they were allowed to the smoke from the gun would be pretty bad because the ventilation system is not running
“He has gone off in search of a gun”
There’s a title for an autobiography of you ever write one, Ian.
*goes off in search of a gun*
*comes back with several bolted to an M4 Sherman*
With regard to that detail of being able to dismount the MGs.
The last VC of the European War was won by Guardsman Edward (Eddie) Colquhoun Charlton, Irish Guards, a Bow Gunner on Shermans.
Guardsman Charlton had dismounted the .30 cal from the Turret after his tank had suffered a total electrical failure. At the point that his unit, which had no operational tanks remaining, and the accompanying Infantry we about to be overrun by a larger force of Infantry supported by multiple Assault Guns, he advanced into the open, firing from the hip with his .30 cal, repelling the approaching lead Company (there were more behind them) of Germans. He continued to fire after twice being wounded, supporting the gun on a garden fence, until he passed out after a third wound. He died shortly afterwards, whilst being treated by the enemy. His action held the enemy off long enough for the surviving Tankers and Infantry to escape.
Guardsman Charlton's VC was largely the result of recommendation and evidence from the German officers of the units assaulting Wistedt, Lower Saxony, Germany on the 21st April 1945, during which action he lost his life.
Thank You,
No Warrior that Stands Tall so others can live. Should ever be forgotten.
I'd like to share below clip to show proper respect and also to share what Guardsman Charlton probably went through.
ruclips.net/video/vj3rcOBhqt8/видео.html
Above clip is from a large-scale simulated combat training using MILES in South Korea. It shows a ROK K1 tank crew member using a dismounted M60D (usually pintle mounted for loader) after his tank was disabled due to a simulated hit by a RPG (actually Panzerfaust 3 in the simulation).
Above clip is from a documentary showing ROK 23rd Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division "White Skull" face off against dedicated OpFor unit during a large-scale simulated combat training at the Korea Combat Training Center (KCTC).
Wow. He was such a badass even the Germans were like "give this man a medal". Amazing story, thanks for sharing.
From a time where war was fought with respect
@@dak4465 hold on now my dude, lets not pretend ww2 was fought with respect or civility. My grandfather was on the eastern front and was adamant that it was anything butt.
"they put .50s on bloody everything"
mark my words, we will be using m2s in space. we will mount m2s on space craft for knife fighting range, we will mount them on remote short range drones, will mount them on the doors of planetary dropships, we will mount m2s on whatever bipedal weapons platforms the future may bring. the materials may change, the ammo may change, the users may change, but the m2 will NOT change in any significant manner in any foreseeable future.
Only when all the stars have gone out and all life is long gone will the M2 finally rest. And then only for a moment. After all you never know what you might need in what ever after life might exist.
Long live ma deuce.
The only way to improve on the .50 is to use better materials.
Fun fact, the Russians technically beat us to that because they mounted a machine gun on the Salyut 3 space station, albeit not a 50 cal.
@@lordaznTechnically they mounted an auto cannon, which would be a good bit bigger than a .50 cal.
“Vehicle still offends me, remove it!” There’s a 99% chance that Chieftain actually said that exact phrase while commanding his Abrams at some point
Used that in training once. Kinda pissed off my gunner, though. Loader and driver thought it was hilarious.
I laughed when he said that. 😂
@Comrade Kong In any situation where it would be acceptable to shoot at men, it is equally acceptable to shoot at women and children. If they are armed and present a risk to your unit you shoot them kids and don't worry about it that much at the moment.
Comrade Kong Yep, it's gamer time
Meanwhile in the 40K universe...
"This planet offends me, remove it."
"Yes Comissar!"
"Its a wonderful smell, though! You could get high off this stuff."
That could straight up be a quote from Generation Kill XD
As a tanker, I'm blown away by how little armor crewman doctrine HASNT changed at all. Phenomenal video
“Why carry your weapon when your weapon can carry you.” Fantastic tanker quote!
I was a Submariner in the Navy. My weapon carried me and made my coffee.
@@1337penguinman I was in the Air Force. My weapon carried my officers who did my fighting for me.
"Nice Gun" - The Chieftain.
We are loving this collaboration, great video!
Sad thing is, i already play wot, so ill need to make a second account to show my support
How can we convince the almighty employer to let us have more if we already have WoT? We could just make alt accounts every time you give us collaborations, but that'll drive down your player retention stats.
Ill buy a premium in honor of this video
Keep these guys making videos!
If we don't see more of these videos I'll get my gaming buddies to delete our accounts.
"You're a tanker dammit. You're not supposed to be mucking around with machine guns..." We need more Nick and Ian.
Oh yeah, it's all coming together.
My $1 a month patreon finally pays off after two years! Lol
Time for the new MCU: the militaria curio universe!
Ian: “There’s still one more weapon left to cover-“
Chieftain: “-THE TRACKS! Driver track troops! Drive and adjust!”
I knew this comment would be here take my up vote good sir
Edit: spelling
Chieftain: DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!
Maybe it's a reference to track tensioning that he always goes on about.
@@Shalom6801 No, it's a reference to how infantry go *crunch*.
..spoken by a cake eater...lol...till the the sun goes up and you find an arm in your tracks while doing track tension...2nd day ODS, Feb.1991
“Vehicle still offends me, remove it.”
This is 100% pure gold
Merch material
"The vehicle still offends me" - Chieftain 2019
Remove it
Reminds me of James Blunt explaining to Jeremy Clarkson what it's like being an officer "Corporal, do please kill that man"
"No kill like overkill"
Someone with video editing ability needs to mash that up with the windows breaking on the cybertruck.
I'll take "Phrases you can only say if you own a military vehicles, artillery, or a tow truck, for $1000".
"They'd be annoyed if we actually shot down an airplane." Yes, that would be the word for their reaction.
I believe they would be experiencing a Significant Emotional Event, while I'm tracking them for follow up shots.
"yup.. i dont think they would like that........ that being said, lead the target when you fire"
22:50 Chieftain: "low", "short", "target", and then "all over the place!" when Ian goes for full auto 😄
Internet: Avengers Endgame is the greatest crossover event of all time!
Ian: Hold my Bertier
More like, "Hold my French 75."
Ian isn't going to let somebody else hold his bertier unless it is to pick up a FAMAS.
@@simbry49 on the off chance you weren't aware, theirs a cocktail called the French 75
@@NM-wd7kx yes that is the reference.
@@simbry49 I thought it was too much of a coincidence
Firing this 75/76 won't give me 32. french longue... but it Will put a smile on my face.
5:14 Chieftain: "If you can't use them, why have them?"
Ian: "I know all those words but that sentence doesn't make any sense!"
You can never have enough of something you do not actually need
I'm reminded of Adam Savage's famous line from Mythbusters. "I reject your reality and substitute my own." As long as you have mechanized transport, there's no such thing as too many guns. You never regret the extras you didn't have to use, you hope to survive and regret not having the extra you could have brought.
@@MacDorsai It's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Having guns all around the vehicle was actually disruptive for combat effectiveness - you would be shooting at "everything but really nothing at all" as Mr. David Fletcher once put it.
🤣🤣🤣
My favorite gun to shoot on my M1A1 Abrams was the .50 with the 3x sight. If you tweak the mount just right you can put single rounds on target out to 1000 meters.
I love it how Mr. Moran automatically calls the correction while Ian is shooting. You feel he's done that before.
He must have. Was a tank commander for the US in Iraq.
Why carry a weapon when your weapon can carry you. Words to live by.
Those and: Death before Dismount!
That would make a good shirt
@@chemech Oh bugger, the tank is on fire! (Scurries painfully out the hatch)...
Hmmmm.... drops ak begins working on plans too build a mech.....
@@jamesdillonmccracken Sure you don't want to start with a technical that can be fired from inside the cab? Just for warmup. ;-)
"I don't have a lot of time to put into playing games"
"none of us do"
"you guys do but we...not so much"
that statement hit me like a bag of bricks
The Chieftain: "If you can't use them why have them?"
Ian: Sees his frog gun collection. "Now that's just not true."
I laughed when they said that because the Chieftan is well acquainted with the need for Moar Dakka
Ian caught what The Chieftain was saying and even made a joke about it. What he was saying was in regards to actual combat use, and refers to the old adage of "an unused weapon is a useless weapon", meaning, if you have more guns that you have individuals to use them, then some of the guns go unused and therefore are a useless mass of extra weight. efficiency is key, not the number of guns. adding more guns reduces the amount of ammo you can carry, and therefore affects all of the guns.
@Carnivorus having a stabilizer wasn't the issue. The problem was that we kept it so secret that no one knew how to use it except for a handful of Armoured units. They actually loved it. We got rid of it because we wanted a more advanced system.
He does use much of that collection, to be fair.
Carnivorus
tankers that were actually taught how to use and maintain the stabiliser loved it though. I would have too, it would have allowed me to get off shots a lot faster and helped me survive a lot better.
Chieftain: If you can't use them, why have them?
Ian: I'm an American. Machine guns are part of my religion.
You'd love the M2 Medium tank then. In addition to it's main gun, it had seven (7) .30 cal machine guns with the option for two more for AA use =P
I see you too are a man of culture.
@@lavrentivs9891 Yeah, but the M2 only had a 37mm main gun, and the armor was too thin for 1942.
Granted Patton loved it, for he believed in more dakka. He wanted dual M1919 coaxes.
@@PassiveDestroyer Never said that it was a good tank, just that it had a ridiculous amount of machine guns =P
@@lavrentivs9891 In the Chieftain's words: the M2 is a self-propelled machine gun nest.
LOVE the Chieftain, ex world of tanks player here, hearing this guy's voice was familiar until I fully read the title!
#WarThunder but lets not start a war mate. I'm just taking the mick
KV-2 105mm gun fun
cheung chui hinn
@@Ken-no5ip what
You keep showing up in the most unexpected comment sections lol, hope you are doing well.
"Driver, tracks, troops, drive and adjust!"
"On the way"
Ah, yeah, what was missing from this video. Track tensioning with Ian.
Is it just me or did that command seem A, Worryingly official and B, casually delivered as if through experience.
Still, like bayonets, tank tracks don't run out of ammo.
@@Penguinius well til you run out of fuel
That may or may not have happened in 2003 in western iraq lol
The good ol' 'Neutral Steer'!!!
I like how the auto-generated subtitles translate a rumbling M4 into [music]
Functioning perfectly.
At the end I got [applause] - read my mind subtitles
Is it not?
BoFoenss is this an issue?
@Dave quite literally heavy metal
"That vehicle offends me, remove it." I hope he never gets road rage
You know the chieftain daily driver is the M3 Stuart
"I wouldn't take this into a three gun" - Whilst eyeing the .30, .50 & 76mm ultimate three gun setup.
You only need the .30 and the 76mm, for the shotgun part you have canister shot in the main gun.
You can at least be fairly certain the 75mm is going to knock down the steel for full points
This was a missed opportunity for an, "Oh bugger the tank is on fire test." With Ian's agility and a big hatch Sherman he would probably be on the ground before the catch phrase was finished.
I feel that's more of an InRange video I think.
I'm sure Gun Jesus is part spider monkey with how agile he is.
Agreed. Must be in the bloopers.
Ml by ml
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Fascinating discussion regarding the Sherman, one of the most important weapons that contributed to Allied success WW2. Nicholas has a point, 21st Army Group analysis was only 14% was armour to armour combat, the majority was fighting infantry machine guns and anti tank. Given the distribution of the German army divisions panzer to infantry and they used 2.5 million horses the numbers start to make sense. During Normandy the Commonwealth forces took on the majority of the Panzer divisions, which made sense given the availability of the 17 pounder and 6 pounder guns, subsequently 75 years ago the American units faced the Ardennes offensive, with the 76mm Sherman available. The commonwealth units tended to remove the rear turret machine gun, they were no convinced it was sensible, though they did use the mounting for a helmet, which proved very good at deceiving snipers.
The fabled crossover episode arrives!
@@ABrit-bt6ce A person they respect buy have only recently got the chance to meet? Seems to be the case.
Praise the gods
This made my day
Hope they do more collabs. Both are rock stars in very similar fields.
When MA Duce speaks she generally gets the last word!
Saw a recent military news vid where the narrator said the army had just retired the 345th MA duce ever built : AFTER 90 YEARS OF USE. Armorers said the receiver was still almost like new! Said they preferred to see it in a museum than a scrap pile.
Paul Zaborny the article I found dates this to November 2015 I hope they didn’t scrap it.
Paul Zaborny build it strong enough...then double it! Brilliant!
John Browning says hello.
_"When MA DEUCE speaks, everybody listens."_ -- The Chieftain
_"No kill like overkill."_ -- The Chieftain
😄😄😄😄😄
There is no overkill, only "Open fire" and "Reload" - Maxim #37 (Amended).
I would dig a hole if I heard that thunk thunk thunk of the .50 cal
Now give the Chieftain a Chauchat and let Ian try to fit himself inside a Panzer I. Let's see who gives up first.
@@SonsOfLorgar At least he didn't sugest a renault tank.
even after watching all the "chieftain's hatch" videos, I'm still impressed at how tall that mfer is and how he still was a tanker. I know modern tanks are bigger but he still takes up all the space, and that's without wearing any combat gear or armor.
Compared to that, Ian should be fine getting into anything Nick had on his channel. (even with his hat)
@@confuseatronica Was amazed the Wisconsin had a captain who was Ians height and didn't require chiropractic help after three months on her. Note if your over six feet and can fit inside an armored behemoth with out needing medical help then you are one lucky bugger.
My money is on Nick giving up first that French LMG was just terrible.
Give Chieftain a Chauchat and get Ian to get out of a tank on fire!
Hey Ian.
Long time viewer here, I'd just like to say that One of the best things about your videos, and no doubt one of the the prime reasons for this channels massive success, is your presentation.
The manner in which you speak on the subjects of your videos compels one to listen.
This channel could not be what it is with anyone else at the helm.
This channel has been one of the few mainstays for me on youtube, and will continue to be for many years to come.
Thank you so much Ian for what you do.
I agree
Well said!
Timestamps for the different weapons for those who are interested:
0:00 - Introduction and disclosure messages
4:40 - Bow 30 cal machine gun
10:10 - Coax 30 cal machine gun
16:40 - Roof 30 cal machine gun
19:25 - Roof 50 cal machine gun
24:38 - Main cannon history
34:43 - Loading the main gun
37:47 - Optics of the main gun
40:56 - Aiming the main gun
44:07 - Firing controls for the main gun and the coax
45:28 - Firing the main gun
46:22 - Small arms of the tank crew, history and information
49:14 - Shooting the M3 grease gun
50:01 - Shooting the M1911
52:13 - Wrapping up
I love Nicholas Moran. Growing up I got into the band of the "sherman deathtraps" narrative because, well, let's face it, all the things I was reading at the time described it as a wholly unsuitable tank for the job.
But his explanations and details, and insights on how the M4 really operated, the design processes, the mindset behind each change in the design, and it's actual capabilities and ergonomics completely changed my mind about the tank. His "under the hatch" series also go a long way to display up to which point the ergonomic advantage of the M4 was incredible for the time, and how much more it goes into an armored fighting vehicle than just raw gun sizes or armor thicknesses.
I have to admit that originally I thought it was a case of an american being too proud and biased to admit something wasn't as great as it should've been...but didn't take me long to understand that yes, he's a proud american (even if he would get rid of a MG in a tank, something VERY unamerican, lol), but that he has all the reasons to be proud about a tank that, in my eyes, ranks very, very high between the best tanks of WW2. Maybe even the best.
I remember when I was in grade school and I was watching all the Cooper based history channel shows. I was always wondering how in the world could the Allies have won and advanced like they did with the Sherman being so useless against German tanks. Must be airpower, but then the more I read the more I realised how much pop history misses the mark.
I couldn't agree more. It took a long time for me to get out of that mindset. His "Myths of American Armor" chat was like a lightning bolt. He used faaaaacttsss, and daaattttaaa. Not anecdotal stories. It also started me questioning the T-34. A tank that was universally praised as one of the best tanks of the war when in reality, it was far more of a Death Trap than the Sherman. I even started digging deeper and saw where Soviet armor crews preferred the Sherman over the T-34. Whut?!?! Heresy!! But the evidence piled up to the point where I saw the M4 with the short 75mm as quite a decent tank now. Perhaps in the big picture, when the Pacific is included, the most significant tank of all in the war as it could, with the right ammo, engage much heavier tanks and still do what it was designed to do, support the infantry with it's excellent 75mm HE round.
You still see the tired old diatribes on many WWII videos from guys that say the same shit from 30-40 years ago. The Sherman sucks, Americans were stupid, German armor was vastly superior, blah, blah blah. The sad truth is, had the Germans redesigned the PzKw IV with sloped armor, keeping the chassis and gun, it could have made a major impact in the east. Possibly even keeping up with or beating Soviet production in the earlier part of the war. Which may have made the difference. We'll never know because the German decision to build the heavier tanks was what happened and we all know their biggest enemy was just the trip to the front.
"Vehicle still offends me. REMOVE IT!"
Yep, Chieftain's a Tanker.
“Drive me closer, I wish to hit them with my sword.”
Arie Heath made me spit out my drink, ya bastard 😂
@@mushroom_gal490 I sell that as a T-shirt, sometimes.
@@arieheath7773 well in one of his videos where he was talking about the Abrams and said that his crew was issued bayonets
"Gunner!"
"Sir?"
"Do you see that vehicle?"
"Yes, sir!"
"I DON'T WANT TO."
"Yes, SIR!"
“I know my small arms reasonably well” is the possibly his biggest understatement
Maxim 37:
There is no "overkill."
There is only "open fire" and "reload."
Such a useful list even IRL.
There must also be a "stop/cease fire" once there are no longer pieces large enough to effectively hit. At that point you burn it with fire.
The gospel of Hiram Maxim?
@@JunkCCCP The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries
The sound of .50 BMG brass jingling over a tank turret sounds very festive!
It sounds like...... VICTORY!
Those are just texan jingle bells;)
It's a great sound
45:39 Firing that main gun via rip cord and while being outside reminded me of the T-34s, firing recycled brass shells, that is used in Yemen around 2018.
While he was explaining the fire commands and Ian kept saying “ok”
That was me this morning learning how to drive a front end loader
Me today learning how to arrest wife beaters
All that was needed was Steve1989 to show up with some WWII rations for the trifecta!
"Let's get this out on the tray........Nice!"
**pops open a can of .30**
Nice hiss!
That's when Ian does a video on a spork gun.
If they ever do a remake of “Kelly’s Heroes”, I know who should play Oddball and Moriarty
Knock it off with the negative waves
@@idontcare9797 It's a piece of junk! The fuel system leaks everywhere
@@michaelgregory9721 BUT IT'S A TIGER!
Johnny Dep for Oddball...and Tom Arnold for Moriarty. Not even close. Ian would make a good God in a Navy Seals remake in my opinion.
"Crazy! I mean like so many positive waves maybe we can't lose!"
-Oddball
Every time I see an M4 I remember seeing a small ad in back of some of the popular magazines of the 70s... M4 Tanks for Sale $500 + Freight. I curse myself for Not buying one.
If don't mind me asking, how much would that be in today's money taking account into inflation?
Inflation calculator says $500 in 1970 is about $3300 today.
@@Bob3519 wow, then I wouldn't mind buying one, but know that they tank will worth more with factor beside inflation, probably at least couple hundred thousands now instead.
They sold jeeps and deuce and a halfs too.
Bob3519 damn that's cheap
All that jingling from the brass is quite appropriate for this time of year.
“I think it hit the target honestly.”
Ian whispers quietly: “Yes!”
LoL
how to make an american break a sweat: "too many machine guns"
*How to make an American laugh
Fixed that for you.
Americans have never used that sentence and don’t understand that sentence “too many....machine....guns..??”
Have you seen americans. Theyre already sweating. They all weigh 500 pounds.
@chris younts Im Canadian. The fat and the weak are killed by polar bears here. The elderly freeze when our week of summer is over.
On the bright side. As you can see weve got internet now. So weve got that going for us, which is nice... Have you seen this new movie "caddy shack" its hilarious.
Gets done shooting grease gun
Chieftain-"i wouldn't take this into a 3 gun competition"
Gun jesus-"i would...." while giving a look like chieftain just spoke absolute blasphemy.
I wouldn't be surprised if this unbeliever was smitten offscreen
@Олег Козлов The_Chieftain is tank Jesus. His powers may in fact be stronger, seeing as that tanks are more powerful than small arms.
Yeah, I kindof forgot who I was talking to there, for a second.
@@TheChieftainsHatch 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheChieftainsHatch I think "But you're you." covered it nicely
Upon rewatch, I love the way the Army decided to label the flashlight clips near the bow gunner's position, so that he wouldn't mistakenly think it was a place to stow a sub sandwich or something.
It does very well holding a carton of cigarettes!
Are those labels for the crew or for the drones who fit out the vehicle?
@@andrewcharles459 drones? No dude, you pack and prep your own vehicle and would be pretty dumb not to do so. Those big ole labels are still there though!
"That vehicle offences me, remove it !"
"YES SIR"
*Unload freedom intesified*
50:05- Gun Jesus belittles an Irish giant for hearsay against the book of machine gun and the writings of saint John Moses Browning
(oil on oil canvas)
You must mean heresy, not hearsay, right?
Cool
who's Irish?
@@blazingsniper2611 Nicholas. He has gone on record that he is, indeed, Irish.
Purge the heretic
"They put on .50s on bloody everything"
Americans: *laughs in P47 Thunderbolt*
SIX, SIX .50S! OVERKILL FOR LITERALLY ANY LUFTWAFFE AIRCRAFT
laughs in A-26B
@@rebelgaming1.5.14 Try 8, the p47 had 8 M2s with around 1200 rounds each per min.
@@TwisterTLT1 Oh, wait, oops, meant the P40
@@TwisterTLT1 And the P50
As a World of Tanks player and Forgotten Weapons fan, I think this was well worth the time and trouble.
I heartily concur!
Ian: How much ammo would these things carry around
Chieftain: ..Alot
I'm not sure why this made me laugh so much
30 cal, between 4750 and 6250 rounds depending on variant.
Nicholas: "I don't like the 1911"
Ian: "HERESY"
Gun Jesus breaks 4th wall and looks at audience at that remark. Jeff Cooper spins in his grave.
Τhis crossover is my early Christmas gift
Damn look at that height difference
@@calska140 I met Nicholas at an event in Ottawa once, he is a indeed very tall individual.
@Dave: yes, but Ian is on the tall side of the majority of the male population of the US. Look at him on his videos.
@@charlesadams1721 I always assumed that Ian was tall, 6'2" or so. He's actually tiny compared to Nicholas, which was weird.
Moran is a very tall man, most armies would say he's way too tall. Watching his videos of getting in and out of tanks is.. entertaining. One of the commonalities between the two mend is there concentration on the history of firearms and armored vehicles. When must of the internet and other media is almost always concentrated on the lowest possible denomnator, you can rely on Ian and Nicholas to provide not only the history, but the why it is what it is.
The Chieftain's ready to be an original Potsdam Giant.
Firing the bow machine gun is like aiming while your peeing,
As a man, we spent time practicing every day, so maybe that's why it isn't that hard?
I thought it looked like gun Jesus with a Browning hard on pissing hot lead all over his enemies
@@wedohedoshedooowee828 Insert the Sex Machine's penis revolver gif here.
@BlackDeathViral03 The bow gunner also had a little periscope window. Hardly ideal, but you could still see outside to nominally direct your fire. At 9:00 you can see it on the underside of the bow gunners hatch.
@@MrShadowpanther3 ohh took me a bit to find it but yeah that little rectanlgy bit on the hatch... guess it was used while under fire to direct the ball mount?
@BlackDeathViral03 The thing is... the M4 was a decent tank, but it wasn't the best designed tank of the war. It had some issues, the ball gun being one of them, it was cheap, it had effective armor due to the sloping, it was cheap to make, because they went the whole way with making it easy to work on, the interchangable gun mounts ect.
They even helped the Soviets fix the front armor on the T-34 (which was one of the best tanks in the war, and amusingly the version that drivetanks has that you can actually fire is the T-34-85, which did have the OOMPH needed to pen a tiger's frontal armor. yeah it was at like 800 meters or closer, where the 8.8cm flak they used could pen..almost anything at like 1500m, The T-34 was one of the best tanks of the war hands down, the soviets really made one hell of a comeback considering they were still reeling from the aftermath of the October Revolution in 1917, and all of Stalin's paranoid purges in the military. OFC it wasn't Stalin directing the war, it was the much more venerable and foresighted Field Marshal Zhukov that actually broke the nazi's back as he organized the defense at Stalingrad, and Kursk (which after Kursk the USSR never lost another battle against the Nazis, and he was declared Marshal of the Soviet union, something that paranoid ass Stalin bagged him for, because he saw him as a thread)
...side ramble incoming sry
tank dude: Talks about getting high
Ian: Immediately changes the subject at a very loud tone
lmao
@Nh20 funny
"They concluded there are enough of you who watch ian, who also watch me and play world of tanks"
ha, the obvious cross marketing
It’s to try and get people to try out world of tanks. In favor of the idea is that a lot of people are interested in this channel because of video games.
@@RG001100 That, and it also gives you a good idea of what steps you can take to make this happen again. Kinda like Project Lightning and C&R Arsenal, if WOT doesn't get enough of a bump in traffic this is less likely to happen again.
@@Rabidwall it's a shame because I already play WoT. Maybe I'll make an in game purchase in honour of this video haha.
I watched both channels independently and I was surprised to see them together. I prefer War Thunder tho, so... fail marketing.
@@jwalt2032 might give it a go, but I'm a console pleb, so I'm not sure if the codes work on PS4.
Tank designer: so how much ammunition do you want this thing to carry?
US army: Yes
In terms of typical issuing, an _M4A1(75)_ in 1943 would have (90) 75mm. rounds, (300) caliber 0.50", and (4,750) caliber 0.30". In addition to (600) rounds of caliber 0.45" for personal/ issued smallarms and upwards of (12) hand grenades (smoke mainly, though some thermite, fragmentation, and WP smoke were used ). An _M4A2(76)W HVSS_ here would have (71) 76mm. rounds, (600) caliber 0.50", and (6,250) caliber 0.30", as well as (12) 2" smoke grenades. Plus the same (600) rounds of caliber 0.45" possibly switched out with .30" Carbine, and (12) hand grenades. With either variant, even in late 1944, carrying (10,000) rounds of caliber 0.30" inside and outside the vehicle wasn't unheard of. And presumably more or less of the rest save for the main gun.
In essence, *_NEVER_* too much dakka.
@@peterson7082 and still had a low burn rate and high crew survivability
@SCP 096 Probably because its supposed to be a gun only topic. There is a very good mythbusting sherman tank video.
Most WW2 tanks had huge ammo storages. Panthers had 60+ rounds of ammo
@@tigre7303 I find it funny that all British made tanks had a higher burn rate than the Sherman, however the Sherman earned the reputation. Not only did the British tanks have a higher burn rate, they were nearly impossible to get out of, if the tank was hit.
There's something that makes my spine tingle about someone saying "it's almost academical at that point" when comparing a 30cal and a 50cal hitting infantry.
Sure, YOU won't notice when you get dismembered instead of merely shot. Maybe that's why the .30 was more popular.
Edit: "When mod deuce speaks, everybody listens." This is officially way out of my experience/awesomeness zone and I hereby remove my right to speculate about the minds of WW2 tanker crewmen.
Ma. Ma Deuce. Not mod.
The prophecy has been filled. Gun Jesus hath been engulfed by the armour as it was predicted in “The Book of Kaboom.”
Where did that come from🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣love it
Amen
Amen
praise be gun jesus
Thus Spake the Book of Armaments, Amen!
If this were on the history channel, all the meat and potatoes of the history would be cut out, it would still take an hour to watch, there'd be 20 minutes of comercials, there'd be 10 minutes of recap from comercial breaks and they'd have a 10 minute montage of a dopey know-nothing host driving a tank over a 1992 dodge dynasty.
@Max William Lauf can't forget those...
@Max William Lauf r lee ermey is already a caricature of bad leadership. That is why the show probably has him as the cheesy host.
@Max William Lauf And there would be aliens or bigfoot nazis
You pretty much nailed it, almost like this content is already made and you are reading the post-script.
Yup
So what we have here is an Irishman who fought in the US army being paid by Russians to dispel the bad press of the Sherman tank with cold hard facts.
The internet age is a wonderful thing sometimes.
Belarussians. Not much, but still a difference.
So many people would not get what you just said
If it helps, thanks to Soviet era, even direct neighbours lost the ability to distinguish between those, simplifying it to "Ruskie". Doesn't change the fact it's as if calling a Scotsman "English".
@@Myrth1 I mean, even their country name is just "White Russia". Belarus was basically the equivalent of a US state when it was part of the USSR, no? I always wondered what the difference was between the Soviet Republics (And by extension, the Russian Republics today), and the US states. Was it just that? A lower form of government for a more localized area? or were they semi-autonomous in some way?
Soviets used Shermans too, so why not?
The good thing about giving infantry a ride is not only having them man the .50, but also they make fantastic ablative armor against shaped charges.
IRA: Infantry Reactive Armour.
..crunchies are always good..
They didn't tell them that part.
Not to mention, their job is to be shot at. Tell them "Be shot at while riding a tank and play with this .50" and all they hear is "ride a tank and play with this .50"
I appreciate a company like Wargaming, that knows exactly who their customers are and what they want to see.
For all their faults in the balance department, they know their demographic incredibly well.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 Still - am completely delighted this didn't have 54 mins of 'the music'.
Real shame war thunder doesn't have the money to sponsor people like this
@@Captain_Coleslaw they spend it getting rid of things people like.
"Gunner, cursor, like button. Fire!"
"On the way!"
The English " We do not like the top mounted hmg, remove it.
The Germans " We have no mounting option for a topmounted gun, must have Krummlauf"
The Americans " Well here's Ma Deuce and her family on top"
Except the Germans did.
Tony stark: I am iron man
Gun Jesus: I am Ian McCollum
That needs to be a t shirt!!!
My Uncle Ernie was a gunner in tanks WWII. With the Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry spearheading the break out of the 2nd New Zealand Division, in operation Supercharge during the battle of El-Alamein 1942. He fought all the way up through Italy, until injured in 1944 and was repatriated back to 'Blighty.' He always said the only reason they were issued a pistol was to shoot themselves or their mates if they were trapped inside a tank that was 'Brewing Up.' A horrific thought, but being burnt alive sounds worse I guess.
I'm not vintage enough to have spent time on the M4 Sherman but I AM the correct vintage and experience for the M60A1 and A3 tank and all its systems.
I can tell you they are a HOOT to "play" with but also a LOT of work to maintain.
I miss those days, bumps and ouchies included.
This is a cross over I never thought I would see. Good job boys!
When he talked about the .30 cal. on the top of the tank, it reminded me of what the guys who made the Gun Trucks in Vietnam did. If it wasn't permanently attached they would beg, borrow, or steal what they needed.
A nice opener to the coming festive season with 'Forgotten Weapons In the Hatch',
Thank You all involved, Ian, Nicolas, their families, the ranch in Texas hosting them (as customers), the camera minions, the patreons helping fund it and the patreon & youtube suits allowing it etc..
May you both, and all, & associated family etc blah blah have a Great Festive Season, Xmas, New Beer etc!! ..nee Whisky, Guiness, Ale, or preferred tipple of choice. (dang, I'm glad I didn;t typo that one)
Just yesterday I was browsing my recommended videos ,a video of the Chieftain came up with the Rock Island auction Company. And I remembered that both chieftain and Ian review a lot of their stuffs using this companies items. So I thought, wouldn't it be cool if these 2 do a video together and. Here we are a day after...
Because fans of both channels have been asking for such a crossover for a long long time.
@@FirstDagger didn't know that... Thank you
Synchronicity!
'we're actually near an airfield'
'oh, look, a Cessna'
Ian- “I didn’t want to say anything but, so far you’ve said we have too many machine guns,”
Chieftain- “Yes.”
Ian“You don’t like the 1911”
Chieftain- “Not much... my accent isn’t entirely American.”
His heresy has been noted.
I agree with the Chieftain, and I am an American
MOAR DAKKA!!! (P.S. I am not an American.)
@@kingofthings7929
Question for a higher power.
What's more "moar dakka"?
The gun that shoots bigger bullets? Or the gun that shoots more bullets?
;)
Where exactly is he from?
Ma deuce the oldest machine gun still in service going on a hundred years old and still Rock and Rollin just goes to show you can't improve upon perfection like Chieftain said when Ma deuce speaks everyone listens
@airborneleaf In what nation is it still in service? The M2 to my knowledge and everyone else's is the longest serving machine gun in history.
@airborneleaf I'm wondering the same thing as the other guy and if the 1919 is still being used by some Oddball Nation out there the M2 is still the oldest heavy machine-gun out there so besides the M2 is nothing more than an m1919 on steroids they're the same action just beefed up they were both designed by John Browning oh and it's not 14 years because the m1919 was adopted in 1919 where as the M2 was adopted in 1926 so that would make it five years not 14
@airborneleaf yeah I don't know where you're getting your information from but it's not this channel
@@zoiders fair enough I'll give you the Vicar's in some third world countries but as far as the maxim goes in Ukraine that's not continuous service the M2 has been in continuous service for almost a hundred years and shows no sign of being replaced in the near future either
Perhaps we should specify US service. There are likely some older weapons in service in the backwaters.
"i was never a fan of the 1911"
BLASPHEMY
i like mine !!!
HERESY!!!
@@justineallandevelos6491 Isn't that that chocolate that tastes like vomit?
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Well if you're American, how can you tell the difference? You gotta compare to foreign chocolates.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Oh, it doesn't apply then. I'm not American either, they have specially a U.S. version & an international version.
Arguable statement: you need less gun.
Answer: More bullet always helps
If that don't work use more gun.
Dont use more ammo, get a bigger gun
If there's too many targets, more bullets and more guns and get bigger guns with more ammo in case you have to deal some large fuckers.
Retort. The tank can only store so many bullets, hence a single movable gun that you’ll be able to use is better.
NEEDZ MOR DAKKA
Ian: This thing goes over the spring looking thing over there
Chieftain's mind: That's a dual-coax lifter for the M4 turrent installed over a N-17 stowage box with . . . .
"There's no kill like overkill, " The Chieftain. "There is no overkill, only blam blam blam and I'm reloading".
That moment when you realize that World of Tanks is actually historical, because US Ordnance didn't listen to feedback either....
Pete Hall what about gaijin and decompressing BR?!?!?!
Pete P Right?!?!
@@petep8828 well considering they have slowly begun to...
Well except US Ordinance did listen but nice joke.
Jacen Hawk bullshit they filled the game with premiums and put vehicles that have no business fighting eachother into the same match
When people pay you to drive an shoot tanks you're doing something right in life
My first 4 years as a Marine I was a crewman on the M1A1 Abrams. Hearing gunner, coax vehicle brings back memories. Good times.
British supply system for armour was already doing tank gun, 7.92 and .303 so yet another was a burden. Also the AA practice was to shut the hatches and wait until the annoying little blighters went away. No need for a .50 and it kept crews under armour. A shame that they would regularly dismount to make tea and get hit by airburst etc.Thus the invention of the Boiling Vessel. BTW the Comet's gun was also the same diameter and was termed 77mm to avoid confusion. Also BTW my father had a transport role in bringing up captured French 75mm cases from Syria to Egypt to go with the captured German 75mm shells to give the first Grants a good AT round in the Western Desert in lieu of the US supplied rounds.
Nice to see Father Ted and Ian together.
We need Gun Jesus to cover more tanks.
Maybe teaming up with David Fletcher, from The Tank Museum, to cover the British ones.
Just don't do the David Fletcher drinking game, a shot every time he says something was "Not Ideal" ;)
I wish David Fletchers videos were longer, like Chieftain's. I want in depth track tensioning in British accent!
Epic facial hair meetup!
Get lindybeige in on this.
i could be wrong but im pretty sure the 1911 wasnt meant for suppression while bailing out as much as it was meant for point blank engagements, such as when the enemy attempts to board your tank.
I play World of Tanks and it's an extremely fun game! This was an awesome video guys, thank you!
Do you break virtual weapons too?
Extremely fun game? Questionable...
nice love your channel
@@guvyygvuhh298 Lmao right? Anyone who plays or has ever played WoT in any serious capacity knows it's a hilariously and/or infuriatingly fucked game most of the time.
@@MKRocker2012 naw, imo not
The two most enjoyable people on RUclips playing around with a tank, simply excellent! I hope there will be more of that in the future :)
Ian and the Chieftan are my two favorite guys on RUclips. I have waited for this collaboration for years and am so happy it came true! Seeing the smiles on your faces while you each talked about things you love is fantastic.
Hey Chieftain, I read that the American sight picture on the optics was not suited well for range estimation as opposed to the German optics (they had chevrons and like little circles). What is your take on that?
It is not inaccurate. I plan on doing a video on range estimation in the near future. It's not that there was no mil scale at all on the US sights, but it was a lot less flexible than those on, say, German or Soviet sights.
@@TheChieftainsHatch Thanks Chieftain! One more question to pop into your head. With the guys I play WOT with, I debate whether or not an Object 268 could ambush and destroy a modern tank such as the Abrams. I imagine getting hit by 152mm would put the Abrams crew through a significant emotional event, but the armor on the Abrams has all kinds of space magic. Further, if the Abrams could not knock out the Obj 268, air support or artillery would definitely be called in.
I have read Otto Carius's "Tigers in the Mud" and he talked about how AT guns are perhaps more deadly to tanks than enemy tanks due to their concealment and the fact they will probably shoot first. As you have mentioned before, however, Americans have combined arms and call in support. That tanks don't really fight mono-e-mono. Also that there will be a platoon or more of tanks.
Granted the Obj 268 was just an experimental tank, but it is a really cool tank. The sabot round from an Abrams might declare otherwise.
Cheers
Gun Jesus AND Chieftain AND a II world war tank ? ? ? WTF ... is it christmas already ??
The new date of Christmas is December 7th for Gun Jesus fo- wait.
The 7th of December, 2019, the date that will live on in...famy? I guess?
No but it is The Day of Infamy.
Gun Jesus meets with one of the Wise Men 2019 colorized
@@mastathrash5609 this needs multiple likes.
I saw The Chieftain in the thumbnail and didn't even realize what channel I was on until I started the video. I got so excited when I realized this was a crossover.
I was at a Wargamming event actually and shot some of these off. No sound on earth like this. Im so happy to see two of my favorite RUclips Channels together!!
Gun Jesus and Tank prophet in one episode? Hell has frozen over.
No. God hath shined his face upon us and graced us sinners this beautiful morning.
They are planning the combined arms assault on the gates of hell.
@@norwegianwiking Tank Jesus hath come to set the prisoners free, though all the forces of Hell may stand against him.