When the 6.8 Western came out, most bullet manufacturers came out with heavy .277 bullets for it. I like to hunt with 130 grain bullets in my .270 Win, but I grabbed a couple boxes of the heavier bullets to see how they shot. A lot of people told me that the twist in my .270 wouldn’t stabilize the 145-160 grain bullets. First test I did was with the Hornady 145 ELD-X. Turned out to be the most accurate load I’ve ever shot out of that old .270!!
Doesn’t twist rate and stability change with speed? So if a Berger 230 wont stabilize at 2600fps out of a 1:10 300wm, But will it out of a 1:10 300rum at 3000fps?
Old timer, you're dead wrong about "too much twist". That's an old school train of thought that MIGHT have been true at one time because bullet manufacturing technology wasn't near what it is today. Any imperfection in the bullet can be amplified if over spun. Put that God damn 9 twist on and go for it! You are overthinking it and doing your customer a disservice by creating confusion. I personally developed handloads in two different 8 twist factory 300 Win SAAMI chamber rifles with 210 bergers. They both shot in the .3-.4 MOA range and held up fantastic beyond 1200 yards. What you don't understand is that with today's bullets, there is no downside to fast twist unless we're taking it to the point of shredding jackets. Faster twist produces a higher SG (gyroscopic stability) which helps tremendously for those of us who shoot ELR as the bullet transitions into the subsonic region. But you're a big long range guy... you knew that already right?
I figured all you'd have is an empty insult. No surprise. Something tells me that your customer isn't looking for a bench rest gun and you're jerking him around with obsolete information. Catch up with the times, be teachable. There's always something new to be learned. Grow or get stagnant. Tell your customer if he would like any solid gunsmithing recommendations I could point him to several.
i have a 300 RUM BR gun that would rival any gun you ever built precision wise. 225 eldm at 3,350 fps out of a 34" straight cylinder 1.350" on a BAT M receiver. Shoots in the 1's with regularity. I really hope you give the RUM a shot in this build, very under rated cartridge in today's world just because its very long.
@@quarterminutemagnums peterson and ADG make 300 rum brass now sir, and both of them are available. Both seem very nice, but I think I like the ADG better.
@quarterminutemagnums I have a Remington 700 long range, long action that I pulled the 300 rum barrel off, trued the action, put a Krieger on it and chambered it in 300 win short, added a timney elite and beded the B&C stock. It's definitely not one of your rifles but it shoots like one. I enjoy the channel Thanks.
I’ve got a 20” bartlein 9 twist in 300 prc and 245’s absolutely hammer. Yeah it’s slow. Retumbo at 2675 fps. The animals sure don’t like it though. It shoots really well to 800 yards. Like smashing 1/2 min rocks at 750 yards pretty dang consistently. Again, like you preach. It’s throated to have the neck shoulder junction and boat tail mate up perfectly.
This man really loves to hear his self talk, like alot.
his self talk.........public education at its finest. Thanks.
When the 6.8 Western came out, most bullet manufacturers came out with heavy .277 bullets for it. I like to hunt with 130 grain bullets in my .270 Win, but I grabbed a couple boxes of the heavier bullets to see how they shot. A lot of people told me that the twist in my .270 wouldn’t stabilize the 145-160 grain bullets. First test I did was with the Hornady 145 ELD-X. Turned out to be the most accurate load I’ve ever shot out of that old .270!!
Doesn’t twist rate and stability change with speed? So if a Berger 230 wont stabilize at 2600fps out of a 1:10 300wm, But will it out of a 1:10 300rum at 3000fps?
Old timer, you're dead wrong about "too much twist". That's an old school train of thought that MIGHT have been true at one time because bullet manufacturing technology wasn't near what it is today.
Any imperfection in the bullet can be amplified if over spun.
Put that God damn 9 twist on and go for it! You are overthinking it and doing your customer a disservice by creating confusion. I personally developed handloads in two different 8 twist factory 300 Win SAAMI chamber rifles with 210 bergers. They both shot in the .3-.4 MOA range and held up fantastic beyond 1200 yards.
What you don't understand is that with today's bullets, there is no downside to fast twist unless we're taking it to the point of shredding jackets. Faster twist produces a higher SG (gyroscopic stability) which helps tremendously for those of us who shoot ELR as the bullet transitions into the subsonic region.
But you're a big long range guy... you knew that already right?
Go to a bench-rest match, open eyes, engage brain.
I figured all you'd have is an empty insult. No surprise. Something tells me that your customer isn't looking for a bench rest gun and you're jerking him around with obsolete information. Catch up with the times, be teachable. There's always something new to be learned. Grow or get stagnant. Tell your customer if he would like any solid gunsmithing recommendations I could point him to several.
Do you need a hug?@@jessewerner4067
No. But now that you mention it... please go give your wife a hug. You treat her like garbage in your videos. Can't imagine off camera
The mysteries of a marriage are known only to the participants.
Ride your own fences, manage your own herd.@@jessewerner4067
i have a 300 RUM BR gun that would rival any gun you ever built precision wise. 225 eldm at 3,350 fps out of a 34" straight cylinder 1.350" on a BAT M receiver. Shoots in the 1's with regularity.
I really hope you give the RUM a shot in this build, very under rated cartridge in today's world just because its very long.
Thanks..........
Why were you only flipping back and forth between 300wm and 30 nosler? Why was 300rum not on the table too?
Dear Sir - brass quality, availability and historical competition performance. Thanks........
@@quarterminutemagnums peterson and ADG make 300 rum brass now sir, and both of them are available. Both seem very nice, but I think I like the ADG better.
Dear Sir - very good information........thank you.@@SigmaBallistics
I love my 300rum but you are right about finding brass. My rum handloads get a 225gr eldx with a .777bc easily over 3000fps out of a 26” tube.
@@JohnDoe-ud2cc look again, the 300 rum now has plentiful brass options from peterson and lapua
300 short would be awesome.
Dear Sir - .300 WSM with 210g Berger's - great combination. Thanks.
@quarterminutemagnums I have a Remington 700 long range, long action that I pulled the 300 rum barrel off, trued the action, put a Krieger on it and chambered it in 300 win short, added a timney elite and beded the B&C stock. It's definitely not one of your rifles but it shoots like one. I enjoy the channel Thanks.
Thanks........@@kriswarren6202
I’ve got a 20” bartlein 9 twist in 300 prc and 245’s absolutely hammer. Yeah it’s slow. Retumbo at 2675 fps. The animals sure don’t like it though. It shoots really well to 800 yards. Like smashing 1/2 min rocks at 750 yards pretty dang consistently. Again, like you preach. It’s throated to have the neck shoulder junction and boat tail mate up perfectly.
Dear Sir - thanks for the information..........appreciated.
Use a separate throat reamer ?
If appropriate and available.......thanks.
Very cool series of vids
I know this is a different topic but why don't you ever talk about annealing your brass between each firing like to hear your thoughts thanks
Dear Sir - buy the newest AMP machine and follow the directions.................thanks.
MQM or QMM?
Quarter Minute Magnums..............thanks.
245 grain bullet 308 caliber.
G1 is 0.807! Thanks........
Why not a 300 prc man?????
That's what I was thinking, but he said he doesn't have that reamer.
Customer makes final decision...............thanks.
Also, 30 Nosler is a superior cartridge. Thanks.........@@rustynut1967
My vote is for 300 norma improved
Dear Sir - wrong bolt face. But, have been contemplating both 300 Norma and 300 Norma Imp. for future projects. Thanks......................
Very cool series of vids
Very cool series of vids
Dear Sir - Appreciated...........thanks.