Any professional/use of force instructor will tell you, you are at advantage with a knife at 21 feet. Couple things: 1) In real life, people who carry keep the gun cocked with the safety off 2) In this scenairio, the guy with the gun knows who his attacker is and is anticipating it which makes it easier than a real life scenario. 3) This is also under the ridiculous assumption one shot to the chest is going to stop a knife wielding attacker pumped with adrenaline and or drugs. Our instructor showed us a video of an armoured car guard shooting someone running at him with a knife 3 times in the chest and the attacker continues to fight for another 30 seconds and ends up killing the guard with a stab to the clavicle. Adrenaline can do amazing things. I have no idea why people underestimate the power of a knife, one stab under your armpit, to the femur or chest/clavicle it's game over. For some reason our society deems guns the ultimate killer, handguns aren't that great of a weapon balistically but they are convenient. I would take a knife over a gun at close range 9 times out of 10.
+Smith Wesson In real like you carry cocked and unlocked? what? That's pretty much only the case if you're using a gun without a manual safety. Cocked and unlocked is just begging for an ND. And from what I've heard from people that have actually been stabbed, you don't really feel a stab at first. The guy that kept fighting for 30 seconds after getting shot 3 times probably wouldn't have gone down any faster had he been stabbed instead.
+Smith Wesson When I carry, I carry without a round in the chamber. It's a one in a million chance I'll ever even NEED my gun, but it's a one in a billion chance that the extra half-second it takes me to chamber a round will make the difference between life and death. Most of the CCTV and other live-shooter footage I've seen has been where the concealed carrier has ample time hiding in the background to draw, cock, aim, and fire because the thugs are distracted with all the other people around. I don't go to bars or hang out in dangerous places, so I'm not likely to be in a situation where I need to quick draw like in the old west. Besides, I carry a knife for self-defense far more than I carry a gun (for now). If it's a quick-draw situation I'm going for my knife and closing the gap.
+Smith Wesson the difference between the winner and a loser of a knife fight is the loser dies in the alley where the fight took place and the winner dies in the ambulance on the way to the hospital
+Smith Wesson Agreed - and it doesn't even have to be made of steel. Some modern ceramics and plastics are just as dangerous if used properly. And consider the whole premise of the set up - both combatants know what's happening well ahead of time. There's no real panic response involved. They are just trying to beat a clock, not fight for their lives. Someone caught by surprise is in a whole world of hurt before they even know what hit them.
The big problem is that this disregards two points of law enforcement doctrine- Always carry chambered without safety engaged, and firing from the hip is the fastest manner to discharge a round in close quarters combat.
Flipping off a manual safety is a trivial movement with most handguns. Many handguns don't have manual safeties, however, and rely upon passive safeties instead. Point being, no one carries a loaded gun without the safety engaged.
then you dead wish i coulld remember the guys name bbut hhe can drraw and fire not once but twice in less thann 1 thousanndth of a second so .010 milsec
How is this test irrelevant? The test shows that that a gun is not a talisman. If you're not prepared to use it due to inadequate training and/or practice, and are not familiar with techniques of self-defense, and aren't aware of your surroundings, it is easy for a bad guy with a knife to defeat a good guy with a gun. That's the point.
AmericanPoliceState You and I both know that the gun is not a talisman. Not everyone does. There's a lot of gun BS that's delivered to the public by both Hollywood and by the news media. There are plenty of folks who are misinformed and/or have never heard of the Tueller Drill. Something that disseminates the correct information to more people is not a bad thing. Assuming that everyone else knows the same things that you do is silly.
You are mixing up your arguments. I argued that the test was pointless as any average joe on the street with a conceal carry that you can be robbed and attacked before you even know there is a threat. The Tueller Drill is a drill developed for police officers. Though it would be good for the average joe to learn to enhance reaction times but in practicality the type of situation that average people face in the drill rarely happens, if at all.
It doesn’t mention how one shot is unlikely to stop an attacker especially at full speed, 24’ is likely to see both you and the attacker with mortal wounds. Very powerful myth buster episode.
Someone really needs to educate you. Look if I met the requirements id get one WHOLE cent from yt. I don't see you getting any youtube revenue cause you have ZERO VIEWS. NO VIEWS = BOW
I liked the part where Jamie dressed like an egg and ran head on screaming with a squishy knife at a pistol wielding Adam dressed as an incomplete circuit
@二世麻人 maybe in china or wherever you're from, but in the US we get in big trouble of we're caught carrying unchambered. If you're not disciplined enough to carry chambered, you shouldn't carry at all
@OBAMA BARAK Wow, Projectile will stop the blood from gushing out? Just wow! I didn't know a bullet will stop gunshot wound from bleeding. The more you know.
Better advice: Never bring an unchambered gun to any kind of fight. ( As of 4/2/2021 there's a really helpful edit at the very bottom if you wanna skip... edit 9) Edit: Someone in the comments really said "Just throw the gun" 💀💀💀 Edit 2: Shout out to Austin Woodworth in my replies who said, "Carrying unchambered is like trying to put your seatbelt on during a crash" Well said 👏🏾 Edit 3: 1 year later and somebody really just called me out for making so many edits 💀💀😂 Edit 4: Epic Gaming seems salty I'm making so many edits, but really he just tryna be the next one so I guess he's right 🤷🏾♂️ He wins. Extra points for censoring"fcking" cuz we were all absolutely fcking clueless 🙄😂 Edit 5: Somehow I missed this, but one year ago Peteboss said, "Don't play russian roulette at a gun fight" 💯💯 Well said 👏🏾 Edit 6: Some of y'all are acting like it's dangerous to carry chambered, but if you're not disciplined enough to carry chambered, you're not disciplined enough to carry at all. Edit 7: "What if I throw said knife" 💀💀💀Not gonna lie, his comment is probably better than mine and it's the only one over 1k likes on this video. Run up his likes too 💯 Might as well keep dropping firearms tips for y'all. Someone commented "Or back up while firing," and, while it seems reasonable and well intentioned, having extensively training to fire while moving in different directions, that's just a really bad idea. For one, there's a pretty decent chance you'll trip or bump in to something if you're actually moving backwards fast enough to make a difference. (There's actually a proper technique but it's a pretty slow movement) For two, being the aggressor and firing while moving forward gives you a major advantage and usually catches the attacker off guard and they'll panic. It's a dominant move and when someone's marching straight at you with a gun, you'll probably think twice about what you wanna do since the bad guy would expect the good guy to run away. There's plenty more reasons but this is getting long. Edit 8: OMG OKAAAY! I hear you! HERE'S ANOTHER EDIT! I've been told to just fucking make another edit for no reason or talk about hairless guinea pigs by at least 10 people and it's been a while. Fun Fact: Hairless Guinea pigs have hair on their feet and they eat more than regular guinea pigs because they burn more calories to stay warm. Morale of the story, don't shave your pubes or you'll have to eat a lot. (Yes I know... 100% sound logic with zero flaw in it. Don't even bother trying to argue it) Edit 9: This is for people who say you should back up. Your draw time shouldn't be longer than 1.7 seconds if you train and that isn't long enough to move a significant distance. Distance = Rate x Time and the amount of distance you would need to move at a high rate of speed to actually gain time is first of all literally impossible going backwards, and second of all it would drastically reduce your draw time more than the time it would save by creating distance, and thirdly you have a much higher chance of missing the guy even if you're highly trained. Realistically, you're only moving about 5 feet backwards in 1.7 seconds, while the guy running at you is gaining roughly 25fps... You're only saving 25 hundredths of a second total. Terrible odds especially when you factor in that you're draw is gonna take a lot longer (Sure add a foot or two to your distance if you like) and plus you're likely to miss a critical shot that would actually stop the dude even if you shoot in time. So in the end, your net gain is actually a loss of time for every step you take backwards in the scenario that you actually need to get your gun out in a hurry.
Who needs a multi hundred dollar .44/.50 caliber pistol when you can just scoop up stuff from the ground. Wow 4 likes, that's more likes on a comment than I've ever had before
"An ambush" being someone, directly in front of you, 20 feet away, charging in a straight line and yelling Guns are just overrated and it's time some people admitted it
Guns are overrated? Alright well lets all go back to war with swords and spears. Guns are not overrated, but they require training to use, also in this instance, most people carrying guns already have a round in the chamber and the safety off, meaning you won't have to cock it or turn the safety off, drastically reducing the amount of time you need to fire the weapon.
Templarkiller if the first round takes him down. Adrenaline, drugs, or the paradoxical durability of the human body can keep him coming at you even if you hit unless you hit something that makes it impossible to keep running
@@FinetalPies if somebody is at 20feet away from you with a knife in his hand and u have a gun on safety, u will get your hand ON the gun if not half pull it out and be prepared to shoot. The second u see said person reach for something in their pockets you pull the gun on them. "Gunfight" not "ambush", there is a difference
If it is a stand off the gun is up and leveled.. At twenty feet a competent police officer will dump five shots in your body before you get the 24 feet. In reality when police are used in these scenarios they do tend to move, deflect and fire if the gun is in the holster. In some cases if it is a stand off the officer will move to his weak side and fire as he circles the attack. I saw one officer get the jump on the knife guy and run up and knock him down. In the olden days (revolver training) when a subject closed with you you used the firearm like a knife making. Contact shots while you moved in a circle away from the suspects knife hand..
I saw some other video about gun vs knive, in short range and where it is a surprise attack, the knives got advantage, but if the gunner already pull of his gun, gun wins, in that video they demonstrated if in short quarters fight where the knive holder run like that, it is better for gunner to fall back a little and shot, i forgot the link of video so if anyone have seen it maybe they can link us therw
OR what if the guy isnt runing directly at you in a straight line like an easy target or even if they have throwable knives and multiple of them u are screwed
@@crookedbubbles1755 It will kill,but we are talking about will it incapacitate you instantly, a knife to the chest can be deadly, but you'll more than likely have some gas in the tank to continue on fighting. A bullet to the chest has a higher chance of penetrating through and hitting the spine, or richocheting inside your body and hitting the spine, incapacitating you immediately, look at some footage, people that get stabbed and die usually die cause they bleed out minutes later, people that get shot usually die the same way, but a lot of the times they also drop down instantly like a brick, it can happen with a knife too but less likely
The best part of mythbusters is the narrator. I just can't get enough of those sarcastic quips. "Just good friends positions" "Sprinting, screaming Hyneman is what nightmares are made of"
@@stuartwelch6381 They don't dislike each other. They just aren't friends. They are coworkers and they get on each others nerves, but that doesn't mean they dislike each other.
@@lendmesomesugar97 They've talked about how, while they respect each other, they are not friends and drive each other batty. They have very different, clashing personalities.
Well it obviously depends on your stance and level+ ehat youve speced in. I for myself am an level 145 level ninja with a history of ending the lives of 5000 samurai and counting, all in favor of my sensei Nani Itazura the monk.
Yes but the reason is not the same. A bayonet on a gun is used as a last resort when you run out of bullets. It is not designed to be a fighting knife. Typically the bayonet is NOT full tang and is has a lower quality steel than a fighting knife. That said, I personally prefer a bayonet that is designed as a fighting knife. The hand guard on the knife protects my knife hand better than other knife accessories. The handle allows quickly changing the grip without looking or using the other hand. I prefer using a forward mantis grip were the blade edge is up instead of down. A karambit is even faster than a bayonet but with fewer practical grip options. Both are effective at disarming an attacker.
I work as an armored truck messenger for Loomis Armored US and I actually do. I carry a Bowie knife on my left hip and a .45 Glock Gen 21 on my right hip while delivering cash shipments and servicing ATM'S.
@@xStarLynx no, it's for different ranges of combat. There are many instances where the robber would be too close to effectively draw a firearm and shoot but he still could be slashed or stabbed. Being put in a choke hold from behind or being tackled to the ground and receiving a UFC style ground and pound are two situations where I couldn't just shoot my way out. The second senerio actually happened to one of our guys out in Texas where the robber was a 6' 7" 800ld meth head with brass knuckles. He lost his firearm multiple times trying to draw it but the crowd was friendly and gave it back to him until he could successfully shoot the robber after taking a brutal beating. I don't want to put my life in the hands of a crowd in case they are hostle or disapproving of my profession given the raise of BLM and everything else.
I watched a good video similar to this, however with respective knife and gun experts (no shade to our friends they just aren’t experts) and it really comes down to situational awareness and the situation itself. Even with the experts, bad luck of either side means you’re dead, stabbed or shot. Edit: the video is by Funker Tactical, a good watch
Robert Shakuni The thing is, I don’t know if you’ve heard about this before, but jokes are supposed to be funny. This isn’t because the whole “Nobody:” thing kills the joke. If people are going to use it, they should use it how it’s supposed to be used
Chazzky lemme tell you what robert shakuni thinks.. although it may be very overused and possibly even used incorrectly, we have to accept that most of modern internet humor doesn’t make sense anyways, and we have to keep in mind that when we “find something funny,” it’s completely subjective. i think what he was trying to portray was that nobody else in that given situation would make such a noise. perhaps most wouldn’t even scream at all and just charge in silence. maybe they’d scream while charging, but not in the particular way that jamie did. i feel that people of your nature, dense people, need to dig slightly deeper than just the first little thought that pops into your head. that thought being: “why this is wrong! this joke could not possibly be funny because i’m too slow to think about it in more ways than one.” your comment wasn’t even your own thought as you were kinda basing your entire argument upon what my boi jimmy james said. look... usually i wouldn’t care much about a comment like that. between this quarantine (which has me hella bored) and you trying walk me through what humor is like i’m a fucking 5 year old, i thought i’d pass some time by trying to explain to you that jokes can be used in more than one way and that humor can be seen from more than just one perspective.
Problems with this Myth which slow down the gun draw: 1. Not trained on basic gun draw techniques. 2. The holster is not allowing to firearm to be drawn properly. (this looks to be costing about half the total time) 3. Firearm not cocked. (almost all CCW carriers understand the cost for time with this error.) 4. Wrong choice of firearm. It is bulky and does not fit in his hand properly. (Nobody carries a desert Eagle. Come on..) These things are so huge that this whole study would need to be done again with real world scenario.
I think like a sizable portion of the people who would think carrying a Desert Eagle around is a good idea could easily also be dumb enough to make any of these mistakes...
+KillTheFear Not a great test all together. He's being charged straight on with full knowledge of whats coming and an exposed holster (even if, as you say, he's not great at drawing). In reality he may be charged from the side or behind, his firearm may be concealed, making it more awkward to draw, his hands may be full before the attack, etc etc. Jamie may also not be in the best shape so being charged by a healthy young man may significantly cut down the charge time.
One oversight with this test is the majority of those who every day carry do so on a loaded chamber. This saves a lot of time and would most definitely be worth factoring into this experiment to get a complete picture.
@@alisonweber7073 depends on who you are. Many do on a weekly basis, others maybe every couple weeks to months and others not at all. Where I live people just shoot on there own properties so you can easily practice something such as drawing while concealed. I could see that being difficult if you live in the city as many ranges do not allow drawing from holster at all or without an additional level of membership. Even with this, i lived in Charlotte for a while and while I was there you could practice using dummy rounds which allow for repeated dry firing and manual action cycling. Those made it easy to practice getting it out and stanced quickly, you just don't know how accurate you are without really doing it at a range. I have seem some products advertised to attach to a pistol and track this data and help you train to be faster.
While true, firearms carriers typically have them chambered, this test doesn't account for processing time of a viable threat. Both Jamie and Adam know the situation. In a real world situation, the person with the firearm would likely take longer to process that the knife wielder is a threat. Your not always "on."
Sorry but at the maximum distance of this circle Jamie could still very likely have stabbed him. He was quite close when he was shot. Guns won't instantaneously drop a person running at full speed with tons of adrenaline pumping through their body.
No one is ever going to Aim for the head in close combat like that, aim for the part of the body with the highest chance to hit (the chest). You're not always prepared like Adam is, none with a military training would ever aim for the head
Couple things - whoever attacks first has a major advantage. This is one fact that can make being a cop so difficult. - unless it's a shotgun, one shot probably won't stop someone immediately. - the person with the gun can sidestep and otherwise retreat while firing. He can also retreat around obstacles, like a car or table, while firing. He can also free up a hand to try to stop the knife while firing. It would be wise to do so. You'd rather the knife go through your hand than through your lung. - Jaime is holding the knife upside down. A straight grip is faster. The ice pick grip is only really needed if you need more power, which he doesn't. All in all, I think this test did illustrate something important. You should be wary of someone who wishes to do you harm whether you're armed or not.
Yeah, well, you are still not prepared to draw your gun in time. If you face someone off, like a duel like in the video, then why don't you just take the advantage and draw befor ethey are even running? So you need longer to process that someone is going to attack you with a knife. Besides, knive are usually drawn and held a little concealed most poeple don't notice it before they are slashed or stabbed. A knife is better in most scenarios.
Unless you're Law enforcement, any carrying civilian would be concealed, not open in a holster on the hip. Imagine the gun in a leg holster under your pants...
I wonder if Adam realizes he's essentially made a crude modern fencing setup, complete with electric weapon, body cord, and lamé. He even has the lights around the head to indicate a hit, like they put under the fencing masks in the podium bouts at televised/livestreamed international competitions.
+Manuel Candidato (Mnmbrane) Sorry but, there is no left or right click for me. I have commander pro and I just hit v and I lunge from 15m away instantly.
Something I don’t think they considered is that it would be a lot further if the gunman wasn’t expecting the knife cause Adam was ready, prepared, and expecting the knife to come at him Side note it’s a lot scarier to have someone silently combing at you with a knife cause the screaming is a major warning
@@saysamnang6768 "Silencers" don't actually silence the gun, they just make it quieter (but still about as loud as a car horn). They go from blow-out-your-eardrums loud to spook-your-neighborhood loud. And regardless, unless you shoot somebody in the head or shoot them multiple times, a knife would probably be more deadly anyway.
I have been shot numerous time before so I can assure you that your argument wasn't valid *Joke aside* If you life in a country where almost every household can have gun in their safe then you would see people got shot everyday, like America.
Too many variables. - Gun carrier might already have one in the chamber - Gun carrier might be able to quick draw - Gun carrier might start firing before aiming, hitting the legs, groin and lower torso before finishing shots. - Gun carrier may have no experience and mess up with the handgun. - Gun carrier likely not carrying HEAVY stopping power in public (Deagle etc.) - Knife carrier might dodge and weave while approaching (+ obstacles in the way) - Knife carrier might be wearing some form of body armour - Knife carrier might be able to throw knife/knives. - Knife carrier might be jacked on adrenaline/methamphetamine and keep going - Knife carrier might slash at aiming hand and keep attacking. All in all, a knife is a viable weapon in pretty close range against an inexperienced shooter or a shooter without a loaded weapon - but it'd be dead close.
Really, if the knife wielder is smart, fast and precise, no one with any gun will stop the knife wielder. Aim a gun at them, run out of bullet path. They can't shoot fast enough, they dead. You toss that crap, they dead. And even if you're running and they shoot you, the knife will launch at them.
Sometimes they aren't very smart. Why does James start with a knife in his hand in a running position, but Adam start with a holstered gun. This test assumes that you're not already holding the gun when you clearly see the other person is holding a weapon, assumes that the gun needs to be cocked or a round is not chambered and also assumes the person holding the gun is not going to move or do anything to block the knife. Too many variables being ignored.
Then by your logic, people walk around with a knife in their hand all the time? As if police in the US are not known for being overly aggressive and pulling guns for small reasons.
Siveon Farcloud If they're doing something illegal? Yeah. Criminals don't wear a gun on their hip. And what does someone being able to charge you with a knife and kill you from a good distance away have to do with police being overly aggressive?
If they are in the act of doing something illegal sure, but then the police would also know of it and have their guns drawn. Being overly aggressive means they will go for the guns sooner and not wait until the criminal pulls the knife from their pocket. Also people don't magically teleport to that distance, if the police was dealing with a criminal, they would have stepped back and drawn the weapon the moment they saw something suspicious.
I remember hearing even back in 2001 that a knife at 10ft or less actually may have the advantage if well handled. This just re-enforces that and even seems to push that distance out a bit.
@@olivertrevino8092 Makes sense I may have remembered the distance wrong. As I said heard about it in '01 and 20 odd years is plenty of time for memory to fade. Still 21ft isn't really all that far when someone's worked up and determined.
@@olivertrevino8092 The two rounds rule is a pretty sane detail that I haven't heard before. It's definitely possible to immediately disable a sprinting attacker in one shot, but hardly something you can count on. Not to mention if you're quick-drawing and more or less shooting from the hip. In many of the knife vs gun tests where the knife attacker gets hit 'just in time', they'd likely just keep running and, at best, just leave their knife buried in the gunman's gut or chest. If you have enough time to unload multiple rounds into them, I guess it's safe to assume they'll be hurt enough for the gunman to at least have the advantage in hand-to hand combat if they close the distance regardless.
@@slimezz4680 tell that to the people in paris last week, or london yesterday. Isn't carrying a knife illegal there? I bet they wish they could have carried a gun to stop him at distance
Kuro, the "pommel meme" is about using misdirection and unexpected methods. It is about defeating your foe before they even realize they are engaged. It is a level of strategy over direct tactics. It is "kazushi" or "unbalancing." Try reading Sun Tzu.
The "pommel meme" started on a popular RUclips channel by Skallagrim a few years ago. Skallagrim is a great guy who does sword/knife reviews and also practices HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts). At one point, he referenced a medieval fencing/dueling textbook where the pommel-throwing idea was described as a way to get a surprise opening attack. [Recently, JoergSprave actually built a spring-loaded pommel-shooting sword to honor the idea: "How To End Dem Elves 'n Hobbits Rightly"] Anyway, the idea of "ending him rightly" caught on and spread around the internet. I have even seen references to it on "PBS Spacetime," which is a theoretical physics channel. Some ideas just take on a life of their own :) As for the real world, here is my original post about knife vs gun in close-order operations (I was part of some 1990's demos): "In tests like this between actual policemen and martial artists, the knife consistently had advantage way out to 30 feet (9 meters), even without tactics like dive-rolling to close distance and mess with the gun's aim. If you add some element of surprise or dive-rolling by the knife attacker, the knife wins from 35+ feet. In younger days, I could close that distance with 3 steps and a dive roll, rising into melee range in under 2 seconds -- and as a variable-profile target with high inertia in my favor. The expressions were priceless, and the reactions were both spooked and hilarious. Even trained officers can get freaked out when they have 100 kilograms tumbling at 20 kph pop up right in their face, blade first, with a grappling expert behind it :> My favorite reaction from an officer was: "So... you're still one of the good guys, right?!" My answer: "Yah, but someone else might not be." Tests like this caused many police departments to change their close-order operations strategy."
What's funny is that when Jamie trips and falls it's basically what happened in Justified when that dude tried to knife-rush Raylan, tripped, and stabbed himself in the face.
Technique is wrong on the last gun test. Do not extend your arm straight when he is already so close. Shoot from your hip instead. Also, 1 shot is not certain to incapacitate the runner every time. He might still be mobile long enough to hit you couple times, and push your gun away.
Yes, that's interesting point. I saw the video somewhere on youtube with 2 professionals: one in knifes, another in guns. And they tested same idea. In that case gun was more effective then knife even at shorter distances.
Yep, carry with round in chamber and you can fire as soon as you clear your holster. you can even fire multiple times as you continue to bring the gun up and put your support hand on it. I know from experience that 1 round won't cut it (unless you hit the brain stem), ESPECIALLY if drugs are involved.
Yeah ever have some run at you with a knife, axe, ball bat? Real life is far harder then training Plus you who trains like that? A few do but not many.
By the same token, 1 stab is often not enough. If you can free enough space to use the pistol before subsequent stabs, then you still have a very good chance
A revolver back in old western times most likely didn't have a safety divet beside each chamber, not until conversion kits, so they were taught to load with one unloaded and 4 loaded, keeping the unloaded one under the pin in order to keep from hitting the hammer while holstered to avoid shooting yourself in the foot, or worse shooting yourself in the leg, so no they usually didn't have one in the chamber, perhaps they shouldve been carrying? Nowadays if they have a modern firearm yes you can carry with one in the chamber but this isn't based on modern day it's based on the era of conquering the west so it has the same standard
@@LtcreamTheseconda single action revolver is way quicker than you think to cock the hammer. This guy was using a semi auto stand in and was having to cock it. It was a stupid test and if it was done right he would have been stopped in half the distance
It's actually pretty scary, quite a few people can tank a tazer, in fact, I've seen a guy (not sure whether he's a lil drugged/drunk up) straight up stand up right after being tazed while being restricted by two cops.
Your argument is completely destroyed by the simple fact that other countries police forces handle the exact same situations, with non lethal force, and with no more injuries to the cops. Somehow America is the only western nation where almost every "dangerous" situation requires someone to die, excessively. And it's no mystery how it has become like this, the reason why is well known. It's partly because: 1. US cops are often alone, for some unfathomable reason. Cops should always be at least 2, self explanatory. It's a safety issue for both the cop and the civilian. 2. US cops are shockingly undereducated! The average US cop gets 19 weeks of training, in Germany police training last at least 130 weeks! 19 vs 130... yeah I know which officer I will be calling. 3. US cops are trained to not take any risks, even though they are in a profession where taking risk is essential for doing a good job. "Shoot first, ask questions later" has never been good police work. Look, I could get into lots of reasons and details here, but the main underlying problem is their training. Most cops are not evil, they are simply not qualified to handle the situations that come with the job.
Who cares if they die if they're trying to knife a cop? I certainly don't! And too bad they don't get killed in France cause then they get 2 months of jail and get out haha
Factors they didnt put in this test. 1. Obstructions between each individual 2. objects for the knife person to slip or trip on. (Although that didnt stop from happening.) 3. The shooters ability to retreat and evade while drawing their firearm. 4. A loaded fire arm.
Try watching Doug Marcaida and Instructor Zero trying those situations out. If you haven't yet heard about them, they are both experts on guns and knives as a weapon. They are on Funker Tactical, Gun vs Knife here on RUclips.
@@theinnuminati it's not really testing the myth if they dont take too weapon experts and asking them how a situation would go and testing that or if they have a gun expert doing the test
It's more about their pose and stuff. The quick draw guys don't bring the gun all the way up to their chests-they only pull it out of the holster, then fire. It save a precious few seconds. Of course us average joes would most likely miss the intended target doing that.
The other thing is, a single shot rarely takes down someone in an instant, especially when adrenaline is in the mix. You could get off one shot, get stabbed 30 times and the agressor goes home afterward.
@@nekrominh131 That's why, no matter how tough I think I am, if someone breaks into my home I'll try to run outside if possible and imediately call the police.
I also think for the first round they probably could have both been dead in a real situation. I don't think you just drop to the ground like a potaoe once your shot, he probably would have stumbled forward and still got him with the knife after being shot. So it's very much possible that both die. So running is probably smarter if you see someone with a knife.
Seth Pomeroy Most people that carry knives don't wave them around all willy nilly from 80 feet away when they want to stab you lol. In close range where it matters a concealed knife is more dangerous than a concealed gun.
number3665 Depends on how you train. There are many close quarter training methods that make a gun just as, if not, more effective than a knife. Someone can get stabbed or cut multiple times without the wounds being life threatening whereas being shot is a little more traumatic. Another thing to remember is that the closer someone is, the harder it is to miss and I only need one hand to shoot the other could be deflecting the knife. If you're a smart and you conceal carry, you've thought ahead about the possibility of a knife being drawn on you and there is already a round chambered so you won't be fumbling with the gun like Adam and Jamie (obviously they are not professional shooters). I've watched multiple CCW defense trainers do demonstrations with these scenarios and they are vastly different in speed and technique leading me to believe that neither Adam nor Jamie have had adequate training with real guns (not props) to conduct this experiment in a manner that boasts accurate results. They didn't even have a professional tactical defense trainer come in as a guest on the show for demonstrations, perpetuating a very Californian anti-gun undertone to the show. Also, isn't there a saying as old as guns themselves that one shouldn't bring a knife to a gun fight?
Seth Pomeroy There are lots of saying that are wrong. People skilled with a knife have killed people with guns all the time. And we are talking close quarters not a variety of other scenarios. Small room, corridor, crawl space, anywhere you'd rather have a shotgun than a rifle. Like you say it is how good you are with the knife or gun. And if we're talking adrenaline fueled professionals it'll take more than one shot to put them down and they won't go for any area that isn't a kill. Take military knife training for example face to face they always go for the throat. And you have little chance of surviving with a ka-bar in your neck. It's quiet too so you can take multiple targets without being heard. But it's less about the weapon and more about who is using the weapon. And I think the moral they were getting at is don't underestimate your opponent, just because you have a gun doesn't mean you're a god among men. Only way to settle this is have the worlds greatest bladed weapons expert go against the worlds greatest pistol sharpshooter and see who comes out on top 9 times out of 10.
***** When you cut someone's throat they drown in their own blood. Effective and quiet enough to walk away from. You don't won't hear it from yards away like a gunshot.
***** Almost. But a suppressed gun at least none I've seen actually make a whisper of the gunshot. It's a hell of a lot quieter yet someone close enough could still hear. The outcome depends mostly on the situation and the user more so than the weapon itself.
Check out no reload knife throwing on youtube- the guys who can do that can have 3 knives in each hand and throw them all so blinding fast- 6 in a target in no time at all.
I watched the first 25 seconds of the video and the answer is 21 feet. Learned that going through law enforcement training. A knife inside 21 feet is lethal. Of course any cop carrying a handgun is carrying in "Condition 0" which means no need to take a safety off or rack the slide(cock it). Also, remember that 1 round will NOT stop an attacker, so you need to get multiple rounds off before the knife gets to you. This is also why they teach the "close contact drill" which involves firing from the hip at a distance of 2 yards. You draw your weapon, turn your wrist/elbow so you're pointing at the target with your handgun still by your holster, and fire immediately without aiming.
Listen to this man. He knows what's he's talking about. This isn't some jargon from an armchair commander, this is real life training info that police actively use.
superdrummergaming end of the day, against someone with a knife, you're better off knowing how to sacrifice your forearms to save your vitals. Everyone should learn practical knife defense because your gun isn't a guarantee.
superdrummergaming It is best to remember that the 21 foot rule is a guideline. It is the point where the average cop will not be able to react and get two shots center mass from holster against the average charging knife wielder. Depending on reaction times, conditions, preparedness, speed, and ability this distance can change remarkably. The point of the 21 foot rule is that if a suspect is close and wielding an edged weapon they are a potential threat. If you do not have you gun drawn and aimed you are at a disadvantage should they decide to attack.
Yeah that really bothered me as well, like on test two he would've got him if it'd been standard grip. Also somehow I don't think he can properly utilize the advantages of reverse grip.
Why would he not keep a round chambered? It's a major timesaver, plus it allows you to carry one extra round. And when it comes down to a life or death situation like this, you want every advantage you can get
deleetmeeh There are way too many variables for this to be considered a valid test. Some people run faster than other. How are you carrying the pistol? How experienced is the shooter?
Not to mention that the "myth" is specifically referring to a "gun fight", which is a pre-meditated evend where both parties know there's about to be some deadly force. No safeties. No chambering rounds. Just one guy whose primary intent is _speed_. Bleh.
lots of problems here, most defensive handguns are carried with a round in the chamber and don't employ a safety (i.e. Glocks or almost any other concealable pistol) and why would you stand still while being charged at? this also assumes stab wounds are far more effective than they really are.
Cody Mann I dont think the possible variables are the problem here. The question is, can a knife take out a gunman? In this type of situation, the answer is yes, it can. However, like you said there are many variables with many possible outcomes.
Terry Mcginnis You do realize that the title of the myth and the title of the video all state specifically about bringing a knife to a gun fight. This refers quite specifically to the situation of westerns where there was a pre-arranged fight. Why would a gunman leave his safety engaged - or bring a gun that had such an elaborate and slow pre-fire procedure to a gun fight?
He still touches you with the knife after he’s been shot. So in theory you would still probably get stabbed and depending on how close he is will determine the amount of damage a stab.
@@gorkskoal9315 you guy dont know that it take some amount of strength for a knife person to slice through and do lethal damage also people who made these knife vs gun video had a biased toward knife why is the knife the ambusher if u want to compare them let them both be the ambusher and why is it a glock and not a rifle with holopoint ? it very dumb for a person to pretend like knife is better for close range am just gonna ask u once if u had a kid and if she or he hold a knife would u be scared? what abt if the kid hold a gun pointing at u are u scared ? and also dont give me the "ohhh the gun hands are shaky he wont aim well another question is two room with a door let just say one is with a guy with a gun he is aim toward the door trying to kill u the other door is a guy with a knife which one would u choose u would have to be very stupid to pick a guy with a gun lmao actually in close range it easier to shoot someone then from a far idagf abt ur knife if we close range and i already drawn my gun and my aim is at u there wont only be 1 bullet with the speed of sound going straight through u it would be a bunch of them to empty my mag also dont point out"" i seeen guy who take bullet and still charging toward cop the thing is most of these guy do drugs and second only a small percentage would survive that while the majority would get drop after 2-3 shot
This is an excellent, if not entertaining, demonstration of the Tueller Drill. While Adam was able to shoot Jamie, he couldn't do it before Jamie was able to stab him in the chest. The only issue I have with this example is that no one in their right mind - especially law enforcement officers - would carry on an empty chamber. That part is unrealistic.
+fredex8 While I was on holiday in Florida we only turned on the TV once and never again. Too many adverts means I couldn't actually get interested enough to stay on one channel and every channel I turned too seemed to be on an advert. We were saved by BBC World News channel.
Tzimnewman3 I love watching TV out there. Not for the programs but just because the adverts are so unbelievably ridiculous that it's like I'm in some alternative reality. Can't go more than ten minutes without an advert trying to convince you to sue someone for something...
Why have the gun on safety if there's no round in the chamber? That doesn't make any sense what so ever... The police have what's called I believe the 21 foot rule which states that a man armed with a knife is a danger to the cop if he's within 21 feet of him, you have to also remember that almost every time, it takes multiple gunshots to drop an attacker. It's not like in the movies where a someone under stress can just draw a gun, shoot the attacker once and drop him, that's not how it works in the real world. In reality it usually takes 3-5 shots if not more (and that's if every shot you fire hits the moving target while you're acting on a split second decision while in fight or flight mode)...
The Tueller drill, and yes. If you're a highly skilled gun user, and you're aware that you're under attack you can probably draw and put multiple bullets into an attacker before they stab you to death if there's 21 feet of space. Of course in a surprise attack you're not going to be aware that you're under attack. You may well freeze for a second. As you say a single gunshot probably won't stop someone attacking... for a regular person in a normal situation, you probably want 30 feet of clearance. The big problem with the 21 foot rule is that it makes it hard to explain to a jury why you blew away that guy who was 25 feet away from you, was blading (turning his body half away from you to conceal his actions) and whose dominant hand had dropped to their waist as if about to draw a weapon. Because they're programmed to think "well you're safe at 21 feet" when that was actually an absolute best case scenario, they need things carefully explained to them before they'll understand you acted in self-defense.
Theres always advantage to the attacker because of surprise unless you are in a warzone you wont be gunning down everybody within 21 feet, and they get their adrenaline up first because they know what they are about to do. It should be pretty easy to smile, say hello, walk up to them and pull out a knife and stab them.
What the hell are you shooting them with a .22 lr. I guarantee you arnt going to fight if your shot with something like a .44 Magnum or a .45 ACP your going to fall down in agony as your lung is leaking out of a 4 inch wide hole in your back
There is a video that breaks down some hard numbers as to the actual effectiveness of many caliber handguns. You might be surprised to see the percentages based on real life numbers that were able to be collected. I was shocked to see how ineffective almost all handguns are. The true key is the user and not the caliber.
Don't bring a knife to a gunfight unless the guy with the gun is an incompetent hobbyist who takes more than one second to draw and fire and can't fire from position three in an emergency.
One thing the test also missed is how Jamie slows down before fully reaching him because he obviously doesn’t want to run into him full force, in a real situation, the person with the knife would just try to run through the other person
There's also many other factors to consider. Getting that one perfect stab in to stop your opponent isn't easy. Most likely the gun user with a pistol won't be standing still and will have his free hand/arm getting in the way of the stab. The knife wielder could probably hurt the gunman, but the gunman has way more stopping power with his pistol. The knife user stopping the gunman from getting shots off is insanely difficult. This experiment is fun and shows you how dangerous knife wielders can be where they can get to you way quicker than you think, but it also doesn't show the chaos of a real fight.
Jacob Burnett well just because they didn't get along very well doesn't mean they hated each other. If they did they probably wouldn't have made it for over a decade of seasons. He probably just said that jokingly
Thought the same thing lol & you could tell Jamie really went for it & wanted to stab him badly & that nerd rage kicked in & took him straight to the ground lol
Ok a few things. Don't carry a desert eagle because it handles like a brick. Don't carry without a round in your chamber. Practice your draw because a good shooter can draw and hit in .5 sec. Your test is busted.
Johnathan List Then there is just standing there while someone with a knife charges you. With a gun against a close knife attacker you want to be on your back and using your legs as a barrier. Just one ridiculously simple move completely changes the balance of the fight.
This was western themed. A lot of "cowboys" carried their pistols hammer down on an empity chamber because colt single action army's were notoriously unsafe. So the cocking requirement is alright. But yes a modern gunfight the weapon would be chambered.
@@11Tits the colt single action army has a fixed fireing pin that rested on a primer. "Cowboys" only loaded 5 of the 6 chambers and carried the revolver with hammer down on the empity cilinder for maximum safety. The cocking requirement is appropriate.
Backpedaling doesnt help i have tried this test before and trying to accurately shoot and jump back is very difficult i barely got a round off before i was stabbed
Axton Dragunov of course it helps. Even better: let yourself fall down backwards. There isnt much movement going on once you are on the ground while you still gained distance. Much bigger problem with this test: a knife wielder doesnt need to run at you screaming. He can simply walk up to you without you suspecting a thing, then get out his knife and stab On the other hand, if you have drawn your gun already, then even a few feet would be too much for a knife
or just step to the side a few feet. Someone running straight at you at that speed probably wouldn't have the agility to change direction if the gunner stepped out of the way. There's a video on Active Self Protection on RUclips that has this exact scenario where the cop is about 15 yards away from the perpetrator with a knife, who charges at him full speed. The cop steps out of the way just a little bit, and shoots the knife guy. Overall, this was a poorly thought out episode of Myth Busters as there are many variables. Especially the one that you mentioned about the gun holder walking back.
This test isn't even realistic to begin with. If you shot a person who was sprinting at you with a knife, there is a good chance that the bullet would not be able to stop the momentum built up from sprinting from that distance, therefore not leaving the gunslinger safe. The person with the knife could keep moving forward and effectively stab the gunman. And also, just because the gunslinger has been stabbed does not mean that he/ she is unable to return fire at the knife wielder, therefore leaving the knife wielder unsafe as well. Just because a person is mortally wounded does not me they are incapable of fighting back. A person who receives a mortal wound in a fight (i.e. Gunshot wound or stab wound or any other injury) may not die for several minutes, hours, days, or ,as in one case, forty years leader after surgery complications. There is nothing this test could do to factor in the severity of the wounds or the ability to fight back while down, not even mentioning the role that the skill with a certain weapon would play in the whole scenario. Just my two cents.
Sean Creed that’s because it is too difficult to factor in all those possibilities as practically every human will react differently to these situations. The most unrealistic part of this test is the fake bullets and the fake knife.
Not if you happen to be using a 44 magnum revolver loaded with hollow point projectiles and blast the person nee cap off or even if you got any where else like even the torso it will turn there insides to jelly and the impact of a 44 will definately drop them on there ass and also the 44 is a great choice to carry around with you.
Jordan Burkhead not really, it would probably go right through him like bullets do. Bullets have to be stopped to transfer their kinetic energy In full, the more power the bullet has the less force you will feel from it without any body armor such as kevlar
There's so much nuance to this question, because besides the speed/distance question, knife wounds are much more survivable than gun wounds. A clean stab wound has to be in just the right spot to do deadly damage. Right in the heart or a major blood vessel. Even a punctured lung is survivable if you get help fast enough. Gun wounds though, they do explosive damage. They not only cause the entry wound which is usually small, the exit wound tends to be big, and/or if it stays inside it does a lot more damage than a knife. It will wreck a lot of blood vessels and has a much higher chance of actually killing you
It doesnt matter on what you think the point of it is, Lots of people concealed carry without a chambered round which was my point. It doesn't matter what the percieved correct way to concealed carry, I was just indicating that "everybody who carries a gun keeps it ready to pull the trigger" is just factually wrong. Regardless, It's not a smart idea to pull a gun on someone close enough to stop you from chambering a round anyways.
advice: never go to a gun fight
I’m surprised this occurs to so few people.
@@mikemiller5637 to be fair, you don't look for the gun fight, it looks for you and it usually finds you without a gun.
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@@CharizardMaster69 I-I- I have a migraine
never bring yourself to a gun fight
“We have to touch unfortunately”
The signs were there. Lol
Yeah the signs were there that they were not exactly the best of friends.
ToreDL87 really? They stopped the show cuz they didn’t like each other?
Yeah...they didn't like each other?
No, that's not why they stopped the show. While they weren't close outside of work, they had a fantastic working relationship
the two never really did like one another they just had a "working" relationship
Any professional/use of force instructor will tell you, you are at advantage with a knife at 21 feet. Couple things:
1) In real life, people who carry keep the gun cocked with the safety off
2) In this scenairio, the guy with the gun knows who his attacker is and is anticipating it which makes it easier than a real life scenario.
3) This is also under the ridiculous assumption one shot to the chest is going to stop a knife wielding attacker pumped with adrenaline and or drugs. Our instructor showed us a video of an armoured car guard shooting someone running at him with a knife 3 times in the chest and the attacker continues to fight for another 30 seconds and ends up killing the guard with a stab to the clavicle. Adrenaline can do amazing things.
I have no idea why people underestimate the power of a knife, one stab under your armpit, to the femur or chest/clavicle it's game over. For some reason our society deems guns the ultimate killer, handguns aren't that great of a weapon balistically but they are convenient. I would take a knife over a gun at close range 9 times out of 10.
That's why it's best to carry one of each, since you have no idea what the distance will be between you and your opponent until it happens.
+Smith Wesson In real like you carry cocked and unlocked? what? That's pretty much only the case if you're using a gun without a manual safety. Cocked and unlocked is just begging for an ND.
And from what I've heard from people that have actually been stabbed, you don't really feel a stab at first. The guy that kept fighting for 30 seconds after getting shot 3 times probably wouldn't have gone down any faster had he been stabbed instead.
+Smith Wesson When I carry, I carry without a round in the chamber. It's a one in a million chance I'll ever even NEED my gun, but it's a one in a billion chance that the extra half-second it takes me to chamber a round will make the difference between life and death. Most of the CCTV and other live-shooter footage I've seen has been where the concealed carrier has ample time hiding in the background to draw, cock, aim, and fire because the thugs are distracted with all the other people around. I don't go to bars or hang out in dangerous places, so I'm not likely to be in a situation where I need to quick draw like in the old west.
Besides, I carry a knife for self-defense far more than I carry a gun (for now). If it's a quick-draw situation I'm going for my knife and closing the gap.
+Smith Wesson the difference between the winner and a loser of a knife fight is the loser dies in the alley where the fight took place and the winner dies in the ambulance on the way to the hospital
+Smith Wesson Agreed - and it doesn't even have to be made of steel. Some modern ceramics and plastics are just as dangerous if used properly. And consider the whole premise of the set up - both combatants know what's happening well ahead of time. There's no real panic response involved. They are just trying to beat a clock, not fight for their lives. Someone caught by surprise is in a whole world of hurt before they even know what hit them.
In a gun fight the guns already out
Not reloaded and It is in
Sarcastic Potato also who said you can't throw the knife for the kill.
What if the guy with the gun ran away and shot?
R_D or if the knife wielder wasn't faster than the gun user. lots of what ifs.
henvdemon you would probably want a specific knife for that. Don't want to take the chance that just the handle will hit him.
The big problem is that this disregards two points of law enforcement doctrine- Always carry chambered without safety engaged, and firing from the hip is the fastest manner to discharge a round in close quarters combat.
Flipping off a manual safety is a trivial movement with most handguns. Many handguns don't have manual safeties, however, and rely upon passive safeties instead. Point being, no one carries a loaded gun without the safety engaged.
Amen!
so that's why american cops are so quick to shoot and kill people
the big problem is you're american
what if faced by a professional gunslinger?
then the knife gets rekt
then you dead wish i coulld remember the guys name bbut hhe can drraw and fire not once but twice in less thann 1 thousanndth of a second so .010 milsec
Never bring a knife to a gun fight unless it's a ballistic knife
Solid Snake/Big Boss while watching this "What is this nonsense?! Clearly they've never practiced CQC"
This test is irrelevant. You would only use a knife if you had the jump on someone anyway.
How is this test irrelevant?
The test shows that that a gun is not a talisman. If you're not prepared to use it due to inadequate training and/or practice, and are not familiar with techniques of self-defense, and aren't aware of your surroundings, it is easy for a bad guy with a knife to defeat a good guy with a gun. That's the point.
We all know the gun is not a talisman, gun owners know its not a full proof defense so on this point alone makes this test pointless.
AmericanPoliceState You and I both know that the gun is not a talisman. Not everyone does.
There's a lot of gun BS that's delivered to the public by both Hollywood and by the news media. There are plenty of folks who are misinformed and/or have never heard of the Tueller Drill. Something that disseminates the correct information to more people is not a bad thing.
Assuming that everyone else knows the same things that you do is silly.
You are mixing up your arguments. I argued that the test was pointless as any average joe on the street with a conceal carry that you can be robbed and attacked before you even know there is a threat. The Tueller Drill is a drill developed for police officers. Though it would be good for the average joe to learn to enhance reaction times but in practicality the type of situation that average people face in the drill rarely happens, if at all.
Anybody that knew how to use a gun would already have a round chambered LOL
Well, u may bring a knife to a gun fight
Not until the opponent wip out the full auto
It doesn’t mention how one shot is unlikely to stop an attacker especially at full speed, 24’ is likely to see both you and the attacker with mortal wounds. Very powerful myth buster episode.
Who the hell caries a gun without one in the chamber?
Problem is, that you can still shoot when stabbed, but I doubt you're gonna stab anyone after being shot...
That's why you should always carry with the safety off and one in the chamber
That's why cops wear vests and guns, because a gun is better
he's the slowest hand in the West
Desert Eagle for extra slowness
To be fair: It takes two hands to cock a semi auto, one hand to cocky a revolver.
The-Lonely-Janitor 659 anyone that says lmfao hasn't even talked to a chick before.
What use are subs if they don't give you views IDIOT? My subs give me 1 view a month so you need to bow NOW
Someone really needs to educate you. Look if I met the requirements id get one WHOLE cent from yt. I don't see you getting any youtube revenue cause you have ZERO VIEWS. NO VIEWS = BOW
I liked the part where Jamie dressed like an egg and ran head on screaming with a squishy knife at a pistol wielding Adam dressed as an incomplete circuit
IM CACKLING
It should be why you should never bring an uncocked gun to a gun fight.
@二世麻人 police have their weapons chambered at all times they never have to chamber one.
@二世麻人 maybe in china or wherever you're from, but in the US we get in big trouble of we're caught carrying unchambered. If you're not disciplined enough to carry chambered, you shouldn't carry at all
@@zacharyjones7948 See? Obama's still wrong
@OBAMA BARAK 2 feet rule will leave you dead lol I a pump bout 10 in you while backing up
@OBAMA BARAK Wow, Projectile will stop the blood from gushing out? Just wow! I didn't know a bullet will stop gunshot wound from bleeding. The more you know.
Better advice: Never bring an unchambered gun to any kind of fight.
( As of 4/2/2021 there's a really helpful edit at the very bottom if you wanna skip... edit 9)
Edit: Someone in the comments really said "Just throw the gun" 💀💀💀
Edit 2: Shout out to Austin Woodworth in my replies who said, "Carrying unchambered is like trying to put your seatbelt on during a crash"
Well said 👏🏾
Edit 3: 1 year later and somebody really just called me out for making so many edits 💀💀😂
Edit 4: Epic Gaming seems salty I'm making so many edits, but really he just tryna be the next one so I guess he's right 🤷🏾♂️ He wins. Extra points for censoring"fcking" cuz we were all absolutely fcking clueless 🙄😂
Edit 5: Somehow I missed this, but one year ago Peteboss said, "Don't play russian roulette at a gun fight" 💯💯 Well said 👏🏾
Edit 6: Some of y'all are acting like it's dangerous to carry chambered, but if you're not disciplined enough to carry chambered, you're not disciplined enough to carry at all.
Edit 7: "What if I throw said knife" 💀💀💀Not gonna lie, his comment is probably better than mine and it's the only one over 1k likes on this video. Run up his likes too 💯
Might as well keep dropping firearms tips for y'all. Someone commented "Or back up while firing," and, while it seems reasonable and well intentioned, having extensively training to fire while moving in different directions, that's just a really bad idea.
For one, there's a pretty decent chance you'll trip or bump in to something if you're actually moving backwards fast enough to make a difference. (There's actually a proper technique but it's a pretty slow movement)
For two, being the aggressor and firing while moving forward gives you a major advantage and usually catches the attacker off guard and they'll panic. It's a dominant move and when someone's marching straight at you with a gun, you'll probably think twice about what you wanna do since the bad guy would expect the good guy to run away.
There's plenty more reasons but this is getting long.
Edit 8: OMG OKAAAY! I hear you! HERE'S ANOTHER EDIT! I've been told to just fucking make another edit for no reason or talk about hairless guinea pigs by at least 10 people and it's been a while. Fun Fact: Hairless Guinea pigs have hair on their feet and they eat more than regular guinea pigs because they burn more calories to stay warm. Morale of the story, don't shave your pubes or you'll have to eat a lot. (Yes I know... 100% sound logic with zero flaw in it. Don't even bother trying to argue it)
Edit 9: This is for people who say you should back up. Your draw time shouldn't be longer than 1.7 seconds if you train and that isn't long enough to move a significant distance. Distance = Rate x Time and the amount of distance you would need to move at a high rate of speed to actually gain time is first of all literally impossible going backwards, and second of all it would drastically reduce your draw time more than the time it would save by creating distance, and thirdly you have a much higher chance of missing the guy even if you're highly trained.
Realistically, you're only moving about 5 feet backwards in 1.7 seconds, while the guy running at you is gaining roughly 25fps... You're only saving 25 hundredths of a second total. Terrible odds especially when you factor in that you're draw is gonna take a lot longer (Sure add a foot or two to your distance if you like) and plus you're likely to miss a critical shot that would actually stop the dude even if you shoot in time. So in the end, your net gain is actually a loss of time for every step you take backwards in the scenario that you actually need to get your gun out in a hurry.
Exactly
If you carry, have a round chambered.
Pretty sure if you are being chased by someone with a knife and you had the gun you would shoot that gun as fast as you can
Equal advice: practice quick drawing at a range.
Zachary Jones agreed
This Red Dead Redemption 2 DLC looks great!
Amazing lol
Lol exactly
I like when they threw the sufragee into an alligator infested swamp
Now here's the real question what about machete on a legendary bounty in a cave
ik its a joke, but i would PAY to see this in RDR2
not to be confused with R2D2
I'm gonna be the one to mention that circles made of tapes is quite impressive
too bad they only needed a line lol.. i guess the concentric circles look cooler on camera than a few strips of tape lol
Fools! You forget the ultimate self defense weapon... POCKET SAND!
Thomas Weeden
Tap man! Mr burton gusster!
MY EYES! THEY BURN!
Who needs a multi hundred dollar .44/.50 caliber pistol when you can just scoop up stuff from the ground.
Wow 4 likes, that's more likes on a comment than I've ever had before
Thomas Weeden Anakin- "I hate sand"
Lol
Thing is, even if he got off a shot it wouldn't likely stop the attacker. Adrenaline does amazing things.
One in the head will stop
Tasu Sutinen True. But hitting a rushing opponent in the head might be pretty hard. That's why people are instructed to aim for the center mass.
+GamePhysics And fire until he stops.
VeniVidiVid Even then you're not likely to get someone down before there's a knife stuck in your chest.
Exactly, if the heart or brain have been missed one is totally screwed.
theres a difference between a gunfight and an ambush
"An ambush" being someone, directly in front of you, 20 feet away, charging in a straight line and yelling
Guns are just overrated and it's time some people admitted it
Guns are overrated? Alright well lets all go back to war with swords and spears. Guns are not overrated, but they require training to use, also in this instance, most people carrying guns already have a round in the chamber and the safety off, meaning you won't have to cock it or turn the safety off, drastically reducing the amount of time you need to fire the weapon.
Templarkiller if the first round takes him down. Adrenaline, drugs, or the paradoxical durability of the human body can keep him coming at you even if you hit unless you hit something that makes it impossible to keep running
@@FinetalPies if somebody is at 20feet away from you with a knife in his hand and u have a gun on safety, u will get your hand ON the gun if not half pull it out and be prepared to shoot. The second u see said person reach for something in their pockets you pull the gun on them. "Gunfight" not "ambush", there is a difference
@@FinetalPies Try to tell that to an elderly person being attacked by a 20 year old
I love how Jamie clearly scared Adam way more then Adam expected
dude jamie screaming with that knife is terrifying
Last time he scared him that much was when he ordered the Dick Rambone from Doc Johnson!
"We have to touch unfortunately" damn, those two really didn't like each other
Or they just don’t like lookin G A Y
@@Funee hm
Or...he is just kidding
@@mrunseen3797 ofc its a joke but they actually didn't really get along that well.
“You’re dead.”
What if the gun is already cocked?
Or what if he already has it out?
Or what if he just runs backward?
Or better yet, side steps.
What if the stabber is hidden
Or if he decides to ambush
Or is quieter is fast
Or stabs you in your many vulnerable areas
If it is a stand off the gun is up and leveled..
At twenty feet a competent police officer will dump five shots in your body before you get the 24 feet.
In reality when police are used in these scenarios they do tend to move, deflect and fire if the gun is in the holster.
In some cases if it is a stand off the officer will move to his weak side and fire as he circles the attack.
I saw one officer get the jump on the knife guy and run up and knock him down.
In the olden days (revolver training) when a subject closed with you you used the firearm like a knife making. Contact shots while you moved in a circle away from the suspects knife hand..
Damn guys there's only so much they can do 😂
I saw some other video about gun vs knive, in short range and where it is a surprise attack, the knives got advantage, but if the gunner already pull of his gun, gun wins, in that video they demonstrated if in short quarters fight where the knive holder run like that, it is better for gunner to fall back a little and shot, i forgot the link of video so if anyone have seen it maybe they can link us therw
OR what if the guy isnt runing directly at you in a straight line like an easy target or even if they have throwable knives and multiple of them u are screwed
Jamie running full force with a knife struck me with fear I never knew I would experience
Also, he used to be an animal wrangler😆
I could NEVER fear ANYONE named "Jamie."
they are assuming the gun has unrealistic stopping power. if the attacker is inches away, he will likely stab the shooter
chavruta2000 only if the attacker doesn’t get stunned by being shot in the chest
And? Id rather get stabbed than shor, youre assuming an unrealistic damage of a knife
Stevan Popovic a knife to the chest can kill, same way a bullet to the chest can kill. Depends on the knife... depends on the bullet
@@crookedbubbles1755 It will kill,but we are talking about will it incapacitate you instantly, a knife to the chest can be deadly, but you'll more than likely have some gas in the tank to continue on fighting.
A bullet to the chest has a higher chance of penetrating through and hitting the spine, or richocheting inside your body and hitting the spine, incapacitating you immediately, look at some footage, people that get stabbed and die usually die cause they bleed out minutes later, people that get shot usually die the same way, but a lot of the times they also drop down instantly like a brick, it can happen with a knife too but less likely
No One you still wont stop instantly, momentum will keep the stabber going and they will probably stab you anyway.
The best part of mythbusters is the narrator. I just can't get enough of those sarcastic quips.
"Just good friends positions" "Sprinting, screaming Hyneman is what nightmares are made of"
"Friends"??? I heard they had a "great dislike" for each other... BUT, gladly, that never showed up in the show!
@@stuartwelch6381 They do dislike each other but also have a lot of respect for one another and are professional enough to be ameable while working.
@@stuartwelch6381 They don't dislike each other. They just aren't friends. They are coworkers and they get on each others nerves, but that doesn't mean they dislike each other.
These guys should get some kind of award for putting up with each other. They entertained millions of people around the globe
They did, it's called millions of dollars
@@JSPRshotslmao
They were coworkers. There's nothing wrong with being coworkers.
What do you mean "putting up with each other"? There doesn't really seem to be any bad blood between them, does it?
@@lendmesomesugar97 They've talked about how, while they respect each other, they are not friends and drive each other batty. They have very different, clashing personalities.
What if I throw said knife
I thought that’s what the video would be about
If you’re not accurate, you’ll be dead 💯🤣😂
Well it obviously depends on your stance and level+ ehat youve speced in. I for myself am an level 145 level ninja with a history of ending the lives of 5000 samurai and counting, all in favor of my sensei Nani Itazura the monk.
Idk cause I wear 15 knife and I practice 5 years trowing
Flying knives don,t hurt much
There's a reason some guns have bayonets.
*Some.*
imagine carrying a strap with a bayonet in the hood 😭
Yes but the reason is not the same. A bayonet on a gun is used as a last resort when you run out of bullets. It is not designed to be a fighting knife. Typically the bayonet is NOT full tang and is has a lower quality steel than a fighting knife. That said, I personally prefer a bayonet that is designed as a fighting knife. The hand guard on the knife protects my knife hand better than other knife accessories. The handle allows quickly changing the grip without looking or using the other hand. I prefer using a forward mantis grip were the blade edge is up instead of down. A karambit is even faster than a bayonet but with fewer practical grip options. Both are effective at disarming an attacker.
Some guns I think you mean every rifle ever made
@@donrowlett2886Its retarded to use a karambit at a fight. Its like a "little sicle". It kinda look cool, I have like 15-20 of them.
that's is why you backpedal from an angry engineer in in tf2.
It's called "kiting". Old EQ terminology.
Nemo7The7Pirate7 🤣
r/UnexpectedTF2
Wouldn't the engi back up from the spy trying to get a trickstab for his next mlg spy montage?
"Bring both to a gun fight"
*Sometimes, my genius is almost frightening.*
I work as an armored truck messenger for Loomis Armored US and I actually do. I carry a Bowie knife on my left hip and a .45 Glock Gen 21 on my right hip while delivering cash shipments and servicing ATM'S.
@@wesleydaub8002 So if you aren't good at shooting you an pull a call of duty and sprint around them with a knife to scare the shit out of 'em!
@@xStarLynx no, it's for different ranges of combat. There are many instances where the robber would be too close to effectively draw a firearm and shoot but he still could be slashed or stabbed. Being put in a choke hold from behind or being tackled to the ground and receiving a UFC style ground and pound are two situations where I couldn't just shoot my way out. The second senerio actually happened to one of our guys out in Texas where the robber was a 6' 7" 800ld meth head with brass knuckles. He lost his firearm multiple times trying to draw it but the crowd was friendly and gave it back to him until he could successfully shoot the robber after taking a brutal beating. I don't want to put my life in the hands of a crowd in case they are hostle or disapproving of my profession given the raise of BLM and everything else.
@@wesleydaub8002 You ever heard of this magical thing called a joke?
What if you had a gun with a knife attached to it?
I feel like Jamie's heart is really in this test..
The Hyneman’s had enough of Adam’s Tomfoolery.
This is where their "hatred" for each other started 😂
The show is an elaborate way to get Adam "accidentally killed" but fails each time.
When someone 20 feet away from you with a knife in the hand, and your gun still on a safety... Well...
Exactly one in the chamber safety off always the best way to go
@@DaStar280 Keep it in the needle as we use to say
Also a more modern style holster has a catch to undo that might only take a second or 2 to undo but that could make all the difference
Safty in western... UwU
Keeping the safety off at all times is how accidents occur.
Make this experiment with Usain Bolt and Bob Munden!
+Baxter Stockman
That would have been awesome. RIP Bob Munden.
+Baxter Stockman Usain bolt wouldnt get far. Bob Munden can pull his gun and shoot within a quarter of a second.
+Deerslayer1912 Ok, Buzz Killington.
I nominate Django
+Baxter Stockman bob munden wouldve shot him before the knife holder took a full step
I watched a good video similar to this, however with respective knife and gun experts (no shade to our friends they just aren’t experts) and it really comes down to situational awareness and the situation itself. Even with the experts, bad luck of either side means you’re dead, stabbed or shot.
Edit: the video is by Funker Tactical, a good watch
Nobody:
Jamie: AAAOAOAOAOAOAOA *charges knife in hand*
Where does nobody come from? Adam was trying to shoot him ....
ekathe85 please stop leaving shit comments like this
jesus christ.. talk about some joke police ^^^
Robert Shakuni The thing is, I don’t know if you’ve heard about this before, but jokes are supposed to be funny. This isn’t because the whole “Nobody:” thing kills the joke. If people are going to use it, they should use it how it’s supposed to be used
Chazzky lemme tell you what robert shakuni thinks.. although it may be very overused and possibly even used incorrectly, we have to accept that most of modern internet humor doesn’t make sense anyways, and we have to keep in mind that when we “find something funny,” it’s completely subjective. i think what he was trying to portray was that nobody else in that given situation would make such a noise. perhaps most wouldn’t even scream at all and just charge in silence. maybe they’d scream while charging, but not in the particular way that jamie did. i feel that people of your nature, dense people, need to dig slightly deeper than just the first little thought that pops into your head. that thought being: “why this is wrong! this joke could not possibly be funny because i’m too slow to think about it in more ways than one.” your comment wasn’t even your own thought as you were kinda basing your entire argument upon what my boi jimmy james said. look... usually i wouldn’t care much about a comment like that. between this quarantine (which has me hella bored) and you trying walk me through what humor is like i’m a fucking 5 year old, i thought i’d pass some time by trying to explain to you that jokes can be used in more than one way and that humor can be seen from more than just one perspective.
Problems with this Myth which slow down the gun draw:
1. Not trained on basic gun draw techniques.
2. The holster is not allowing to firearm to be drawn properly. (this looks to be costing about half the total time)
3. Firearm not cocked. (almost all CCW carriers understand the cost for time with this error.)
4. Wrong choice of firearm. It is bulky and does not fit in his hand properly. (Nobody carries a desert Eagle. Come on..)
These things are so huge that this whole study would need to be done again with real world scenario.
I think like a sizable portion of the people who would think carrying a Desert Eagle around is a good idea could easily also be dumb enough to make any of these mistakes...
I agree with 4 a lot, it was a poor choice of firearm for this myth.
They should redo this with the proper measures and this may have fallen more in favor of the gun user if the proper measures was taken
+KillTheFear Not a great test all together. He's being charged straight on with full knowledge of whats coming and an exposed holster (even if, as you say, he's not great at drawing). In reality he may be charged from the side or behind, his firearm may be concealed, making it more awkward to draw, his hands may be full before the attack, etc etc. Jamie may also not be in the best shape so being charged by a healthy young man may significantly cut down the charge time.
It doesn't matter, it's the aim. Even if it takes less than 10 seconds to pull out the gun, you still need to have a good aim to make the shot.
And remember kids,
never bring a knife to a gun fight.
unless you are Hans,
then you need to bring ze Flammenwerfer.
Be careful with that meme. I got a 3 day ban from Facebook for using that meme.
@@theironduke981 "Facebook" I don't think someone is going to report a comment about a flamethrower....
p. f.
I laughed way too hard although I saw it comin🤣
@@braeeee_ lol you sure about that?
Brother, get the flamer. The HEAVY flamer
One oversight with this test is the majority of those who every day carry do so on a loaded chamber. This saves a lot of time and would most definitely be worth factoring into this experiment to get a complete picture.
If carrying concealed, they still have to uncover and present the firearm. How much do we train presenting from concealment?
@@alisonweber7073 depends on who you are. Many do on a weekly basis, others maybe every couple weeks to months and others not at all.
Where I live people just shoot on there own properties so you can easily practice something such as drawing while concealed. I could see that being difficult if you live in the city as many ranges do not allow drawing from holster at all or without an additional level of membership. Even with this, i lived in Charlotte for a while and while I was there you could practice using dummy rounds which allow for repeated dry firing and manual action cycling. Those made it easy to practice getting it out and stanced quickly, you just don't know how accurate you are without really doing it at a range.
I have seem some products advertised to attach to a pistol and track this data and help you train to be faster.
While true, firearms carriers typically have them chambered, this test doesn't account for processing time of a viable threat. Both Jamie and Adam know the situation. In a real world situation, the person with the firearm would likely take longer to process that the knife wielder is a threat. Your not always "on."
@@alisonweber7073 Those who actually train for a fight do it frequently.
@@josephsmith2259 And this is why actual firearm training is so valuable as well as following Col. Coopers color code is invaluable.
Sorry but at the maximum distance of this circle Jamie could still very likely have stabbed him. He was quite close when he was shot. Guns won't instantaneously drop a person running at full speed with tons of adrenaline pumping through their body.
Desert eagle begs different.
+Lepa TheWarrior Not exactly a concealable carry weapon. XD
Put a couple between the eyes and all the adrenaline in the world won't help them.
No one is ever going to Aim for the head in close combat like that, aim for the part of the body with the highest chance to hit (the chest). You're not always prepared like Adam is, none with a military training would ever aim for the head
Okay, marksman, you do it under that high stress situation that you've evidently trained for extensively.
Couple things
- whoever attacks first has a major advantage. This is one fact that can make being a cop so difficult.
- unless it's a shotgun, one shot probably won't stop someone immediately.
- the person with the gun can sidestep and otherwise retreat while firing. He can also retreat around obstacles, like a car or table, while firing. He can also free up a hand to try to stop the knife while firing. It would be wise to do so. You'd rather the knife go through your hand than through your lung.
- Jaime is holding the knife upside down. A straight grip is faster. The ice pick grip is only really needed if you need more power, which he doesn't.
All in all, I think this test did illustrate something important. You should be wary of someone who wishes to do you harm whether you're armed or not.
When someone runs at you its instinctual to freeze up, if your intention is to fight.
Yeah, well, you are still not prepared to draw your gun in time. If you face someone off, like a duel like in the video, then why don't you just take the advantage and draw befor ethey are even running? So you need longer to process that someone is going to attack you with a knife. Besides, knive are usually drawn and held a little concealed most poeple don't notice it before they are slashed or stabbed.
A knife is better in most scenarios.
Unless you're Law enforcement, any carrying civilian would be concealed, not open in a holster on the hip. Imagine the gun in a leg holster under your pants...
@@stephaniemanning5768 That was an attempt at humor. I hope.
All they had to do was to play Call of Duty.
I would say that a cocked, and saftey on is a more realistic test.
I always carry one in the chamber, for this very reason.
When I'm in an especially sketchy neighbourhood, I like to carry two in the chamber, just to be sure.
+Lasergurka Yeah, me 2. 4 sure m8
Scott Schell To be said tho, the cocking of the gun in this test seems a bit weird to me aswell.
Keeping a gun cocked at all times is just asking for trouble.
I wonder if Adam realizes he's essentially made a crude modern fencing setup, complete with electric weapon, body cord, and lamé. He even has the lights around the head to indicate a hit, like they put under the fencing masks in the podium bouts at televised/livestreamed international competitions.
That's probably what inspired him to make this design
@@MLGxBXRxPRO perhaps!
You run faster with a knife, you deal more damage if you right click, but left clicking will give you faster cuts to the person.
Manuel Candidato haha counter strike jokes...
But if you slash slash stab it is better than stab stab. Assuming you can take multiple rounds
Ons bullet is never enough due to adrenalin two in body if they are still coming at you(very unlikely)you put one more in the upper body then head
lol
+Manuel Candidato (Mnmbrane) Sorry but, there is no left or right click for me. I have commander pro and I just hit v and I lunge from 15m away instantly.
A 6 inch blade never jams.
Or has a safety.
+Vizzlemeister it has safety, it's called a sheath
+NeXTSTORMING does that mean guns could have two safety's? Cause the holster
Joseph Stone
knives you unclip, guns you draw
+NeXTSTORMING drawing is a motion, you draw a sword from its sheath ass hat you can draw knife too
No sensible person keeps their pistol unchambered with the safety on
Connor Kenway yeah
I never leave home without 1 in the chamber
Connor Kenway and a holster that far down with a 50 caliber pistol
No, I think every sensible person does that
Pvt. Dexter Grif that's why I don't live somewhere with guns. Also it could fire by accident and leave a nice hole in your leg
Something I don’t think they considered is that it would be a lot further if the gunman wasn’t expecting the knife cause Adam was ready, prepared, and expecting the knife to come at him
Side note it’s a lot scarier to have someone silently combing at you with a knife cause the screaming is a major warning
u wanna know what scarier then a guy going in silently with a knife ? a guy going silently behind u with a silencer pistol or ar to take u out
@@saysamnang6768 i would rather get killed by an ar than a knife
@@saysamnang6768
"Silencers" don't actually silence the gun, they just make it quieter (but still about as loud as a car horn). They go from blow-out-your-eardrums loud to spook-your-neighborhood loud. And regardless, unless you shoot somebody in the head or shoot them multiple times, a knife would probably be more deadly anyway.
@@ob2kenobi388subsonic ammunition with a supressor = you can only hear the gun mechanics.
@@rudyramirez4623and the massive amount of gas being vented 😅 shit sounds like the world's largest can of coke being opened
Harambe didn't even have a knife and he still got shot
Harambe can kill human bare hand so why do he need a knife? he can even broke our bone like hitting a stick.
Oviie Mbem ... So can we. But you don't see us getting shot.
I have been shot numerous time before so I can assure you that your argument wasn't valid
*Joke aside* If you life in a country where almost every household can have gun in their safe then you would see people got shot everyday, like America.
Dy Mo RIP Harambe
Oviie Mbem your a lying sack of shit, and my country laughs at yours
Too many variables.
- Gun carrier might already have one in the chamber
- Gun carrier might be able to quick draw
- Gun carrier might start firing before aiming, hitting the legs, groin and lower torso before finishing shots.
- Gun carrier may have no experience and mess up with the handgun.
- Gun carrier likely not carrying HEAVY stopping power in public (Deagle etc.)
- Knife carrier might dodge and weave while approaching (+ obstacles in the way)
- Knife carrier might be wearing some form of body armour
- Knife carrier might be able to throw knife/knives.
- Knife carrier might be jacked on adrenaline/methamphetamine and keep going
- Knife carrier might slash at aiming hand and keep attacking.
All in all, a knife is a viable weapon in pretty close range against an inexperienced shooter or a shooter without a loaded weapon - but it'd be dead close.
I completely agree, generally I prefer a knife tho!
knifes are superior
+Chandler Allen only at closer range tho
Really, if the knife wielder is smart, fast and precise, no one with any gun will stop the knife wielder. Aim a gun at them, run out of bullet path. They can't shoot fast enough, they dead. You toss that crap, they dead. And even if you're running and they shoot you, the knife will launch at them.
Atleast I'm not the only one that thinks this.
Sometimes they aren't very smart. Why does James start with a knife in his hand in a running position, but Adam start with a holstered gun. This test assumes that you're not already holding the gun when you clearly see the other person is holding a weapon, assumes that the gun needs to be cocked or a round is not chambered and also assumes the person holding the gun is not going to move or do anything to block the knife.
Too many variables being ignored.
Because people don't walk around with their gun in their hand all the time? Because this is probably more of a police vs criminal scenario?
Then by your logic, people walk around with a knife in their hand all the time? As if police in the US are not known for being overly aggressive and pulling guns for small reasons.
Siveon Farcloud If they're doing something illegal? Yeah. Criminals don't wear a gun on their hip. And what does someone being able to charge you with a knife and kill you from a good distance away have to do with police being overly aggressive?
If they are in the act of doing something illegal sure, but then the police would also know of it and have their guns drawn. Being overly aggressive means they will go for the guns sooner and not wait until the criminal pulls the knife from their pocket. Also people don't magically teleport to that distance, if the police was dealing with a criminal, they would have stepped back and drawn the weapon the moment they saw something suspicious.
+Siveon Farcloud even on draw, knife is dangerous.
I remember hearing even back in 2001 that a knife at 10ft or less actually may have the advantage if well handled. This just re-enforces that and even seems to push that distance out a bit.
It's the 21-foot rule 21 feet is the minimum distance you can draw your sidearm and put 2 rounds into center mass
@@olivertrevino8092 Makes sense I may have remembered the distance wrong. As I said heard about it in '01 and 20 odd years is plenty of time for memory to fade. Still 21ft isn't really all that far when someone's worked up and determined.
@@olivertrevino8092 The two rounds rule is a pretty sane detail that I haven't heard before. It's definitely possible to immediately disable a sprinting attacker in one shot, but hardly something you can count on. Not to mention if you're quick-drawing and more or less shooting from the hip.
In many of the knife vs gun tests where the knife attacker gets hit 'just in time', they'd likely just keep running and, at best, just leave their knife buried in the gunman's gut or chest. If you have enough time to unload multiple rounds into them, I guess it's safe to assume they'll be hurt enough for the gunman to at least have the advantage in hand-to hand combat if they close the distance regardless.
Even not well handled. Most knives aren't full tang handled. Thank you thank you thank you! i'll be here all week!
It's been well known since at least the early 80's. Google Dennis Tueller. FBI also did studies on it at the time I think.
This is why you shouldn’t empty chamber Carry
Luke Taylor you mean the safest method of carry?
@IIIIISIXXIIIIII only in america
@@slimezz4680 tell that to the people in paris last week, or london yesterday. Isn't carrying a knife illegal there? I bet they wish they could have carried a gun to stop him at distance
Lord of Weird well no shit it’s called second amendment
Lord of Weird We know your jealous
I mean if you have a gun you can run away then shoot ya know
Corncob Johnson real But the person with a knife can throw the knife.
@@nutbuster3862 I will bust the fattest nut
@@nutbuster3862 And if he misses ? xD
MaAkoor Then he can use his fists or run.
@@nutbuster3862 the name is the best
Or just throw the pommel and end him rightly instead.
The wisdom of master Skallagrim transcends all boundaries on the interwebs!
Kuro, the "pommel meme" is about using misdirection and unexpected methods. It is about defeating your foe before they even realize they are engaged. It is a level of strategy over direct tactics. It is "kazushi" or "unbalancing." Try reading Sun Tzu.
The "pommel meme" started on a popular RUclips channel by Skallagrim a few years ago. Skallagrim is a great guy who does sword/knife reviews and also practices HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts). At one point, he referenced a medieval fencing/dueling textbook where the pommel-throwing idea was described as a way to get a surprise opening attack.
[Recently, JoergSprave actually built a spring-loaded pommel-shooting sword to honor the idea: "How To End Dem Elves 'n Hobbits Rightly"]
Anyway, the idea of "ending him rightly" caught on and spread around the internet. I have even seen references to it on "PBS Spacetime," which is a theoretical physics channel. Some ideas just take on a life of their own :)
As for the real world, here is my original post about knife vs gun in close-order operations (I was part of some 1990's demos):
"In tests like this between actual policemen and martial artists, the knife consistently had advantage way out to 30 feet (9 meters), even without tactics like dive-rolling to close distance and mess with the gun's aim. If you add some element of surprise or dive-rolling by the knife attacker, the knife wins from 35+ feet.
In younger days, I could close that distance with 3 steps and a dive roll, rising into melee range in under 2 seconds -- and as a variable-profile target with high inertia in my favor. The expressions were priceless, and the reactions were both spooked and hilarious. Even trained officers can get freaked out when they have 100 kilograms tumbling at 20 kph pop up right in their face, blade first, with a grappling expert behind it :>
My favorite reaction from an officer was: "So... you're still one of the good guys, right?!" My answer: "Yah, but someone else might not be."
Tests like this caused many police departments to change their close-order operations strategy."
Stop
Nice fucking meme!
What's funny is that when Jamie trips and falls it's basically what happened in Justified when that dude tried to knife-rush Raylan, tripped, and stabbed himself in the face.
+Helium Road One of the most hilariously anti-climatic scenes in TV history.
That's the best tv show ever
0:02 cracks me up, someone just threw a tumbleweed into frame.
Technique is wrong on the last gun test.
Do not extend your arm straight when he is already so close. Shoot from your hip instead.
Also, 1 shot is not certain to incapacitate the runner every time. He might still be mobile long enough to hit you couple times, and push your gun away.
Yes, that's interesting point. I saw the video somewhere on youtube with 2 professionals: one in knifes, another in guns. And they tested same idea. In that case gun was more effective then knife even at shorter distances.
Yep, carry with round in chamber and you can fire as soon as you clear your holster. you can even fire multiple times as you continue to bring the gun up and put your support hand on it. I know from experience that 1 round won't cut it (unless you hit the brain stem), ESPECIALLY if drugs are involved.
Yeah ever have some run at you with a knife, axe, ball bat? Real life is far harder then training Plus you who trains like that? A few do but not many.
Certain guns won't fire unless you pull the trigger
By the same token, 1 stab is often not enough. If you can free enough space to use the pistol before subsequent stabs, then you still have a very good chance
If you’re carrying without a round chambered you shouldn’t be carrying.
A revolver back in old western times most likely didn't have a safety divet beside each chamber, not until conversion kits, so they were taught to load with one unloaded and 4 loaded, keeping the unloaded one under the pin in order to keep from hitting the hammer while holstered to avoid shooting yourself in the foot, or worse shooting yourself in the leg, so no they usually didn't have one in the chamber, perhaps they shouldve been carrying? Nowadays if they have a modern firearm yes you can carry with one in the chamber but this isn't based on modern day it's based on the era of conquering the west so it has the same standard
@@LtcreamThesecondcocking the hammer on a revolver isn’t nearly as disruptive as pulling the slide on a semiauto pistol
@@LtcreamTheseconda single action revolver is way quicker than you think to cock the hammer. This guy was using a semi auto stand in and was having to cock it. It was a stupid test and if it was done right he would have been stopped in half the distance
@@johnm3907 I know that but that's not what I was talking about
@@thearmoredchimp129 I know that it takes longer for a slide than a revolver that's not the point
And whenever a cop shoots someone with a knife all you hear is "ALL HE HAD WAS A KNIFE THE COP WAS A MURDERER!!!"
what moron said that? If someone is trying to harm me with a baseball bat, knife or even a unarmed choke I'm pulling out my gun
It's actually pretty scary, quite a few people can tank a tazer, in fact, I've seen a guy (not sure whether he's a lil drugged/drunk up) straight up stand up right after being tazed while being restricted by two cops.
Your argument is completely destroyed by the simple fact that other countries police forces handle the exact same situations, with non lethal force, and with no more injuries to the cops.
Somehow America is the only western nation where almost every "dangerous" situation requires someone to die, excessively.
And it's no mystery how it has become like this, the reason why is well known.
It's partly because:
1. US cops are often alone, for some unfathomable reason. Cops should always be at least 2, self explanatory. It's a safety issue for both the cop and the civilian.
2. US cops are shockingly undereducated! The average US cop gets 19 weeks of training, in Germany police training last at least 130 weeks! 19 vs 130... yeah I know which officer I will be calling.
3. US cops are trained to not take any risks, even though they are in a profession where taking risk is essential for doing a good job. "Shoot first, ask questions later" has never been good police work.
Look, I could get into lots of reasons and details here, but the main underlying problem is their training.
Most cops are not evil, they are simply not qualified to handle the situations that come with the job.
I wasn't disagreeing, I just thought it was spooky that people could go on absolutely fine after being tased.
Who cares if they die if they're trying to knife a cop? I certainly don't!
And too bad they don't get killed in France cause then they get 2 months of jail and get out haha
Well actually in the west at those times the Cowboys can draw their guns really quick. So I don't know if I should still stick to my knives
Also they used revolvers on which you don´t have to pull the slide back to fire.
Plus you only had to pull back the hammer with your pistol, though the myth relating to modern times is busted, I'd say.
its the 6 second rule, you need to clear leather and put rounds down range in under 6 seconds, the average time it takes a human to run 7 meters.
Dude what are you talking about in 6 seconds you run around 40m.
There was this guy, Bob Munden, that guy could shoot 6 people in the blink of an eye.
Factors they didnt put in this test. 1. Obstructions between each individual
2. objects for the knife person to slip or trip on. (Although that didnt stop from happening.)
3. The shooters ability to retreat and evade while drawing their firearm.
4. A loaded fire arm.
Practice? I think that should be an included factor. I don't think either one of them have been involved in mortal combat.
I agree someone say in special forces or on a swat team is no doubt gonna draw alot faster
It was not to test your situations but to test the myth. Don't get it too complicated.
Try watching Doug Marcaida and Instructor Zero trying those situations out. If you haven't yet heard about them, they are both experts on guns and knives as a weapon. They are on Funker Tactical, Gun vs Knife here on RUclips.
@@theinnuminati it's not really testing the myth if they dont take too weapon experts and asking them how a situation would go and testing that or if they have a gun expert doing the test
Little did they know this would be evidence in 2020 in defense of cops.
Tim pool?
@@sniperzBAK Harumph I say!
Adam is ripping what little hair he has left off over cops using his content
What if you brought a gun fight to a knife...
Then that knife would have a gun
Try the same thing with a single action revolver
fail
Exactly they used a modern day Gun and they had to load it when a single action is just one lever not the whole top piece lol
It's more about their pose and stuff. The quick draw guys don't bring the gun all the way up to their chests-they only pull it out of the holster, then fire. It save a precious few seconds.
Of course us average joes would most likely miss the intended target doing that.
You could always just leave one in the chamber then all you have to do is pull back the lever.
and what is stopping me from stepping back or strafing at that point?
use a revolver no safety needed and no cocking
Yes but you dont need two hands. Its just a longer trigger pull
only a single action needs to be cocked, double action cycles and fires everytime you put the trigger.
+John J The only thing that matter is that I can pull it out and pull the trigger twice as fast as Jamie with my revolver
ok. I forgot that the single actions were like that. Thats why I never bought one. I never liked that.
Even a single action is faster than cocking that pistol they used.
The other thing is, a single shot rarely takes down someone in an instant, especially when adrenaline is in the mix. You could get off one shot, get stabbed 30 times and the agressor goes home afterward.
Very true.
@@nekrominh131 That's why, no matter how tough I think I am, if someone breaks into my home I'll try to run outside if possible and imediately call the police.
I also think for the first round they probably could have both been dead in a real situation. I don't think you just drop to the ground like a potaoe once your shot, he probably would have stumbled forward and still got him with the knife after being shot. So it's very much possible that both die. So running is probably smarter if you see someone with a knife.
Most people who conceal carry have their guns loaded already
Seth Pomeroy Most people that carry knives don't wave them around all willy nilly from 80 feet away when they want to stab you lol. In close range where it matters a concealed knife is more dangerous than a concealed gun.
number3665
Depends on how you train. There are many close quarter training methods that make a gun just as, if not, more effective than a knife. Someone can get stabbed or cut multiple times without the wounds being life threatening whereas being shot is a little more traumatic. Another thing to remember is that the closer someone is, the harder it is to miss and I only need one hand to shoot the other could be deflecting the knife. If you're a smart and you conceal carry, you've thought ahead about the possibility of a knife being drawn on you and there is already a round chambered so you won't be fumbling with the gun like Adam and Jamie (obviously they are not professional shooters). I've watched multiple CCW defense trainers do demonstrations with these scenarios and they are vastly different in speed and technique leading me to believe that neither Adam nor Jamie have had adequate training with real guns (not props) to conduct this experiment in a manner that boasts accurate results. They didn't even have a professional tactical defense trainer come in as a guest on the show for demonstrations, perpetuating a very Californian anti-gun undertone to the show. Also, isn't there a saying as old as guns themselves that one shouldn't bring a knife to a gun fight?
Seth Pomeroy There are lots of saying that are wrong. People skilled with a knife have killed people with guns all the time. And we are talking close quarters not a variety of other scenarios. Small room, corridor, crawl space, anywhere you'd rather have a shotgun than a rifle. Like you say it is how good you are with the knife or gun. And if we're talking adrenaline fueled professionals it'll take more than one shot to put them down and they won't go for any area that isn't a kill. Take military knife training for example face to face they always go for the throat. And you have little chance of surviving with a ka-bar in your neck. It's quiet too so you can take multiple targets without being heard. But it's less about the weapon and more about who is using the weapon. And I think the moral they were getting at is don't underestimate your opponent, just because you have a gun doesn't mean you're a god among men. Only way to settle this is have the worlds greatest bladed weapons expert go against the worlds greatest pistol sharpshooter and see who comes out on top 9 times out of 10.
***** When you cut someone's throat they drown in their own blood. Effective and quiet enough to walk away from. You don't won't hear it from yards away like a gunshot.
***** Almost. But a suppressed gun at least none I've seen actually make a whisper of the gunshot. It's a hell of a lot quieter yet someone close enough could still hear. The outcome depends mostly on the situation and the user more so than the weapon itself.
But what about knife throwers?
Check out no reload knife throwing on youtube- the guys who can do that can have 3 knives in each hand and throw them all so blinding fast- 6 in a target in no time at all.
_iTzRiazPvP ツ yea if your considered a knife thrower your probably skilled
Ron W Never throw your weapon. If it doesn’t kill you’re screwed.
That's why you don't carry just ONE- 3 or more is best.
Ron W It still won’t work, a throwing knife will not instant kill like a bullet, the knife won’t go through bone or thick clothing like a bullet.
Who’s here from Tim pool podcast?
I’m here from a video he posted on Oct. 18 about Biden telling cops to aim for the legs
I just saw that one too earlier today
I watched the first 25 seconds of the video and the answer is 21 feet. Learned that going through law enforcement training. A knife inside 21 feet is lethal. Of course any cop carrying a handgun is carrying in "Condition 0" which means no need to take a safety off or rack the slide(cock it). Also, remember that 1 round will NOT stop an attacker, so you need to get multiple rounds off before the knife gets to you. This is also why they teach the "close contact drill" which involves firing from the hip at a distance of 2 yards. You draw your weapon, turn your wrist/elbow so you're pointing at the target with your handgun still by your holster, and fire immediately without aiming.
Xbox One Even a .45 usually takes more than one round.
Listen to this man. He knows what's he's talking about. This isn't some jargon from an armchair commander, this is real life training info that police actively use.
superdrummergaming Normaly because of adrenaline. It will take multiply shots to stop a target. The target might die after killing you.
superdrummergaming end of the day, against someone with a knife, you're better off knowing how to sacrifice your forearms to save your vitals. Everyone should learn practical knife defense because your gun isn't a guarantee.
superdrummergaming It is best to remember that the 21 foot rule is a guideline. It is the point where the average cop will not be able to react and get two shots center mass from holster against the average charging knife wielder. Depending on reaction times, conditions, preparedness, speed, and ability this distance can change remarkably. The point of the 21 foot rule is that if a suspect is close and wielding an edged weapon they are a potential threat. If you do not have you gun drawn and aimed you are at a disadvantage should they decide to attack.
It bothers me they decided to use the knife in a reverse grip rat ham than standard in a competition of reach.
It's probably the standard grip for any crazed maniac trying to psychotically charge down a visibly armed gunman.
Yeah that really bothered me as well, like on test two he would've got him if it'd been standard grip. Also somehow I don't think he can properly utilize the advantages of reverse grip.
He tried to do a dolphin dive. . .
well said
Man. I used to love mythbusters when I was growing up. Good times.
Why would he not keep a round chambered? It's a major timesaver, plus it allows you to carry one extra round. And when it comes down to a life or death situation like this, you want every advantage you can get
deleetmeeh There are way too many variables for this to be considered a valid test. Some people run faster than other. How are you carrying the pistol? How experienced is the shooter?
Not to mention that the "myth" is specifically referring to a "gun fight", which is a pre-meditated evend where both parties know there's about to be some deadly force. No safeties. No chambering rounds. Just one guy whose primary intent is _speed_. Bleh.
lots of problems here, most defensive handguns are carried with a round in the chamber and don't employ a safety (i.e. Glocks or almost any other concealable pistol) and why would you stand still while being charged at? this also assumes stab wounds are far more effective than they really are.
Cody Mann I dont think the possible variables are the problem here. The question is, can a knife take out a gunman? In this type of situation, the answer is yes, it can. However, like you said there are many variables with many possible outcomes.
Terry Mcginnis
You do realize that the title of the myth and the title of the video all state specifically about bringing a knife to a gun fight. This refers quite specifically to the situation of westerns where there was a pre-arranged fight.
Why would a gunman leave his safety engaged - or bring a gun that had such an elaborate and slow pre-fire procedure to a gun fight?
1:23 When the police chases you but you're a true Nazi
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He still touches you with the knife after he’s been shot. So in theory you would still probably get stabbed and depending on how close he is will determine the amount of damage a stab.
right once stabbed, it's down hill. Ok that's cute you have to aim. knife person doesn't. just slice slice and staby staby.
@@gorkskoal9315 you guy dont know that it take some amount of strength for a knife person to slice through and do lethal damage also people who made these knife vs gun video had a biased toward knife why is the knife the ambusher if u want to compare them let them both be the ambusher and why is it a glock and not a rifle with holopoint ? it very dumb for a person to pretend like knife is better for close range am just gonna ask u once if u had a kid and if she or he hold a knife would u be scared? what abt if the kid hold a gun pointing at u are u scared ? and also dont give me the "ohhh the gun hands are shaky he wont aim well another question is two room with a door let just say one is with a guy with a gun he is aim toward the door trying to kill u the other door is a guy with a knife which one would u choose u would have to be very stupid to pick a guy with a gun lmao actually in close range it easier to shoot someone then from a far idagf abt ur knife if we close range and i already drawn my gun and my aim is at u there wont only be 1 bullet with the speed of sound going straight through u it would be a bunch of them to empty my mag also dont point out"" i seeen guy who take bullet and still charging toward cop the thing is most of these guy do drugs and second only a small percentage would survive that while the majority would get drop after 2-3 shot
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This is an excellent, if not entertaining, demonstration of the Tueller Drill. While Adam was able to shoot Jamie, he couldn't do it before Jamie was able to stab him in the chest. The only issue I have with this example is that no one in their right mind - especially law enforcement officers - would carry on an empty chamber. That part is unrealistic.
American TV is unbearable with the 'coming up' spoilers before the ads and the recap tedium after it...
+fredex8 While I was on holiday in Florida we only turned on the TV once and never again. Too many adverts means I couldn't actually get interested enough to stay on one channel and every channel I turned too seemed to be on an advert. We were saved by BBC World News channel.
Tzimnewman3 I love watching TV out there. Not for the programs but just because the adverts are so unbelievably ridiculous that it's like I'm in some alternative reality. Can't go more than ten minutes without an advert trying to convince you to sue someone for something...
+fredex8 Well that's TV... Even the internet is becoming more like it.
Why have the gun on safety if there's no round in the chamber? That doesn't make any sense what so ever... The police have what's called I believe the 21 foot rule which states that a man armed with a knife is a danger to the cop if he's within 21 feet of him, you have to also remember that almost every time, it takes multiple gunshots to drop an attacker. It's not like in the movies where a someone under stress can just draw a gun, shoot the attacker once and drop him, that's not how it works in the real world. In reality it usually takes 3-5 shots if not more (and that's if every shot you fire hits the moving target while you're acting on a split second decision while in fight or flight mode)...
The Tueller drill, and yes. If you're a highly skilled gun user, and you're aware that you're under attack you can probably draw and put multiple bullets into an attacker before they stab you to death if there's 21 feet of space.
Of course in a surprise attack you're not going to be aware that you're under attack. You may well freeze for a second. As you say a single gunshot probably won't stop someone attacking... for a regular person in a normal situation, you probably want 30 feet of clearance.
The big problem with the 21 foot rule is that it makes it hard to explain to a jury why you blew away that guy who was 25 feet away from you, was blading (turning his body half away from you to conceal his actions) and whose dominant hand had dropped to their waist as if about to draw a weapon. Because they're programmed to think "well you're safe at 21 feet" when that was actually an absolute best case scenario, they need things carefully explained to them before they'll understand you acted in self-defense.
thats not true, simply watch any bodycam footage of an attacker with a knife
Theres always advantage to the attacker because of surprise unless you are in a warzone you wont be gunning down everybody within 21 feet, and they get their adrenaline up first because they know what they are about to do. It should be pretty easy to smile, say hello, walk up to them and pull out a knife and stab them.
What the hell are you shooting them with a .22 lr. I guarantee you arnt going to fight if your shot with something like a .44 Magnum or a .45 ACP your going to fall down in agony as your lung is leaking out of a 4 inch wide hole in your back
There is a video that breaks down some hard numbers as to the actual effectiveness of many caliber handguns. You might be surprised to see the percentages based on real life numbers that were able to be collected. I was shocked to see how ineffective almost all handguns are. The true key is the user and not the caliber.
Don't bring a knife to a gunfight unless the guy with the gun is an incompetent hobbyist who takes more than one second to draw and fire and can't fire from position three in an emergency.
21 foot rule is also used to train police and military. I know because I was in the military.
nathan gross Obvious troll is obvious
95% of the world are incompetent hobbyist who takes more than 1 second to draw and fire so i think we're good.
Festus Omega I KNOW as I served in the 69 CobbleStone Core.
yeah but aren't you guys trained to step off to the side and follow the attacker as he charges you?
One thing the test also missed is how Jamie slows down before fully reaching him because he obviously doesn’t want to run into him full force, in a real situation, the person with the knife would just try to run through the other person
There's also many other factors to consider. Getting that one perfect stab in to stop your opponent isn't easy. Most likely the gun user with a pistol won't be standing still and will have his free hand/arm getting in the way of the stab. The knife wielder could probably hurt the gunman, but the gunman has way more stopping power with his pistol. The knife user stopping the gunman from getting shots off is insanely difficult. This experiment is fun and shows you how dangerous knife wielders can be where they can get to you way quicker than you think, but it also doesn't show the chaos of a real fight.
Never bring a knife to a gunfight...
*Bring a spear instead*
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“We have to touch unfortunately”....has so much more meaning now. :(
Jacob Burnett well just because they didn't get along very well doesn't mean they hated each other. If they did they probably wouldn't have made it for over a decade of seasons. He probably just said that jokingly
Did they not like eachother?
Did they actually dislike each other? Or did they just not hang out off-set? Bit of a difference between the two.
Thought the same thing lol & you could tell Jamie really went for it & wanted to stab him badly & that nerd rage kicked in & took him straight to the ground lol
I knew I shouldn't have looked at the replies..
Ok a few things. Don't carry a desert eagle because it handles like a brick. Don't carry without a round in your chamber. Practice your draw because a good shooter can draw and hit in .5 sec. Your test is busted.
Well they always testing the "average person test" not a pro test, and a fit soldier can kill you with a knife faster that 5 secs in that distance.
SenselessTalk
The average person doesn't open carry a desert eagle lol
Rascal77s There they are the average people who open carry a desert eagle, we call them "MYTHBUSTERS".
SenselessTalk Its just common sense, a moderately skilled gunman will diffidently hit you if your more than 3 meters away.
Johnathan List Then there is just standing there while someone with a knife charges you. With a gun against a close knife attacker you want to be on your back and using your legs as a barrier. Just one ridiculously simple move completely changes the balance of the fight.
Woahhh. This kills that "defund" movement. Somewhere in America a liberals head is exploding.
Jamie always runs like he's really in an action movie
cod melee in a nutshell
It's kinda awkward watching these now knowing that Jamie and Adam never really got along
Really? is that why the show ended?
Izzie Soto how do you know
Israel orozco cause after the show ended, they both admitted it
A running and screaming Jaime Hyneman with a knife is definitely my sleep paralysis demon.
Wdym, that’s an anti-sleep paralysis demon. Sure as hell would get me back into my body.
Well, in 95% of situations, the gun is already out, loaded, and ready to fire.....
This was western themed. A lot of "cowboys" carried their pistols hammer down on an empity chamber because colt single action army's were notoriously unsafe. So the cocking requirement is alright. But yes a modern gunfight the weapon would be chambered.
@@checkmate058 they do if the have a revolver then always round in chamber and ready to go
@@11Tits the colt single action army has a fixed fireing pin that rested on a primer. "Cowboys" only loaded 5 of the 6 chambers and carried the revolver with hammer down on the empity cilinder for maximum safety. The cocking requirement is appropriate.
I went down to the comments to say this lol
You were about 7 years too late
lol its not like the gun holder cant walk back
Backpedaling doesnt help i have tried this test before and trying to accurately shoot and jump back is very difficult i barely got a round off before i was stabbed
Axton Dragunov of course it helps. Even better: let yourself fall down backwards. There isnt much movement going on once you are on the ground while you still gained distance.
Much bigger problem with this test: a knife wielder doesnt need to run at you screaming. He can simply walk up to you without you suspecting a thing, then get out his knife and stab
On the other hand, if you have drawn your gun already, then even a few feet would be too much for a knife
Unless there's a wall behind you
or just step to the side a few feet. Someone running straight at you at that speed probably wouldn't have the agility to change direction if the gunner stepped out of the way. There's a video on Active Self Protection on RUclips that has this exact scenario where the cop is about 15 yards away from the perpetrator with a knife, who charges at him full speed. The cop steps out of the way just a little bit, and shoots the knife guy. Overall, this was a poorly thought out episode of Myth Busters as there are many variables. Especially the one that you mentioned about the gun holder walking back.
Alexander Hyde and to think all they had to do was visit their local law enforcerment for some testing.
This test isn't even realistic to begin with. If you shot a person who was sprinting at you with a knife, there is a good chance that the bullet would not be able to stop the momentum built up from sprinting from that distance, therefore not leaving the gunslinger safe. The person with the knife could keep moving forward and effectively stab the gunman. And also, just because the gunslinger has been stabbed does not mean that he/ she is unable to return fire at the knife wielder, therefore leaving the knife wielder unsafe as well. Just because a person is mortally wounded does not me they are incapable of fighting back. A person who receives a mortal wound in a fight (i.e. Gunshot wound or stab wound or any other injury) may not die for several minutes, hours, days, or ,as in one case, forty years leader after surgery complications. There is nothing this test could do to factor in the severity of the wounds or the ability to fight back while down, not even mentioning the role that the skill with a certain weapon would play in the whole scenario. Just my two cents.
Sean Creed that’s because it is too difficult to factor in all those possibilities as practically every human will react differently to these situations.
The most unrealistic part of this test is the fake bullets and the fake knife.
Not if you happen to be using a 44 magnum revolver loaded with hollow point projectiles and blast the person nee cap off or even if you got any where else like even the torso it will turn there insides to jelly and the impact of a 44 will definately drop them on there ass and also the 44 is a great choice to carry around with you.
Travis Williams nice
Well I mean the gun he was using for this was a Desert Eagle 50AE I think that would throw Usain Bolt back 10ft
Jordan Burkhead not really, it would probably go right through him like bullets do. Bullets have to be stopped to transfer their kinetic energy In full, the more power the bullet has the less force you will feel from it without any body armor such as kevlar
There's so much nuance to this question, because besides the speed/distance question, knife wounds are much more survivable than gun wounds. A clean stab wound has to be in just the right spot to do deadly damage. Right in the heart or a major blood vessel. Even a punctured lung is survivable if you get help fast enough.
Gun wounds though, they do explosive damage. They not only cause the entry wound which is usually small, the exit wound tends to be big, and/or if it stays inside it does a lot more damage than a knife. It will wreck a lot of blood vessels and has a much higher chance of actually killing you
That's why the twist of the knife technique was invented to create more damage. You might be able to grab the gun if you stab first
2:58 running to my dreams
except unlike him I never got close to them
More like...running *_IN_* my dreams
But you didn't even try to evade the knife
And he didn't have a round already chambered, everybody who carries a gun keeps it ready to pull the trigger.
Thats not really true. Plenty of people concealed carry without a chambered round.
Most people who CC do.
Domebuddy That's the point of concealed carry, to legally be able to have a round chambered ready for self defense.
It doesnt matter on what you think the point of it is, Lots of people concealed carry without a chambered round which was my point. It doesn't matter what the percieved correct way to concealed carry, I was just indicating that "everybody who carries a gun keeps it ready to pull the trigger" is just factually wrong. Regardless, It's not a smart idea to pull a gun on someone close enough to stop you from chambering a round anyways.