Hello, Supa. If you read this, please know I've been a long time viewer and sub on your twitch, but I keep my youtube and twitch anonymous. I discovered you in Legion when I couldn't find many boomy players making content. You have brightened my day and kept me interested in this game through the good and the bad. I've watched your weight loss and was inspired to do the same (I've lost 70 lbs in 6 months through a TON of cardio and very little calorie consumption). Anyways, I just wanted to say, thank you for what you do. Content creation and shout casting, you are the best. Continue to put in the grind, because many of us appreciate you.
Holy shit I just went and looked at video from 7 years ago… congrats to you Supa, big big thumbs up to you losing all that weight and being a healthier human! Anyway, when you making that TWW PvP tier list??
As a mid or lower healer, I love sustain heal, busty heal is ok in M+ but in raid sometime I just healing full hp raid, it boring. Not all healer know everything going on in raid and planing ahead all the time.
Excited for this change in pace for game play, expecting to see the rise of rot comps in arena, and maybe even RBG's after these changes and their new philosophy.
Maybe the shift in the damage profiles will allow for some nice PVP montages again and not just highlight reels of oneshots or some good players attempting 1v2 but failing since even noobs oneshots everything
Frost dk's deathstrike in pvp is a dps loss. The button doesn't feel good at all to hit and with the damage you are taking it just feels like a struggle to keep yourself alive. If they nerf DS at all it will be borderline useless.
the day wll make: Gladiators of Warcraft , where the game is literally PVP ONLY, you log in, max geared, you do pvp, you get cosmetic, you have ladder, you have dedicated class design and balancing.... aaaaaah
Its alright saying more sustained damage will make the game more predictable, but at the same time it runs the risk.of being boring. Pvp shouldnt be like a pve boss battle. Dps like big crits and feeling powerful, not endlessly grinding away feeling like you hitting them with a wet noodle.
well make cc meaningful again, and not tons of micro cc and massive dmg. make sheeps stuns and re saps matter. A healer cant heal when cced at a crucial point. make cast times a bit longer so kicks are useful again. when was the last time someone died in arena because the healer was spell locked?
i dont know much, but i do know I could take a second mortgage out and bet the entire amount that every week, theres going to be ret paladin buffs, until theres zero point in playing anything else. Sub rogues rotation is a fucking meme. Dh was PERFECT in DF, now we have single target no mover build...
People keep bitchin about bursty damage while in literally every other pvp game time to kill is 2-10 seconds while for some reason people insist that in WoW it should be minutes, and then they quit the game because "pvp boring, nothing dies"
BFA coming back you will see guys :D IMHO if any era should be back its wotlk with the more secondary stats, and ofc crit 200%baseline. And instead of the shitty vers a proper pvp stat…
@@Jacob-km4yb second wind is cool but impending victory is lame. It feels like i use some healing potion. Remove it and buff pain and gain, armor and stamina instead we are warriors we shouldnt heal big chunks of hp like a healer
arcane mage from legion first time i ever really played 3s got high rated season 1 at least for a scrub like me ever since legion it felt like every expansion was just "go fire because blizzard nerfed arcane and frost in pvp because they overperformed in the beta and never reverted or gave them any buffs or changes for the entirety of the expansion" and im hoping this isn't another expansion where i cant play arcane or frost because they over performed in beta and fire went through unfettered (blizzard always seems to love fire mage at least the last 6 years or so..) but I should probably just not be hyped for mage and just play demo like I have been. Really would rather not be forced to fire but it always leans to fire for the past 6 years. Sigh
I start playin if i see more and faster pvp balance if something is broken ...... so never again im sure! They need to focus on buff and nerf *% vs player 😢
This has been the complaint I've had since BFA. They are making pvp into Mythic+ with a focus on sustained damage instead of properly aligning burst. Ugh, this is not good.
I don't know or care for mythic+, but I am of the opposite opinion. I rather be able to kill and have the game matter throughout the whole match, not just every 2 minutes
@@EduardoCadena1 It shouldn't take 3 minutes of micromanaging a bunch of small modifiers to meaningless abilities to win a duel. I miss when an 2 hand auto attack could chunk 5-10% of your health, and nukes were like 20-25%.
I really enjoy sustain dmg instead of having to wait 1-2min for burst. It makes you focus more on outsmarting with abilities rather than everyone waiting for their go.
Nerfing pain and gain... lol 2% at this point just remove the talent completely it feels so insignificant. Just redesign warrior durabilty to come from armor and stamina not from impending victory. That ability makes no sense. Make it a node at least with something else im sick of people crying "if not for that ability u would have lost". We are warriors not healers... i dont want big chunks of heal give us armor back ffs plate has become a joke
Sounds like healing is going to be more of a gear check and less of a reflex timer. This is bad. I don't like it. I prefer the current situation of arena PVP. I've been a healer in arena since season 2 of retail WOW. I've mained druid and evoker. I've had 1900 on 2v2 and solo shuffle. 90% of the times I lose I can tell what happened, what went wrong and how to prevent it from happening again. I like the reflex timer. Gear checking is boring.
With how easy conquest gear is to get everyone has the same gear. But as a healer I agree it is much more fun to have burst CD gameplay than constant aoe pressure gameplay which is what they are obviously aiming for in TWW. In Season 4 of DF while the spec balance is one of the best its ever been, the gameplay is one of the worst its ever been, with several DPS specs having 50% of their damage coming from spamming 1 button to every player (garrote, corruption, vamp touch, moonfire, ignite etc).
@@Crobian a dps/hps checking based gameplay will never be balanced. Because then you have to balance it 100%. Which is impossible and has never been done. Even if it is achieved then people will look for advantages in utility. Then you'll have to balance utility 100%. Meaning everyone has the same amount of CC, mobility, buff, debuff, slow, knock back, etc. People will always look for that 1% edge over the opponent where ever that may be (gems, legendaries, etc.) and they always have. Reflex checking is the answer. Whatever gives them that 1% edge, everyone will flock to it. I know because I will. It's the same with PVE and PVP. Besides, if it goes down to who goes OOM first, nightelf druids will always have the advantage. Let us just compete who has faster hands instead of better builds/combos. The game will be vastly better.
Some button bloat has been addressed with presumably more to come like auto changing a spell to another spell if criteria is met, as for the rest of the issues 🤷♂
@@DH-ht9pl Preach. Idk where this bloat bs is coming from. The pruning that started in WoD had so many people up in arms/quit and now out of no where people complaining about "button bloat" lol
I don't think the game is gonna be much different at all. I think the healing change is more likely to be bad than good as at least the oh sh*t healing moments produce some stress and excitement. Longer arena matches sound bad too which this healing change sounds like it will produce. I hope I'm wrong but I have a bad feeling TWW will be a dud expansion like BfA.
I hate to see blizzard nerfing the fun interactions like proc rates for arcane and not just tuning down the damage 😢 Just nerf the damage not the interactions ^^
This is the first expansion i haven't been that excited about. I just don't think Blizzard cares enough about the casual PvP experience and it's mostly about PvE
I dont think your are properly informed to state your opinion like that... I actually feel like they are on a really good track with the game. And you say they dont care about the casual PvP experience? They literally made it more casual friendly in dragonflight, and will be even more casual friendly in the war within with solo queue rbg coming...
If they really want to improve healing, they should stop the ability of healers to keep a target bouncing between 1-5% health, as that as a dps is infuriating. Its like just die ffs 😂
Okay how is this gonna affect disc? Almost all of their healing is percentage based off of their damage. Already nerfing warlock survivability when they are the least mobile class in game. Unreal man. Mages only ones that can deal with melee again.
@@Jacob-km4yb Thats the issue, any fool can play warrior and do well with it. In order to fair well on a lock against any melee you have to be above average. Cobrak just did a video a few weeks ago where he dueled a Warrior, the Warrior made several terrible mistakes and still won after a 3 minute duel, why? Because of endless gap closers and uptime along with ridiculous self heals. Cobrak is an above average Warlock and he STILL lost, not because of skill, the Warrior was terrible, it weas because of class.
@@p3ngi3 ok well if your gonna be condescending ill go ahead and explain why u have no idea wtf you are talking about. Rets healing is the worst healing in the game for pvp. Period. Not even close. Since they were nerfed in season 1 (it was justified at the time), blizzard nerfed ret healing by a % base. Now we are in season 4 and they never buffed their healing since that nerf and of course every spec in the game got stronger over 3 seasons. they never compensated for the gearing scaling. So, for example right now flash of light (WHICH IS ON A 6 SEC CD) heals on average of about 80-110kish. Word of glory heals for about 90-120k ish. lets not forget too WOG not only costs holy power BUT ALSO COSTS MANA NOW. So put that into perspective of my ret having about 1.6 million hp rn. So each of those heals on average heals for not even 1/10th of my max hp while also making me go oom in the process. Not even taking in to consideration dampening. Doesnt sound very good does it? Now lets talk about the random cds u mentioned that had nothing to do with healing. Freedom? dispellable by half the specs in the game. Also freedom gives 8 seconds of mobility while being on a 25 sec cd. Also take into account that freedom is on a 25 sec cd and u almost always have to pair it with steed (which is a 45 sec cd for 4 secs) so basically gets 4 secs of mobility every 45 secs. Rets mobility is honestly laughable. Now Bubble? 3.5 min cd that can still be purged. SOV? is effected by dampening. Lay on hands? only heals to 75% of max hp now and if heavily HEAVILY effected by dampening. Loh is basically useless 2 mins into an arena match. Thats why u see good rets use it early on. BoS doesnt even heal either idk why tf u said that. Like u do realize these are utilities spells of a utility spec right? Has nothing to do with heals. and finally like u said casting heals. Im gonna be honest with u man, if u see a ret hard casting flash of light, they are either new or stupid. Im a 7x elite, current 2600xp Legend ret. I think i know what im talking about.
Literally the class is massively imbalanced in all regards, its due for nerfs and probably even more. This is good for the health of the game. Less rogues equals better quality pvp
@@anannoyedpanda You obviously haven't played sin in any pve setting where the entire damage window occurs once every minute and outside of that it does absolutely nothing.
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Hello, Supa. If you read this, please know I've been a long time viewer and sub on your twitch, but I keep my youtube and twitch anonymous. I discovered you in Legion when I couldn't find many boomy players making content. You have brightened my day and kept me interested in this game through the good and the bad. I've watched your weight loss and was inspired to do the same (I've lost 70 lbs in 6 months through a TON of cardio and very little calorie consumption).
Anyways, I just wanted to say, thank you for what you do. Content creation and shout casting, you are the best. Continue to put in the grind, because many of us appreciate you.
Holy shit I just went and looked at video from 7 years ago… congrats to you Supa, big big thumbs up to you losing all that weight and being a healthier human!
Anyway, when you making that TWW PvP tier list??
Great now even Paladin can spread dots easier than Shaman.
2 videos within twelve hours? One might think supadupatease is excited for tww =']
Thanks for the update
Thanks so much for the info 🙂
adjust the pvp trinket bonuses to be more in line with the new wacky hp pools.
One question What Happen with the Talent of FuryWarrior 'Annihilator' We'll have in WarWithin? :/
Monk vivify got a stealth 60% PvP nerf on the last round as well
For MW or WW
proof?
As a mid or lower healer, I love sustain heal, busty heal is ok in M+ but in raid sometime I just healing full hp raid, it boring. Not all healer know everything going on in raid and planing ahead all the time.
Wow Arcane has been so shafted ever since the chrono shift removal. The hits keep coming.
Do we think this is gonna make pvp feel a bit more like old school pvp?
Excited for this change in pace for game play, expecting to see the rise of rot comps in arena, and maybe even RBG's after these changes and their new philosophy.
Affliction, shadow priest, boomie and unholy dk mega rot BGs just spreading dots and chain CC healers xD
@@eliotness107 Exactly right, it's one of my favourite RBG comps besides melee cleaves :P
How bad is arcane mage now compared to DF s2? Thats last time i played. And im new to the game 😅so will play it anyway
thanks supa~
Healing changes are good for sure but it is not something " oh wow is changing" thing. lt is just going back to old schoool style.
Blizzard loves Fel magic.... starting to wonder if Gul'dan runs Blizzard, all starting to make sense now
more sustained healing profile? sounds like blood DK buff
Maybe the shift in the damage profiles will allow for some nice PVP montages again and not just highlight reels of oneshots or some good players attempting 1v2 but failing since even noobs oneshots everything
Why not shrink the hp pools back to shadowlands s1
I don't know why they don't just write the Spell/Talent and +/- the percentage change lol. E.g. Explosive Shot: +10% damage
Did Blizzard forget the Rogues in the expansion?
Thinking of maining Mage. Do you think these changes will quell the fear of being blown up by MM hunters!? 😳
the return of LSD rejoice
Yo, supa do you know when the season 4 ends in pvp?
when prepatch comesout
Frost dk's deathstrike in pvp is a dps loss. The button doesn't feel good at all to hit and with the damage you are taking it just feels like a struggle to keep yourself alive. If they nerf DS at all it will be borderline useless.
would be cool if they got work in deathstrike effect into frost strike
the day wll make: Gladiators of Warcraft , where the game is literally PVP ONLY, you log in, max geared, you do pvp, you get cosmetic, you have ladder, you have dedicated class design and balancing.... aaaaaah
I’m not a PvP pro or anything but I feel like anytime the meta makes players tankier the ranged/casters have the advantage?
What’s wrong with rogues ?
nerf shamans
Bro...😂 you're literally the only one saying this
Its alright saying more sustained damage will make the game more predictable, but at the same time it runs the risk.of being boring. Pvp shouldnt be like a pve boss battle. Dps like big crits and feeling powerful, not endlessly grinding away feeling like you hitting them with a wet noodle.
well make cc meaningful again, and not tons of micro cc and massive dmg. make sheeps stuns and re saps matter. A healer cant heal when cced at a crucial point. make cast times a bit longer so kicks are useful again. when was the last time someone died in arena because the healer was spell locked?
@@berndbulle5214 people still die because healers are locked, idk what game you play, try holypala for some weeks and we talk again 🤣
i dont know much, but i do know I could take a second mortgage out and bet the entire amount that every week, theres going to be ret paladin buffs, until theres zero point in playing anything else. Sub rogues rotation is a fucking meme. Dh was PERFECT in DF, now we have single target no mover build...
Arcane mage was actually fun to plat for a minute. You could build charges without spamming arcane blast. Nerf the damage, not the ganeplay.😢😢😢😢
People keep bitchin about bursty damage while in literally every other pvp game time to kill is 2-10 seconds while for some reason people insist that in WoW it should be minutes, and then they quit the game because "pvp boring, nothing dies"
BFA coming back you will see guys :D
IMHO if any era should be back its wotlk with the more secondary stats, and ofc crit 200%baseline.
And instead of the shitty vers a proper pvp stat…
Eternity Sandwich? Were you hungry when you were making this video? lol
Didn't touch victory rush or second wind that's a W in my book
@@Jacob-km4yb second wind is cool but impending victory is lame. It feels like i use some healing potion. Remove it and buff pain and gain, armor and stamina instead we are warriors we shouldnt heal big chunks of hp like a healer
@@wmwwmw9547 would renaming it to consume vial like a rogue make you feel better?
Really though, tired of hearing him complain about second wind like it's MoP ptr
@@raiden2048 armor
hell yeah brother.
The zugging shall continue until mage morale is depleted and they uninstall.
SMF is still a talent node going into TWW. This must be a joke.
Your like esam for wow
maybe if esam became a commentator
oh dear this is bad. BG blitz is bad enough with healers been immortal. If they don't introduce dampening in battlegrounds nothing will die.
arcane mage from legion first time i ever really played 3s got high rated season 1 at least for a scrub like me ever since legion it felt like every expansion was just "go fire because blizzard nerfed arcane and frost in pvp because they overperformed in the beta and never reverted or gave them any buffs or changes for the entirety of the expansion" and im hoping this isn't another expansion where i cant play arcane or frost because they over performed in beta and fire went through unfettered (blizzard always seems to love fire mage at least the last 6 years or so..) but I should probably just not be hyped for mage and just play demo like I have been. Really would rather not be forced to fire but it always leans to fire for the past 6 years. Sigh
More holy pally nerfs…. Shocking lol
I start playin if i see more and faster pvp balance if something is broken ...... so never again im sure! They need to focus on buff and nerf *% vs player 😢
Nothing says cohesion like how PvP is played and sustained healing profiles
This has been the complaint I've had since BFA. They are making pvp into Mythic+ with a focus on sustained damage instead of properly aligning burst. Ugh, this is not good.
I miss MoP pvp ngl. Most fun I’ve had in terms of pvp design.
I don't know or care for mythic+, but I am of the opposite opinion. I rather be able to kill and have the game matter throughout the whole match, not just every 2 minutes
@@EduardoCadena1 It shouldn't take 3 minutes of micromanaging a bunch of small modifiers to meaningless abilities to win a duel. I miss when an 2 hand auto attack could chunk 5-10% of your health, and nukes were like 20-25%.
@@cyanogen7582 That's BiS pvp design and I think it's not debateable.
I really enjoy sustain dmg instead of having to wait 1-2min for burst. It makes you focus more on outsmarting with abilities rather than everyone waiting for their go.
Nerfing pain and gain... lol 2% at this point just remove the talent completely it feels so insignificant. Just redesign warrior durabilty to come from armor and stamina not from impending victory. That ability makes no sense. Make it a node at least with something else im sick of people crying "if not for that ability u would have lost". We are warriors not healers... i dont want big chunks of heal give us armor back ffs plate has become a joke
Sounds like healing is going to be more of a gear check and less of a reflex timer. This is bad.
I don't like it.
I prefer the current situation of arena PVP.
I've been a healer in arena since season 2 of retail WOW.
I've mained druid and evoker.
I've had 1900 on 2v2 and solo shuffle.
90% of the times I lose I can tell what happened, what went wrong and how to prevent it from happening again.
I like the reflex timer.
Gear checking is boring.
With how easy conquest gear is to get everyone has the same gear. But as a healer I agree it is much more fun to have burst CD gameplay than constant aoe pressure gameplay which is what they are obviously aiming for in TWW.
In Season 4 of DF while the spec balance is one of the best its ever been, the gameplay is one of the worst its ever been, with several DPS specs having 50% of their damage coming from spamming 1 button to every player (garrote, corruption, vamp touch, moonfire, ignite etc).
@@Crobian a dps/hps checking based gameplay will never be balanced. Because then you have to balance it 100%. Which is impossible and has never been done. Even if it is achieved then people will look for advantages in utility. Then you'll have to balance utility 100%. Meaning everyone has the same amount of CC, mobility, buff, debuff, slow, knock back, etc. People will always look for that 1% edge over the opponent where ever that may be (gems, legendaries, etc.) and they always have. Reflex checking is the answer. Whatever gives them that 1% edge, everyone will flock to it.
I know because I will.
It's the same with PVE and PVP.
Besides, if it goes down to who goes OOM first, nightelf druids will always have the advantage.
Let us just compete who has faster hands instead of better builds/combos.
The game will be vastly better.
Massive changes? What are they doing about button bloat, rating inflation, que times, rewards, new systems, new modes?
Some button bloat has been addressed with presumably more to come like auto changing a spell to another spell if criteria is met, as for the rest of the issues 🤷♂
Enough with the "Button bloat" bs
@@DH-ht9pl Preach. Idk where this bloat bs is coming from. The pruning that started in WoD had so many people up in arms/quit and now out of no where people complaining about "button bloat" lol
Hopefully this doesn’t translate to more drawn out arena games…long dampening games are the absolute worst
I don't think the game is gonna be much different at all. I think the healing change is more likely to be bad than good as at least the oh sh*t healing moments produce some stress and excitement. Longer arena matches sound bad too which this healing change sounds like it will produce. I hope I'm wrong but I have a bad feeling TWW will be a dud expansion like BfA.
I hate to see blizzard nerfing the fun interactions like proc rates for arcane and not just tuning down the damage 😢
Just nerf the damage not the interactions ^^
Blizz always removes fun.
This is the first expansion i haven't been that excited about. I just don't think Blizzard cares enough about the casual PvP experience and it's mostly about PvE
So, you were excited about Legion, BFA and Shadowlands? You're weird.
@manthe3711 yea, I like BFA, shadowlands had a cool idea with factions, what does this have? More dwarfs? More underground? Woooow
@@bertreynolds8146trust me, if u like BFA and Shadowlands, u are kinda in a minority.
@@bertreynolds8146 Content is irrelevant. Only class design matters. BFA class design was garbage.
I dont think your are properly informed to state your opinion like that...
I actually feel like they are on a really good track with the game.
And you say they dont care about the casual PvP experience?
They literally made it more casual friendly in dragonflight, and will be even more casual friendly in the war within with solo queue rbg coming...
If they really want to improve healing, they should stop the ability of healers to keep a target bouncing between 1-5% health, as that as a dps is infuriating. Its like just die ffs 😂
So games are gonna be longer, great.
Longer doesnt mean worse (it can but i digress) just depends on the fluidity of the match and how balancing goes
Okay how is this gonna affect disc? Almost all of their healing is percentage based off of their damage. Already nerfing warlock survivability when they are the least mobile class in game. Unreal man. Mages only ones that can deal with melee again.
I main warrior and duel a alot for fun you must not know how difficult it can be to catch a good lock
@@Jacob-km4yb ye warlock is harder to catch than hunter
@@Jacob-km4yb Thats the issue, any fool can play warrior and do well with it. In order to fair well on a lock against any melee you have to be above average. Cobrak just did a video a few weeks ago where he dueled a Warrior, the Warrior made several terrible mistakes and still won after a 3 minute duel, why? Because of endless gap closers and uptime along with ridiculous self heals. Cobrak is an above average Warlock and he STILL lost, not because of skill, the Warrior was terrible, it weas because of class.
It’s funny how they demolish classes with only dps specs. They should always be towards the top of the dps meters as they have no other option😂
so, bfa eternal fights return? zzzzz i knew this expac will be zzzz
#buffretsheals
Ret has the best heals already for dps.
as a warrior main i disagree just bubble and DPS while i cry
@@p3ngi3 idk what game your are playing. We def ain’t playing the same ret tho.
@@stoneblood9864 does Ret not have bubble? Instant heals? Hand of freedom? BoS, casting heals? Anything else I left out to cry about?
@@p3ngi3 ok well if your gonna be condescending ill go ahead and explain why u have no idea wtf you are talking about.
Rets healing is the worst healing in the game for pvp. Period. Not even close. Since they were nerfed in season 1 (it was justified at the time), blizzard nerfed ret healing by a % base. Now we are in season 4 and they never buffed their healing since that nerf and of course every spec in the game got stronger over 3 seasons. they never compensated for the gearing scaling. So, for example right now flash of light (WHICH IS ON A 6 SEC CD) heals on average of about 80-110kish. Word of glory heals for about 90-120k ish. lets not forget too WOG not only costs holy power BUT ALSO COSTS MANA NOW. So put that into perspective of my ret having about 1.6 million hp rn. So each of those heals on average heals for not even 1/10th of my max hp while also making me go oom in the process. Not even taking in to consideration dampening. Doesnt sound very good does it?
Now lets talk about the random cds u mentioned that had nothing to do with healing. Freedom? dispellable by half the specs in the game. Also freedom gives 8 seconds of mobility while being on a 25 sec cd. Also take into account that freedom is on a 25 sec cd and u almost always have to pair it with steed (which is a 45 sec cd for 4 secs) so basically gets 4 secs of mobility every 45 secs. Rets mobility is honestly laughable. Now Bubble? 3.5 min cd that can still be purged. SOV? is effected by dampening. Lay on hands? only heals to 75% of max hp now and if heavily HEAVILY effected by dampening. Loh is basically useless 2 mins into an arena match. Thats why u see good rets use it early on. BoS doesnt even heal either idk why tf u said that. Like u do realize these are utilities spells of a utility spec right? Has nothing to do with heals. and finally like u said casting heals. Im gonna be honest with u man, if u see a ret hard casting flash of light, they are either new or stupid.
Im a 7x elite, current 2600xp Legend ret. I think i know what im talking about.
Rogues are down bad.
Rogues deserve this fate
Why do they keep bullying rogues 😭
Literally the class is massively imbalanced in all regards, its due for nerfs and probably even more. This is good for the health of the game.
Less rogues equals better quality pvp
@@anannoyedpanda You obviously haven't played sin in any pve setting where the entire damage window occurs once every minute and outside of that it does absolutely nothing.
I hope they deal with the 2 pump chumps,No skill required monkey classes
*cough* DH *cough*
Rets😂
i love you and your content; but very often you start off with such heavy big clickbaits...
maybe one day i will unsub due to this takig over
Remove healers, reduce damage, buff self sustain, there you go the game is fun for everyone.
Everyone?
Except for healers!
Go play Guild wars 2
Need wow 2 for something like that
@@Mentok211 Sure I'll leave you to your 30min Queue.