Is this Ryuji from Persona 5 in Persona 3 Portable?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Is this Ryuji from Persona 5 in Persona 3 Portable?
In this video I go over the theory of Boy with a Yellow Shirt in Persona 3 Portable being Ryuji Sakamoto from Persona 5 and Persona 5 Royal.
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I'm sure it's just a coincidence, but that would honestly be really cool. They could definitely do something like this in the future though
It’s canon, I asked the Amala network
Imagine if Shinya Oda becomes a major character in Persona 6/7
@@Schneeerwarmer get smoked kid
They did something like that with Yukiko in FeMC's route.
@@BakingSoda4U P3P was released after P4.
When P3 and FES released there was no P4, nor Inaba, nor trip, nor FeMC route.
When P3P released, the FeMC gave the team a chance to put some references to P4 because it was now released.
Guess we'll know in a few weeks
I've actually wondered for a while whether all the later PCs were in range of the Dark Hour's effect when they were younger. We never did find out if that was worldwide, local, or something like only the Japan time zone. Mostly I'm just thinking that if Persona 6 comes out in the next 3 years, then the new team would be the last set born under its effects, and that could make a pretty interesting arc to close out the arc of Igor's Fools
FOR REAL!?
Most likely a coincidence but it would be hilarious to imagine Ryuji going *FOR REAL?* to the persona 3 protagonist’s personas in Joker’s arsenal or Ryuji mentioning how he knew another person named Makoto as a child
Also IIRC they actually did something similar in Persona 4 where a book by one the social links in Persona 3 showed up in a Person 4 Confidant scene, IIRC it was in Kanji’s too so it looked more important and was more likely to be seen
Also they deadass fucking went to the P3 school on a field trip in the P4 Anime and played Burn My Dread as either the opening or an insert song lel
A coincidence they can easily retcon into being canon similar to MCU Peter Parker being the boy in the Iron Man mask in Iron Man 2
Definitely a coincidence, but I could see Atlus folding it into canon somehow. It doesn't really cause any problems and fans seem to love the idea. I'm gonna put it in my headcanon regardless
Or that Persona 5’s entire cast is loosely based off of Persona 2. I’d like to see someone do a video on that
nah, he would said "for real" as a child
That would be tooooooooooo mindblowing! xD
The reaching is so damn strong
the theory so powerful Atlus actually had to respond. The answer was no though.
It’s a huge coincidence that has been written into canon.
It was a unanimous, unconscious decision made by the fandom.
you forgot one of the first things they do after they put the code in is lore and characters
and there can only be so many coincidences until some become truth doomer
Everything is canon with the Amal’s network in play
@@Lonewulf321 based
@@persona2bestpersona891 based on what
@@Lonewulf321 steven and raidou
If the boi says *"FOR REAL?!"* at least once, then its definitely ryuji 😆👍
LMAO
Once is not nearly enough for that lmao
@@zacharysteele He says in the video "Check this out!" like Ryuji say in the game a lot ^^
That's a fun theory, but definitely a coincident. I doubt that someone thought: "remember that one minor side character from a social link in P3 let's turn him into a major character" while creating the characters from P5. If they were though, awesome easter egg, good job dev team.
But they kind of did the same with Yukiko from P4 on P3
@@onemoregodrejected9369 P3P got created after P4
@@itisnotVioletatall Alibaba gets referenced in P3 or P4 dance game as well. I think they might had dome drafts done early on as well of P5
@@onemoregodrejected9369 Alibaba gets referenced in P3 Dancing because P5D & P3D came out at the same time. Check out the P3 Dancing and P5 Dancing Trailers and their dates. Fuuka also got referenced in P5D. Doesn't mean much.
Agreed, but there should be more character recurrence in the series. It would be cool to see some of the previous party members become NPC’s in future games.
My first thought would be that he would have mention a giant eye that destroyed the moon but then I realized that mostly everyone would have forgotten that moment after Makoto sealed Nyx away.
I'd be cool if memories like that came back after unlocking a persona though. Wouldn't it?
@@T0k1r1 Ryuji gets out of the Metaverse after awakening to Captain Kidd and has a wild story to tell Ren
@@archivist_13
Ryuji: dude remember that one time a giant eye destroyed the moon?
Joker:
>yea
>no
>ryuji what the fuck
@@hello.9958 Each of these responses have incredibly funny implications and I love that
You had me questioning which Makoto you were referring to
Hell even his voice actor gave nod to this theory.
Which one, Japanese or English?
@@zimonzieclown1633 usually its the English ones saying whatever they want about the canon
@@zimonzieclown1633 I'd assume it's Max Mittelman, he's usually very active with his fans.
@@zimonzieclown1633 the English one.
For real?
I wouldn't be surprised if that actually was a younger ryuji sense a younger yukiko is in p3p and considering how hard p5 was delayed they probably were already working on the characters
P3P was released after P4, Yukiko was added retroactively
@@DL-nn1ws early development of P5 began in 2008, P3P was released in 2009 (JAP) so what the other guy said is possible.
@@zzzolapa It is but it is so far fetched that it’s nearly impossible unless by some miracle they had Ryuji fully or at least very well planned by then (which in nearly any scenario just isn’t realistic). Not even Catherine (created as the P5 prototype) was in any meaningful stage of development.
@@DL-nn1ws Nah, with just "cheerful" and "likes to run" you get Ryuji, there's no need to have a fully design character for just this. Also, the smile, shape of the eyes, the eyebrows, the yellow shirt... everything screams RYUJI.
You can also look at it the other way around, they made this kid first and based Ryuji's P5 desing based on it. Either way, it's still Ryuji.
EDIT: A detail I forgot is that the kid didn't even have a portrait in P3FES so why would they bother making one only for that boy, right?.
@@zzzolapa With how barebones the story must have been by 2009 (I highly doubt “Joker” was even a concrete thing back then), any similarities are purely coincidental. There probably wasn’t a “Ryuji Sakamoto”, and I find it incredibly unlikely that they got those traits from the very beginning of his development. It would take at least 3 years of foresight into the game’s development to have Ryuji planned with those traits from the very beginning. Otherwise, as you have said, those aren’t uncommon traits, so it could be anyone. That doesn’t mean it’s Ryuji.
Imagine if in persona 3 reload they rename this kid to Ryuji in dialogue. That would be so cool.
They don't, unfortunately, they just name him Ken.
@@risdio51 are serious
Probably a coincidence but whenever I see this kid now, it's my headcanon that he is Ryuji
If Persona 5 started its conceptual development as early as Persona 4's release (2008) then I can see this happening, P3P even added a portrait for the kid in 2009.
Thats not possible. They started working on catherine after p3p which means the PTs likely werent even a concept at all before p3p
@@Kyubeyisbestboy but they might have thought “we can use this kid and just make him a teenager”
@@Kyubeyisbestboy That's why I pointed out conceptual development, I believe they could have split the team to at least put up some stuff similarly to Strikers and Royal some years later, despite Omega Force's involvement in P5S it was still handled by P-Studio, which was also developing P5R. I'm still inclined to it being a coincidence though, I'm just saying.
@@Kyubeyisbestboy They started full development after Catherine in 2011. But early pre-production started in 2008 before P3 PSP. By the end of 2009 they most likely had the concepts for all characters, because characters are the most important thing in a Persona game. But the story was not set in stone.
Well, no matter if it was intended or not. As long as it fits and isn't harmful to the plot or anything, it's fine to say that it's the case.
1:26 In P5, I believe Ryuji is 16 at the start of the game and 17 by the end of the game
He turns 17 on July 3rd, his canonical birthday. So he’s 17 from around the end of the first third of the story.
@@TheRuggedEchinda ohh that makes so much sense now
It'd be cool if you could celebrate the characters birthdays
@@jcoolguy1548 Though it isn't mentioned in game, Ryuji will invite Joker to go fishing with him on his birthday, which is a cool detail
That´s pretty interesting. I think that is just a coincidence and if not, an easter egg leaving up to the players to think whatever they want. I like when they do stuff like this.
Nah, he didn't say "For real?"
Therefore he CAN'T be Ryuji (Yes, that's ALL the evidence I need)
What if he said “for real?” but also said “fuck”?
@@cantufekci23 Ryuji does say fuck once in Striker lol
@@desil30stm he also said it in the Persona 5/Royal during the "IM" phone conversation
@@justgek-orunodevola811 Wait I totally missed it
That's probably a mental line he picked up when he was older
This cannot be a coincidence. There is so much pointing to the kid being ryuji. Aside from what you explained in the video, They have VERY similar facial features, their eyebrows are identical. The kid even wears a yellow shirt, and when he says "Wooohoo check this out!"... Ryuji says it during battle if I recall correctly. If it's a coincidence, it is surely a huge one
I mean, the widow's peak, eye color and hair color pretty much debunk it, but it’s a nice theory.
@just_an_internet_explorer8038 ryuji naturally has dark hair, colors are less saturated in p3 and the yellow shirt kid has a side partbut i doubt they planned that far ahead when making a minor character 😭 def a coincidence
@emanon2774 plus anything can change between the times of the games for him
It would be amazing. FMC met Yukiko and therefore MMC meets Ryuji also in his childhood. This would be cameoception
FMC isn't canonical. She was confirmed to be alternate universe by Altus
@@CrowYaeger well Atlus is cringe
@@CrowYaeger source?
@@CrowYaeger shes canonical but an au
nothing she does takes place in the main timeline but she does have her own universe that could be expanded upon in the future if atlus was more willing
@@CrowYaegerIf we think about the persona timeline inside the megaten franchise, it seems difficult to support what is canon and what not because everything is an alternative universe. I understand that the Persona titles follows the MMC's timeline (cameo of the girl with glassea in P4 confirms this), however that doesn't mean FMC is uncanonical but as you have said an alternative character in an alternative universe that can be explored in future.
It's a coincidence.
But there's enough there that they could honestly just make it canon after the fact and most everybody would be fine with it.
Why did they completely un-ryujify him in Reload 😭
Unfortunately in Reload he is just a random child.
ATLUS has the opportunity to pull the funniest thing in Reload
According to interviews, Persona 5 and Persona 3 Portable were developed concurrently. It was called "Persona the 3rd" internally. Early on, it would've been about an older protagonist who traveled around, instead of being pinned to a high school setting.
There's a chance that kid might've been a tease for Ryuji, but there were so many massive plot alterations to Persona 5 during development that the odds of it being a coincidence are pretty solid too. A lot of the early stuff was menu design and rough character sketches, thought Ryuji and Makoto were some of the first characters "set in stone" alongside Hifumi (cuz she originally held Makoto's place for the longest time). It's interesting that they mention that Ryuji once had black hair that was bleached, as his earliest concept art had him in black, slicked back hair before it was changed.
Neither planned nor purely a coincidence. I think Ryuji’s backstory could have been originally totally different and they siezed the oppurtunity to change it by recycling a good (yet minor) character so that he could also be related to previous events somehow, if that makes sense. Speaking as an artist, it’s not really weird to sometimes want to bring an unused(not properly developed) character back to your story
The one thing that breaks the "it's gotta be a coincidence" for me is the fact that this random, inconsequential character has a fully-illustrated portrait... Whereas the "Girl in Blue Skirt" doesn't. Why one, but not the other?
I’m almost 100% certain that it’s a coincidence, but it’s still really cool how well it lines up. If the rumors of a full-on remake of P3 are true, I hope they retcon this so that it’s canon.
I wouldn't be surprised, since Yukiko was also seen in P3P, not necessarily before her debut, but still present nonetheless
They nerfed him I don’t think he even gets a portrait anymore RIP
Rip ryuji kid
Its most likely a coincidence, but wouldn't it be cool to see shinya from persona 5 return as a playable character in persona 6
Its probably just a rlly strange coincidence but if its not thats a really nice hidden details
Well both Yukiko and Vincent were in P3 so why not?
Pretty sure Vincents appearence in club escapade is non canon and was likely used to promote & tease the game catherine at the time
I actually do believe in this theory for a couple of reasons:
1) The Boy Loves Track/Running. Obviously Track is the sport Ryuji lived and breathed for before Kamoshida ruined everything, so both this Boy and Ryuji live Running/Track
2) The Boy having Black Hair. Obviously everyone knows Ryuji for having Blonde Hair, but like the video shows, The one clip from Persona 5 establishes that Ryuji was born with Black hair, and only dyed it Blonde to be rebellious and different at school. So that matches with the boy well
3) The boy is wearing a yellow shirt. Now obviously this point seems stupid, but when you think about it, not only is Ryuji’s color theme in persona 5 Yellow, he always wears a bright yellow shirt as apart of his school uniform instead of the regular dress shirt, so clearly he has a affiliation with wearing shirts that are yellow, just like how the little boy is
4) Persona 3, 4, & 5 all take place in the same world. It’s clearly been established that Persona 3 & 4 are within the same continuity due too the multiple P3 character cameos that P4 has. And while it isn’t nearly as clear that the world of Persona 5 is connected with the other two. There are some hidden Easter Eggs in the game that hint towards it. One being on the Cafe LeBlanc TV being a hint that the news is talking about an old Model/Idol from Inaba being talked about, which can only be referring to Rise from P4. Another one is that if you talk to Ryuji while wearing the P3 Gekkohan uniform, he will say that he recognizes the uniform, and even names where the school is. There are other Easter eggs as well, but those were just valid examples. So all three games are established to coincide with one and other, which means Ryuji could easily being the same boy from P3, and grew up to be in P5
5) The Dates/Age. Ryuji’s birthday is established to be in 1999, and P3 takes place in 2009, so the Little Boy in this is likely around the age of ten, the same age Ryuji would be around this time as well. P5 takes place in 2016 which was found out to be the canonical year of the game in later discoveries. So if the boy in P3 is 10 in 2009, he would most likely be in High School by 2016, and would be around the age of 16 or 17, which is exactly the age range That Ryuji is in seeing that he’s a second year in high school. So the Ryuji’s birthday, mixed with what the boys age timeline would be, perfectly lines up to make it as if they are the same person
6) Detail Similarities. Both Ryuji and the little boy both has a very eccentric smile, short brown eyebrows, attached earlobes, sharp chins, dark brown eyes, and frizzy-ish hair. so it seems as though they have some common design attributes
To me, all the evidence is there, so I think this might actually be a valid theory, and at least this shit makes more sense than the bullshit of Joker being Yu Narukami’s son that Atlus kinda actually made canon with PQ2, that shit makes no sense, but at least this does
not to mention that they gave him a portrait for this port specifically, even though:
1. he didn't have a portrait in the original game
2. he's a minor character
3. the other kid in yuko's s. link does not get a portrait
worth noting that p3p and p5 began development ~around~ the same time
It makes sense. The Persona games are often connected in subtle and interesting ways. Even more so when they backtrack with old games. Adding this into Portable would be a clever way to link them together.
For people that still doesn't remember the portrait was already on the original P3P.. the bustup/portrait even used on P3FES TrueHD TinyTweaks Mod before P3PR.
this is the proof: ruclips.net/video/F1Kd-kmRW48/видео.html
RIP ryuji theory
I’m going to say that it’s definitely Ryuji!
Coincidence. Track and Field were popular with students into sports and That kids hair is brown not black. Also Gekkoukan is well known. Especially since it's in a city and a actress of the Featherman series went there. I say Featherman cause Ryuji seems like the type to love that show
I swear if in Reload I hear Max Mittelman as Young Ryuji....
honestly, i dont think it's a coincidence since you met yukiko in p3 as femc if you choose volleyball or tennis team & go on that trip to another school in the summer, & then later she becomes a known character in p4, so it would make sense.
It’s not like this hasn’t been the first time ATLUS has gone back to older games via remake/porting and added new characters meant to foreshadow later games (I hear they did it with the remake for P2 and P3P). So it’s plausible
I should point out that Atlus has done this kind of thing before. While Yukiko does show up in P3P, that was in a segment exclusive to that version which was released after P4. However, the girl who’s the Justice social link (I’m blanking on her name) does show up in P4 when the Investigation Team go to Gekokan Academy for a field trip.
Chihiro you mean?
@@ChrisBleu ruclips.net/video/vvyP713EHV4/видео.html&ab_channel=NaughtyGaming
younger yukiko made a cameo in P3P
Also the obvious similarities in the face and their big smiles.
P3 Reload has a chance to run with the coincidence and make it a reality!
Hopefully they do it! :D
That would be pretty cool and it wouldn't be the first time they brought back a character. My only hole in the theory is that this goes to Persona Q2 Ryuji meets both protagonists FEMC and Makoto. To my knowledge, he doesn't say "hey remember me"? or "hey I remember you" you would think he would remember at least someone from his childhood? He would at least note the uniform looks familiar. I bring up PQ2 because again this is the only "other" time they met face to face and even though they lose their memories after the fact they keep their previous memories. So to add gas to the fire he vividly remembers Rise as a super-popular idol and P4 takes place 3 years after P3. So if he remembers Rise then I would say he has a pretty decent memory. So I would say it's a nice jab to P5 fans or just purely a coincidence. Or our boy is really really forgetful and just forgot which hey is a possibility but we still love him the same lol
They probably have a lot on their hands considering the dark hour and all that
I doubt Ryuji would remember “oh you’re the boyfriend of that random girl who taught me how to run when I was 10. Remember the 4 times we met but didn’t speak to each other at all?”
@@hirschmeistr6842 he would at least recognize the uniform and mention something about it
With the remake coming out soon they could easily do this as an Easter egg like how in portable we got a younger Yukiko. I wonder if Max can do a higher pitch Ryuji since all SLs (save “Maya”) are voiced in Reload.
If it wasnt for the yellow shirt, people wouldnt be talking about this lol
It's more than that. They have similar eyes and facial features. The kid subconsciously looks like a younger Ryuji.
P3 is full of details like this. There's a female NPC called Hasegawa that looks a lot like Zenkichi
Marie's stage name "Mariko Kasumi" is the names of two different P5 characters, one from Strikers and the other from Royal
There are also two Hiiragis
One in P4 and One in strikers
@@adamkampen it's Mariko Kusumi, as in Kusumi-no-Okami. It has nothing to do with Yoshizawa
Yukiko from P4 is in P3 too, well P3P but still..
Probably just an incredible coincidence but a very cool one
Okay, let's think about this critically. Persona 3 Portable (released 11.2009) has multiple "surprise cameo characters", including Vincent from "Catherine", released 02.2011 - over a year later. So, foresight was in the minds of the devs. But does the development time frame line-up for this kid to be Ryuji? *YES.* _Preparatory development (story & character designs, writing, etc.) began in 2008_ - a minimum of a *full year before P3P was released.*
Yeah, I’m going with coincidence too. It’s plausible But if It were him, I think he would’ve mentioned Yuko
yeah I am totally gonna remember the girl I bumped into 10 years ago-
@@jaegernaut1446 well the kid did know her by name and she helped the kid get good at track and field so it is most likely that he would remember Yuko.
@@jaegernaut1446 they seened to be friends at least considering he knows her name after bumping into her
@@luminaryofthestars2141 I personally forget the names of people so fast, I dont think I would find that important enough to mention it to my friend in tokyo who is a transfer student which is my age not the age of yuko.
You forgot to mention to really push your theory really further, Ryuji's Persona is "Captain Kidd". He's a pirate and Iwatodai is near to the ocean (perfectly match with his Persona) and the name of "Kidd" may be reference to the little boy.
That can't be a coincidence, I really think that boy is Ryuji and if so, Persona's devs, you are all of you a f*cking genius.
Captain Kidd isn't some original concept ATLUS made tho. He's based off a real pirate who also went the name as him (although he was also called William Kidd, which if you think about it and his 3rd tier persona it makes sense)
Hmm.. Interesting theory. Producer could just play along with our theory and say 'yes indeed' though even if we reach it out to them 😏.
You can’t say for sure unless they confirm it…but they do look very alike.
That reminds me of that one moment I was interacting with the young black-haired boy in the prison clothes that breaks into your room on a regular basis in P3P, and in the middle of that interaction I thought out of nowhere: "Wait... black hair? Prison clothes? Is that freakin' kid Joker!?" Silly, but I found it fun.
His hair is blue, but that’s also what I thought
it dark blue hair and joker wouldnt have access to prison clothes even if he miraculsy entered the velvet room as a kid and doesn't remember it the velvet room wouldn't take the form of a prision yet as that pnly occurs after he gets framed
The only thing to make this canon is that Ryuji doesn't remember running there in forth grade. It'd be cool if he said "I used to run there with so and so" so I don't think it's canon... but it's nice that the world around them is all in the same place. It'd be really cool to see older characters appear in the game outside of the spinoff series.
If they ever appear, they'll probably be older now and on their mid-30s or something
1:54 I`m here to kill your theory!
If this kid would actuyally be our Ryuji he should know about S.E.E.S thing, cuz he saw p3 protagonist and saw this bandage in his hand before. But yeah, really interesting. If i was persona dev i would do that reference in p3p remaster :D
Also ryuji woud recognize p3 protagonist in persona q2 game... I MEAN P3 PROTAGONIST WAS TALKING WITH THAT KID
I haven't played/finished p3, but didn't they all somehow lost memories of that time after the p3 ending? Like I said, I haven't played it yet, but have read some people talking about memory loss or sum shit
@@flavioionasc4947 the answer will contain spoilers- if you okay with that then continue reading if you want to finish game- there is sure great explanation in that.
They`ve lost all memories about dark hour and stuff linked to that, but not all bonds they had with p3 protagonist
counter point: The S.E.E.S. members only wore their armbands during the dark hour visits to Tartarus and during the full moon missions.
So even if the kid saw the P3 MC, he wouldn't have had his armband on him, and would have just thought he's just "some guy who attends Gekkoukan high" and nothing more.
@@LtheOriginal Cool i just noticed that detail, but now i don't why they had this bandage in first place... For who?
And try to counter my other point which i added later in comment of my comment... Bruh sounded stupid but yeah
Someone likes lurking on the Persona Reddit, there was literally a post about this yesterday.
Definitely a huge coincidence but choose to believe it's him
I have a crazy theory that P3 and P5 has connection deeper than we thought and it's the who Morgana really is. Morgana is Ryoji. Remember what Morgana look like? A black cat with blue eyes wearing yellow scarf and keep saying that he is a human and turn out to be a shadow. And who is a boy with black hair bright blue eyes and wearing yellow scarf and turn out to be a sshadow in P3? Ryoji and Ryoji is Thanatos. In P4A Elizabeth take Thanatos with her to stop Erabus from reaching to Nyx. If my theory correct this is what happen. After somehow Elizabeth success to find a power equally to the great seal and replace it then set Makoto's soul free she left Thanatos at the Velvet room nand never came back. Then fake Igor imprisoning real Igor and cut Lavenza in half before that happen she used Thanatos to created Morgana then sent off to find a Wildcard to save her master.
It's possible given Yukiko also makes a cameo of course it's more of a coincidence for Ryuji given the vast margin of years between P3P and P5 and the fact that the boy doesnt have Ryujis brown eyes.
Anything is possible. I bet when Persona 5 was in early production when trying to make the characters, maybe some of the Devs were playing Persona 3 and 4 to get an idea on how to improve 5 from the other games. They then saw the boy and probably thought “Maybe if we take this character and put it in 5, we could try to make a somewhat timeline to connect these game.”
A boy IN JAPAN with black hair who was born in '99 and was in track and field in school? Literally all Japanese 10yo boys on the track team in 2009 are Ryuji by that logic lol.
It’d be cool if that were the case. I was also thinking the same thing while replaying through P3. Head cannon: yes. Real cannon: probably not. Coincidence: maaaaaybe.
Its more like a huge coincidence, its like the theory of Sudou being the Reaper
It'd be a cool cameo if they retcon it but judging from his unused dialogues from 5, I find it unlikely.
Let's be clear portable started development in 2008~2009 period after persona 4 which is the same time frame the persona 5 started development at (that's like way early where everything is in concept phase) but the thing is the persona 5 team & the spinoffs/re-releases team were separate things but maybe just maybe they all went for a cameo thing like Vincent
Okay now my mind isn't okay
That’s it! No more internet for you (I believe this coincidence and want it to be true)
Probably a coincidence but I see no reason why it can't be retconned into cannon. If Atlus ever gets around to making that P3 remake I hope they rename the boy Ryuji.
The sprite in the boy's text boxes resemble Ryuji's in Persona 5, specifically the one where he smiles.
Perhaps the remake can retcon this to make it official
We're brushing over the very relevant and damning detail that Ryuji (naturally) has black hair while the kid very clearly does not have black hair. The kid's hair is brown. While hair colour changing subtly over time does happen (i.e.: redheads losing a slight bit of their red tint as they grow older, people getting grey hairs, etc), this doesn't explain how Ryuji's hair would go from brown to black. As cool as all the other details are, this one pretty evidently disproves it.
Am I colorblind? It doesn't look brown to me. It looks gray.
to me it seems like a colour that can be interpreted multiple ways. after all there are different tones of black hair and it can also lighten due to the sun or other things. it came across as black to me while i was watching the video so shrug
I think youre looking at it too literally since anime in general tends to exaggerate details such as black hair to be pretty much any hue as long as it’s dark. Tons of anime characters have dark blue or purple hair, but are seen as “black” in-universe, even moreso if its a dark brown color. You also need to consider the fact that translators could also translate “natural hair” as “black hair” so it’s hard to say that this detail would discredit the theory.
I stopped caring for any world building they try because they burned me once, so all I see is references and homages to things they did before. Thanks 20XX.
And Ryuji also knows that Rise once played on club Escapade, in which he is still a lil kid back then iirc. Like he knew rise that's for sure. So it is quite possibly canon that Ryuji is from around there back then.
Check Persona Q idk which one but i'm pretty sure remember those part
Those are some excellent points it might just be a huge coincidence but it's definitely fun to consider that it might be true
Persona 5 has multiple elements or callbacks to previous games, ideas borrowed from the past and used in a new way. Joker (Persona 2 also had a Joker), Ann is very similar in some aspects to Lisa Silverman from Persona 2 (as is Chie from 4), there is a new Detective Prince working on the case but this time the roles are reversed and so on. The writers probably used some of this minor material from Persona 3 to make Ryuji.
Kid doesn't say "for real?" So there is not proof
I’m going to say coincidence as Ryuji father had been abusive and left when he was younger so it’s doubtful his mother would have been able to move to Tokyo after all that when Ryuji was a kid also counter point to the hair thing is black hair is the most common hair in Japan so by that logic any kid who had black hair and loved running and was born in 1999 would be Ryuji second he mentions how he never really fit in yet this kid has a whole group with him
To be fair, it seems to imply Ryuji fit in and got along with people prior to his conflict with Kamoshida, he was also the star athlete of the school, so it's possible he was even well-liked by his peers. Maybe he never fit in because he isn't "normal" by Japanese standards as he's a lot more rebellious and outspoken. Also, he was still only in 4th grade by this point, kids at that age are more inclined to just vibe with one another.
Also, it's possible when he lived on Tatsumi Port Island, he didn't have many issues, and a lot of his issues fitting in started when he eventually moved to Tokyo. He could have then eventually befriended and met Ann as he's still in Elementary/Middle School.
I'm surprised by the number of people thinking it's a pure coincidence... honestly attention to detail is a pretty common trait in development, so even if this wasn't completely agreed upon, I would not be surprised in even the slightest to hear that Ryuji was at least conceptually based on the kid at some level. In fact I'd be surprised if he wasn't. The real question to me is if this is officially the case or just a nod that was snuck in.
It's not the same kid, the child has brown hair, not black, theory bust
1:30 they're all wearing Christmas costumes except Skull & Joker.... On the day before Halloween!
"It's just a coincidence-"
We know. We don't need 300 comments saying this. It's just a cool fan theory.
I'd like to say... This is true
Not as theory but this is really used for connecting the timeline between persona 3 and persona 5.
So they're the same world afterall
Metaverse still exist, mementos still exist even it's already destroyed
And the velvet room... It's still exist. they'll probably not appear for a few years after p5 story
I really hope they make persona 6...
Even i'll wait for... 10 years... Again....
Would also be interesting if the stuff that happened before the start of the story with the Kirijo Group where connected with the events of Persona 2, especially as far as a certain crawling chaos is concerned.
Mitsuru’s father mentioned that the Kirijo Group split from the Nanjo Group. One of the characters from P1 and P2 was named Kei Nanjo, if I remember correctly?
Considering the fact that there were a lot of references between different persona games like for example Chihiro being present in p4 and the chat between futaba and junpei in the dancing spinoff it might not be impossible
I think this is canon since Atlus likes to tease the 3, 4 & 5 games being connected like in Persona 4 where they have a class trip to Tatsumi Port Island aka the setting where Persona 3 takes place in & you even get to meet Chihiro Fushimi who is now older & more confident in herself compared to when you meet her in Persona 3 where she is extremely shy & you even get a reference to Mitsuru Kirijo who has since graduated from the school leaving the job of School Council President to her.
In Persona 5 you can have a poster of Rise supposedly after the year hiatus in Inaba & Kanji's dungeon theme plays while watching a movie. Also I am sure they said in the game that Ryuji use to be a sweet boy before Kamoshida started abusing his power on the Track team & the kid in P3 looks like he is sweet as well someone who is enthusiastic about the sport but would probably break if he was pushed to his limits by some asshole.
I seriously doubt this is a coincidence considering Persona 3 & Persona 5 have HUGE gaps in release time & development so unless the characters designers all played Persona 3, did the Yuko SL & than when making P5 they unconsciously drew someone similar to the boy but older.
I think it's just a coincidence, but the canon could always change to this being him
I mean, a young Yukiko does appear in this game if you play as FeMC at the time of the trip to Yasogami High so it wouldn't be a stretch if that kid is actually Ryuji.
thats only in femcs route and AFTER p4 release
I mean if that true then... This poor little kid is going to get his leg broken by a certain teacher..😔
If you play as a female. When you go on a trip. You meet Yukiko Amagi from persona 4
Persona could have done this
I mean the nanjo group back in persona 1 and 2 has ties with the Kirijo group
There always throwing little Easter eggs throughout the series
It's almost certainly a coincidence but I'm just gonna act like that is Ryuji because I think it's neat.
probably just a coincidence but its interesting to see how much it matches up