Fiat Ducato Motorhome Vs. Citroen C5 Estate Moderate Overlap Frontal Crash Test (Test By ADAC)
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Translated from ADAC's Article: (All video credit belongs to ADAC.)
The collision is violent: at 56 km / h each, the fully loaded motorhome and the station wagon collide head-on, slightly offset. 3.5 tons against 1700 kg. After the crash, the motor home sways violently, pushes forward, but does not fall over. The test team at the ADAC Technik Zentrum in Landsberg staged an accident that can happen during a risky overtaking maneuver on the country road. Aim of the test: How safe is a van converted into a mobile home for the occupants in a frontal accident?
For their experiment, the ADAC testers choose a Fiat Ducato-based motorhome. With almost 50 percent of the stock and 60 percent of new registrations, Fiat Chrysler (FCA) is the top dog in the industry. For a crash with a Citroen C5, a car from the upper middle class, the motorhome is loaded according to the regulations: The table in front of the double bench seat is dismantled and stowed away, along with gas bottles, luggage, dishes, parasols and camping chairs.
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The driver of the RV would have a high risk of lower leg and chest injuries.
The right front occupant would have a risk of upper leg injuries.
The left rear occupant would have a high risk of head injuries.
The right rear occupant would have a high risk of abdominal and head injuries.
From the footage it looks like the C5's body performed very well as for this kind of event with large mass difference. Certainly, it experienced large delta V but it seems that the safety frame wasn't too badly distorted. I have investigated an accodemt - a frontal, partial overlap collision between C5 estate/kombi (exactly like the one in the video) against an okder gen A4 Avant. Result - C5 driver walked away but two D.O.A. In the Audi. I was impressed by the structural rigidity of the C5 body. For this one i'd love to see the EDR downloaded. If it has an Autoliv ir Continental box there might be some interesting stuff recorded (but i guess the crash test instrumentation captured that as well).
Good job, testing team
Crap post crash footage though, I wanted to see inside the car, was the much footwell intrusion in either vehicle? Shit post crash analysis.
Wait till you see what happened to the crash dummy sitting on the toilet...
His poop will fly everywhere....
Well, that a shitty Situation I guess
No worrie´s i´m fine :)
@@VAppice Me to & I was cleaning it.
Paska homma
Wow!!! Citroen C5!!! Very safe car!!! Creative technologii.
A jak kurwa
Cant compare a van to a car, a car is meant to be safe whilst vans are meant to carry load, and most suvs are heavier than vans
the corresponding ADAC article is linked in the video discription. in short: both the fiats and the citroens passenger compartments started to deform, the van was worse and had heavy footwell intrusions, clearly not constructed to take the additional camper installations weight. heavy foot, leg and upper body injuries to the driver. the co-driver of the van was basically unharmed. the vans rear seats were not screwed to the chassis but only to the plywood construction wich desintegrated and lead to heavy, possible deadly (head) injuries for the rear occupants. the arcticle states that this is true for 9 out of 10 camper vans. the risk of toppling over is high which is a major problem for the rescuers. the gas installation was fine and the emergency valve on the bottles closed as intended. flying (glas) debris would have been a major concern for injuries. the kitchen block was not tightened enough to the chassis and moved.
I'm planning to do a diy camper build soon. Guess i'll buy a couple more screws
It won't help. Just use sturdy materials, so regular amount is ok. It will be destroyed anyway. DIY campers are problematic because no designing stuff for when something happens. Flying objects are issue, but mostly the rear seat fittings aren't enough and passengers fly with seats.
Id get plastic plates too
K E K
Bolts... buy bolts and use steel framing
Just don’t use wood, weld everything together, then bolt it to the floor, walls, and roof.
The C5 performed very well!
Good video to remind that a van full of heavy and fragile cargo should be driven carefully. It's a small home on wheels, not just a car.
1:15 that right headlight on C5 like : NO STOP ONLY FORWARD
😂
That right headlight from C5 be like:
*no cop no stop*
it goes: Weeeee =)
But I’m impressed, that car seems to be well built...
I laughed at this, it’s almost like it wasn’t connected at all, just resting in there and it’s ejected itself from the rest of the car in hopes it could survive on its own.
Bloody dangerous things, the rear seats completely collapsed. Would much rather be in the C5
Every van is really dangerous so I don’t see this as big problem by myself. Almost every van has the problem that those seats collapse…
In the end there was less intrusion into the cabin in the C5 than in the van. Apart from the A pillar, which was pushed by the van basically riding over the crash structures of the C5, but the bottom of the car, which you can tell by the Citroen's wheel not being pushed back, is fine. You can even see the left front wheel still turned after the crash, which suggests the whole crash structure of the Citroen was not too badly damaged. Wouldn't be surprised if the engine still worked. Basically Citroen did extremely well here considering it hit such a heavy vehicle and considering the vehicle was much taller and basically avoided the crash absorbing structures in the C5.
Very save car.
The problem with that is the van weights more then the C5, you could see the C5 got pushed back, and the van keep going a couple feet after the impact, and the forces in the van would be less because they came to a more gentler stop then the C5, the Citroen passengers were going forward then suddenly got pushed back, which is not good for your internal organs
The engine wouldn't work, don't write BS. It would have been pushed hard to the right and back into the firewall. You're supposition over the angle of the front wheel's also BS. There would have been more intrusion in the car, the van's a higher and heavier vehicle at the end of the day. I agree the Citroen did well.
Would like to see more Details of the C5. How did it perform against the much heavier bus? How does its interior look?
This is typical german. We test a Motorhome. Should we post details of the C5? No, Why? This is Motorhome test - not C5 test. For details of C5 we need a C5 test.
@@asterixwermutstropfen1119 but what if said person whats to know damage against a motorhome? İ guess we should crash another two brand new vehicles, and name the video c5 test for it to be appropiate
@@asterixwermutstropfen1119 name of video is "fiat ducato motorhome vs citroen c5" ... is not only "motorhome crash test"
It would indeed be very interesting to see how the C5 performed against this motorhome. I was thinking exactly the same. So for this video I say; job half done, show us the rest!!
From the video it looks like the C5 performed well (the cabin structure is still intact), while the van's cabin started to deform.
Que buen video. Prohibido los vasos de vidrios. Elementos simples como esos pueden ser mortales en un accidente. Solo usar de plástico (y cuidado que también corta) si puede ser de goma mucho mejor
Interesting video! The flying glass in the back of the motor home was a little disturbing! 😎👍
Would normally bring plastic cups, glasses and plates due to weight issues.
This is very interesting and a lot can be learned here. If I remember correctly Bailey's of Bristol who make caravans and motorhomes were the first to crash test a fully fitted out motorhomes.
For those wondering how the C5 did in the test, here's a translation of part of the test article linked in the description:
"After the crash, a picture of devastation emerges: The front section of the station wagon is badly deformed, the maximum load capacity of the passenger cell was exceeded. The driver's door is so jammed that it can only be opened with a heavy device - in an emergency this would make it much more difficult to rescue the occupants.
It doesn't look any better with a motorhome. The passenger cell has collapsed, the wheel has penetrated the footwell, the floor pan is arched, and the driver's seat is tilted backwards. The survival space for the driver has been reduced considerably. As the lower part of the steering column is pushed into the footwell, the steering wheel moves forwards and upwards.
As with a car, rescue workers would have a very difficult time with a motorhome. Here, too, the driver's door could only be opened with a heavy device. The passenger door can be unlocked, but only with great effort. The rear sliding door does not open at all, only the doors at the rear open slightly.
Even so, the risk of injury is already very high: the driver of the motorhome is particularly at risk to the head, chest, legs and feet, as is the car occupant. The evaluation of the dummy data suggests serious injuries. In the worst case, it can even lead to life-threatening injuries or irreparable damage. The risk for the motorhome co-driver is significantly lower. Mainly because the passenger compartment hardly deforms on its side.
The two rear seated passengers are exposed to a high risk of injury. Since the backrest of the driver's seat moves backwards in an extremely atypical manner and the seat console of the rear seat bends very far forward, the heads of the occupants come dangerously close to the front seat. Serious head injuries threaten here.
Also because the wooden construction under the seat collapses and the slipping of the upholstery exposes the hard tubular frame of the backrest: When it rebounds, the head of the adult dummy hits it directly on it. Serious internal injuries and bleeding can also occur because the belt hardly moves with it.
With the child, the protection provided by the well-secured child seat prevents things from turning out worse."
Very interesting crash test
I want to see a C5 hit a small SUV like a arona a juke. Or a Mokka bet that would put people off of them.
The Mokka and Trax are very safe and well built. Surely more reliable than the Citroen too
PSA..Good Car
C5 solid as a rock!!!
Punched a pretty good hole in the motorhome before it got shoved back
@@silasmcgee3647 That hole is a crumple zone, it is designed to deform like that. Notice how the van moved into the base of the windscreen of the C5. That would have badly deformed the dash and legroom in the car. Given the damage to both vehicles, I would rather be in the van!
@@Rumouruk ya ik that I literally grew up watching IIHS videos :/
Silas McGee same
@FUCK SHIT You are partially correct. The C5 hood did rise up and not invade the cabin, but the van did! Take a look at the inside of the van drivers side where the collision took place. Legs may be battered, but there is no entrapment. More than can be said for the C5. (2:32) The C5 has suffered major deformation of the A pillar and that would mean the footwell for the driver has been intruded. You can have your C5, I'd stick with the van!
Interesting, i would love to see the C5 from the inside. And further more, why use real glas instead of gimex "glas" every owner knows that! Now glas is shattered all over the place. What happened with the gasbottles?
Compared to other style motor homes, this one was outstanding for survivability. Others had the driver crushed, the passengers killed with flying objects like tabletops, etc.
Ah! That's why motorhome drivers don't go any faster than 40mph. It's because if they do, they will be killed not by the collision but by their toilet coming flying towards their head at 40mph.
This shows that the commercial vehicle chassis does not have the same standard of passenger protection as the passenger car. The injury indicators are high, especially for a collision with a much lighter car.
I would like to see more details of C5. Why they did not shown anything about C5?
It wasn't about the c5. Could have been any other car used in this test . Test was all to do with motor home,hence the multi angle and slo/mo shots pertaining to it alone.
@@MrJonniconni yes but look at right front lamp of C5. It shoot out very fast.
So if they want to see how a stationwagon performs against a motorhome they will do this test again and name it different. Very smart, those Germans from the ADAC! :-)
its very interesting, most of the fixtures flew forward, like they werent designed to decelerate, id hate to see aclass c in that case
It breaks my heart when you dream with one but have to watch it getting destroyed... :(
it's OK I watch bmw crushing videos to balance the emotion lol
Destroyed to keep people alive
Watched how unsafe it actually was.
Sacrificed for our safety.
The c5 did really well to take all that weight
I would imagine the two vehicles weigh about 4.5 tons together.
If that is indeed 56 + 56 km/h, that's a LOT of energy trying to escape in very little room right there.
I'd say for all the bulk inside, the van did very well ! And that C5 can sure throw a punch !
Just wondering how were they not able to find a Sprinter and a 3 series estate for this test given that this is ADAC... Oh maybe that's actually why :D
The C5 Estate weight is 1,7 ton. For the Ducato Motorhome - 3,5 ton...
@@PetrolHeadBrasil That weight difference... the C5 held up amazingly!
@@PetrolHeadBrasilBS 3.5 tons, 2.2 MAX
Why drivers seat backrest collaps to rear ? Did the floor was risen ?
Whiplash
Yikes! I thought the motor home was gonna tip!
Very good result for the Motorhome
1:16
The headlight: Fuck this shit I'm out
Интересный тест :)
The problem with many camper vans is that the interiors are constructed of lightweight materials to save weight. If they're heavily loaded with glassware, tinned food and other heavy objects a heavy impact is likely to cause brackets, door hinges and catches to pull loose and fill the interior with flying debris. Same reason I never put anything on my car's parcel shelf.
Very good video. It shows that you must think how to pack your car and you must fasten everything well enough.
1:08 this is a beautiful shot.
Must remember to set the GoPro to slow-mo before my next automotive accident.
That's not a motor home that a camper van .a motorhome would have come off worse
I bet a full fibre glass motor home would have been a mess,and God knows what a full size cooker does when it moves forward at 30 mph😲
@@brianiswrong what if it’s a motorhome based on a bus?
@@engineergaming4295
My point is,while the chassis might be big and strong,all the stuff inside the motor home (cooker,fridge,etc) will still be moving at 30/40/50/60mph at time of impact. Given how lightweight the shells are I can't help but wonder how little force it would take to have these items flying around the occupants (who are wearing seatbelts bolted into the strong chassis)
@@brianiswrong I don’t know but I do have a 36 foot American motorhome
@@brianiswrong i watched a 80s moterhome in a police chase and it wrecked two new cars hitting them off set on the same side after the first hit the body of the motorhome was ripped open leaveing only a bumper and sum parts of the dash but that did not stop it from crushing one more new car and still driveing off the guy inside and hes dog was fine stuff seemed to move and slide around but it seemed to stay low the moment the first car was hit the stuff went into the street granted he was driveing at over 60mph the whole time it only stopped when he hit sum trees and he was fine and ran off thinking when a big moveing abject hits a small one most of the energy gos into the small one and the stuff inside the big one dont move all that much like hitting a shopping cart at high speeds in a small car yeah it will mess the car up but not a lot of energy gos to the inside of the car
This is how the world should be.. Big nice motorhome style van.. Manual transmission.
I kinda wanted to see the van flip over but ok...
Спасибо большое. Вывод: нужен металлический каркас для мебели.
И небъющаяся посуда
Без стекла))
Nothing about the Citroén C5, not many people driving a camper, but more people in a car like the cars like the Citroén . How surviving peopeles a crash like this ?
That Is way, the glass and china should be keept in separate, izolate, well seald containere or Better replace by plastic, for safety reasons....🤔
The van continues to move forward, while the sedan moves backwards after the crash. That means lower deceleration for the van ocupants compared to the sedan, and that's all it matters!
It's just that "the sedan" is not a sedan, it's a station wagon. For the sake of accuracy...
Lower deceleration but you loose your legs when the footwell collapses. And obviously the van is heavier that's why the car moves back. Camper must be at least 3.5t
@@chrishart8548 I'd rather break my leg than break my neck. This is what would have happened to the occupants of the C5. Have no idea what people are talking about here. The C5 got destroyed!
@@jonasf4065 the passenger area was completely undamaged on the C5. the area at the front designed to absorb the impact did exactly that. In what way could the car of performed any better.
@@chrishart8548 The passenger area wasn't crumpled but the C5 went backwards during impact causing much greater G forces upon the C5 occupants. Not just increasing the chances of bones snapping, but the motion of internal organs hitting moving thrusted forward at a much greater velocity vs the van means a lot more chances of internal damage. The C5 will always go backwards against the Ducato. It's just physics. The much heavier vehicle will always win in this respect.
This is very alarming, proof that biggest doesn't always mean safest. The way the van performed war poorly, just look at how deformed the interior and driver seat becomes after the crash! I guess the culprit here would be the tall size, and weight on board. The Citroen C5 did also have a solid chassis, plus it's a passenger vehicle, so PSA automatically knows they have to be serious.
Whereas for the Ducato van, Fiat thought it's just a van.
What kind of injury do glasses do at an airbag ?
Looks like it performed well for what it was.
Except who overtakes at 56km/h? Let's make this a realistic scenario with one loose cannon overtaking at 110km/h and in the counter direction at 100km/h
Exactly. That's a real life test (unfortunately though)
Probably there is not anything left in that case
Genuinely fascinating.
Beh, on dirait excellent!! Le Ducato et la C5 tourer son tous 2 sure...Ciao
Is there footage from inside the Citroen?
What was the speed of the cars, was different?
Interesting test!
crushing the competition
C5 won!
Ok, that's a realistic crash test, but why there isn't any images about the C5 dummies ?
Smashing video, thanks.
so it seems using a caravan with a safe tow car such as a volvo xc90 would be so much safer than a motorhome.
Продается автодом на базе Fiat Ducato. Заводское исполнение, не бит, не крашен)
Just think, with the seat belt and tensioners doing there job to pull you in to the seat, with all that "debris" impacting the back of the seat it would crush your chest,
Just like in a car when a front seat passenger has a seat belt on and a rear passenger does not, the rear passenger gets flung in to the seat on impact
Not likely. Seat belts not only have locks and tensioners, but usually have force limiters to limit the maximum force they would apply to you.
what happens if speed up to 100 km? why always testing at 56 km, nobody driving at that speed.
There wouldn't be much left at that speed…
The car would carry on through the van and definitely tip it over. Car was already winning
@@bohwaz Well, I doubt it, at least with these new cars. There are crash-tests performed by NHTSA at those speeds and the cars behave fairly ok.
@@legioner9 AFAIK NHTSA NCAP tests are conducted at 56 km/h. Here is a test at 100km/h: ruclips.net/video/1TNFDeK6GLE/видео.html and the driver would have be fatally wounded at those speeds.
On voit pas aux pieds des conducteurs, dommage, mais on dirait que la Citroën scène sort pas mal...et on voit que le fourgon a failli se retourner, et ça c'est pas terrible du tout..car pour déclipser sa ceinture, entre-autres, c'est nettement moins facile
Wow thank you! I own both of these!
and me good motors
Is the motor home built of paper? Shocking!
next video c1 vs truck
Warum im Stummfilm Modus?
Il progetto Fiat Ducato è in comune con i modelli analoghi di PSA ( Peugeot Citroen )..
Esatto. Tutti costruiti alla Sevel in Abruzzo.
Some footwell intrusion expected in the Ducato as it has no hood basically, but overall the occupants are much safer than in the C5, as expected.
which won?
without the airbag , van's driver could be killed by the steering wheel. These vans need improvement for safety
Wann ein ähnlicher Test mit in Deutschland hergestellten Fahrzeugen?
Die werden furchtbar abschneiden
sadece 56 km hızla yaşanan çarpışma! sevdiklerinizden HIZla uzaklaşmayın.
citroen lepiej się zachował jak fiat
eek. there is so many things in that van that could hurt you badly.
how to easily remove a c5 headlight
Is Ducato for sale?
Dully noted: only plastic/steel cups allowed in car
mmm a german magazine paid by the companies that had abgasskandal makes a TOTALLY OBJECTIVE AND NOT BIASED review of a van of another motor company....really interesting indeed...
quite.sure that they have plenty of articles.about how safe a vw van is instead... or am i a little bit suspicious against.our friends north of the alps???
that was my dream van!!!
This c5 is fucking tank. I have it and have accident about 60kmH in the pickup truck from other lane. He was driving about 75km h I have left car norma with minor injuril. The other driver must cut out the truck. The other car was ford raptor 2015
It looks like the camper is still hooked up to site power 😆
#vanlife people from instagram often use a ceramic sink and other non light weight materials to build their dream. It could turn into a big nightmare in case of a crash.
Also the RV...not so bad. I thought it can goes worse...
Ten bus jest lekki ...jak mawiał mój dziadek jest niewyważone ...jest nie dociążony ...brak środka ciężkości wtedy by się zachowywał podczas zderzenia inaczej
1 bad thing that could’ve gotten the mother home a poor TIPPING ON ITS SIDE IMAGINE HOW MUCH DEBRIS FLEW IN THE MOTOR HOME
Interesujące 🤨
Sehr schön...
Nun bitte noch einmal mit einem Vollintegriertem Wagen
2:01 Look at the broken glass, that's so dangerous
0:42 GoPro camera saved by Ducato
Le véhicule résiste plutôt bien, les aménagements plutôt très mal. Assez révélateur du travail proposé par tous ces fabricants, bien plus intéressés par le profit que par la sécurité.
But only done at 56 km/h, not 64 as susual !
Ça craint grave, qui autorise à rouler ce type d’engin?
luckily I saw it in time...😮...Van👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻
The back seats in the camper are basically screwed onto plywood. Lucky the whole seat didn't detach and get flung, with the children, through the forward cabin. They should really be screwed to the floor of the vehicle, like the front seats. Still safer in a camper van than in a motorhome though.
The child seat, the worst wiew, OMG too scary
May name is özgün
Какая бы машина ни была, пострадает машина меньшей массы, но если маленькая скорость. Я понял эти тесты проводят для аварий во дворе, но не как не в городе и тем более не на трассе.
Тут ещё была важна оценка смещения салона. И оценка неуд. Это больше информация для тех, кто занимается переделкой.
Не много ли 56 км/ч во дворе?
Wtf? Ta výstuha predného nárazníka ???
Solar panel stayed on mind!
Ce serait intéressant de faire la même chose avec un choc latéral !
who wins ?
Why the hell, do we keep building engines in frònt of passengers. Boggles me for over 50 years now....
Not building them in the back either. But in the lower part of the bloody car. How often fo you want to hear it ?
Just saying.
No more skateboard dude XD !