Line stretch is now in the game and effects the tension bar. If you have a stretchy line then the line will help to soften the blows of the fish. On top of this if the line is stretchy, like mono, it can give you a couple more seconds of not breaking if you max out your tension bar. This may help you notice you're maxed and allow you to turn down your friction brake before something breaks on your gear. If you have a low stretch line, like braid, the tension bar movement while fighting a fish will be slightly more violent and will almost immediately break something if you max out your tension bar.
Hey, great video. i just want to add some things which might be helpful. When using a 1000m spool of line, the amount of wear is relative to the amount of line. so a 450m wears more than twice as fast as a 1000m spool. same goes for example if you loose 10m of line because of a snag. you are left with 990m and your spool would wear 1% faster than with 1000m, and so on. this is rf4's way of balancing the "line problem". so a 1000m spool can long term definitely pay of. The tension bar always represents the weakest part of your setup not the average of all parts. that's how we figured out all the mech and hook strengths you can find in several spreadsheets now. also if you hold your rod in a straight line it can't break and the next weakest part will be displayed by the tension bar. this mechanic is only useful in endgame though(very important for landing big belugas). when the bar turns yellow the pulling force is >50% of your weakest part and when turning red it is >75%. Keep up the great work, very informative for new players.
Ok that's some amazing information if it's all true. I'll have to start watching how quickly I go through a 1000m line compared to a 450m line. The straitening of the rod idea is kind of amazing too since if you think about it the tension on the rod is gone and the reel, line, and leader is taking the full force. Where did you find this amazing info?
@@midnightgamingmysticnightmare 8000 hours in rf4. the line wear got confirmed by the devs mulitple times. I'm a beluga fisher and we frequently use the straight rod technique when landing huge belugas. Here's a video of a russian friend where you can clearly see the tension bar jumping as soon as the rod bends a little bit and the next weakest part is displayed. Timestamp 33:42 ( ruclips.net/video/VM0_k52tL4I/видео.html ). The fish is already dead in this video, only thing that's left is bringing in the dead weight. His gear in this video was 80kg rod 99kg venga mech and 110kg line. You can also test it with any setup on a snag. Use for example a 20kg reel and a 40kg rod with 80kg line, force a snag and keep the reel on 29 drag and reel in the line till the drag starts rotating. Then start bending the rod and you will see that the bar changes even though the pulling force is still the same. In this setup you'll probably see the strength of the mechanism displayed. Which you could take a screenshoot of and then calculate the strength of it, since you have the 20kg drag as a reference. But as you said never use line stronger than your rod capacity. These setups are only for absolute endgame, the slightest mistake and your rod breaks in half.
So this means it's worth buying 1000m when you can afford it right? Because you get the discount for 'bulk' vs 2x 450m lines, with the same lifespan (approximately). So for any line you use on a main setup, it would be worth saving up for the largest possible spool?? Makes sense in my head. I can't see a reason not to just buy 1000m for my carp braid.
@@B.D.E. That's true but keep in mind to buy a 1000m line you're going to pay twice as much as a 450m line. So while the larger spool may last as long as two lines the cost is going to be the same as buying two lines at once. I guess in the end it comes down to your silver situation. In the end the devs didn't intentionally put this in the game at first. People complained about it and this was the solution they came up with instead of adding more coding with a line cutting situation.
Damage from Braided lines is about 1.5x higher than from Mono lines, not even a big deal since you can catch more than 1000 fish before your line guides get to 20% damage.
Yeah this is the point I try to tell people the most about. It's surprising how crazy people are about avoiding braided at all cost for really no reason at all. Most of the time braided is absolutely required to catch quite a lot of fish in the game.
Great guide! One reason you can't cut line, is that a different mechanic is in place to make up for it - as I understand what was said in the forums, having excess line will caused reduced wear on the line. I'd actually rather keep that than introducing a line cutting mechanic.
Nice vid very helpful,i just whant to ask somthing that maby alredy is answer and i dident understend,how can i find my reels mech weight?if its posible to be answer even more simple thanks!!!!
I'd like to do a video on catfish but I don't have the gear for anything big, or to demonstrate or show off. As soon as I do I'll throw out a video but it will probably be a while.
this is so mutch waste of time this video... lol... i was expect answers, but i got more questions.. cheapers braid vs most expensive whats the bite rate diff ??? another question if yo have 0.2 braided that is lets say 10kg, vs luxury braid that is 10kg at 0.15 diameter, does that affect bite rate for trouts or perch or pike or zander ? or burbot ? using 60cm fluoro carbon leader... what lenght of fluorocarbon leader to use ? is it always like 60cm and forget shorter versions ?? are shorter version usable anywhere or 60cm is just better ?
Let me answer this as simply as I can. If there was a difference in bite rate between different costing lines of the same type or lines of the same kg weight with a different diameter I would have put it in the video. Higher costing lines have a smaller diameter to get more on your reel and it's usually a higher star rating, which makes it more durable and wears less. Leaders aren't lines which is why they weren't covered. Shorter leaders have a slightly faster reaction when hooking but a slightly smaller bite rate, so they are preferred by spin fisherman. However the difference is so minimal it really doesn't matter. Longer leaders are used for bottom fishing, trolling and very skittish fish when spin fishing. The longer leader allows you to get a slightly better bite rate because the bait is further from the main line. Just a suggestion, try reading and understand a title of a video before you assume what it's about. You know what they say about assuming, it makes us both look like assholes.
Line stretch is now in the game and effects the tension bar. If you have a stretchy line then the line will help to soften the blows of the fish. On top of this if the line is stretchy, like mono, it can give you a couple more seconds of not breaking if you max out your tension bar. This may help you notice you're maxed and allow you to turn down your friction brake before something breaks on your gear. If you have a low stretch line, like braid, the tension bar movement while fighting a fish will be slightly more violent and will almost immediately break something if you max out your tension bar.
Hey, great video. i just want to add some things which might be helpful.
When using a 1000m spool of line, the amount of wear is relative to the amount of line. so a 450m wears more than twice as fast as a 1000m spool. same goes for example if you loose 10m of line because of a snag. you are left with 990m and your spool would wear 1% faster than with 1000m, and so on. this is rf4's way of balancing the "line problem". so a 1000m spool can long term definitely pay of.
The tension bar always represents the weakest part of your setup not the average of all parts. that's how we figured out all the mech and hook strengths you can find in several spreadsheets now. also if you hold your rod in a straight line it can't break and the next weakest part will be displayed by the tension bar. this mechanic is only useful in endgame though(very important for landing big belugas). when the bar turns yellow the pulling force is >50% of your weakest part and when turning red it is >75%.
Keep up the great work, very informative for new players.
Ok that's some amazing information if it's all true. I'll have to start watching how quickly I go through a 1000m line compared to a 450m line. The straitening of the rod idea is kind of amazing too since if you think about it the tension on the rod is gone and the reel, line, and leader is taking the full force. Where did you find this amazing info?
@@midnightgamingmysticnightmare 8000 hours in rf4. the line wear got confirmed by the devs mulitple times.
I'm a beluga fisher and we frequently use the straight rod technique when landing huge belugas. Here's a video of a russian friend where you can clearly see the tension bar jumping as soon as the rod bends a little bit and the next weakest part is displayed. Timestamp 33:42 ( ruclips.net/video/VM0_k52tL4I/видео.html ). The fish is already dead in this video, only thing that's left is bringing in the dead weight. His gear in this video was 80kg rod 99kg venga mech and 110kg line.
You can also test it with any setup on a snag. Use for example a 20kg reel and a 40kg rod with 80kg line, force a snag and keep the reel on 29 drag and reel in the line till the drag starts rotating. Then start bending the rod and you will see that the bar changes even though the pulling force is still the same. In this setup you'll probably see the strength of the mechanism displayed. Which you could take a screenshoot of and then calculate the strength of it, since you have the 20kg drag as a reference.
But as you said never use line stronger than your rod capacity. These setups are only for absolute endgame, the slightest mistake and your rod breaks in half.
So this means it's worth buying 1000m when you can afford it right? Because you get the discount for 'bulk' vs 2x 450m lines, with the same lifespan (approximately). So for any line you use on a main setup, it would be worth saving up for the largest possible spool??
Makes sense in my head. I can't see a reason not to just buy 1000m for my carp braid.
@@B.D.E. That's true but keep in mind to buy a 1000m line you're going to pay twice as much as a 450m line. So while the larger spool may last as long as two lines the cost is going to be the same as buying two lines at once. I guess in the end it comes down to your silver situation. In the end the devs didn't intentionally put this in the game at first. People complained about it and this was the solution they came up with instead of adding more coding with a line cutting situation.
Thank You! for going in depth of the mechanics, totally awesome
No problem!
Damage from Braided lines is about 1.5x higher than from Mono lines, not even a big deal since you can catch more than 1000 fish before your line guides get to 20% damage.
Yeah this is the point I try to tell people the most about. It's surprising how crazy people are about avoiding braided at all cost for really no reason at all. Most of the time braided is absolutely required to catch quite a lot of fish in the game.
Super informative as always Mystic! Keep em up!
Thanks, it's appreciated.
More knowledge and going.. hehehe! Another excellent video ;)
Informative and indepth as always, thank you Mystic
No, thank you!
are u IamNogo? ::DD dude u bought a venga black as ur bday gift
@@spenyss2121 Yep that me
Great guide!
One reason you can't cut line, is that a different mechanic is in place to make up for it - as I understand what was said in the forums, having excess line will caused reduced wear on the line. I'd actually rather keep that than introducing a line cutting mechanic.
Great informative content - Liked and subscribed -Great Job
Thank you I appreciate it.
i really like your videos!!
Thanks bud!
another good one
nice vids! very helpful
Nice vid very helpful,i just whant to ask somthing that maby alredy is answer and i dident understend,how can i find my reels mech weight?if its posible to be answer even more simple thanks!!!!
Please do video about cat fish gear and nice video keep it up
I'd like to do a video on catfish but I don't have the gear for anything big, or to demonstrate or show off. As soon as I do I'll throw out a video but it will probably be a while.
this is so mutch waste of time this video... lol... i was expect answers, but i got more questions.. cheapers braid vs most expensive whats the bite rate diff ??? another question if yo have 0.2 braided that is lets say 10kg, vs luxury braid that is 10kg at 0.15 diameter, does that affect bite rate for trouts or perch or pike or zander ? or burbot ? using 60cm fluoro carbon leader... what lenght of fluorocarbon leader to use ? is it always like 60cm and forget shorter versions ?? are shorter version usable anywhere or 60cm is just better ?
Let me answer this as simply as I can. If there was a difference in bite rate between different costing lines of the same type or lines of the same kg weight with a different diameter I would have put it in the video. Higher costing lines have a smaller diameter to get more on your reel and it's usually a higher star rating, which makes it more durable and wears less. Leaders aren't lines which is why they weren't covered. Shorter leaders have a slightly faster reaction when hooking but a slightly smaller bite rate, so they are preferred by spin fisherman. However the difference is so minimal it really doesn't matter. Longer leaders are used for bottom fishing, trolling and very skittish fish when spin fishing. The longer leader allows you to get a slightly better bite rate because the bait is further from the main line.
Just a suggestion, try reading and understand a title of a video before you assume what it's about. You know what they say about assuming, it makes us both look like assholes.