I have sold motorcycle tires my entire adult life for every major brand including a large number that make car tires. Not one not ever in 40 years has recommended running a car tire. I have however seen two significant instances where a car tire failed one resulted in a Gl1800 burning to the ground. The other had a bead fail during the install and it came out of the tire mounting machine all the way up into the ceiling of the shop. I have also watched these riders wobble around turns. If you are a skilled rider you will immediately feel the lack of positive handling characteristics. He thinks he can get a tire sponsor? He is much more likely to get a cease and desist letter from any auto tire company he mentioned. He may be a nice guy but he could not be more wrong.
Thank you for watching and for your comment. I would love to hear more about these two significant instances where you saw a car tire fail on a motorcycle rim, especially how it resulted in a Goldwing burning to the ground. What!?! And how much air pressure would be required for the tire to reach the ceiling of the shop. Wow, that's some force! As far as the skilled rider comment, Ryan with @FortNine said he couldn't tell the difference after 10 minutes of riding on a small adventure bike.
@AdventureswithRedbeard it is rather simple about the bike burning to the ground. The car tire delaminated and the tread came apart in a very large strip. It tore through the inner fender and took the wiring harness out resulting in an electrical short that set the bike on fire. Turns out there were no fire extinguishers on the road that day on highway 99 in California. When the owner of the bike (who was an avid Darksider) posted about it on the old website he received death threats. Insurance also denied the claim because of the car tire. If you follow the people that post tire videos on RUclips the bikes owner was best friends with one of the leading creators. The tire and wheel that hit the ceiling was at a now defunct shop called Zoom cycles in Santa Clara California. The bead will never seat properly as you admitted in your video. As l told you l have made a living selling tires for motorcycles for a long time. Almost every shop in my region buys tires from me. I have visited numerous tire factories and spoken to engineers at these companies for over 40 years. The company employees and engineers just roll their eyes when a Darksider strikes up a conversation at a rally with them. Ryan at fortnine gets a lot right on his videos but he has never engineered a tire or been a development rider. He has also made some bad statements about riding safety gear. Overall he is one of the better creators out there but he makes mistakes as well. My phone has numbers in it for engineers, test riders marketing people at numerous major tire companies as well as National champion road racers. Again this is what l do for a living. Do you really believe in the bottom line driven world of business that tire companies that build car tires and motorcycle tires would duplicate efforts? Major tire companies that do both include Dunlop, Michelin, Pirelli, Metzeler, (same ownership as Pirelli) Bridgestone, Avon, Maxxis, (Cheng Shin group) Continental and Mitas. I am sure there are some others but l can verify every single one of these brands. I think you would agree that almost every company in the motorcycle industry with a significant impact is on this list. What you are advising is two wheel Russian roulette, it is all good until it goes all wrong.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience in this space. A tire delaminating is a tire problem and unrelated to the vehicle it was on. Was that a DOT certified tire?
@AdventureswithRedbeard It is entirely related to the vehicle it was on. Of course it was a DOT car tire there are no other kind of car tires available for legal street use. Dot also has standards for motorcycle tires as do most European countries, they are not car tire standards. In Germany your bike would be impounded for having a non certified tire on it. When l rent a motorcycle there l have documentation that the tires on the machine are TUV approved for that machine. Even if they are motorcycle tires but that tire has not been certified for that machine it is illegal. You are venturing into an area where you haven't a clue. As others on here have mentioned the sidewalls are not designed for the stresses of leaning over and the contact patch moving around. Completely different stress on the tire than it is designed for. That is why motorcycle tires are completely different specifications and designs. Again you may get away with it but the consequences of a catastrophic tire failure at speed on a large heavy motorcycle will far outweigh the savings.
@@othgmark1Please explain how the motorcycle caused the car tire to delaminate. You might be surprised by how many things I do here in the US that are illegal in Germany.
@ I’ve been researching it, and you actually broke it all down which made sense. I picked up a 2016 2yrs ago. Is there a difference if you keep the standard front tire?
@@REP545 Don't swap your tires out. The sidewall on a car tire is not made to handle the loads put on it by a motorcycle, especially in corners. It makes the bike wallowy and feel like shit, and can be dangerous. Motorcycle tires are not that expensive compared to your life or some serious hospital bills.
@@REP545 I'm glad you found the video helpful. I'm not sure what you're asking. Keeping the standard front tire, the recommended motorcycle tire, will not affect the rear car tire. I went double dark, rear motorcycle tire on the front, because I saw cupping, which is an indicator the tire is not rated for the weight. Does this help?
I tried a car tire on my GL1200 and the car tire would not fit. Could not seat the car tire. I reaserched the wheels and found that for a 15" wheel the motorcycle wheel is a slightly larger diameter than the car wheel. I have read of people who have fitted a car tire on a GL1200. You need a tire that runs large. The tire I bought was small and didn't fit. Haven't given up completely but sm still using moto tires.
I haven't worked with a 15" motorcycle wheel. That certainly sounds frustrating. I've heard not all tire sizes are the same (made me think of pant sizes). I'll keep an eye out in case I find someone else who has done this. Let me know if you find the answer.
There is no right car tire for your motorcycle, and it is far less safe to mount a car tire to a bike. Don't be an idiot. If you cannot "afford" tires then you cannot afford to own a motorcycle.
Nice job RB! Information is power. Use it wisely & choose wisely.
Thank you! I grew up with the "Knowledge is power" and "knowing in half the battle!"
Good information Brother
Thanks, Brother Cowboy!
I have sold motorcycle tires my entire adult life for every major brand including a large number that make car tires. Not one not ever in 40 years has recommended running a car tire. I have however seen two significant instances where a car tire failed one resulted in a Gl1800 burning to the ground. The other had a bead fail during the install and it came out of the tire mounting machine all the way up into the ceiling of the shop. I have also watched these riders wobble around turns. If you are a skilled rider you will immediately feel the lack of positive handling characteristics. He thinks he can get a tire sponsor? He is much more likely to get a cease and desist letter from any auto tire company he mentioned. He may be a nice guy but he could not be more wrong.
Thank you for watching and for your comment.
I would love to hear more about these two significant instances where you saw a car tire fail on a motorcycle rim, especially how it resulted in a Goldwing burning to the ground. What!?! And how much air pressure would be required for the tire to reach the ceiling of the shop. Wow, that's some force!
As far as the skilled rider comment, Ryan with @FortNine said he couldn't tell the difference after 10 minutes of riding on a small adventure bike.
@AdventureswithRedbeard it is rather simple about the bike burning to the ground. The car tire delaminated and the tread came apart in a very large strip. It tore through the inner fender and took the wiring harness out resulting in an electrical short that set the bike on fire. Turns out there were no fire extinguishers on the road that day on highway 99 in California. When the owner of the bike (who was an avid Darksider) posted about it on the old website he received death threats. Insurance also denied the claim because of the car tire. If you follow the people that post tire videos on RUclips the bikes owner was best friends with one of the leading creators. The tire and wheel that hit the ceiling was at a now defunct shop called Zoom cycles in Santa Clara California. The bead will never seat properly as you admitted in your video. As l told you l have made a living selling tires for motorcycles for a long time. Almost every shop in my region buys tires from me. I have visited numerous tire factories and spoken to engineers at these companies for over 40 years. The company employees and engineers just roll their eyes when a Darksider strikes up a conversation at a rally with them. Ryan at fortnine gets a lot right on his videos but he has never engineered a tire or been a development rider. He has also made some bad statements about riding safety gear. Overall he is one of the better creators out there but he makes mistakes as well. My phone has numbers in it for engineers, test riders marketing people at numerous major tire companies as well as National champion road racers. Again this is what l do for a living. Do you really believe in the bottom line driven world of business that tire companies that build car tires and motorcycle tires would duplicate efforts? Major tire companies that do both include Dunlop, Michelin, Pirelli, Metzeler, (same ownership as Pirelli) Bridgestone, Avon, Maxxis, (Cheng Shin group) Continental and Mitas. I am sure there are some others but l can verify every single one of these brands. I think you would agree that almost every company in the motorcycle industry with a significant impact is on this list. What you are advising is two wheel Russian roulette, it is all good until it goes all wrong.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience in this space. A tire delaminating is a tire problem and unrelated to the vehicle it was on. Was that a DOT certified tire?
@AdventureswithRedbeard It is entirely related to the vehicle it was on. Of course it was a DOT car tire there are no other kind of car tires available for legal street use. Dot also has standards for motorcycle tires as do most European countries, they are not car tire standards. In Germany your bike would be impounded for having a non certified tire on it. When l rent a motorcycle there l have documentation that the tires on the machine are TUV approved for that machine. Even if they are motorcycle tires but that tire has not been certified for that machine it is illegal. You are venturing into an area where you haven't a clue. As others on here have mentioned the sidewalls are not designed for the stresses of leaning over and the contact patch moving around. Completely different stress on the tire than it is designed for. That is why motorcycle tires are completely different specifications and designs. Again you may get away with it but the consequences of a catastrophic tire failure at speed on a large heavy motorcycle will far outweigh the savings.
@@othgmark1Please explain how the motorcycle caused the car tire to delaminate.
You might be surprised by how many things I do here in the US that are illegal in Germany.
195/55-16 on Victory Vision
Thanks! I wouldn't have thought the Victory Vision and the Goldwing would use the same tire.
Will a 195/60/16 car tire rub anywhere in my 2008 goldwing
I'm not sure. That's almost half an inch larger sidewall than I have on my 2010 Goldwing. What's got you thinking about a taller tire?
Redbeard, Thanks for the info. What are you running on your front? Are you still using a rated front tire? Or are you double dark side
Thanks for asking. I am double dark. I use the Bridgestone Battlax BT46. Are you double dark, or thinking about it?
@ I’ve been researching it, and you actually broke it all down which made sense. I picked up a 2016 2yrs ago. Is there a difference if you keep the standard front tire?
@@REP545 Don't swap your tires out. The sidewall on a car tire is not made to handle the loads put on it by a motorcycle, especially in corners. It makes the bike wallowy and feel like shit, and can be dangerous. Motorcycle tires are not that expensive compared to your life or some serious hospital bills.
@@REP545 I'm glad you found the video helpful. I'm not sure what you're asking. Keeping the standard front tire, the recommended motorcycle tire, will not affect the rear car tire. I went double dark, rear motorcycle tire on the front, because I saw cupping, which is an indicator the tire is not rated for the weight. Does this help?
@@isaiah7617some of us prefer the way the car tire feels on these large bikes. Why do you think it is cost related?
I tried a car tire on my GL1200 and the car tire would not fit. Could not seat the car tire. I reaserched the wheels and found that for a 15" wheel the motorcycle wheel is a slightly larger diameter than the car wheel. I have read of people who have fitted a car tire on a GL1200. You need a tire that runs large. The tire I bought was small and didn't fit. Haven't given up completely but sm still using moto tires.
I haven't worked with a 15" motorcycle wheel. That certainly sounds frustrating. I've heard not all tire sizes are the same (made me think of pant sizes). I'll keep an eye out in case I find someone else who has done this. Let me know if you find the answer.
There is no right car tire for your motorcycle, and it is far less safe to mount a car tire to a bike. Don't be an idiot. If you cannot "afford" tires then you cannot afford to own a motorcycle.
Why do you think I cannot "afford" tires? I've mounted a few tires to my bike and have had zero safety issues.
Informative, but, there is No such word as Heighth... height.. no th at the end... it makes you sound like an idiot.
I'm glad you found the video was informative. Are you considering going to the Darkside?