@@digitalvictory8266 Its a no brainer to buy the native Zens now, I own all of them on Steam. They really stepped up the backglass images on Native they look so crisp!
I know it takes a tremendous amount of time and effort to construct these videos. I wanted to stop in and say thanks. Your VP content is always a highlight for me , especially the top releases series each month!
For my purposes, lag is gone on this pack and Addams too. Once the rest of them are updated, I'd love not to hear about this anymore. lol Also, I think the Zen digital-only tables definitely have a smaller ball, where Attack from Mars and Addams seem to have a more "regulation size" ball. But it doesn't bother me or anything.
What's up Papa Brad!!!?? Good to see ya here, buddy! Thank you for watching. And I totally agree - not gonna lie man, I think this is AT@Games best release yet.
Comparing different versions of the same table would be a very cool video to watch. I got an email regarding this pinball pack and mistook it for being the first Zen pack available on the Legends HD.
I have only played Back to the Future, which looks great, plays great, and was fun. I'll be checking out the others as work and time allow. BTW... Thoughts on Addams Family... Reduced lag= fun? Better SSF 😮?
I haven't played Addam's Family, Dale - I'm afraid I can't comment. That said, the Lag fix should CERTAINLY help, as I know it was criticized heavily. And man - I didn't even mention the Haptics and SSF on these new tables!! They're fantastic! They feel and sound GREAT!! It's a HUGE deal and deserved mention - my bad!
@digitalvictory8266 I played Addams Family, and I found it played a lot better (to me). The SSF sounded more robust. It grabbed my son and I attention right away.
These look great thanks for the showcase. I'd like to see latency measurements for the 1080p. because as a professional musician I deal with digital latency daily, I'm very sensitive to it and generally past 40ms is intolerable. I also notice it in hardcore shmups, most good ones are 1 or 2 frames of latency (33ms @60fps). Before the fix Zen were around 130-140ms, thats over 8 frames, and now its down to 95ish which is still nearly 6 frames of latency. I don't feel anything like that on the 1080p version It feels like its in the 40-50ms range. Resolution is not the issue of course, this is a Zen problem. clearly they are porting to these arm processors instead of re-coding. You see the same problems with any compatibility layer like proton. whatever middleware solution they are running to covert x86 code to these arm processors clearly has inherent latency.
Had to wait for Pinball FX versions of some tables like Addams Family, Twiglet Zone (Pun intended), Bride of Pinbot and a few others. All worth the wait but NONE for PSVR sadly 😞. Maybe they will start up again with tables for FX2VR but FX has took over. Not holding my breath!!
@@digitalvictory8266 It's worth it at the right cost - My COMPLETE setup was just short of £200.. Camera alone was £50. Dip your toes in and you'll be taking the plunge later. NOT used all the while but a nice 100" virtual screen is nice in ALL games - YES, it plays with your existing games and the TV shows a "Commentators" view when in VR games. Brilliant to take the pee out of someone that keeps failing a level.. It is worth investing in PSVR - you'll get your moneys worth in the first week... Last Guardian Demo scared the crap out of me - I'm scared of heights.. VR did NOT help... I kept trying to back up from a ledge but I wasn't moving...My legs were but view wasn't.. Scary to say the least. Trackmania has a VR mode too as does No Man's Sky. You'll find the games after you get PSVR. Just search the store for VR. Loads on offer and many are free!!
This is old news. Have had it on my PS4 Pro with PSVR for years. Had it before I upgraded to SSD. It's a great pack tho. I use it on FX2VR. I don't know what the difference is but you can't go back after PSVR version. They all seem flat after that. Mind you, Pinball FX3 and FX play better with PSVR. The world is blocked out and they are more enjoyable..
I'll see what I can do. I USED to have the Future tables (Death Star Assault, Jaws, Sonic, etc), and loved them, but now they wouldn't work for me and kept reconfiguring my screens - so I just stopped trying to play them. 😞
Ah...for me, this set is the 2000lb Elephant in the room.... I have a PS4 with VR... So this set I got with Zen Pinball FX2 VR. The amount of extra effects with each table in full 3D can't compare...I guess I'm spoilt... You just haven't lived until you've had a flyby by a time machine or a Shark swimming around you and coming out of the water
2k graphics? Disappointing would you not agree? My understanding is the game was not optimized for the processor that's in the 4K pinball machine. So they had to dumb it down to improve flipper lag with many of their games. Bummer. Keeping me from pulling the trigger on the atgames 4k pin.
Disappointing that in that I wish it were 4K, certainly. But if that is what it takes to make it run as beautifully as it does now, I'll accept that. Honestly, I've never once, since the FIX, looked down and thought, "This looks bad." I can't tell. I don't tell anybody else what to think though, I respect your feelings and thoughts on this, and YES, it is still a MISS as far as their partnership with Zen goes. That's completely fair.
I just played the real Jaws pinball machine a few weeks ago. This one by Zen IS NOT JAWS. I am not sure where they came up with that table, but nothing on it is from the real table out today.
Correct, Brian. THIS Jaws table originated back in 2017, part of the Universal Pack for Pinball FX3. MY review is of this same Universal Pack that was just released for the Legends Pinball 4K. There is no connection to the recent Stern Jaws table. They are completely unrelated.
It's not uncommon for vpins to not look the same as the identical title for physical tables. It often comes down to different companies, who has the rights, which one comes first, and who can do what with which. Or if an independent developer wants to make their own thing to let others use it for free. Which often results in multiple versions. Zen isn't obligated to make a copy of a table from another company, especially one that came out later than the one Zen came up with first.
@@AudioGuyBrianzen and the vpx community are not allowed to make virtual tables based on recently released real machines. They usually wait at least 3 years before doing so.
If you're not a member of World of Virtual Pinball Group on Facebook, definitely join!! One of the members (Jo Gandy) posted a link to the backglasses for Pinball FX and M, and they're amazing.
To me, it's the very best feature of my new table. Not sure if you watch my videos, I was really on the fence about upgrading, and that SSF kit was a HUGE surprise - I had no idea it would be so impactful. I love it. Check back a few videos and you'll see the one where I talked about getting the 4K, and the next one was my review.
@@digitalvictory8266 it was so hard to understand how the SSF could be worth it but your opinion is the sane as I am hearing everywhere ! That will cost me more ! Lol
@@petermacnab1871 Hey - like I said in my original review video, everybody has to decide for themselves, cause not everybody has the same extra cash laying around. 🙂 But IF money is not a huge factor, it's a must!
@digitalvictory8266 wagners info makes me think the "fix" was to lower the resolution to 1440p on the zen tables. Kind of misleading when the product is the 4kp.
They didn't reduce resolution to fix the lag; the scuttlebutt is that the Zen tables have always been at that resolution, and the tables from other developers (like Magic Pixel) are higher. FWIW.
@peteg475 Got it. I am not an owner but am considering it. I didn't realize the zen tables were 1440p. The system is advertised as 4k. But since the playfield is 32 inches I'm sure it still looks good. But this is not how the device is marketed.
There's nothing really wrong with AtGames hardware. Their non-Zen tables run fine with no lag. In this case there was apparently something specific with the Zen tables software that caused this specific problem when interacting with AtGames hardware. Anyway, glad it's fixed.
@@peteg475 If have Pinball FX3 on my gaming PC and on my XBox Series X, as well as all the Zachariah tables totaling over 300 tables, then I also have for my PC about 600 working Visual Pinball tables. Nearly 1,000 all together. I have never seen any flipper lag on any of them. I have a feeling those pinball consoles with Monitors for the playfield are vastly underpowered with like simple computers like Raspberry Pi's or other junk like that. IDK.
@@AudioGuyBrian I get what you're saying, but if it was just underpowered, it wouldn't be just the Zen tables that are affected. It's something specific to how the Zen tables were ported over. Who knows.
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This pack rocks! Great review of this pack, can't wait for Knight RIder, the audio on that one is so good on Zen FX. Back TO The Future is my fav.
Yes!! I may pick that up for the Legends 4K - even though I already have it on Pinball FX.
Appreciate you watching, Carlo!
@@digitalvictory8266 Its a no brainer to buy the native Zens now, I own all of them on Steam. They really stepped up the backglass images on Native they look so crisp!
I know it takes a tremendous amount of time and effort to construct these videos. I wanted to stop in and say thanks.
Your VP content is always a highlight for me , especially the top releases series each month!
Wow - thank you so much for the kind words!
I really appreciate that!
For my purposes, lag is gone on this pack and Addams too. Once the rest of them are updated, I'd love not to hear about this anymore. lol Also, I think the Zen digital-only tables definitely have a smaller ball, where Attack from Mars and Addams seem to have a more "regulation size" ball. But it doesn't bother me or anything.
Aaahhh, interesting! I'm gonna have to check that out. I have only played the others on Pinball FX.
I didn’t know these tables were available so thanks for pointing them out. I like these a lot.
This table pack for the 4k is an absolute must have. They are so much fun especially with flipper lag not being an issue here 😊
Indeed, and as I WISH i had mentioned, the haptics and SSF are outstanding!
Thank you for the bravo review!
Thank you for watching!
I love this pack! Great video!
What's up Papa Brad!!!?? Good to see ya here, buddy! Thank you for watching.
And I totally agree - not gonna lie man, I think this is AT@Games best release yet.
I still battle Jaws to this day. Tough table for me.
I haven't gotten very far on that table yet (just so dang busy), but look forward to digging in deep and posting some good scores.
Lag seems fixed to me. I think they nailed it. Super happy with the 4k.
Indeed - I'm very excited to see the fix implemented on Attack from Mars game! that's the only think holding it back!
Comparing different versions of the same table would be a very cool video to watch. I got an email regarding this pinball pack and mistook it for being the first Zen pack available on the Legends HD.
The new tables feel great, the ssf is robust. The molasses has thinned!
@@CoffeeAtJoes right on!!
I’ve seen all of these! They are great!
Great tables. Thanks
Thanks Gary! Appreciate ya hangin' out!
I have only played Back to the Future, which looks great, plays great, and was fun. I'll be checking out the others as work and time allow.
BTW... Thoughts on Addams Family... Reduced lag= fun? Better SSF 😮?
I haven't played Addam's Family, Dale - I'm afraid I can't comment.
That said, the Lag fix should CERTAINLY help, as I know it was criticized heavily.
And man - I didn't even mention the Haptics and SSF on these new tables!! They're fantastic! They feel and sound GREAT!! It's a HUGE deal and deserved mention - my bad!
@digitalvictory8266 I played Addams Family, and I found it played a lot better (to me). The SSF sounded more robust. It grabbed my son and I attention right away.
These look great thanks for the showcase.
I'd like to see latency measurements for the 1080p. because as a professional musician I deal with digital latency daily, I'm very sensitive to it and generally past 40ms is intolerable. I also notice it in hardcore shmups, most good ones are 1 or 2 frames of latency (33ms @60fps). Before the fix Zen were around 130-140ms, thats over 8 frames, and now its down to 95ish which is still nearly 6 frames of latency. I don't feel anything like that on the 1080p version It feels like its in the 40-50ms range.
Resolution is not the issue of course, this is a Zen problem. clearly they are porting to these arm processors instead of re-coding. You see the same problems with any compatibility layer like proton. whatever middleware solution they are running to covert x86 code to these arm processors clearly has inherent latency.
OK, fair enough.
That's way over my head technically, but I feel ya.
Appreciate you watching, nonetheless!
Had to wait for Pinball FX versions of some tables like Addams Family, Twiglet Zone (Pun intended), Bride of Pinbot and a few others. All worth the wait but NONE for PSVR sadly 😞. Maybe they will start up again with tables for FX2VR but FX has took over. Not holding my breath!!
I hear ya. One day I'd LOVE to dip into VR Pinball - that's definite on my wishlist.
@@digitalvictory8266 It's worth it at the right cost - My COMPLETE setup was just short of £200.. Camera alone was £50. Dip your toes in and you'll be taking the plunge later. NOT used all the while but a nice 100" virtual screen is nice in ALL games - YES, it plays with your existing games and the TV shows a "Commentators" view when in VR games. Brilliant to take the pee out of someone that keeps failing a level.. It is worth investing in PSVR - you'll get your moneys worth in the first week... Last Guardian Demo scared the crap out of me - I'm scared of heights.. VR did NOT help... I kept trying to back up from a ledge but I wasn't moving...My legs were but view wasn't.. Scary to say the least. Trackmania has a VR mode too as does No Man's Sky.
You'll find the games after you get PSVR. Just search the store for VR. Loads on offer and many are free!!
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I'm assuming they are just going to ignore the HD tables again?
I would unfortunately think so. I think they've moved on and committed to the 4K platform. 😞
The HD is getting some new tables on September 26. I think it's the Natural History 2 Pack.
@@peteg475 Excellent! Was not aware! That's good to hear.
This is old news. Have had it on my PS4 Pro with PSVR for years. Had it before I upgraded to SSD.
It's a great pack tho. I use it on FX2VR. I don't know what the difference is but you can't go back after PSVR version. They all seem flat after that. Mind you, Pinball FX3 and FX play better with PSVR. The world is blocked out and they are more enjoyable..
They play better without the floating scores too..
Would LOVE to try that!
@@davidcope4527 Did you hear me mention that in my video?
@@digitalvictory8266 I was too busy typing..SORRY.. ;-)
Please compare to the Future Pinball version
I'll see what I can do. I USED to have the Future tables (Death Star Assault, Jaws, Sonic, etc), and loved them, but now they wouldn't work for me and kept reconfiguring my screens - so I just stopped trying to play them. 😞
Ah...for me, this set is the 2000lb Elephant in the room.... I have a PS4 with VR... So this set I got with Zen Pinball FX2 VR. The amount of extra effects with each table in full 3D can't compare...I guess I'm spoilt... You just haven't lived until you've had a flyby by a time machine or a Shark swimming around you and coming out of the water
I'm jelly!!! That sounds freakin' awesome!!! Thank you for watching!
2k graphics? Disappointing would you not agree? My understanding is the game was not optimized for the processor that's in the 4K pinball machine. So they had to dumb it down to improve flipper lag with many of their games. Bummer. Keeping me from pulling the trigger on the atgames 4k pin.
Disappointing that in that I wish it were 4K, certainly.
But if that is what it takes to make it run as beautifully as it does now, I'll accept that.
Honestly, I've never once, since the FIX, looked down and thought, "This looks bad." I can't tell.
I don't tell anybody else what to think though, I respect your feelings and thoughts on this, and YES, it is still a MISS as far as their partnership with Zen goes. That's completely fair.
I just played the real Jaws pinball machine a few weeks ago. This one by Zen IS NOT JAWS. I am not sure where they came up with that table, but nothing on it is from the real table out today.
Correct, Brian. THIS Jaws table originated back in 2017, part of the Universal Pack for Pinball FX3.
MY review is of this same Universal Pack that was just released for the Legends Pinball 4K.
There is no connection to the recent Stern Jaws table. They are completely unrelated.
It's not uncommon for vpins to not look the same as the identical title for physical tables. It often comes down to different companies, who has the rights, which one comes first, and who can do what with which. Or if an independent developer wants to make their own thing to let others use it for free. Which often results in multiple versions. Zen isn't obligated to make a copy of a table from another company, especially one that came out later than the one Zen came up with first.
@@peteg475 For sure. I am waiting for a visual pinball version of the new 2024 Jaws table. I am sure someone is working on it.
@@AudioGuyBrianzen and the vpx community are not allowed to make virtual tables based on recently released real machines. They usually wait at least 3 years before doing so.
Do you have a link to the backglasses for pinball fx and pinball m?
If you're not a member of World of Virtual Pinball Group on Facebook, definitely join!! One of the members (Jo Gandy) posted a link to the backglasses for Pinball FX and M, and they're amazing.
I’m asking around since I will be upgrading from HD to 4K . It’s 2K plus 550 for the SSF . Is the SSF worth it ?
To me, it's the very best feature of my new table.
Not sure if you watch my videos, I was really on the fence about upgrading, and that SSF kit was a HUGE surprise - I had no idea it would be so impactful. I love it.
Check back a few videos and you'll see the one where I talked about getting the 4K, and the next one was my review.
@@digitalvictory8266 that seems to be the consensus. I never thought of it with my HD.
@@digitalvictory8266 I will check it out !
@@digitalvictory8266 it was so hard to understand how the SSF could be worth it but your opinion is the sane as I am hearing everywhere ! That will cost me more ! Lol
@@petermacnab1871 Hey - like I said in my original review video, everybody has to decide for themselves, cause not everybody has the same extra cash laying around. 🙂
But IF money is not a huge factor, it's a must!
Are these zen tables running at 4k or 1440p? Wagner's page on the latency improvement shows the resolution at 1440p.
Couldn't tell ya!
Honestly my eyes aren't good enough to notice the difference, and I aint countin' no pixels! LOL
Looks great, though.
@digitalvictory8266 wagners info makes me think the "fix" was to lower the resolution to 1440p on the zen tables. Kind of misleading when the product is the 4kp.
@@MikeS-qk6gd OK!
They didn't reduce resolution to fix the lag; the scuttlebutt is that the Zen tables have always been at that resolution, and the tables from other developers (like Magic Pixel) are higher. FWIW.
@peteg475 Got it. I am not an owner but am considering it. I didn't realize the zen tables were 1440p. The system is advertised as 4k. But since the playfield is 32 inches I'm sure it still looks good. But this is not how the device is marketed.
Lag is from a crap PC driving the game. IF you get a good high-power PC you will NOT see any lag in pinball games for sure.
There's nothing really wrong with AtGames hardware. Their non-Zen tables run fine with no lag. In this case there was apparently something specific with the Zen tables software that caused this specific problem when interacting with AtGames hardware. Anyway, glad it's fixed.
@@peteg475 If have Pinball FX3 on my gaming PC and on my XBox Series X, as well as all the Zachariah tables totaling over 300 tables, then I also have for my PC about 600 working Visual Pinball tables. Nearly 1,000 all together. I have never seen any flipper lag on any of them. I have a feeling those pinball consoles with Monitors for the playfield are vastly underpowered with like simple computers like Raspberry Pi's or other junk like that.
IDK.
@@AudioGuyBrian I get what you're saying, but if it was just underpowered, it wouldn't be just the Zen tables that are affected. It's something specific to how the Zen tables were ported over. Who knows.
The back to the Future table makes absolutely no sense to me, it has 0 flow.