Harada personally nerf Devil Jin after he saw that I reached Ganyu some days ago and he feared that I can become world champion of Tekken in like a week, he's really scared, trust me
@rurounijay7100 Most would disagree with you. They nerfed him into the ground. It wasn't until semi-recently to where he's actually in a decent state. It was more like we just didn't know how to play the game, similar to how it is with Devil Jin. We're figuring out the game in early state. I can't think of a single thing Goku black had that was 'busted' at the games launch and after.
@@PrimordialKrishnathere is difference between FGs and tekken. Since tekken is the only FG i play. Doesnt mean i like FGs in general. And im sure that is the same for most people
Tekken Devs balancing in Tekken 8 is a bit too reactionary to online comments rather than tournaments. I think they should take the knife to characters who are consistently top 5 like Feng Dragunov Lilli Reina Shaheen Nina so that they aren't. I don't think even at his peak psycho crusher DJ was consistently top 8 in tournaments or online same with Jin. Once you start catering to twitter it never ends.
My view from the beginning is that the developers should have waited some time before they started making serious balancing decisions. People always overreact to tools and characters when a new game comes out because they just aren’t familiar with the game. Metas take many years to develop and while obviously you shouldn’t wait that long to make changes, I’d hope Bamco would at least wait a few months, let an early meta settle and understand what characters and tools actually needed changing before making big changes (outside of bug fixes which Tekken 8 did need a lot of to be fair). They did not take that route and instead, very quickly balance the game many times around online complaints. Obviously, there were times where those changes were justified but there have also been a lot of bizarre and unneeded changes because of it. That’s just my take on the matter though and I’m sure people will disagree with it.
Sooo accurate. Honestly the online tekken community can be so whiny, you can't base every dev decision based on what people say because no matter what they do, a large group of players will still complain.
as far as get it, they were talking about big patches like 1.05. There is no way there would be absolutely 0 adjustments if 3 remaing dlc would be beyong broken or absolutely unplayable. might as well dj can be looked at
I feel more bad for Qudans dude still uses him when competing and suffers because no matter what he does he’ll just get beaten out of most situations, but also my respect for him just goes above and beyond cause he still mains him as a character loyalist. That’s mad respect to do that.
@@wyndland2909 he would play Kaz and Bryan for fun but in tournaments im pretty sure he'll stay with Devil Jin. The Man is a Legend with this Character.
I'm not a DJ user, but it sucks when devs nerf characters that take a lot of time, patience, and practice to optimize. I think people should be rewarded for putting in that kind of work, especially when they become consistent with it. Meanwhile I'm over here doing the world's easiest Feng combos. "Oh no I have to delay the 4 in ff 3, 4!"
I think it’s almost funny that they had to create Devil Jin because they deleted the character identity of Jin, and now they decided to completely overhaul him again in Tekken 8 for the worse
@@grph1t3z Yes, but it's more than "ooh he isnt hard xD but I am 24/7 xD lmao". In T7, just frame moves have different properties than their "normal" variants. Some combos are improbable or downright impossible without JF inputs. By homogenizing the two, you lose skill expression AND you lose the pimp status of pulling off a difficult combo. And of course, Jin isn't the only one or the first to suffer from this T8 change as it is universal.
@@RizzyGyattwdym? He still has hard ewhf reliant combos, and changing his whf to launch was a good change Imo the skill expression wasn't lost in execution, but in his game plan now being linear bs gimmick offense instead of calculated mix of defense and offense
@@yellowscarlightningscream8347i mean based on the last win rate survey results (mainman also covered this discussion), the actual pub stomper characters are zafina, bears, victor, alisa. Dvj win rate was average at best
@@TheXellNot really, he has a middle of the road winrate, mostly because if people mash on his face he doesn't get to throw them, and low ranked players love mashing
Honestly, it’s hard to believe they don’t have any agenda when seeing certain nerfs. It was the same thing in Tekken 7. After Qudans went back to back to TWT Grand Finals, they nerfed the character to death and it was then nerf after nerf after nerf. Same goes for Kazumi. It’s like they have character they really don’t want to see succeed at the highest level. Devil Jin being one of them. They don’t want you to play him
We need to let bandai know that DVJ needs to get some buffs to be playable in online. This is just ridiculous how much they went out their way to nerf him into the ground
Devil Jin is top 5 difficulty character now. He requires you to know how to IWS2. If you can't do that then you might as well pick another Mishima. It's that big of a hit to your gameplan.
😂😂I was shocked when he said they overnerfed the heat smash while he was the same person that complaining about both the range and tracking continuously
Bro fr... there was always noobs and bitchers but with the amount of new players now and the fact that they float you to damn near red, there are WAAAAAAYYYYY too many new noobs complaining about everything and they will seriously be like "bruh I'm red, I'm not a scrub i know what I'm talking about." 💀💀💀 i ain't no old legacy fan but I can't with these new players and their takes online. 🤦♂️
at this point they are just taking the piss because now they have realized how stupid bandai namco is in terms of reacting to feedback. even the tiniest of feedback makes them wanna nerf something to the ground
Before the latest patch i got my devil jin to mighty ruler. I picked him up again first time in a while today. but i nearly lost the rank today, didnt expect all his nerfs combined to be this bad man😮💨 (dont worry im not a devil jin main so overall im cool)
I feel like the devs should be actively playing the game to understand how chsracters need to be balanced because although Devil Jin can be annoying to fight sometimes they didnt have to gut him like that. Hes a cool character
This is the Tekken community’s fault. A bunch of Garyu’s complaining left and right about how ‘OP’ Devil Jin is. He was not OP even on Tekken 8’s release.
The fact tekken team are insistent on things having the same properties and utility for no reason really doesn't help. I get signature archetype moves being similar... But a paw isn't really a signature move like electrics, if we go by that then can can on jun/asuka(low, high) should be the same as jins(mid, mid). Give Dvj the dangerous demon paw, make his uf heat engager not heat engage, they already nerfed the heck out of stage stuff and his heat give his gate the damage. Tekken team needs to stop being weird.
@BakedConjurer5 he was complaining so hard. You'd think DJ was near unbeatable. When he should have stated DJ was a little over tuned and needs to be toned down in heat a little bit.
Only reason I still main Devil Jin is because of loyalty, on my way to tekken god but the more I play this character the more I hate him because I have to use 110% of my brain to win
Yea, the sad part is that due to state of devil Jin I may just stop playing tekken 8 because I played him for the nostalgia of Jin from tekken 3. But it’s just whatever I guess we cannot enjoy a character we find cool.
Yea i pretty much have been playing Tekken 8 weekly with dj as my one only main. With this patch, definitely gonna be taking a break from this fuck fest. Slow ass Uf2 being our only viable option for ppl who love to SS, yea tf out of here harada lol.
harada js rlly dont want the villains to win, im seeing a trend hes doing. imagine a 16 yr who does a grasshopper stance is better than some horned winged devil who literally wiped the whole humanity with js a laser from his character ending. great stuff harada totally 👏👏👏👏👏👏
but dvj isnt a villain, kazuya is.. Dvj is just an untamed child thats why he looks evil and tempts jin but once you review the tk8 story mode, dvj was all along protecting jin what you saw in his character episode, thats what happens if jin didnt tame the devil and gave him the body control
@@MidnightTrain095 bears, especially panda, were huge dmg dealers in t7, let alone great mixups tf lol?? They've always maintained fat dmg in all of tekkens. Now if you're completely dogwater at them, that's a different story lmao
I guess its Devil Jin's turn, normal Jin was busted strong in T3 & T4 so he was nerfed into oblivion in T5. I wish they would actually try more to "balance" a character with a few good moves instead of nerfing them into a useless husk.
it was a bit overtuned with the tracking i agree. the range was kind of the whole point of it but like come on they didnt need to nerf his poking and any move that isnt a high
Its really fair that both jin and kazuya's demon paws still have decent pushback. Meanwhile the totally necessary nerf to dj's leaves them point blank 👍
I got devil Jin to fujin and it felt like mashing my head into a brick wall, luckily my boy kazuya seems a lot more consistent now, so I’m excited to try out my tekken 7 main 🤠
Imagine spending 40 hours just trying to do a frame perfect electric just to only get ot 25% of the time. Or wavedashing but still not fast enough and its absolute crap. And now learning a wave ws2 and ws3 cancells which are different and have different utility while being super hard to master. All that for a King throwing a low from the other side of the screem that hits 60 dmg on counter.
@@Gabi24492 Being hard isn't the problem, it's the output he gives. Kazuya is just as hard as he has to learn the same things, and his output is amazing now while Devil Jin gets fuck all most of the time. DvJ is a shadow of his former self.
this is not just a devil jin problem, but a prime example of the balance team's incompetence, they just cant have a middle ground either they buff you into broken tier, or they nerf you to the deepest part of hell like you are satan, but people like mainman are part of the problem he first said law is B tier because he got so much nerfs coming from tekken 7, but after he gets bodied by competant players he now all of a sudden label law a broken S+ tier, lmao
Its more so why would you pick him when the game has jin or kaz. Jin has his former all around-ness while kaz has his former mishima and vortexness, specially when they gave him a 5050. Now with an easy mode high damaging 15f punisher, devil jin is really only picked for the loyalists, otherwise youd rather go jin or kaz
@hatto yeah I fear I am a loyalist at least until armor king drops but really I find it so difficult to fight the top tiers with him which is mainly why I feel that he instead good even though i know that's not the case
@@hattoRyu Ken Akuma type shi. Style points, combo routes, uniqueness, maybe even nostalgia. I guess struggling with a character like Devil Jin forces us to become better.
@@altertheunknownKing has a normal wavedash now, I'm not sure what that means for AK but, you can play King like AK now and wavedash to reallign and still chase steppers with throws, it's beautiful
@@Carlo-j9zwhen it comes to elite play among elite players, the easy to use or high win rate characters will win nearly 99% of the time with consistency. Tournaments have been won though with underdog characters under elite players but its not repeatable.
The character has been trash since t7 and tmm you are one of the reasons devil Jin has had a target on him for the longest time. It’s really unfortunate that a fellow Mishima main is the reason us devil Jin mains have to suffer this much, especially since we’ve been trying to master this character for decades. But oh well, that’s what the tekken community has been doing for a while now.
Even Devil Jin's high moves are lackluster, his jab has no range, his shackle(u+1) is a really bad move where if it misses, it has so many recovery frames that the opponent can run all the screen into DVJ and launch him, and even on block DVJ has to commit into something risk, MC 2 is -13 and any other option he has in MC the opponent can just jab him out of it and get a float or the opponent can side step it, which gives him an even better punish.
@@sand__wich99 No. MC 2 is -13 and MC 2,2 is -14. And I'll say more, MC 2 on hit and on CH is -5! The devs couldnt even give us some plus frames in this move on hit, they really want us to gamble our life in every move. Also, even after ws+1,2 ON HIT the opponent still can side step or jab MC 1, so we're back again into our MC gambling with the odds against us. The character is just broken in the bad meaning of the word.
Dvj problem is that his strings doesn't have any low attacks. You can basically just stand blocking his strings cause his lows are so weak, so there's no need to be afraid of his lows. Plus if you learn his setups then he's useless. His only low that can go into a string combo is super risky.
The craziest part about Dvj downfall is that he was a menace for most of his Tekken history. If you include T3 and TTT1 Jin, he’s been top tier or at least high tier for 5 games straight and top tier for most of T7 lifespan. He was Tekken’s own Akuma historically and the one character you can count on being strong.
He was only good in t5. T6 he was average at best. Ttt2 maybe you could argue he’s top 10. But t7 he was trash throughout, people just didn’t understand the game until much later.
He was a "Souls Boss" at release 🤡 Who could have thought those premature judgements could have led to him getting overnerfed. Turns out those people were absolutely wrong. They just didnt realize the flaws of the new stuff and downplayed/ignored all nerfs to his previous fundamental tools. Thank you pro players and content creators for your idiotic takes on DVJ, a character you dont even main, but claimed he was op. PS: I will keep maining him, since there is nobody who comes close to his edgy design and the gameplay greatness he once had. At some point the devs will realize their mistakes in the DVJ treatment.
I am a DVJ player (he's my alt). Thank you for feeling bad for me. To make me feel better, can you please play Lars while you speak Swedish? Thank you 🥺
Qudans: You'd dare to stop me ?! Bandai Namco: We're just fine tuning your main character of choice into line with others. Qudans: You will regret crossing me.
As someone who was didnt play devil jin in t7 and plays him right now at this point bro having stage 4 arthritis they keep nerfing for no reason bamco was on bs
He got nerfed on every single patch, and got no real buff, just very miniscule bug fixes on either useless moves, or moves that no one uses in the situations of the fixes like the axe kick, so it's kinda like 5 nerfs in a row, lost his hellsweep (on blue ranks and higher no one even cares about ducking cause he has no good lows and even if you get hellsweeped you lose just 45 at best), his smash is useless, and despite the animation it's actually one of the slowest smashes in the game, the ferrari tech is gone despite being quite risky, his demon paw despite being the worst out of all mishimas was still his best mid, or more like his more decent mid, and despite the nerfs it's still the most convenient to use which says a lot, his mc 1 lost the tiny tracking it had in the start and that doesn't help much either, and now he is so repetitive, with all those nerfs, many old combos are either gone or useless damage wise, he already had very few moves in comparison to other characters, and the stuff that still works is so few even if you win, you only win the first match, cause they already figured you out, I've became basically full defense player with dvj, low parrying and rehersal, cause I get literally figured out in just a few rounds, so I gotta go at it slow and hope I win by time up rather than ko's, and even in defensive it's kinda repetitive, only got devil twister, a rehersal and low parry, dvj also for some reason has only one power crush aside his rehersal, a weaker version of jin's d1, and it's not that good either, very slow and unsafe, and with his lackluster lows, if I need to win by one hit, the best low I have is 10 hit combo, literally his best low is a like the 4th hit of a 10hit sample combo, cause his three ring alaya has an s.low so you don't even have to duck to block it, and he lost his three ring circus too in tekken 8. I hope he gets at least his range back on the smash, not because it's good, but because his smash now looks visually embarassing, and maybe getting back his old df2, like why did they give it to jin, and why did he need another move that gets him to morning crow, he literally has already 5 other ways to go into morning crow, no wonder why it's so gimmicky, he has f3 to get into morning crow, ws3 to get into morning crow in combos, the chain that also guarantees a certain mc 2 2 on hit, his smash when blocked and devil lance to make a decent 50/50, his df2 now is worthless it doesn't even get you a certain mc 2 2 unless it's in counterhit, why not leave his old one so he can have an extra way to get into wavedash and get an ewgf or anything else, it wouldn't even be that good since all of his moves in wavedash are slow except ewgf and maybe his down forward 3. Also if they actually wanted to make him more gimmicky, why not leave his old samsara?
let us not forget, mainman complained 24/7 with devil jin in tekken 7 and what did bamco do, nerfed him to the hell hole in season 4. now that nerfing is still persistent in tekken 8 but the char usage data shows he is below the most used lol
Complained a lot about it too in Tekken 8. His psychocrusher rant, which is legit broken but maybe that's why he had that, Jun still had that long range Heat attack.
The lesson is you shouldn't be b****ing or asking for nerfs too much on launch because people even pros legit don't know wtf they are doing. Manon in SF6 had a similarly period where the first month or two everyone was mad about her medal damage but by the end of the year she was bottom tier. Thank god she didn't get panic nerfed
Fr literally what I was saying now these poeple complaining about characters they dont even study like I understand the heatsmash all needs is to be side steppable his range was his character
Devil Jin is one of those characters that definitively deserves to be S tier. He is a literal boss character, and his combos look really flashy and cool, in my opinion. And just like Kazuya, he is very difficult to play and always has moves that have high risk, high reward. Devil Jin doesn't really have those capabilities, and that saddens me. Hope he will get the same treatment like Kazuya did in the next patch. Also, the fact that Jin is way stronger than his Devil form makes no sense. 🤦♂️
I think they meant to make this character keep out counter attack character so the only buffs he need is heat smash range crow 22 should be -12 on block and b1+3 more armour and unblockable grab should be used even without heat
I'm playing only devil Jin currently in Fujin and I don't feel him weak but a little bit frustrating to play because the amount of execution he requires and yes as tmm said you don't get rewarded that much I'd like to see u/f 4 into B4 back because as strong it was in Tekken 7 in Tekken 8 devil Jin lost one of his main vortex setup with the flash punch (1 1 2) push the enemy so far away and currently u don't wanna use uf4 at all because u can be clipped into a combo very easily especially if the opponent activates heat
The fan base complain to much about any game because of how people play the character, I’ve noticed people lose and cry then complain about the character. I mean learn how to lose and win maybe it’ll be more fun 🤩
Honestly, if they just increase the pushback on ff2 slightly, make the hitbox of his jab slightly bigger or further, i’d be pretty happy. The heat smash is still an amazing whiff punish tool, his demon steel pedal is a decent spacing tool. Maybe make uf4 a bit better?
See, I was thinking about and going back to playing as Devil Jin as I did in Tekken 7, but I never had a chance to play him after the launch released, because I never touched him til they cursed him with the balancing patch notes and made me stick to my golden boy Jin Kazama.
After the much deserved nerf for UF4 into B4 in Tekken 7, it feels the devs kinda just hated this character. Wasnt performing super well in tournament, but nerfed his UF4 to not knockdown and also nerfed his wall damage at the same time. Keeping up the trend in tekken 8, he gets nerfef without a ton of results. I dont umderstand the amount of nerfs this character gets when his tournament results dont really back it up.
They need to have a better process of figuring out who ACTUALLY needs nerfing, listening to hard stuck Garyu's about who needs nerfs just because they cry the loudest and the most, really hurts the game
yeah i was enjoying playing devil jin recently bc i had finally learned my wave dashes WITH dj. sucks that he got nerfed and hes practically useless against the top tiers. i couldn’t even win a set against a bryan player as dj and i main bryan😭🙏
Harada personally nerf Devil Jin after he saw that I reached Ganyu some days ago and he feared that I can become world champion of Tekken in like a week, he's really scared, trust me
I believe you
I dead ass believe this
Wow, you're so famous. Can I get an autograph?
Ayo chill😂
Ngl I feel the same way
Every fighting game has a devil jin, where for some reason the devs think the character is way stronger than it actually is
Zato in Guilty Gear Strive got done even harder than dvj
Yes, that was Goku Black in DBFZ
@@superkakorotgoku black was busted at first
@@Aldrenean who cares about Strive other than Str🤮vers
@rurounijay7100 Most would disagree with you. They nerfed him into the ground. It wasn't until semi-recently to where he's actually in a decent state. It was more like we just didn't know how to play the game, similar to how it is with Devil Jin. We're figuring out the game in early state. I can't think of a single thing Goku black had that was 'busted' at the games launch and after.
Its painful, but man dvj is just so cool. I can't bring myself to give him up
That’s the spirit 💪🏾
Never giveup
just play the char you love and enjoy the game.
momo's dvj has been wiping tmm's kazuya.
I respect your ambition man, I just hope you find joy in the wins you accomplish. You deserve it for your efforts. Screw anyone who thinks otherwise.
Same here, but man the frustration from losing to players that know how to use their character efficiently will definitely pile up.
Sad state of affairs when the fucking bears are much better than Devil Jin lol. I remember how strong bro was in Tekken 5 DR like it was yesterday.
Didn't know you played Tekken
Dude I love your berserk method. No idea you played FGs
@@PrimordialKrishnathere is difference between FGs and tekken. Since tekken is the only FG i play. Doesnt mean i like FGs in general. And im sure that is the same for most people
@gingfreecss3467 Same. Only fighting game I play is yekken.
Are you saying Kuma is a better Mishima then Devil Jin?😂
I wanna see in Tekken 8 Season 2 Bear Wavedash on Kuma
Tekken Devs balancing in Tekken 8 is a bit too reactionary to online comments rather than tournaments. I think they should take the knife to characters who are consistently top 5 like Feng Dragunov Lilli Reina Shaheen Nina so that they aren't. I don't think even at his peak psycho crusher DJ was consistently top 8 in tournaments or online same with Jin. Once you start catering to twitter it never ends.
Harada and Murray need to gtfo Twitter fr
And it's not only reactionary, it's delayed reactionary. Like they balance according to people's opinions from 3 months ago.
My view from the beginning is that the developers should have waited some time before they started making serious balancing decisions. People always overreact to tools and characters when a new game comes out because they just aren’t familiar with the game. Metas take many years to develop and while obviously you shouldn’t wait that long to make changes, I’d hope Bamco would at least wait a few months, let an early meta settle and understand what characters and tools actually needed changing before making big changes (outside of bug fixes which Tekken 8 did need a lot of to be fair).
They did not take that route and instead, very quickly balance the game many times around online complaints. Obviously, there were times where those changes were justified but there have also been a lot of bizarre and unneeded changes because of it. That’s just my take on the matter though and I’m sure people will disagree with it.
Sooo accurate. Honestly the online tekken community can be so whiny, you can't base every dev decision based on what people say because no matter what they do, a large group of players will still complain.
Fucking scrub complaints! They should gtfo from twitter for real
The worst part is we are stuck with this for 6 months
We're stuck with this for "AT LEAST" 6 months
Garanted buff
as far as get it, they were talking about big patches like 1.05. There is no way there would be absolutely 0 adjustments if 3 remaing dlc would be beyong broken or absolutely unplayable. might as well dj can be looked at
The nerfs make playing him feel soo stressful in some matchups. I’m done playing ranked for a while now.
Fuck it, we’re basically wearing 1000lb ankle weights like rock lee until next update 😂
As a devil Jin main I can confirm that this character has had a great fall from grace
Considering it's *Devil* Jin, didn't he already have one?
Same here
But his combos are still the best looking in the game
They clipped my main's wings. Unforgivable!
@@evilDevilJin101just like the Soul Reaver 😢
I feel more bad for Qudans dude still uses him when competing and suffers because no matter what he does he’ll just get beaten out of most situations, but also my respect for him just goes above and beyond cause he still mains him as a character loyalist. That’s mad respect to do that.
I love him for making a statement by being a true loyalist, but I wouldnt be surprised if he dropped it in tournamets.
@@wyndland2909 he would play Kaz and Bryan for fun but in tournaments im pretty sure he'll stay with Devil Jin. The Man is a Legend with this Character.
Getting angelified then cleansed in jin's body is applied in game
Angelified 😂 I'm stealing that
The nerfs are lore accurate bro
Thank you for puting it out there for everyone that plays DJ. I'm a Kazuya main, but I hope they fix him.
Yeah im Kazuya main too i enjoyed to play Devil Jin in later games, but is a shame what Harada is doing with The character
Proud dj main here. My man got gutted
Imagine unironically typing this lmfao. TMM viewers smh
sad times
Same here. They nerfed him for no reason.
I'm not a DJ user, but it sucks when devs nerf characters that take a lot of time, patience, and practice to optimize. I think people should be rewarded for putting in that kind of work, especially when they become consistent with it. Meanwhile I'm over here doing the world's easiest Feng combos. "Oh no I have to delay the 4 in ff 3, 4!"
DJ actually had difficult, fun combos in T6 and for some reason they made them like the retarded red-headed stepchild in T8.
I think it’s almost funny that they had to create Devil Jin because they deleted the character identity of Jin, and now they decided to completely overhaul him again in Tekken 8 for the worse
It's actually insane how much they dumbed jin down. Disappointing tbh
@@Mxne. What makes it worse is that it wasn't even like it gradually happened, they just literally went from 100 to 0 with him from t7 into t8.
@@Mxne.you’re mad because he isn’t hard
@@grph1t3z Yes, but it's more than "ooh he isnt hard xD but I am 24/7 xD lmao". In T7, just frame moves have different properties than their "normal" variants. Some combos are improbable or downright impossible without JF inputs. By homogenizing the two, you lose skill expression AND you lose the pimp status of pulling off a difficult combo. And of course, Jin isn't the only one or the first to suffer from this T8 change as it is universal.
@@RizzyGyattwdym? He still has hard ewhf reliant combos, and changing his whf to launch was a good change
Imo the skill expression wasn't lost in execution, but in his game plan now being linear bs gimmick offense instead of calculated mix of defense and offense
In Tekkken 7, it took Bamco many years to nerf Devil Jin into irrelevancy. In Tekken 8, it only took a few months.
...and he wasn't really any good to begin with. Compared to the nonsense the entire rest of the cast could get away with.
He is a pub stomper
@@yellowscarlightningscream8347i mean based on the last win rate survey results (mainman also covered this discussion), the actual pub stomper characters are zafina, bears, victor, alisa. Dvj win rate was average at best
@@dohnaseek
Doesn't King wreck in Low Ranks as well? I assumed that's why people hated him so much.
@@TheXellNot really, he has a middle of the road winrate, mostly because if people mash on his face he doesn't get to throw them, and low ranked players love mashing
Honestly, it’s hard to believe they don’t have any agenda when seeing certain nerfs. It was the same thing in Tekken 7. After Qudans went back to back to TWT Grand Finals, they nerfed the character to death and it was then nerf after nerf after nerf. Same goes for Kazumi. It’s like they have character they really don’t want to see succeed at the highest level. Devil Jin being one of them. They don’t want you to play him
We need to let bandai know that DVJ needs to get some buffs to be playable in online. This is just ridiculous how much they went out their way to nerf him into the ground
Devil Jin is top 5 difficulty character now. He requires you to know how to IWS2. If you can't do that then you might as well pick another Mishima. It's that big of a hit to your gameplan.
Don't worry I'm sure they will decide that iws2 "over shadows" his wealth of other clearly amazing mids that he has in spades. (Sarcasm ofc)
Playing DJ is basically like playing on hard mode
What rank are you?
@@Alimentasable hard stuck in mighty ruler
@@Spacecowboyy69 Utilize uf3 on wall for pressure, then db1 or 2+3 grab, since a lot of idiots loove to mash after uf3 on block lmao
He has tons of gimmicks to abuse.
@@ragnarok7452 gimmicks don’t work past Fujin. You sound like a scrub
Guess who started the bandwagon to get him nerfed.
Only because he was salty DJ was better than his Daddy Kazuya.
😂😂I was shocked when he said they overnerfed the heat smash while he was the same person that complaining about both the range and tracking continuously
He is fake fuck bro...
mans the biggest hypocrite in the tekken community
TMM is a crybaby
Someone in the development team must have a vendetta against Devil Jin for some reason
I bet he's sleeping well now
Pour out some liquor for the homie Devil Jin 🫗
There's still people that tell me devil jin is S tier and unfair
Framewhisperer lol
Bro fr... there was always noobs and bitchers but with the amount of new players now and the fact that they float you to damn near red, there are WAAAAAAYYYYY too many new noobs complaining about everything and they will seriously be like "bruh I'm red, I'm not a scrub i know what I'm talking about." 💀💀💀 i ain't no old legacy fan but I can't with these new players and their takes online. 🤦♂️
Those ppl can go fuck themselves lmfao, he's very far from being S tier
You cant really talk about the game fundamentally if theyre in green rank below hell even red/ purple blue have noobs
He's D tier and unfair. Get a better character, loser
This is exactly why game devs should listen, but not act on whining of influencers.
Can you believe there is people saying he needs more nerfs still?
at this point they are just taking the piss because now they have realized how stupid bandai namco is in terms of reacting to feedback. even the tiniest of feedback makes them wanna nerf something to the ground
Before the latest patch i got my devil jin to mighty ruler. I picked him up again first time in a while today. but i nearly lost the rank today, didnt expect all his nerfs combined to be this bad man😮💨 (dont worry im not a devil jin main so overall im cool)
I feel like the devs should be actively playing the game to understand how chsracters need to be balanced because although Devil Jin can be annoying to fight sometimes they didnt have to gut him like that. Hes a cool character
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It is sick indeed
Bro has been getting nerfed for 6 patches straight, since T7, S5
This is the Tekken community’s fault. A bunch of Garyu’s complaining left and right about how ‘OP’ Devil Jin is. He was not OP even on Tekken 8’s release.
It's not just garyu's. Mainman was also continuously complaining about the character
The fact tekken team are insistent on things having the same properties and utility for no reason really doesn't help. I get signature archetype moves being similar... But a paw isn't really a signature move like electrics, if we go by that then can can on jun/asuka(low, high) should be the same as jins(mid, mid). Give Dvj the dangerous demon paw, make his uf heat engager not heat engage, they already nerfed the heck out of stage stuff and his heat give his gate the damage. Tekken team needs to stop being weird.
You were literally the biggest DJ hater. Now it's a crime he's nerfed
learn the difference between fixing and over nerfing
TMM was never consistent he just says whatever and jumps on every bandwagon. Not news
@BakedConjurer5 he was complaining so hard. You'd think DJ was near unbeatable. When he should have stated DJ was a little over tuned and needs to be toned down in heat a little bit.
@@killa540 exactly
Only reason I still main Devil Jin is because of loyalty, on my way to tekken god but the more I play this character the more I hate him because I have to use 110% of my brain to win
Yea, the sad part is that due to state of devil Jin I may just stop playing tekken 8 because I played him for the nostalgia of Jin from tekken 3. But it’s just whatever I guess we cannot enjoy a character we find cool.
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Yea i pretty much have been playing Tekken 8 weekly with dj as my one only main. With this patch, definitely gonna be taking a break from this fuck fest. Slow ass Uf2 being our only viable option for ppl who love to SS, yea tf out of here harada lol.
@@SolidSol69SOL PLAYS TEKKEN???
@@riceyboi7069 yea, me him fight occasionally. He’s a real homie. Join his server bro
@@davida7229 bf2,1 gets a lot of chars but some will fuck you but im sure you know that
harada js rlly dont want the villains to win, im seeing a trend hes doing. imagine a 16 yr who does a grasshopper stance is better than some horned winged devil who literally wiped the whole humanity with js a laser from his character ending. great stuff harada totally 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Grasshopper stance who?
Xiyou @@edgelord121
but dvj isnt a villain, kazuya is.. Dvj is just an untamed child thats why he looks evil and tempts jin but once you review the tk8 story mode, dvj was all along protecting jin
what you saw in his character episode, thats what happens if jin didnt tame the devil and gave him the body control
@@BakedConjurer5 you completely missed the point tho
@@edgelord121 xiaoyu lmao
Watching Qudans in tournament struggling to play against Rangchu, man looked stressed as.
I've never hated being a character loyalist as much as I do right now
As a bear main, “first time?”
but there’s so many great alternative choices
Keyword “loyalist”
@@MidnightTrain095 bears, especially panda, were huge dmg dealers in t7, let alone great mixups tf lol?? They've always maintained fat dmg in all of tekkens. Now if you're completely dogwater at them, that's a different story lmao
I guess its Devil Jin's turn, normal Jin was busted strong in T3 & T4 so he was nerfed into oblivion in T5. I wish they would actually try more to "balance" a character with a few good moves instead of nerfing them into a useless husk.
I think we can agree that on release his heat smash maybe was a bit too much, but I dont think there was any reason to massacre dvj so much
Psycho Crusher the first time i used it was hella fucken broken but yeaaa his Psycho Crusher rn is so Dogshit
it was a bit overtuned with the tracking i agree. the range was kind of the whole point of it but like come on they didnt need to nerf his poking and any move that isnt a high
Its really fair that both jin and kazuya's demon paws still have decent pushback. Meanwhile the totally necessary nerf to dj's leaves them point blank 👍
Sometimes I feel like DJ and Jin should have their Demon paws switched. Jin can survive having a shitty one.
I got devil Jin to fujin and it felt like mashing my head into a brick wall, luckily my boy kazuya seems a lot more consistent now, so I’m excited to try out my tekken 7 main 🤠
Soo dvj will stuck on this state for 6 months to a year.
This is gonna be hard to watch
Just when Qudans the DJ GoD returns, they nerf him to the ground.
i loved that when Tekken 8 arrived he was uploading but then it stopped once Dvj got nerfed
@@jayrusombajin6886 Qudans conveniently only """reappears""" when Devil Jin is top tier
@@AAJOB he disappears when dvj becomes trash tier
Imagine learning Mishima movement, setups, oki, frame traps, but they are all unreliable
Imagine spending 40 hours just trying to do a frame perfect electric just to only get ot 25% of the time. Or wavedashing but still not fast enough and its absolute crap. And now learning a wave ws2 and ws3 cancells which are different and have different utility while being super hard to master. All that for a King throwing a low from the other side of the screem that hits 60 dmg on counter.
@@wyndland2909 Imagine playing a hard character because you like hard characters and then complaining that your character is hard
@@Gabi24492 Being hard isn't the problem, it's the output he gives. Kazuya is just as hard as he has to learn the same things, and his output is amazing now while Devil Jin gets fuck all most of the time. DvJ is a shadow of his former self.
@@Gabi24492 the problem isn't the fact that he's difficult, he just has no output compared to characters of similar difficulty.
@@Someone_Somewhere7 Kazuya is probably excessively buffed, we'll see in some months
this is not just a devil jin problem, but a prime example of the balance team's incompetence, they just cant have a middle ground either they buff you into broken tier, or they nerf you to the deepest part of hell like you are satan,
but people like mainman are part of the problem he first said law is B tier because he got so much nerfs coming from tekken 7, but after he gets bodied by competant players he now all of a sudden label law a broken S+ tier, lmao
Call me crazy but DVJ should be highly OP all time.
He's literally devil after all.
I know devil Jin isn't trash but man doesn't he feel like it imo
Its more so why would you pick him when the game has jin or kaz. Jin has his former all around-ness while kaz has his former mishima and vortexness, specially when they gave him a 5050. Now with an easy mode high damaging 15f punisher, devil jin is really only picked for the loyalists, otherwise youd rather go jin or kaz
@hatto yeah I fear I am a loyalist at least until armor king drops but really I find it so difficult to fight the top tiers with him which is mainly why I feel that he instead good even though i know that's not the case
@@hattoRyu Ken Akuma type shi. Style points, combo routes, uniqueness, maybe even nostalgia. I guess struggling with a character like Devil Jin forces us to become better.
@@altertheunknownKing has a normal wavedash now, I'm not sure what that means for AK but, you can play King like AK now and wavedash to reallign and still chase steppers with throws, it's beautiful
@zwartesoep2010 yeah but king don't got that shit on like AK do, I played both in t7 but in t8 I just can't bring myself to play king for some reason
I swear this is a result of people not willing to adapt to DJ's moveset and just opt for complaining.
god forbid players lab gimmicks, lets just nerf the character into the ground instead
Any character is only as good the person that uses them, there are no weak or strong characters, there are only weak and strong players.
@@Carlo-j9zplayers much better than you would disagree.
@@Carlo-j9zidk bruh weak and strong characters definitely exist.
@@Carlo-j9zwhen it comes to elite play among elite players, the easy to use or high win rate characters will win nearly 99% of the time with consistency. Tournaments have been won though with underdog characters under elite players but its not repeatable.
I'll always be a Devil Jin main, no matter how much they nerf him and how painful it is playing him😂
my brother in Christ you were the one who called him op at the start
The character has been trash since t7 and tmm you are one of the reasons devil Jin has had a target on him for the longest time.
It’s really unfortunate that a fellow Mishima main is the reason us devil Jin mains have to suffer this much, especially since we’ve been trying to master this character for decades.
But oh well, that’s what the tekken community has been doing for a while now.
Boost this shit because this guy somehow forgot he called he 911 on Devil Jin
Fr mishimas should stand together 😂 i play only mishimas and respect those who play em as well.
DJ players are also Kaz players and vice versa
Its kinda sad the game is being balanced around whicj ever camp cries the most, not based on the highest level of play.
Even Devil Jin's high moves are lackluster, his jab has no range, his shackle(u+1) is a really bad move where if it misses, it has so many recovery frames that the opponent can run all the screen into DVJ and launch him, and even on block DVJ has to commit into something risk, MC 2 is -13 and any other option he has in MC the opponent can just jab him out of it and get a float or the opponent can side step it, which gives him an even better punish.
MC 2 is only -1 which is the safe option, MC 22 is -13. Yeah his only good high move is electric
@@sand__wich99 No. MC 2 is -13 and MC 2,2 is -14. And I'll say more, MC 2 on hit and on CH is -5! The devs couldnt even give us some plus frames in this move on hit, they really want us to gamble our life in every move. Also, even after ws+1,2 ON HIT the opponent still can side step or jab MC 1, so we're back again into our MC gambling with the odds against us. The character is just broken in the bad meaning of the word.
@@brunocanutop my whole life is a lie, wtf
UF1 is an amazing move, stop the downplay
Dvj problem is that his strings doesn't have any low attacks. You can basically just stand blocking his strings cause his lows are so weak, so there's no need to be afraid of his lows. Plus if you learn his setups then he's useless. His only low that can go into a string combo is super risky.
Strings with low attacks are not even good. That is the least of his problems lol.
The craziest part about Dvj downfall is that he was a menace for most of his Tekken history. If you include T3 and TTT1 Jin, he’s been top tier or at least high tier for 5 games straight and top tier for most of T7 lifespan. He was Tekken’s own Akuma historically and the one character you can count on being strong.
He was only good in t5. T6 he was average at best. Ttt2 maybe you could argue he’s top 10. But t7 he was trash throughout, people just didn’t understand the game until much later.
Balanced around the fact that, as a true Mishima, is full of techs and hard inputs.
TTT2 Jin? Don't you mean TTT1 Jin?
@@TheUnique69ableLULZ.
@@davidparry5310yeah, my mistake.
He was a "Souls Boss" at release 🤡
Who could have thought those premature judgements could have led to him getting overnerfed.
Turns out those people were absolutely wrong. They just didnt realize the flaws of the new stuff and downplayed/ignored all nerfs to his previous fundamental tools.
Thank you pro players and content creators for your idiotic takes on DVJ, a character you dont even main, but claimed he was op.
PS: I will keep maining him, since there is nobody who comes close to his edgy design and the gameplay greatness he once had.
At some point the devs will realize their mistakes in the DVJ treatment.
Still gonna main him and reach God of Destruction just to spite Harada.
My only hope is with the launch of Lidia they do a little balance/fix patch when they buff him.
I am a DVJ player (he's my alt).
Thank you for feeling bad for me. To make me feel better, can you please play Lars while you speak Swedish? Thank you 🥺
Literally no one :
"I think DvJ needs nerf"
Bamco : "We hear you"
Qudans: You'd dare to stop me ?!
Bandai Namco: We're just fine tuning your main character of choice into line with others.
Qudans: You will regret crossing me.
The fall of grace of Devil Jin has really come. A shame of what happened with this famous character
As a devil jin main since tekken 5, this just makes me more depressed 😔
As someone who was didnt play devil jin in t7 and plays him right now at this point bro having stage 4 arthritis they keep nerfing for no reason bamco was on bs
When I saw that the Thumbnail had my username and my guy Devil Jin, I knew I had to click on the video
Dvj mains now flipping buragers
"You play Devil Jin? Prease stahp, Change your character..."
My boy down bad right now. I still play him.... but its so damn hard. Geez.
WE SKEET AGAIN!
Dang, poor Devil Jin. Ima still play him though, he's too cool not to play as him.
I'm mishima player and special devil Jin, even nerfed into the ground playing this man
As Lee main since tekken 4 i started play DJ more and more 😆
He got nerfed on every single patch, and got no real buff, just very miniscule bug fixes on either useless moves, or moves that no one uses in the situations of the fixes like the axe kick, so it's kinda like 5 nerfs in a row, lost his hellsweep (on blue ranks and higher no one even cares about ducking cause he has no good lows and even if you get hellsweeped you lose just 45 at best), his smash is useless, and despite the animation it's actually one of the slowest smashes in the game, the ferrari tech is gone despite being quite risky, his demon paw despite being the worst out of all mishimas was still his best mid, or more like his more decent mid, and despite the nerfs it's still the most convenient to use which says a lot, his mc 1 lost the tiny tracking it had in the start and that doesn't help much either, and now he is so repetitive, with all those nerfs, many old combos are either gone or useless damage wise, he already had very few moves in comparison to other characters, and the stuff that still works is so few even if you win, you only win the first match, cause they already figured you out, I've became basically full defense player with dvj, low parrying and rehersal, cause I get literally figured out in just a few rounds, so I gotta go at it slow and hope I win by time up rather than ko's, and even in defensive it's kinda repetitive, only got devil twister, a rehersal and low parry, dvj also for some reason has only one power crush aside his rehersal, a weaker version of jin's d1, and it's not that good either, very slow and unsafe, and with his lackluster lows, if I need to win by one hit, the best low I have is 10 hit combo, literally his best low is a like the 4th hit of a 10hit sample combo, cause his three ring alaya has an s.low so you don't even have to duck to block it, and he lost his three ring circus too in tekken 8.
I hope he gets at least his range back on the smash, not because it's good, but because his smash now looks visually embarassing, and maybe getting back his old df2, like why did they give it to jin, and why did he need another move that gets him to morning crow, he literally has already 5 other ways to go into morning crow, no wonder why it's so gimmicky, he has f3 to get into morning crow, ws3 to get into morning crow in combos, the chain that also guarantees a certain mc 2 2 on hit, his smash when blocked and devil lance to make a decent 50/50, his df2 now is worthless it doesn't even get you a certain mc 2 2 unless it's in counterhit, why not leave his old one so he can have an extra way to get into wavedash and get an ewgf or anything else, it wouldn't even be that good since all of his moves in wavedash are slow except ewgf and maybe his down forward 3.
Also if they actually wanted to make him more gimmicky, why not leave his old samsara?
as a newbie i have only known the dvj now hopefully i will become a beast with him one day
let us not forget, mainman complained 24/7 with devil jin in tekken 7 and what did bamco do, nerfed him to the hell hole in season 4. now that nerfing is still persistent in tekken 8 but the char usage data shows he is below the most used lol
Complained a lot about it too in Tekken 8. His psychocrusher rant, which is legit broken but maybe that's why he had that, Jun still had that long range Heat attack.
The lesson is you shouldn't be b****ing or asking for nerfs too much on launch because people even pros legit don't know wtf they are doing.
Manon in SF6 had a similarly period where the first month or two everyone was mad about her medal damage but by the end of the year she was bottom tier.
Thank god she didn't get panic nerfed
Fr literally what I was saying now these poeple complaining about characters they dont even study like I understand the heatsmash all needs is to be side steppable his range was his character
Devil Jin is one of those characters that definitively deserves to be S tier. He is a literal boss character, and his combos look really flashy and cool, in my opinion. And just like Kazuya, he is very difficult to play and always has moves that have high risk, high reward. Devil Jin doesn't really have those capabilities, and that saddens me. Hope he will get the same treatment like Kazuya did in the next patch.
Also, the fact that Jin is way stronger than his Devil form makes no sense. 🤦♂️
Yes and victor should instakill you with his pistol because it just makes sense right? And azucena deserves to be s tier because I like coffee.
Feel bad for Qudans. Seeing a really good DJ is so rare. Sad what they've done to him.
Welp time to main Steve, hopefully 2025 has some buffs to DVjin
I don't think we will have to wait that long. I think they will charactere specific changes atleast every 3 months.
So far they did quite alot.
I think they meant to make this character keep out counter attack character so the only buffs he need is heat smash range crow 22 should be -12 on block and b1+3 more armour and unblockable grab should be used even without heat
justice for my fellow dvj players
I'm still gonna play him
I'm playing only devil Jin currently in Fujin and I don't feel him weak but a little bit frustrating to play because the amount of execution he requires and yes as tmm said you don't get rewarded that much
I'd like to see u/f 4 into B4 back because as strong it was in Tekken 7 in Tekken 8 devil Jin lost one of his main vortex setup with the flash punch (1 1 2) push the enemy so far away and currently u don't wanna use uf4 at all because u can be clipped into a combo very easily especially if the opponent activates heat
Been maining him 10+ years. T8 has been nothing but a big f u to us dvj mains.
I’m still gonna play him because he’s cool😎
The fan base complain to much about any game because of how people play the character, I’ve noticed people lose and cry then complain about the character. I mean learn how to lose and win maybe it’ll be more fun 🤩
See people don't wanna do that nowadays. Its why I really only watch tournaments so I can actually see what's good
Honestly, if they just increase the pushback on ff2 slightly, make the hitbox of his jab slightly bigger or further, i’d be pretty happy. The heat smash is still an amazing whiff punish tool, his demon steel pedal is a decent spacing tool. Maybe make uf4 a bit better?
Just like my boy Nightmare in Soulcalibur 6 :( sad to see Devil Jin get nerf up the ass
See, I was thinking about and going back to playing as Devil Jin as I did in Tekken 7, but I never had a chance to play him after the launch released, because I never touched him til they cursed him with the balancing patch notes and made me stick to my golden boy Jin Kazama.
Time for a new Tier List? Ah, go on, Main Man. You know we love them!
After the much deserved nerf for UF4 into B4 in Tekken 7, it feels the devs kinda just hated this character. Wasnt performing super well in tournament, but nerfed his UF4 to not knockdown and also nerfed his wall damage at the same time. Keeping up the trend in tekken 8, he gets nerfef without a ton of results. I dont umderstand the amount of nerfs this character gets when his tournament results dont really back it up.
I was soo upset by the nerfs to devil Jin. The character felt so special and I liked his strengths besides the heat smash tracking. So unfortunate.
Maimmans goal is to make the mishama and kazama family be top 5, then byran lol.
Now I play him defensively and I’ve found some success, but he is not dominant anymore, he was the predator before, now he’s the prey.
This will not stop me from playing this character
As a Devil Jin main that is trying to win tournaments , all I can say is that it is literally just torture at this point.
Seeing how its been for qudans too, it looks absurd for dvl jin.
They need to have a better process of figuring out who ACTUALLY needs nerfing, listening to hard stuck Garyu's about who needs nerfs just because they cry the loudest and the most, really hurts the game
yeah i was enjoying playing devil jin recently bc i had finally learned my wave dashes WITH dj. sucks that he got nerfed and hes practically useless against the top tiers. i couldn’t even win a set against a bryan player as dj and i main bryan😭🙏
This is just season 1. Who knows what they'll do next year in season 2.
Yeah. Maybe in season 2 his Demon Paw is gonna be -17 on block.
season 2, dvj breathing is already a risk