THIS!!!!😭😭😭 So well-articulated!!! THANK YOU! Tyler has the heart and talent of King David and the mission of Paul! What they are doing is soooo important!!
Not only do I really like the voiceover, I also really like the theory, largely because looking at the theocratic nature of Dema from a sociological perspective actually matches up with some of your points. This video I made actually explaining how to categorise and define vialist doctrine will most likely never see the light of day due to me not liking the way the information was presented, but vialism in this state is based on Fundamentalist, World-Affirming Sects. What defines a sect is that it is isolated from the outside world, hostile towards outsiders, follows a strict belief system, is defined by charismatic leaders and often provides followers with a sense of purpose or security. This translates to the walls of Dema, the hostility towards the Banditos and escapees, the bishops as figureheads, and many people finding a sense of purpose and stability in Dema as noted by Clancy in their first letter as well as the letter when they are captured by Keons. As for the World-Affirming label, all this means is that the religion acknowledges the existence of wider society and will not necessarily bar anyone from joining their religion but will not conform to society unless it promotes the longevity of their religion; we see this in SAI with the bishops adapting and utilising a more televangelist approach to spreading their message. The fundamentalist label only really doubles down on hostility and isolation. More importantly, like you noted, they focus on the "original" religion, going hardcore on traditional values because they perceive modern day religion to be watered down. Enforcing Vialism as mandate, enforcing strict rules and a punishment system for those who disobey the doctrine, really seems to enforce the idea of Vialism being a fundamentalist sect under the bishops. But the fact that it was hijacked and never used to be mandated ultimately implies a less harsher form of the religion - one that promoted guidance and the finding of the self. You are right. The bishops are "tradition" and they disapprove of the non-harmful new way of connecting with other vialists because it threatens their stability (amongst other things). Hopefully this didn't sound like a tangent. I am currently gripped by illness so potentially a little delirious. Loved the video, loved the vibe the editing gave and I love your content. It's a really refreshing perspective!
Thank you so much, I’m so glad you liked it! That’s really interesting about the categorizing of vialist doctrine, especially about the doubling down on traditional values since they think the modern day version isn’t “hardcore” enough. It makes me think of the Pharisees in the Bible who made extra rules on top of the Old Testament law that the people were forced to obey, even if they weren’t biblical (as well as some modern day Christian’s/religious people). Overall, thanks for commenting this and I’d love to see your video on it one day if you ever do end up uploading it!
Again, I love these theories as I think a religious point of view it's very close to Tyler's point of view (and it's impossible to take that point away even you are christian or not). And love your profile picture, it looks so cool!!
I really love these theories, I always saw a lot of biblical parallels in the DEMA story. This is unrelated to the video but I just thought it was cool- in the last letter we got from the FPE events the torchbearer tells Clancy “I hope you now know, I was always with you” which reminds me of Deuteronomy 31:8
I actually love this format! The voice is great imo, I like that format a bit more than the AI voice, makes me think of Dema's videos a bit. Great job! I love the theory, and I just really hope that the boys acknowledge their music as being about Christ, because a veiled message can only take people so far. This video has made me a bit less skeptical about the storyline's message, and I appreciate all you're doing to analyze this. Keep up the great work!
@@sahsahroosky thank you so much!! An honor to be compared to Dema’s videos lol. I’m really glad you liked it, and I agree about the acknowledgement, maybe that’s what the end of the storyline will entail!
Something just clicked… what if the Nicolas Bourbaki group is a metaphor for the German higher critics that created fundamentalism? I think they were the foundation out of the enlightenment that started taking the relationship and Divine revelation out of Christianity.
@@Beccaboo739 this is really interesting, I’ll definitely look into that! I know the Bourbaki group themselves became elitists who sort of looked down on others, which ties into the bishops, but that could be another layer.
ok this is my fav of your lore theories so far. first off, the voiceover sounds amazing :D and i really like your perspective on this. how the bishops turned christianity (or a religion similar to christianity) into this materialistic, man made concept. i also really liked what you mentioned about the bishops CREATING the light, because its a perfect example of how they turned away from the true light, God, and instead they turned inward and started creating unnatural and weak light for themselves. gahh i love the lore so much. great video
Love this! Well done! Is this your real voice? (Am I allowed to ask that?? I’m an old clikkie and my kids tell me I don’t always know that what I’m saying online isn’t ok! 😮) Anyway, I concur with everyone who said this voiceover is better than the AI! I so much appreciate you putting your theory vids out there. They are well thought-out and supported with lyrics and scripture references. I see so many connections between the lore and the struggle between churchianity and true Christ followers, but I’m not up to the task of making videos!! I’m glad you’re putting it out there! Thinking about the bit where Clancy writes “I can recruit everyone with eyes that see beyond the horizon” It sounds a lot like Matthew chapter 13, where Jesus says in verse 13 “This is why I use stories to teach the people: They see, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really hear or understand.” And later in verse 16 where Jesus is commending his followers for hearing and understanding his message: “But you are blessed, because you see with your eyes and hear with your ears.“ Keep up the good work! 🌼
@@NoPhun_But_EastIsUp yes, it’s my real voice! That’s okay to ask haha I’m really glad you like my videos, I enjoy putting them out there even if they’re difficult to script sometimes! That’s a really good point about the verses in Matthew
@no_phun_in_dema just noticed my own typo. Grrrr. Lol. All jokes aside, I really love your takes on this. And it does all make sense to me. Self-sacrifice to protect people is noble in Christianity, but thus can easily be skewed by those in charge being corrupt. So the Bishops, and Vialism, and everything in the lore all makes sense. Even Simone Weil
@@skyscapegamingllc8154oo that’s a great point about the self-sacrifice. I was having trouble connecting vialism’s doctrine itself with the idea of legalistic former-Christian leaders, but that’s a great idea.
@no_phun_in_dema OH sweet! Yeah, I also had this idea about the world of Trench being post apocalyptic, and that the Bishops twisted religions (mostly christianity) into this argument of "to pay for the sins of the past and of the world, sacrifice yourself and earn paradise". It's a broad concept, but I had it floating around in my mind. If you want to make videos on it I'd be happy to see them.
@@no_phun_in_dema Ah well...I'm a nurse a can't take time off to travel to a concert. I'm very thankful for those who post the live shows online. Congrats on getting to go to a show! The light show and big screens give insight to a lot of detail not stated in the lyrics.
@@no_phun_in_dema but there’s other stuff too because of what Clancy as a name means sun and how keons is the only bishop written to meet in the sun and some other stuff, I donno, I really love your concept idea of the trinity but I’d also like t see how faith and overcoming can be personified, and if Keons is the negative consequences of creativity then like overcoming self doubt and makeing creativity your identity is a fantastic story for our side of the story, faith without works is dead basically and so I like to see how they work together (faith and works)
@@oakborn7446i totally forgot to respond to these earlier, but these are really great points that I’d never thought of, especially about the “Clancy is dead”. I just don’t know how that would work out logistic wise as we know original Clancy was known for attempting to escape many times and I’m not sure how that would make sense with Keons originally being a loyal vialist bishop, then supposedly later switching to the side of the rebellion. Still, something to think about!
You are very very close. Keep searching. Dema was created long before the birth of Christ. Keons is Jesus. Dema goes all the way back to Genesis, ancient Judaism, Rome, and the Crucifixion of Christ. You would have to understand The Old Testament for this to make complete sense.
@@teresahunt5521 interesting ideas! I personally think Torchbearer is representative of Jesus rather than Keons, there’s just so many things that point to it that it’s hard to ignore. Although I definitely think Keons represents something important, I don’t have a completely solid theory on him yet. he may be William Tyndale, who went against the Catholic Church to translate the Bible into English for the “common people”, and was executed for it, or another martyr
@@teresahunt5521 Tyler said the Torchbearer has a “triangular existence”, insinuating he’s likely all three parts of the trinity. SAI Josh is the Holy Spirit, Bandito Josh is Jesus, and as for God the Father we may not have seen him represented physically yet.
@@no_phun_in_dema Nico is God. In the song Trees, the man singing wants to say hello to God, but he is hiding cowardly in the trees. When Clancy finally overcomes his fear, and yells SHOW YOURSELF in Paladin Strait, God races out to say hello to Clancy. Josh has represented the trinity over the course of many years. This is true. Ned is also God and Josh's dog, Jim, is also Jesus. Not everyone has followed the lore so God and Jesus were represented in other ways for casual watchers. The black markings on Tyler's voice and hands were never a curse, but rather his gift. He's just been running from them to appeal to the masses. He's made a lot of money doing so, but God is not pleased. The bible issues harsh warnings for false teachers and anyone who adds or takes away from the gospel. The non-lore songs/videos on the Clancy album demonstrate Tyler's remorse. I would love to hear your take on Next Semester.
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THIS!!!!😭😭😭
So well-articulated!!! THANK YOU! Tyler has the heart and talent of King David and the mission of Paul! What they are doing is soooo important!!
@@Beccaboo739 yes, thank you and you’re welcome!!
Not only do I really like the voiceover, I also really like the theory, largely because looking at the theocratic nature of Dema from a sociological perspective actually matches up with some of your points.
This video I made actually explaining how to categorise and define vialist doctrine will most likely never see the light of day due to me not liking the way the information was presented, but vialism in this state is based on Fundamentalist, World-Affirming Sects. What defines a sect is that it is isolated from the outside world, hostile towards outsiders, follows a strict belief system, is defined by charismatic leaders and often provides followers with a sense of purpose or security. This translates to the walls of Dema, the hostility towards the Banditos and escapees, the bishops as figureheads, and many people finding a sense of purpose and stability in Dema as noted by Clancy in their first letter as well as the letter when they are captured by Keons. As for the World-Affirming label, all this means is that the religion acknowledges the existence of wider society and will not necessarily bar anyone from joining their religion but will not conform to society unless it promotes the longevity of their religion; we see this in SAI with the bishops adapting and utilising a more televangelist approach to spreading their message.
The fundamentalist label only really doubles down on hostility and isolation. More importantly, like you noted, they focus on the "original" religion, going hardcore on traditional values because they perceive modern day religion to be watered down. Enforcing Vialism as mandate, enforcing strict rules and a punishment system for those who disobey the doctrine, really seems to enforce the idea of Vialism being a fundamentalist sect under the bishops. But the fact that it was hijacked and never used to be mandated ultimately implies a less harsher form of the religion - one that promoted guidance and the finding of the self.
You are right. The bishops are "tradition" and they disapprove of the non-harmful new way of connecting with other vialists because it threatens their stability (amongst other things).
Hopefully this didn't sound like a tangent. I am currently gripped by illness so potentially a little delirious. Loved the video, loved the vibe the editing gave and I love your content. It's a really refreshing perspective!
Thank you so much, I’m so glad you liked it!
That’s really interesting about the categorizing of vialist doctrine, especially about the doubling down on traditional values since they think the modern day version isn’t “hardcore” enough. It makes me think of the Pharisees in the Bible who made extra rules on top of the Old Testament law that the people were forced to obey, even if they weren’t biblical (as well as some modern day Christian’s/religious people).
Overall, thanks for commenting this and I’d love to see your video on it one day if you ever do end up uploading it!
This is great! The voiceover is much better than the AI one.
Again, I love these theories as I think a religious point of view it's very close to Tyler's point of view (and it's impossible to take that point away even you are christian or not). And love your profile picture, it looks so cool!!
@@QYURRYUSsoul thanks!!
I really love these theories, I always saw a lot of biblical parallels in the DEMA story.
This is unrelated to the video but I just thought it was cool- in the last letter we got from the FPE events the torchbearer tells Clancy “I hope you now know, I was always with you” which reminds me of Deuteronomy 31:8
@@bangbangrogers2750 thank you, I’m glad you like them
Yes, that line from the newest letter really stuck out to me as well!!
I actually love this format! The voice is great imo, I like that format a bit more than the AI voice, makes me think of Dema's videos a bit. Great job! I love the theory, and I just really hope that the boys acknowledge their music as being about Christ, because a veiled message can only take people so far. This video has made me a bit less skeptical about the storyline's message, and I appreciate all you're doing to analyze this. Keep up the great work!
@@sahsahroosky thank you so much!! An honor to be compared to Dema’s videos lol. I’m really glad you liked it, and I agree about the acknowledgement, maybe that’s what the end of the storyline will entail!
I would love to hear your thoughts on how Keons, Trash, and how the Ned’s could connect to this theory! :)
@@Raytion11 great points! I’ll hopefully go over these in a future video once I do more research :)
@@no_phun_in_dema I would love to hear it!
@@oakborn7446 ya! I have an idea that Keons may be William Tyndale or another Christian martyr, but I’ll keep doing research
Something just clicked… what if the Nicolas Bourbaki group is a metaphor for the German higher critics that created fundamentalism? I think they were the foundation out of the enlightenment that started taking the relationship and Divine revelation out of Christianity.
@@Beccaboo739 this is really interesting, I’ll definitely look into that! I know the Bourbaki group themselves became elitists who sort of looked down on others, which ties into the bishops, but that could be another layer.
Dude you need more subscribers, all your videos are so amazing ❤❤
@@ivybananaaa aw thank you so much
Amen!!💛
Love these videos! Keep up the amazing work!!
@@Raytion11 thank you!!
ok this is my fav of your lore theories so far. first off, the voiceover sounds amazing :D
and i really like your perspective on this. how the bishops turned christianity (or a religion similar to christianity) into this materialistic, man made concept. i also really liked what you mentioned about the bishops CREATING the light, because its a perfect example of how they turned away from the true light, God, and instead they turned inward and started creating unnatural and weak light for themselves. gahh i love the lore so much. great video
@@audreythebookworm thank you, I’m so glad you liked it!! 100% spot on with that description, I love the lore so much too. And yes lol no copyright
finally have time to watch this yess
Love this! Well done! Is this your real voice? (Am I allowed to ask that?? I’m an old clikkie and my kids tell me I don’t always know that what I’m saying online isn’t ok! 😮) Anyway, I concur with everyone who said this voiceover is better than the AI!
I so much appreciate you putting your theory vids out there. They are well thought-out and supported with lyrics and scripture references. I see so many connections between the lore and the struggle between churchianity and true Christ followers, but I’m not up to the task of making videos!! I’m glad you’re putting it out there!
Thinking about the bit where Clancy writes “I can recruit everyone with eyes that see beyond the horizon”
It sounds a lot like Matthew chapter 13, where Jesus says in verse 13 “This is why I use stories to teach the people: They see, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really hear or understand.” And later in verse 16 where Jesus is commending his followers for hearing and understanding his message: “But you are blessed, because you see with your eyes and hear with your ears.“
Keep up the good work! 🌼
@@NoPhun_But_EastIsUp yes, it’s my real voice! That’s okay to ask haha
I’m really glad you like my videos, I enjoy putting them out there even if they’re difficult to script sometimes! That’s a really good point about the verses in Matthew
@@no_phun_in_demaok - I’m glad I didn’t weird you out 😂
Amen sister!
Great job woth your videos. Keep it up!
@@skyscapegamingllc8154 thank you!!
@no_phun_in_dema just noticed my own typo. Grrrr. Lol. All jokes aside, I really love your takes on this. And it does all make sense to me. Self-sacrifice to protect people is noble in Christianity, but thus can easily be skewed by those in charge being corrupt. So the Bishops, and Vialism, and everything in the lore all makes sense. Even Simone Weil
@@skyscapegamingllc8154oo that’s a great point about the self-sacrifice. I was having trouble connecting vialism’s doctrine itself with the idea of legalistic former-Christian leaders, but that’s a great idea.
@no_phun_in_dema OH sweet!
Yeah, I also had this idea about the world of Trench being post apocalyptic, and that the Bishops twisted religions (mostly christianity) into this argument of "to pay for the sins of the past and of the world, sacrifice yourself and earn paradise".
It's a broad concept, but I had it floating around in my mind. If you want to make videos on it I'd be happy to see them.
Have you been to any of the Clancy live shows or watched any of the Clancy lives recorded by fans?
@@teresahunt5521 yes, I went to their show in Baltimore!
@@no_phun_in_dema Ah well...I'm a nurse a can't take time off to travel to a concert. I'm very thankful for those who post the live shows online. Congrats on getting to go to a show! The light show and big screens give insight to a lot of detail not stated in the lyrics.
Is Keons the first Clancy ?
@@oakborn7446 that’s an interesting idea I’ve never thought of!
@@no_phun_in_dema well who’s the only one to die on screen during “Clancy is dead”
@@no_phun_in_dema also keons was Clancys bishop so the “out of body experience” would make more sense
@@no_phun_in_dema but there’s other stuff too because of what Clancy as a name means sun and how keons is the only bishop written to meet in the sun and some other stuff, I donno, I really love your concept idea of the trinity but I’d also like t see how faith and overcoming can be personified, and if Keons is the negative consequences of creativity then like overcoming self doubt and makeing creativity your identity is a fantastic story for our side of the story, faith without works is dead basically and so I like to see how they work together (faith and works)
@@oakborn7446i totally forgot to respond to these earlier, but these are really great points that I’d never thought of, especially about the “Clancy is dead”. I just don’t know how that would work out logistic wise as we know original Clancy was known for attempting to escape many times and I’m not sure how that would make sense with Keons originally being a loyal vialist bishop, then supposedly later switching to the side of the rebellion. Still, something to think about!
You are very very close. Keep searching. Dema was created long before the birth of Christ. Keons is Jesus. Dema goes all the way back to Genesis, ancient Judaism, Rome, and the Crucifixion of Christ. You would have to understand The Old Testament for this to make complete sense.
@@teresahunt5521 interesting ideas! I personally think Torchbearer is representative of Jesus rather than Keons, there’s just so many things that point to it that it’s hard to ignore. Although I definitely think Keons represents something important, I don’t have a completely solid theory on him yet. he may be William Tyndale, who went against the Catholic Church to translate the Bible into English for the “common people”, and was executed for it, or another martyr
@@no_phun_in_dema Torch bearer is The Holy Spirit.
@@teresahunt5521 Tyler said the Torchbearer has a “triangular existence”, insinuating he’s likely all three parts of the trinity. SAI Josh is the Holy Spirit, Bandito Josh is Jesus, and as for God the Father we may not have seen him represented physically yet.
@@no_phun_in_dema Hopefully, TOP will clear it all up for us very soon.
@@no_phun_in_dema Nico is God. In the song Trees, the man singing wants to say hello to God, but he is hiding cowardly in the trees. When Clancy finally overcomes his fear, and yells SHOW YOURSELF in Paladin Strait, God races out to say hello to Clancy. Josh has represented the trinity over the course of many years. This is true. Ned is also God and Josh's dog, Jim, is also Jesus. Not everyone has followed the lore so God and Jesus were represented in other ways for casual watchers. The black markings on Tyler's voice and hands were never a curse, but rather his gift. He's just been running from them to appeal to the masses. He's made a lot of money doing so, but God is not pleased. The bible issues harsh warnings for false teachers and anyone who adds or takes away from the gospel. The non-lore songs/videos on the Clancy album demonstrate Tyler's remorse. I would love to hear your take on Next Semester.