Trinitarian, did you know: In the New Testament the word God (Theos) never means the Trinity?
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2021
- If the word "God" (Theos) in the New Testament never means the Trinity, Trinitarians must believe:
"God (Theos) in the New Testament is never the Trinity, but God in the New Testament is a Trinity"
Could it be that Trinitarianism is misrepresenting God?
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Bill, I don't think you are being specific enough.......lol
YHWH bless you !!!! You Spears The truth! I like your video!! Keep it going !
Bill, don’t you feel as if this is begging the question? The Trinitarian would say that every instance of the word “theos” in the NT means “God”, who IS a triune deity. To say it never means the Trinity is to assume your own answer to the question of the Trinity.
May I ask YOUS something.Do yous think the HOLY SPIRIT is GOD besides the Father?
The Holy Spirit is simply Yahweh's spirit.
Hey Bill. I have heard the term:
"O Theos." Is this something different?
@Eli Mason ‘O Theos’ is Greek for ‘The God’
As in:
2 Corinthians 1:3
Praise be to **the God** and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and **the God** of all comfort,
@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist Thanks 👍
Hi Eli:) since we are in the pandemic could you explain this to us?
Surah 5:6
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِذَا قُمْتُمْ إِلَى ٱلصَّلَوٰةِ فَٱغْسِلُوا۟ وُجُوهَكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ إِلَى ٱلْمَرَافِقِ وَٱمْسَحُوا۟ بِرُءُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى ٱلْكَعْبَيْنِ وَإِن كُنتُمْ جُنُبًا فَٱطَّهَّرُوا۟ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَىٰٓ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَآءَ أَحَدٌ مِّنكُم مِّنَ ٱلْغَآئِطِ أَوْ لَٰمَسْتُمُ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا۟ مَآءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا۟ صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَٱمْسَحُوا۟ بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُم مِّنْهُ مَا يُرِيدُ ٱللَّهُ لِيَجْعَلَ عَلَيْكُم مِّنْ حَرَجٍ وَلَٰكِن يُرِيدُ لِيُطَهِّرَكُمْ وَلِيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُۥ عَلَيْكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ
O you who believe! When you rise to pray, wash your faces and your hands and arms to the elbows, and wipe your heads, and your feet to the ankles. If you had intercourse, then purify yourselves. If you are ill, or travelling, or one of you returns from the toilet, or you had contact with women, and could not find water, then use some clean sand and wipe your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to burden you, but He intends to purify you, and to complete His blessing upon you, that you may be thankful.
Why would Muhammad say such a thing? that post traveling intercourse, if there is no water around, just rub your hands and face with sand(the arabic does not say clean sand) and or dirt (earth) and you will be clean?
Speaking from a medical practitioners perspective, this would be the absolute worst thing anyone could do...always wash your hands and keep your hands away from your face....Sand and or dirt has all sorts of bacteria such as ecoli and or Staph....how come Muhammad taught the absolutely worst thing any human should do??
@@tennywilms5924 I'm fairly certain no one knew about viruses and bacteria in Muhammad's day. I don't know why you're asking me though.😏
@@elimason7954 will you say Allah as your witness that Muhammad is a pedophilic leader of a sex cult?
Y'all should read the Qur'an i want to know yalls take on it
What I find funny is they will try to read the shema into the 1 Corinthians 8: 6.
Oh yeah, that old farce. They claim, "Look here, Paul is splitting the Shema." Anything to defend their triune idol.
lets try and use the Unitarains very argument:)
God theos never means Trinity,
how about I show you where God theos means Trinity, as soon as you show us God Theos means Unitarain:)
That is a fallacy called special pleading:)
Maneuver the wording to cultivate a particular answer?
Its as bad and dishonest an argument, where a Muslim will often cry "show me where God uses the word Trinity!"
We Trinitarians are then prompted to respond and say "ill show you where in the Bible God is said to use the word Trinity, as soon as you show us where God is said to use the word Unitarian"
Truth is not determined by semantics or fallacies called exact word criterion...please think about this from a logical standpoint....or philosophical sense....are there other ways to deduce and or infer truth??.........
Look up Special pleading Fallacy, Look up exact word Criterion Fallacy, look up False Dichotomy Fallacy, Look up question begging epiteth fallacy...
Im sure I can point out certain other fallacies and faults in this line of reasoning which is a clearly bad argument.
@@tennywilms5924 Where does θεος mean Unitarian? Well, since trinity means God is 3 persons and unitarian means God is 1 person this is quite easy to show. At least for us it is, impossible for trinitarians though.
John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God…” The ‘you’ refers to the Father and its a singular personal pronoun which means it refers to one (singular) person (personal). Now, what does Jesus say about this singular person? That he is the ONLY (μόνος) true God (θεος) which makes the one person of the Father, according to Jesus, God alone. Therefore, in order to be a true Christian monotheist like Jesus you need to believe just like him that the Father is God alone.
Also, your trying to make this a fallacy when it isn’t. Bill didn’t say anything like ‘show me where God uses the word trinity’ so comparing it to bad Muslim arguments is dishonest of you. What he asked was ‘how many times does God (θεος) mean the trinity?’ This is what trinitarians do, when they can’t answer a simple question, they say its a fallacy or something just to avoid having to answer it. If God was truly a trinity you should have no issue finding countless verses where God means or refers to the trinity.
Hi J Nelson:)
re Jn 17:3 of your use to defend against the Deity of Christ...
Sorry but several fallacies to point out!!! thank you Holy Spirit for prompting me right away! you LORD are so faithful:)
1)Fallacy of Suppressed Evidence
2)Fallacy of Exclusion
3)Violation of the Law called denying the antecedent
4)No violation of the Law called the Law of Non-contradiction:))))
5)Oh....Circular reasoning fallacy....
#1)What is the Fallacy of suppressed evidence?
that you act as if this is the only verse in the Bible that exists:)
#2)what is the Fallacy of Exclusion
Father is called the only True God, Jesus is also called God 1 Jn 5:20
@@j.nelson2811 #3)what is the Violation of logic called denying the antecedent....
What is the antecedent even before Jn 17:3?
P1: Beyonce is the only popular singer
P2: lady gaga is not Beyonce
Conclusion: Beyonce is the only popular singer, Lady Gaga is not Beyonce, therefore Lady Gaga is not a popular singer
true or false?......false:) why? because in the closed system, called the World, Lady Gaga is already known to be a popular singer....
P1: the Father is The Only True God
P2: JESUS is not the Father
C: the Father is the only true God, Jesus is not the Father, therefore Jesus is not True God
True or false?......false....why? because in the closed system....called the Bible...where the Bible is not chopped into pieces....JESUS all over the Bible is called God....the antecedent is that JESUS is already God, you cant chop the Bible into pieces and remove facts just like you cant remove Lady Gaga from the closed system called the World.....
#1-#3 is pending counter argument:) please help me out Son of God buy New birth....you are a teacher and I need your help:) argumentation goes back and forth, hither and thither, reciprocal....
please teach me your point of view as there is always 2 sides to every story....
James 3:1: My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
It is written, “At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants” ~ Matthew 11:25. Praise YHVH for the simplicity of scripture...”For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Messiah Jesus” ~ I Timothy 2:5
Good luck Tyler B:) on getting an answer from our friend. He doesnt seem to base his truth on that which can be defended... he bases his truth instead on a doctrine that cant seem be defended. and it appears after reading their texts, all I see is cheering each other on while they sling mud and angry-talk on the Trinitarians....
Id like to believe the truth is on the side where it can defend itself....I mean I would love to know the opponents truth but truth isnt much truth if there is no discussion to determine who has the better quality evidence right....
This sorta reminds me of a BLM rally 2 years ago at University where they got in the cops faces screaming. one of the cops, started to talk of course in kindness and one of the supporters started to dialogue, "cop says "what is the purpose of your ralley today," the BLM started to have a casual and civil discussion till one of the BLM Ralley leaders grabbed her by the arm and with assertion got in her face and said "DONT EVER TALK TO THEM!"
There is a dark force which keeps their members from engaging..definitely not a spirit of God...
why dont they want engagement?
#1) they will find out they have no argument and come to the truth
Jn3:20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
#2) dialogue is a civil way of determining truth, advocated by God Himself
Jn3:21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
#3) the team of the adversary will put in their minds not to engage, of course each time one engages in seeking truth, one gets closer to it and if truth that is to have a heart for God is truly what one desires, then there should be no problem in engaging...All cults dont want their members taking with former cult members or even engaging with noncult follower sites...
#4) imagine if you come to a Unitarian site to seek truth....truth is dialogued back and forth however no one in team Unitarian wants to engage to help us come to their truth....can they really say they are doing a work of God? is this the confidence they have in their truth?
I can see them now...
"we Unitarains are in the truth but even if the Truth seekers come to refine their truth or come to openly welcome correction, we wont engage with them because our truth not to be shared"
However if you go to Trinitarian sites, im so proud of my fellow Saints which welcomes with open arms, love and kindness...
@Tyler B #2 I dunno why our friends dont see the parallelisms?
if you take the OT where a verse or title applies to God Almighty Himself, and then in another book the same verse and or title applied to God Almighty Himself is applied to Jesus....which leads us to an either or alternative...
Either you can now throw away the Bible given the contradiction, **OR** the Bible is true, scriptures dont contradict each other, and JESUS is God:)
Tyler B & Teeny Wilms
WOW! Which scripture is so offensive to you…Matthew 11:25 or I Timothy 2:5? How does praising YHVH for making scripture so simplistic cause you to imply that I am part of cult or the BLM movement? I hope the word itself speaks to you both through this passage…Luke 18:14. For some reason I am not feeling the trinitarian love and kindness you just wrote about Teeny.
@Tyler B #2 Once again, Unitarians don’t“compare”Jesus to God. What we understand through scriptures is that God works and fulfills his plans through this man Jesus. It’s quite simple but you feel the need to defend a doctrine that you yourself admitted can’t be proven nor isn’t even necessary for salvation. So why waste so much time here?
@Tyler B #2 I’m still waiting on your answer. The Father, Son and HS are distinct what?
Excellent argument - Bill ! How many people would benefit from a video about the Sinful Flesh of Jesus ? Thomas
Hi TP:) how are you?
Sinful flesh?didnt you say that Jesus is a nobody? because "nobody came into flesh"
we believe Jesus PREEXISTED in heaven...to not believe so = antichrist....
Muslims, JW, Jew, Cristadelphians, non-Followers of Christ dont believe Jesus, that He PREEXISTED and came down into a flesh....
@@tennywilms5924 Please provide verse with YOUR PHRASE "INTO FLESH" -- Jesus had Sinful Flesh since he had Sinful temptations -- LIKE US - Temptations are not RIGHT -- Evidence is YHWH cannot be tempted. Jesus is not God !
@@tp644 so you dont believe Jesus didnt come into flesh?
1 Jn4:3:and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist,
2 Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
@@tennywilms5924 You still provided no verse "INTO FLESH".
GOD'S PLAN BECAME OR WAS MADE SINFUL FLESH.
We must believe Jesus was Flesh like us.
The Plan to build a House does not go INTO THE HOUSE -- rather the Plan becomes the literal House ! Use your reasoning -- ask questions -- be humble !
@@tennywilms5924 Tenny -- admit you are using INTO FLESH by error !
Many Trinitarians have told me that ‘God died on the cross’.
In a United Pentecostal Church service I heard the pastor proclaim ‘Jesus is the only Resurrected God’.
To top that, the foolish translations that say ‘Jesus is the only begotten God’.
Oh God Our Father! Lead those with hungry and seeking hearts to your only born son. In the name you have exalted above every name we ask this!
Hi Son of God:) how are you:) Hope you have been blessed and have been asking God daily for the truth to salvation:)
hungry for God? go to Trinitarian sites...where they are not only viral, but there are multitudes of Muslims, JW, Atheists all walks of life at our sites engaging because they are seeking truth....you will actually see real substantial and intellectually diverse engagements....why? because the God of the Universe is not limited to just attacking the Triune Godhead or Jesus Godhood, our God is just that huge and amazingly expansive:)
God loves you! dont forget to ask Him every day the truth to salvation:)
@@tennywilms5924
@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist
So you base your truth on one verse? so this one verse erases every single verse in the Bible:) hehe....
@@tennywilms5924 you cannot and will not answer my question from long ago.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
Then the end will come, when **he hands over the kingdom to God the Father** after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For **he must reign UNTIL he has put all his enemies under his feet.** The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, **it is clear that this does not include GOD himself, who put everything under Christ.** When he has done this, then **the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that GOD may be all in all.**
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Sorry but several fallacies to point out!!! thank you Holy Spirit for prompting me right away! you LORD are so faithful:)
1)Fallacy of Suppressed Evidence
2)Fallacy of Exclusion
3)Violation of the Law called denying the antecedent
4)No violation of the Law called the Law of Non-contradiction:))))
5)Oh....Circular reasoning fallacy....
#1)What is the Fallacy of suppressed evidence?
that you act as if this is the only verse in the Bible that exists:)
#2)what is the Fallacy of Exclusion
Father is called the only True God, Jesus is also called God 1 Jn 5:20
What I'm wondering about, honestly, is how in the third millennium we still are discussing about the Trinity, which sets a world record as regards nonsense :
1. the theory states that the almighty God is HERE NOW. But this is impossible. Billions of people don't understand that the almighty God cannot be PERSONALLY here, everpresent. We only have ONE PAST. The same applies to the future: we can have different possibilities ahead, but EVENTUALLY ONLY ONE WELL-DETERMINED FUTURE will be selected and REALLY come true. Since God is almighty, God is supposed to know that ONE DETERMINED future: the ONE future that will REALLY COME TRUE. Since God makes NO ERRORS, that ONE future is known by God , is thus AS SET IN STONE. We are FREE to do what we like because we do NOT KNOW what is set in stone. But God would know that ONE future instead, and that future MUST COME TRUE! This means God would NOT be OMNIPOTENT: He could not even change the weather tomorrow, changing it would mean He made before a PREDICTION ERROR! God would thus be OBLIGED to let the future KNOWN TO HIM beforehand to EXACTLY UNFOLD like it is. God would NOT BE FREE too, obliged to TAKE EXACTLY the God's actions already set out in that determined future, down to the tiniest detail. The almighty God cannot accept all this, of course. What is the solution to this problem? God just commanded his power "So it shall be (but without me)".
2. God having a God-Son in the LITERAL SENSE sounds ridiculous: there is NO REASON for that.
Further, that Son would be of course a "demi-God" and the people would still keep praying to the only one real God, the ONLY REAL ORIGIN of everything, (including the Son): his Father
3. the Son has his origin in the Father, but the Father has NOT his origin in the Son. This means that the Father is the ORIGIN of EVERYTHING, including the Son, whilst - on the other hand - the Son IS NOT THE ORIGIN of all. Thus they cannot be co-equal as stated by the doctrine.
4. it is ridiculous and OFFENSIVE to state that God is made of "substance". How can you quibble about the layout of God? It's just nonsensical FANTASY.
5. therefore is NONSENSE to state that Father and Son are made of a SAME substance
6. ...and even if they were made by a same substance, MINDS MATTER not substance! They still were TWO DISTINCT Persons as long as they have two DIFFERENT MINDS and have a "normal relationship" (as disclosed by the Gospels)
7. ...and since the Father teaches the Son things, they don't even share the same information. This means they surely have DIFFERENT MINDS so that they cannot be a "same God" (when Father and Son EXIST AT THE SAME TIME, but in reality they DO NOT).
8. it's absurd having TWO almighty persons in the universe: if One of them wants the moon white-painted, what will the other Person do in this regard, could He change that color? Logic allows at most ONLY ONE omnipotent person to exist, because omnipotence is an UNCONDITIONAL power. The almighty God is ONE.
9. it's RIDICULOUS to state that the almighty God is NOT SUFFICIENTLY ALMIGHTY and He needs to be helped by a "God's Helper God"
10. In the gospels Father and Son NORMALLY TALK as it happens with TWO common different persons "thank you for hearing me...". If the Father existed now in a NORMAL form, then we surely had TWO Gods, that is POLYTHEISM. But God is ONLY ONE !
The Trinity theory is also EXTENSIVELY NOT SCRIPTURAL :
1. it's lying to state that Jesus is almighty when Jesus states exactly the opposite “ I from myself am not able to do a thing” (John 5:30). Jesus is led into the desert. This means that with a GPS you could move without any help in the desert and thus score a better performance than an omnipotent Person !
2. the "omnipotent Lord who gives life" is an ABSURD INVENTION: an omnipotent God totally UNKNOWN in the scriptures, no one ever heard a single word from him !!
3. it's lying to state that Jesus and the Father are co-equal when Jesus states THE OPPOSITE "My Father is greater than I", the trinity inventors think to be more informed than Jesus on this topic!
4. it's FALSE to state that the Father and the "Lord giver of life" (the Holy Spirit) are co-equal when ONLY the Father know the future "..but only the Father knows", this means the "Lord giver of life" does NOT know the future !
5. throughout the whole gospels disclosure it is clear that ONLY ONE RELATIONSHIP FATHER-SON EXISTS. Jesus crystal clear states: "I am not alone because the Father is with me." Without the Father, Jesus would be ALONE, NOT WITH A THIRD PERSON! Thus Jesus clearly states that GOD IS MADE BY TWO PERSONS, in other words NO TRINITY EXISTS.
6. it's lying to state that THREE Persons are in heaven, when the gospels clearly state who is there:"ye shall see (1) the SON OF MAN sitting on the right hand OF (2) POWER and appearing in the clouds of heaven." Thus, they are TWO INSTEAD, but since the POWER is not God, ONLY ONE Person is really in heaven: Jesus. The Father is there ONLY IN THE FORM OF A SPIRIT.
THREE PERSONS ARE NOT IN HEAVEN, but the Trinity inventors don't care: they simply don't care, either of logic or scriptures.
"The Son of man shall come in the glory of His Father, with His angels ". Only the Son and the angels are there, no Father, no "Lord giver of life" !
The Trinity is a nonsensical invention, but Jesus is God (non-omnipotent) and He is the only Savior. Only Jesus and the Father are here ("I am not alone because the Father is with me"). However the Father is here only in the form of a spirit. ("God is a spirit"). He is the Holy Spirit.
AN ADDITIONAL REMARK:
"...the Spirit, LIKE a dove..." means that SURELY NO DOVE was there. Thus, representing the Holy Spirit by means of a bird is simply blasphemous.
the word god should be thrown out and the original words used only in the OT.. as for the new testament the word theos is used every time for 'god' so there is no way to determine which word it represents like in the OT... ie elohim, el, eloah, etc.. It is reasonable to 'assume' that most 'theos's' in the NT are akin to 'elohim' which is NOT YHVH... nowhere in the bible does it say Jesus is YHVH (the almighty) nor does it remotely imply it. Jesus is 100% man as scripture supports and is required for salvation... Making Jesus more than human ever, makes him no sacrifice therefore no salvation to any who believe he is more than human
The Greek was first then the masorites got their greedy little hands on it and changed it
Jesus revealed the Trinity
NO Gesù ha rivelato di essere figlio di DIO chiamando Dio suo padre e non di essere cosa dite voi !!!