The Eversolo DMP-A8. Revolutionary Masterpiece or Just Smoke and Mirrors?
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2023
- Mark puts the Eversolo DMP-A8 to the Test: Revolutionary Masterpiece or Just Smoke and Mirrors?
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I have been considering my first streamer/dac, and this has been 1st on my list. I like the size, inputs, and features.
Good morning and thank you for your comment. This would be first on my list without question, great streamer :). Cheers, Mark
@@EliteAudioUK Can the I2S be connected to an AVR HDMI input?
I understand the A8 does not do 5.1 multi channel but curious to know if there is any advantage to an I2S / HDMI connection if possible. Thank You.
Nice review
Hi Jonathan, thank you for the feedback, its appreciated. Cheers, Mark :)
You give it 9/10 both on streaming services and ease of use. Does this mean that it is now easy to add tracks from different streaming services into the play queue?
In general, how easy is it to manipulate the play queue e.g. moving, adding or removing tracks?
I saw your opinion compared to the Hi Fi Rose 150 below. I was wondering about your opinion on how it compares to the RS250A since they are closer price point wise? Thanks!
Time for the acid test: compare the Eversolo DMP-A8 with the Audiolab 9000n. Which is better in usability and sound quality?
Hi guys, returning Customer with my FM 50s sounding stunning. I thought a streamer would go well with them so on your spec and recommendation I’ve gone for it. Look forward to receiving the product and running them through my gato’s
Thank you so very much for your order, you won't be disappointed :) They should be here early next week,so we will keep you posted (Martyn is working on it now). Thanks again. Mark :)
Surprised you didn't test it with Gerry Cinnamon's work lol. How do you feel this A8 would partner with a Galion TS A75 amp? I'm thinking of getting into a hifi system with this set up. Maybe some Q acoustic concept 300's/50's/5050 with REL subs...
When doing the comparison with the master edition, were they used as streamer/dac/preamps? or was it a fair dac vs dac matchup? I do understand that the biggest difference of the a6 master and the a8 is the preamp section right? So without using them as preamps, is the upgrade still huge?
If you base ratings on price, you need to give some kind of price multiplier rating as well so we do know how it actually stacks up to the $10,000 item. Or just base everything on the same scale, price shouldn't matter. The customer can decide if the price is worth it after that.
Hello, and thank you so much for your feedback. When it comes to performance ratings, they are indeed contextual and linked directly to the product's price point. This approach is common across various platforms, including magazines and online resources. For instance, a device worth £10k with an 8/10 rating may outperform a £2k device rated 9/10. However, when considering a budget of £2k, the rating becomes relevant within that specific financial context. I trust this clarification helps. Cheers, Mark. :)
Great review- on my upgrade list now
Hi Mark thx nice review but I miss the new Lumin D3 which is close in price and got some superb reviews too. (Stereonet, Hifi Riff etc).
Good morning and thank you for your message. The D3 is good, but I prefer the A8 - its all subjective as we all like different things :) No bad choices here at all. Cheers, Mark :)
Very interesting detailed review. I request you to kindly make a comparison of A8 as streamer only with other streamers like Volumio Rivo. Looking forward for this new video. Thanks
Good morning and thank you for your comment and feedback. Yes indeed, thats on the to do list - will have a video on that in the new year. Cheers, Mark :)
Thanks for the prompt reply. DMP A8 has a great inbuilt linear power supply .The comparison would be fair if other streamers including Volumio Rivo is also powered with a good linear power supply.Hope this request will be considered.
I have one coming to match with my Advance Paris A12.
Good evening, I am writing from Italy, I watched the video and read all the comments. I'm also undecided between the Audiolab 9000N and the DMP-A8. I think I will choose Eversolo. I'll be driving it with an AudiaFlight FL3S and ProAc D-20 Ribbon speakers.
What do you think please?
Please do a video on the DSP function..
Good morning. That is on our to do list - its something that takes time to learn, but we will have it covered in the new year. :) Cheers, Mark
Thank you very much for this so enthusiastics review. I was prepared to upgrade my lumin d2 with the linear power supply ferrum hypsos and you make me hesitating by replacing simply my d2 with this all in one magic device. Can you give me your opinion about those two options, cheers, Eric
Hi Eric, thank you very much for your comments and feedback. Based on having spet a great deal of time with the A8, I'd buy that without hesitation. Its frankly one of the best of its type I have heard for a very long time. Cheers, Mark :)
Big plus for the A8 is sideloading. You can grab the APK files for Android apps and load them onto the A8. For exmaple i loaded Bandcamp on my demo unit, it doesn't look that great on a phone but better on a tablet. Works perfectly which is the main thing. Also appreciated being able to connect my TT into it aswell.
The nativ streaming services can’t cue a track to the playlist that you are listening to.😢
Hi @EliteAudioUK
I am very impressed about your very intersting and detailed review of DMP A8. Hope you will make a comparison video of A8 with other streamers as music transport only like Volumio Rivo. A8 has a good inbuilt linear power supply The comparison would be fairif other streamers are also sourced with a good power supply. I shall be eagerly waiting for this new interesting video. Thanks
Good morning and thank you for your comments. We have done some extensive listening tests against the others in our portfolio and that of our sister company too, hence we gave the A8 our product of the year :) Cheers. Mark :)
Hi! Can somebody tell me, please, is there MQA decoder, as it is in A6? Thank you! Great explanation as always, Mark, as always!
Hi Norman, thank you for your quesion - yes indeed, full MQA hardware decoding :) Cheers, Mark
Superb review!
Good morning and thank you, its appreciated. Cheers, Mark :)
As a PRE-AMP?? Your opinion?
Unfortunately it can´t do multichannel like the A6.
I have a question about the DIGITAL OUTPUT of the Eversolo A8. Does it output multi channel and ATMOS signals digitally so that I can use it to stream Apple Music ATMOS content to my Home theater controller (Yamaha CX A5100) which has a built in DAC that can decode such?
Hi Richard, many thanks for your message. The A8 does not output a Multi-channel signal. You would need to feed the signal directly to your Yamaha. Cheers, Mark :)
I own B&W floor speaker 704-s3 and which amplifie4 would pair well with the Eversolo and speakers?
Give the T+A A200 or also the SPL S800 a listen hour. Perhaps one is for the B&W. Lovely speaker by the way; I like them much more than the 804 D4
Wow! Eversolo is becoming the unicorn of streaming.
They listen to feedback and actually implement what people want. You even get a quality power supply out of the box with this beast.
They are starting to make big name streamer companies nervous. I bet when they release the master edition of the A8 it will battle with companies the likes of hifi Rose etc.
For the money it’s an unbelievable product and even without the price consideration it’s awesome.
Once in a generation product line.
These things are gonna fly off the shelves before they even get there!
I love your channel thanks for your take on this beauty piece of gear!🍻🍻🍻
Good afternoon and you are absolutely right. If I was the competition, I'd be very worried! Appreciate your comments on the channel, we are aiming to keep the content relevant and interesting :) Cheers, Mark
If you think about it there's really no need for the master because everything that was in the master edition of the A6 is already in the a8. And I've confirmed with Eversolo... no new product on the horizon. They had in mind from the get-go these two new products in different tiers... now that they're released & blowing everyone away, they can sit back and watch the $$ flow in :-)
I am just about to sell my Eversolo DMP A6 Master Edition as did not fit well sound wise within my current system. The new A8 does sound better )Had a demo one week ago not least because of the new Dec chips but still I have decided that I will be adding an Atoll SDA 200 (with inbuilt streamer). Great review.
Or the Atoll ST300 Signature in combo with the AM400 Signature - is on my short list 😊
Hi John and thank you for your comments. The A8 is quite a step up from the A6 ME as you heard for yourself. Enjoy your Atoll, great device :) Cheers, Mark
How does sonic performance compare to Audiolab 9000N using internal DAC ?
Hi Lars and thank you for the question. We just awarded the A8 with best streamer award under £3000 ;) Cheers, Mark
Where is the list of streamers that it beat to achieve product of the year? I’d be interested in how it would compare to the ND5XS2?
Good morning. We have compared it to those in our own portfolio and that of our sister company too. The Naim is not part of that line up, so I honestly cannot comment on how that would compare. My gut feel is that a streamer from a company that specializes with streaming devices only, should be better, as should the apps etc. I am sure the Naim is very good though :) Cheers, Mark
Great review. I’d like to know your opinion of using this as a streamer only into an external DAC. Does it upstage the DMP-A6 as a digital transport only? I have a Gustard R26 DAC that I love, but in the market for a better streamer than my current Wiim Pro.
Especially coming from the same company, if you're going to use this as a streamer only, in my opinion there's no need to update anymore than the base A6,.. digital out should be the same yet you get their awesome streaming system, one of the hardest things to get right by the manufacturers.
Good morning and thank you for the feedback. Thats on the to do list - i.e. to compare it with the A6 ME as a streamer only. Should have that in the new year :) Cheers, Mark
Good morning and thank you for hte comment. The basic A6 doesn't have the higher spec femto clocks in the Master Edition that give it the edge when used as a transport only. Cheers, Mark :)
@@EliteAudioUKthe Femto clocks do not make an advantage for transport only. But a linear power supply more so.
Looking forward to it - thanks Mark!@@EliteAudioUK
Thinking about its smaller brother as I only need a streamer, in the end I went with the Volumio Rivo that was on a good black Friday sale, will pair it with a better power supply when it arrives, I feel a bit hesitant to buy from Eversolo as it is a new company, at least here in Scandinavia and not sure how the build quality and after sale support will be!
I see you have Audial S5 there, have you reviewed their dac ?
Would be very interested in that as thinking about it replacing my Primare Dac30.
Good morning and thank you for your comment. The Audial S5 is one of the best in its class and if you see our awards video next week, you'll see why! ;) The Rivo is a great streamer, so good choice there. Thank you again for the feedback. Mark :)
@@EliteAudioUK hi and thanks for the reply, I just noticed your video unpacking and a early review of it , have been very interested in this dac, but one thing is holding me back a bit, the designer says it is not an dac one leaves on for long time as the Dac chip can get very warm!
You have experience that? I would like to use the Dac with my tv too, off course I could just get a cheap dac for that, but that would make two devices!
My take is to switch it off every night when it not being used. You will get many many years of use from that. I'm adding one to my own sysrem in the new year. :) Where are you based?
@@EliteAudioUK In Faroe Islands, so have to order direct. I really like the way a lot of care has been taken in making this dac, most of my system is made by one person or very small companies, feels good to support small businesses and craftsman/Women 😜
Good morning, if you are interested, we would be able to supply you directly. You can email me personally - mark@eliteaudiouk.com if I can help in any way :) Cheers, Mark
I wonder how the sound quality of the DMP-A8 internal DAC would compare to Lumin D3 internal DAC.
Hi Lars, that's a great question! Both the DMP-A8 and Lumin D3 are high-quality DACs, each with their own unique sound characteristics. The DMP-A8 uses AKM's top-of-the-line DAC chip which is known for its smooth and detailed sound reproduction.
The best way to compare would be through a direct A/B test in your listening environment, as personal preference plays a significant role in perceived sound quality. Also, remember that the overall system synergy, including the amplifier and speakers, will also impact the final sound.
I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions.
Cheers, Mark :)
How does it compare with the HiFi Rose 150B Reference Network Streamer ??? My best Dan
Good morning Dan, thank you for the message. The RS150B is better and it should be given the price differential. That said, the A8 is astonishing value for money and at an entirely different price point. Thanks again Dan...... Mark :)
👍 Nice review. How does it stack up against the new Audiolab 9000N?
I am also on the fence now, choosing between the 9000N, and this DMP-8. The 9000N DAC is based on dual ESS9038PRO chips, as is the Lumen X1 ($10K). I have not heard it, but it reviews very well. I am sure it is spectacular too, like this AKM based DAC in the DMP-8. Here’s the thing that is pushing me toward the DMP-8: the Eversolo allows external digital inputs to use the DAC as well. The 9000N does not accept digital inputs, such as a CD transport; the DAC is dedicated to the streaming sources. So, system integration allowed by the DMP-8 seems like a winner to me. Cheers.
Good morning and thank you for your comments. Both are great and if you heard the 9000N on its own, you'd love it. However, in my own opinion, I think the DMP-A8 edges it, hence it won our product of the year award for streamers up to £3000. The app on the Eversolo is also better in every respect too. Cheers, Mark :)
@@kemosabe551 I wouldn't be hung up over which DAC chip is inside a product. Like Mark mentioned, it's rather about implementation and the quality of the design and build. The Cambridge Audio Edge A uses an ESS Sabre DAC chip and sounds phenomenal. What I would question is the cost of the Lumin X1 and whether you feel that huge extra outlay is warranted given you can get outstanding SQ from a $2000 device that has so many features.
@@EliteAudioUK thank you for your response, I thought I was going to have to wait for next weeks video to find out! I'm surprised about the app being better. I know the Eversolo app is good as I have the A6. For now I'm using my A6 as a streamer only into my Edge A, and it sounds great. I love the Edge A has HDMI. it makes life so much easier and I can get rid of the old AVR. I really think Audiolab missed a trick not putting HDMI on the 9000N. Another tick for the A8.
@@elthamlad468 you are correct, we should not get hung up on the particular DAC chip - at this level it is more in the implementation and complete circuit solution. Can’t help it, being an EE by training, i need to understand the underlying technology. The point i was making is that since all these DAC solutions are wonderful, I will choose the DMP-A8 since i can also use it as a general purpose DAC to get the maximum benefit from my investment. Cheers.
@Elite Audio Hi I been thinking about getting the A8, but then I saw a comment below saying that the designer said the chip could get very warm, and then you wrote to him that maybe it would be a good idea to turn it off when not playing. If that is the case I dont think this product is for me :( I dont want to turn it off everytime im done playing, and then having to turn it on when I want to play, I want it to be ready at all times like I have with my current bluesound node 2i. Can you tell me if I have to turn it off or not ? At this price range they should have thought about that and added something to cool the chip down.
I asked bings AI for fun but not sure if it's true or not, this is what it said:
No, you do not have to turn off the Eversolo A8 when not playing music.
The Eversolo A8 chip is part of the digital power supply and it is designed to handle the complex processing and decoding tasks of the streamer. It has a built-in heat sink and a fan that can dissipate the heat generated by the chip. The fan is controlled by a smart temperature sensor that can adjust the speed and the noise level according to the ambient temperature and the workload of the chip. The fan is also very quiet and does not interfere with the sound quality of the streamer.
Therefore, you do not have to worry about the Eversolo A8 chip getting too hot or damaging the streamer. You can leave the streamer on standby mode when not playing music and it will consume very little power and generate very little heat. You can also use the remote control or the app to turn on or off the streamer as you wish
Good afternoon, and thank you for the question. The A8 can be left on 24/7 without issues. Our showroom model has been switched on since early December. No issues :) Cheers, Mark
@@EliteAudioUK Thx I also asked bings Ai who told me the same and that it had a cooling system so it would not be a problem to leave it on or on standby. Thx again.
How does it compare to a dcs network bridge?
Good afternoon :) I honestly have no idea. My gut feel is that Eversolo have crammed a LOT into the A8. It would be a fascinating comparison and I suspect the A8 would win through. Cheers, Mark
Ironically I went looking for this video earlier tonight in the States I've been waiting with baited breath for it to arrive....Only to be posted about an hour later. It didnt disappoint :)
The only thing the A8 is "missing" for features is they unfortunately substituted the unique multi-channel HDMI output of the A6 for a stereo i2s in the A8. I wish they would have kept *both* because at the moment I would use the former a lot more than the latter with my multi-channel DSD files.
My only hesitation is I have an Oppo 205 that literally does 90% what a streamer does....except stream Qobuz in high resolution. I also have a state-of-the-art Audio Research MP1 multi-channel preamp to couple with the multi-channel Oppo... So I would not use the preamp portion of this either. So now it's down to the streamer & DAC functions. From what I hear it's still worth it's asking price for those alone.
Streamers live and die by their streaming module and their app...and I hear nothing but good things about the Eversolo implementation. I mean who wants the monkey around with all those confusing Raspberry Pi "applets" if you don't have to. Don't get me started on the ridiculously expensive Roon, who's now been taken over by that shady, questionable-practice company that certainly leaves its future success very much up in the air. So many of the streamers out there (I'm talking to you Cary & Innuos... and even the iOS only Auralic leaves Android users out in the cold) fail miserably on that front.
Should be interesting to get your post holiday further comparisons. You should try to get the also-hot Gustard R26 (R2R DAC) and A26 (same chip setup as A8) to compare them against each other and the ES.
Good morning and thank you for your comment and feedback - to say I'm taken with it would be an understatement. The Eversolo APP is excellent and having used it at length, I can recommend it. (Roon does offer more, but its expensive and I note your comments about its new owner ;) ). Have a great festive holiday when it arrives and thank you again. Mark :)
I've got a DMP-A8 I'm about to return to DreamMedia... Let me know if you'd rather buy it so I can avoid the 15% restocking fee. For me, the sound just wasn't what I was looking for. I prefer the A6 for it's sharper treble presentation. The A8 is super smooth which doesn't suit my system.
@@loxxriderYeah...i hear ya... I always check to see what the restock fee is. What I do find pretty ridiculous is you would think open boxes or previous returns could be returned again with no restock fee because the box is already open but half the time those aren't returnable at all? I don't get that business practice.
Anyway, especially with audio equipment, a lot of shops like I'm sure Elite understand you have to try it in your own system because synergy is literally half the battle. In the case of the A8, it supposedly gets better and more revealing with burn in. Find out what the return days are & send it back at the very last minute. In the interim, run a burn-in on it 24 hours a day playing something constant and then see if the sound improves to your liking.
Ironically, I would probably get the A6 as well because of the HDMI multi-channel output (into my Oppo 205) since I have a whole lot of files in DSD64 mutichannel...that's for sure.
Also consider: it's already being back ordered so you should have no problem selling it on a free site like (Your Country) Audio Mart (aggregated by HiFishark) if you want to try to get full price. Shipping would be less than most restock fees.
@@scottmuhlbaier1945 all great points and advice, thank you! The worst thing is that this stuff has 50% margin or more in it for the dealers, so there's really no reason for the restocking fee. I get that it discourages people from buying with no intent to keep the equipment, but in my case the unit also has cosmetic issues and some software bugs that are more than mildly irritating (I can't even connect to the unit half the time). Despite that, I still get hit with the full restocking fee. Needless to say, I won't be doing business with that company anymore 🤷🏼♂️
@@loxxriderIf there's cosmetic issues alone, you should contact them about having a faulty unit. I read their return policy and I only see a restocking fee for projectors. If it's in pristine shape they should not charge that from what I read.. take them to town on it :) If you're in the US, a friend of mine is a full Eversolo dealer, as well as many other highly regarded brands. Hopefully Elite (in UK/Scotland) doesn't mind me relaying a US dealer here because I can't see many people ordering from the US that are in the UK...or visa versa :). Rob from Audio Art Cable (from my hometown in CA) is definitely someone you want to talk to if you're in the US . Tell him "Tall Scott" sent you :-)
Would appear to be one fine component.
Good morning - it really is! Cheers, Mark :)
How good is the pre amp section?
Hi Tony, many thanks indeed for the question. The answer is VERY good, hence it won our product of the year 2023. It wont beat say a £3k dedicated pre, however in the context of what it costs, its a remarkable piece of equipment. Cheers, Mark :)
How would you compare the A8 to the hifi rose RS 150 b?
Good question. Hopefully he answers since I own a Rose 150 and love it.
Good morning and thank you for the message. The RS150B is better, but as I said in another answer to Dan, the A8 is astonishing value for money. I own an RS150B and I love what it does. Cheers, Mark :)
Can the RUclips music app be downloaded into this device?
Good afternoon and thanks for the comment - as far as I know its not available currently. They may add it on a future update though. Cheers, Mark :)
@@EliteAudioUK Many thanks and Merry Christmas!
Would be nice to have a 12v trigger.
agreed :)
There is one, its located between Optical out and XLR R Input
Wait until the A12 pro plus mkII comes out next month
It's understandable to perceive the release of a new model so soon as an indication of inconsistency. However, it's essential to note that Eversolo are simply diversifying their product line to cater to different customer needs and budgets. Each model has its unique specifications and price points. It's all about giving consumers more options to choose from based on their specific needs and budget. Innovation and variety are key factors in a competitive market, and Eversolo is demonstrating just that. Cheers, Mark :)
Hey you skipped the A10 😅
I hope so.. waiting for the preamp with valves.. that will make a difference.. in A-9
How does it compare to the zidoo neo alpha?
Hi Martin, both different devices, if you don't need video processing then the A8 is better on 2ch audio :) Cheers, Mark
Besides being a grand more, it doesn't have as many audio options as this. Just get something like the z10 for the video side.
Looking forward to the DSP-test and report. There is sometihng to gain here. Especially for those og us with socalled "difficult rooms". I.e 97.5 % of the listeners....
I completely agree. Our video will help those who can make good use of that feature :) Cheers, Mark
So..... Do you like it?
I would still take the Hifi Rose over this one , pure on basis of the bigger screen and fact that you can stream RUclips without any adds. Eversolo missed here to make the screen bigger.
Which Hifi rose can you stream RUclips
The HiFi Rose is an excellent device, no bad choice there at all. Cheers, Mark :)
me too lol, only he-1 can make me 'sell' it
Congratulations on the flowery language 10 out of 10 from me🤣😂
Good morning. Percy Thrower would be proud ! Cheers, Mark :)
I wonder why if "It wants for nothing in terms of connectivity" you didnt give it a 10?
Hello Steve,
Thank you for your insightful comment. You're absolutely correct. While the device is indeed quite comprehensive in its connectivity options, it did fall short by not including AES/EBU inputs or outputs, which are critical for some users. This omission was the primary reason we deducted a point, bringing the score to 9/10.
We strive to give balanced and detailed reviews so that potential buyers can make informed decisions. Your question helps clarify this point further, and I appreciate your engagement.
Cheers
Mark :)
I would add the fact that it has no hdmi out (so one cant listen to multichannel audio through an HT), no balance control, (yes an external amp has that, but one would think as a "pre amp" it would have that, saves messing with other units, and not even on remote)...... and the kicker here is...... no headphone out..... i guess i will have to buy a "headphone dac" and connect that way.......
Thanks for all you do Mark, all of your work (and your teams) is greatly appreciated here..... Cheers,
Mcr UK.
Maybe its just me, but I’ve been afflicted on off with this disease called materialism somewhat related to enjoying music, and on earth for nearly 60 years now. Been lucky to spend too much money on trying to cure the disease, but one thing keeps coming to mind is you take high fidelity from 10, 20 even 30 year old stuff, and back then the experts said they were the truest to the original recording, A++++, A+, B - , golden, etc etc. We listen to the same today and its still getting better. Who knew vinyl, CDs and zappers are like fine wine, must be why original pressings are getting more expensive since they then seem sound better with time. Why dont we all wait for genius in 20 years to invent even better reproduction. The same recording will sound better than the original. Just buy buy buy. And here i just spent 10k on 2 cartridges today. They better sound better. All in good fun.
Good morning Pierre! Your message resonates with many of us, and I appreciate your candid reflections on the ever-evolving pursuit of audio perfection. It's a fascinating journey to observe how technologies from even 10, 20, or 30 years ago - once hailed as the epitome of high fidelity - continue to be refined and improved upon.
Indeed, like a fine wine, vinyl and even CD have matured over time. As you pointed out, perhaps this is why original pressings are becoming more valuable; they offer a unique sonic character that seems to only get better with age.
You've raised an interesting thought about waiting for future innovations. Perhaps in 20 years, we'll witness technological leaps that make our current audio systems seem rudimentary. However, part of the allure of this pursuit is experiencing the journey itself - the excitement of each new breakthrough, the anticipation of the next 'big thing', and the joy of hearing our favourite recordings in ways we never thought possible.
On a lighter note, congratulations on your new cartridges! With a significant investment like that, I'm sure they will add a new dimension to your listening experience. As we say in the audio world, 'the joy is in the journey'. So let's keep seeking, experimenting, and enjoying the ride. Here's to many more years of audio adventures!
Cheers
Mark :)
And in 3 days the A10 appears...100% rookie chinese company approach.
Good morning and thank you for your comment. It's understandable to perceive the release of a new model so soon as an indication of inconsistency. It's essential to note that Eversolo is not a rookie in this field. They are simply diversifying their product line to cater to different customer needs and budgets. Each model has its unique specifications and price points. If they do in fact release an A10 it will no doubt have its advantages at a much higher cost, but that doesn't diminish the value and quality that the DMP-A8 offers. It's all about giving consumers more options to choose from based on their specific needs and budget. Innovation and variety are key factors in a competitive market, and Eversolo is demonstrating just that. Cheers, Mark :)
Don't be butt hurt by new models.