Overcoming Delayed Sleep Phase: Expert Guidance

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  • Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024

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  • @dryishanxu
    @dryishanxu  7 месяцев назад

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  • @Cjewell0422
    @Cjewell0422 Год назад +51

    I can feel like a walking zombie all day pushing myself . I keep telling myself " it's almost bedtime & I'll be able to sleep soon." But when evening hits it's almost like a switch comes on and I feel energized and alive.

    • @knotwool
      @knotwool 5 месяцев назад +2

      You took the words out of my mouth. It’s torture. I binge sleep on the weekends and barely get anything done. When I retire, I plan to never see the sun, 😂

    • @Christina-t1b
      @Christina-t1b 4 месяца назад

      ​@@knotwoolAmen!

  • @IsisChandler3x3
    @IsisChandler3x3 Год назад +30

    Thank you. It is so refreshing to hear a medical doctor talk about this problem. I have a sleep window of 6am to 2pm. I have tried EVERYTHING under the sun to change it. Melatonin, light therapy, chronotherapy. Nothing works. My body wants to sleep when the sun comes up. Telling someone with DSPD to "just go to bed earlier" is like telling someone with an eating disorder to "just eat something," or "just stop vomiting". It is useless, annoying, offensive, bullshit advice! Also, people with DSPD are NOT LAZY! I work out every day. I run my own business and 2 youtube channels. I wrote a novel and am working on a second one. My house is always clean, organized, and dust free! My life is productive and happy because I sleep during my natural sleep window. I'm not going to give myself an addiction to sleep medications to fit myself into society's version of normal.

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  Год назад +2

      Thank you for sharing your own journey! If you ever want to come to my podcast sharing that to inspire more people out there, let me know! Would love to have you on the show: yishan@mindbodygarden.com

    • @IsisChandler3x3
      @IsisChandler3x3 Год назад

      @@dryishanxu Thank you so much. I'd love to.

    • @boingaon
      @boingaon 11 месяцев назад +2

      I’m desperate to find a way to replace my job. The conventional working hours have been slowly killing me. I’m running out of willpower/stamina.

    • @IsisChandler3x3
      @IsisChandler3x3 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@boingaon I suggest finding a restaurant or hotel job. They are always looking for people to work night shifts. Uber and other gig economy work is always available for people who need something asap. You can always work your own hours as an Uber or Uber Eats driver. That will allow you to start working a night job right now.

    • @wulfsorenson8859
      @wulfsorenson8859 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@boingaonworking evening or night shifts or running your own business are the only ways around this.

  • @mortygoldmacher
    @mortygoldmacher Год назад +18

    DSPS is far more prevalent among people with ADHD than among neurotypicals. I display both syndromes. My natural rhythm is sleeping from 5 am to noon. I'm at my mental peak from 11 pm to 3 am. Unfortunately, my quirky wiring made my life as a lawyer painfully difficult. I'm now retired and I let my body dictate my daily schedule.

    • @ariannashrum9068
      @ariannashrum9068 5 месяцев назад

      Same. My natural rhythm is 4-5am until 12-1pm

    • @threeofeight197
      @threeofeight197 4 месяца назад

      I wonder if my adhd would be cured if I was just allowed to sleep in my 2-10am window.

    • @mortygoldmacher
      @mortygoldmacher 4 месяца назад

      @threeofeight197 Your ADHD symptoms would be better managed because you wouldn't be tired all the time.

  • @Mideezhanti
    @Mideezhanti Год назад +10

    This is so validating and eye opening. I am in the middle of yet another 3 week spread of "insomnia", but now I really think it could be dsps. I cried when she said that waking at 7 in the morning is like forcing ourselves to wake up in the middle of the night, because it's so true!! Thank you so much for your work.

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  Год назад

      Thank you for sharing your experiences! I am so happy this brings something new to you :)

  • @harmonys965
    @harmonys965 Год назад +8

    It’s so nice to hear from someone who both has DSPD and is a professional. A lot of people don’t understand this disorder or can’t wrap their mind around it, and there’s a lot of stigma of being lazy/unmotivated/undisciplined. My natural cycle is 6am-2pm sleep and fighting it is SO HARD, sometimes impossible. If I do light therapy, timed small-dose melatonin, and timed diet and exercise I can manage waking up at 10am… but missing one or two nights snaps me back to 6-2 :(
    It’s made life very hard, and working even harder. Plus, going against the 6-2 results in physical and mental struggles found in night shift workers (mental health issues, digestive issues, poor stress management, weakened immune system). DSPD totally sucks!!

  • @fuzzylogics139
    @fuzzylogics139 11 месяцев назад +7

    Wonderful to listen to you two. I’ve had this since childhood. When finally a neurologist told me “you have DSPD and it would be better for you to adjust your life than to keep on trying to change your sleep pattern” I cried in relief. At that time it was not possible to adjust my life yet because my child was too young to go to school by herself. But even just the affirmation finally after life long torture of not sleeping enough and hearing “ 🥸just go to bed early” by all these wellmeaning but ignorant people, the shame, and all the mental and physical troubles that arose from 2/3 hours sleep on a regular basis. FINALLY someone told me basically that she understood!
    I now years later only take on jobs that I can work from afternoon till evening. It’s still not the best since I need to get my groceries on time and shops close early and the rest of the world has a different scedule. But it’s a world of difference from the endless pain of too little sleep, sleeping through alarms and being late and the shame that comes from that..
    thank you ladies for this podcast, many many thanks! 🍀❤️

  • @samphonnetgamgee5625
    @samphonnetgamgee5625 3 месяца назад +2

    Good luck (to us all) finding a job and taking care of a family.

  • @beautyforashesisaiah6137
    @beautyforashesisaiah6137 Год назад +4

    Thank you ladies so much!! Years and years of "insomnia" but I am learning it's DSPS. It explains so much. I woke up today around 6pm and will probably fall asleep around 6am! It has been so hard to keep a "regular" hour job and I've felt so much shame about this. Thanks again!

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  Год назад +1

      Thank you for your reply! I just interviewed someone with DSPS and shared how she creates a life that she likes, here is the link to the podcast, and I will edit and put the whole videos over here later: www.deepintosleep.co/episode/dspd

    • @michaela8390
      @michaela8390 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@dryishanxu Thank you very much for sharing your experiences. That's exactly how I feel. If you can't understand it, I can explain it like this. Imagine someone wakes you up while you're in a deep sleep and tells you, you have to get up! You are a zombie! That's what happens to us, and it's terrible. You can only adapt your internal clock to your everyday life. Conversely, it doesn't work.

  • @preetispurpose
    @preetispurpose Год назад +7

    Thanks for this great video!!! Dr. Silverman it's so helpful to hear a medical professional who has DSPS talk about it and all the challenges; instead of someone who is just giving advice from a book/research. Dr. Xu you're an amazing moderator and the questions you ask and stereotypes you challenge are so affirming. Thank you both for addressing the shame folks like me feel around this disorder. 🙏💨 💙

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  Год назад +1

      Thank you for your feedback. I am glad that this helps! You can find other interviews and all future interviews on the "deep into sleep" podcast, and I will edit video interviews to shorter videos in another youtube channel "mind body garden psychology". Hopefully these information will continuously benefit more people :)

    • @maybelikealittlebit
      @maybelikealittlebit Год назад +2

      I totally agree with this comment!

    • @Andamayf
      @Andamayf Год назад +4

      I’ve apologized my whole life about sleeping during the day. How liberating to finally get diagnosed with delayed circadian rhythm disorder.

  • @wulfsorenson8859
    @wulfsorenson8859 8 месяцев назад +2

    Unfortunately the only way round this in most cases is night shifts or running your own business working your own hours. I was never able to hold down a day job and i found even with enough sleep during the night i still felt trashed during the day.

    • @justinbeard2024
      @justinbeard2024 6 месяцев назад

      Yup, I may have this, in addition to complex PTSD. Generalized anxiety disorder, and Bi Polar... sleeping is a nightmare

  • @boingaon
    @boingaon 11 месяцев назад +2

    I’ve finally found it. Thank you for this. The words perfectly describe me. In fact, people could use your video transcription to explain to friends/family/coworkers what they couldn’t previously find the words for.
    I’m desperate to find an income source that defies the conventional working hours.
    Would getting a proper diagnoses possibly help convince an employer to accommodate? What type of practitioner even knows about this?

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  11 месяцев назад +2

      Oh great to hear that this is helpful to you. You can go to a sleep doctor from a good sleep center, or behavioral sleep medicine specialist to help you with the diagnoses. Here is the national database to find a well trained board-certified behavioral sleep medicine specialist: www.behavioralsleep.org/index.php/united-states-sbsm-members

    • @emilybjorklund6290
      @emilybjorklund6290 10 месяцев назад

      I am also searching for a career or job to accommodate this. I'm a zombie throughout the week ans so anti productive :( I hate it. All I can do is my job and nothing else 😪My social life is obsolete from this disorder because I'm constantly in this tired state :( Weekends I feel great...I love working though, but this schedule hurts.

  • @Cjewell0422
    @Cjewell0422 Год назад +2

    I'm realizing this is me. I've always felt super guilty pushing myself to get out of the bed super early. If I sleep 10-11 am on weekends I just can't help but tell myself " get up stop being lazy." The only time I feel alive and not like a zombie is in the nighttime. I also rarely get into rem/deep sleep through the night. But if I sleep on my own schedule my body has no issues getting into rem/ deep sleep. It's awful feeling like the walking dead and pushing itself all day. I also have thyroid issues that do not help. I had a thyroidectomy cause cancer & im in hyperthyroidism.

  • @Markzfilter
    @Markzfilter 2 месяца назад

    I acquired this condition after military service. I worked a rotating work schedule (shift-work) for 2.5 years. The schedule was 4 days from noon-8pm, one day off, 4 days from 8pm-4am, three days off. I was diagnosed with chronic insomnia. Then for 7 years, I traveled internationally and was diagnosed with Circadian Rhythm Sleep Disorder - Jet Lag type. Now, as a software engineer with a steady sleep schedule, I now know it’s a life long condition and I get to enjoy Delayed and Advanced Delayed Sleep Phase Disorders. It affects work and family. Trying to learn more about managing this condition.

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  2 месяца назад

      Thanks for sharing! I hope your shared experience can inspire others and bring hope to those who are struggling 👍

  • @maybelikealittlebit
    @maybelikealittlebit Год назад +5

    What a wonderful podcast! Love this thank you again for posting this. Just found out about this.. not for certain if I have it but it sure fits as it’s 1 am now and I just hate waking up early/don’t want to sleep til 12-2 am! It’s crazy how I’ve always been like that too (as DR Sarah says!) super wonderful to relate so well. Thanks again. (:

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  Год назад +1

      Thank you! I am glad it is helpful :)

  • @peggy0400
    @peggy0400 7 месяцев назад +1

    I was diagnosed with DSP and it is torture when I cannot sleep the hours I’m supposed to. It’s just not healthy for people with DSP to try to sleep “normal hours”

  • @Masi.Capone
    @Masi.Capone 10 месяцев назад +1

    Going outside in the morning for some direct sunlight wouldn't always be an option. In the winter, someone who wakes up around 6am won't see any daylight until around almost 8am, and even if that's not an issue, it can be excruciatingly cold.

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  10 месяцев назад

      That is a great point! There are also some products such as light boxes to help us to get exposure to similar light exposure to help us wake up as needed.

  • @atitapouki980
    @atitapouki980 10 месяцев назад

    "The biggest thing is actually being able to have flexibility in my jobs"
    So basically, no real cure, we actually need to tough it up sometimes.
    Made me cry a bit, but also relieved me a bit.
    This could actually help.
    Thank you

  • @soraya4957
    @soraya4957 3 месяца назад

    I'm a night owl, never was able to sleep before 1 am. This was ok for about 25+ years, but during the last years it shifted to 4 am or later, tending to 5 am. I have children to bring to school/preschool, which is really challenging. I usually feel very tired around 8 pm, when they go to bed. It happens a lot that I fall asleep after reading them stories. But after one hour to three hours I wake up. Or I'm tired the whole evening but when I lay down I'm no more tired at all.

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  3 месяца назад

      Thanks for sharing, that sounds very challenging. I think there are methods to help you shift the schedule and re-adjust your activities before bedtime. Please consider consulting with a sleep specialist locally, it may be helpful.

  • @solomonkalit5119
    @solomonkalit5119 3 месяца назад

    Thanks - great advise and interview.

  • @Ghost-mg5xz
    @Ghost-mg5xz Год назад +2

    Good information xie xie ni.

  • @Zendruid77
    @Zendruid77 8 месяцев назад +1

    As someone who's had DSPS pretty much all their life, (starting as an adolescent or earlier), and only a few years ago learning this exists as a "medical condition" that has a name and field of study, I've faced a lot of misunderstanding and sometimes outright discrimination for being an inflexible "night owl" who can't change her schedule. I also see that most current medical recommendations for DSPS is to try to "convert the patient to a sleep phase closer to societal norms". And that's when my brain screams, "Why?!" Why for the love of all sanity would or even should someone force themselves against their natural rhythm?! In what universe does that make sense or sound healthy?
    Think about it, this "condition" has been learned to have a genetic marker. Back when we were cavepeople, someone would have to take the night shift, in order to protect the tribe as they slept. Throughout generations of evolution, what if this is just one of the variations of natural diversity? What if this is not an "illness", and what if we were not treated as such, but rather accepted and encouraged? Only in the very recent, 9 to 5 corporate world does this become an issue. And lest the 9 to 5 corporate world forget, there are plenty of us night workers and security workers still keeping the workings of the tribe going, and keeping the tribe protected while they sleep!
    Edit: I hadn't gotten far enough in the video yet before posting. I'm glad you touched on this!

  • @TheLibraryCop3000
    @TheLibraryCop3000 8 месяцев назад

    I have adhd and anxiety. Also due to trauma I’ve always lived with a form of functional depression. I’ve always had night owl tendencies but in 2019 I started to study until 3-4am and going to work during the day. When the pandemic began my sleep only got worse. As a result my depression worsened and I feel hopeless. It’s affected my family life, I’ve lost jobs, friends, and it’s plain lonely and the sense of shame is overwhelming. I went to a neurologist that recommended CBT-I and that was an expensive waste of time back in 2021. It’s now 2024 and last “night” I went to sleep close to 7:00am and woke up at 3:00pm thanks to an alarm. I can’t keep doing this to my husband and to my children…most doctors in my area have no idea about DSPD. I’m in the Raleigh area and I’m desperately seeking help.

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  8 месяцев назад +1

      sorry to hear about your challenging journey. I guess it is not CBT-I method is bad, maybe just the provider did not have enough knowledge about DSPD, so they did not tailor that treatment to meet your unique needs. You can search Dr. Silverman's practice and contact her to see whether she could help you out.

    • @TheLibraryCop3000
      @TheLibraryCop3000 8 месяцев назад

      @@dryishanxuthank you for your reply. It’s nice to feel heard

  • @grinn_85
    @grinn_85 10 месяцев назад

    This is very informative. I am bringing this info to my Dr.

  • @lynncrf
    @lynncrf 9 месяцев назад

    In high school my results were a mixture of As and Cs. I did really well in the subjects like history where you could work at your own pace at home. However not so well at the ones where you actually had to learn from the teacher as I was always sleep deprived at school.
    I am in college now and have been getting firsts the whole time. Everyone in my class is always telling me how smart I am. The difference is literally night and day. I actually didn't know I was smart. My intelligence was masked by sleep deprivation.

    • @dryishanxu
      @dryishanxu  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for sharing your experience! Glad to hear you find a space to let yourself shine!

  • @bojanavuksanovic
    @bojanavuksanovic 6 месяцев назад

    I really don’t like how you call that condition “debilitating”. I had that “condition” for years and I feel anything but debilitated by it. I work through the night and I am super productive, even more than some morning people that I know. Also I feel pretty great and get very good sleep and rest, just I go to sleep between 4-6am. The only “debilitating” thing about it is that I manage to avoid (as added benefit) lots of real debilitated idiots that I would come across in standard 9-5 office job.

    • @soraya4957
      @soraya4957 3 месяца назад

      If I would have the chance to adjust my life to fit my sleeping pattern I wouldn't call it debilitating. But with small children who need care in the (really early! 7 am!) morning it is! I can't do my chores without waking them up during the night. So I'm not really productive.

    • @bojanavuksanovic
      @bojanavuksanovic 3 месяца назад

      @@soraya4957 yes with children it is impossible to adjust to nighttime as, as you said they wake up and have to go to school regardless early morning.. I really don’t know how you manage - it must be pretty difficult!!.. I only have a dog who loves night walks.. and just likes walks any time and likes sleeping also at any time.. and I work from home..

    • @bojanavuksanovic
      @bojanavuksanovic 3 месяца назад

      @@soraya4957 I am not sure that I would ever manage with small children.. 😨🫣 You sure are doing a great job..

    • @soraya4957
      @soraya4957 3 месяца назад +1

      @@bojanavuksanovic My daughters wake me up before they leave for work/school, I have two alarms set and when the little ones have left the house I go straight back to bed again. Luckily none of them is a morning person, they don't want breakfast or conversation. :)

    • @bojanavuksanovic
      @bojanavuksanovic 3 месяца назад

      @@soraya4957 Still.. you deserve a medal 🏅 💫🌟