Helen Palmer ‘The Enneagram - Gateway To Spiritual Liberation’ Interview by Iain McNay
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2014
- Helen Palmer ‘The Enneagram - Gateway To Spiritual Liberation’ Interview by Iain McNay
Author of 'The Enneagram: Understanding Yourself and the Others in Your Life' and 'The Enneagram in Love and Work: Understanding Your Intimate and Business Relationship' as well as other books on the Enneagram. In this interview she talks about how she first heard of the Enneagram and met with Claudio Naranjo in the 70s. At the time there were very few teachings that included the mystical realms along with a psychological understanding. She explains how the Enneagram can provide important pointers to the barriers to spiritual liberation. Self-observation and self-reflection are key as is concentration and witnessing consciousness.
The transcript of this interview is available to view here.
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This is perfectly brilliant. Be sure to watch BOTH interviews with Helen . Absolutely worth your time......
"The Will is not involved in Letting Go" ~ Helen Palmer
(So insightful)
Fantastic dialogue. I'm so fond of Helen Palmer.
51:46 “It’s a faculty of human perception that operates by reflection, rather than conditioned apprehension”
'Observer is the observed. When you give complete attention, there is no observer at all. It is the observer that breeds fear because the observer is the centre of thought, it is the self. When there is no thought, there is no observer. That is not a blank state. That demands a great deal of inquiry, never accepting anything.' K
51:18 shoutout to the lady in the back who laughs when Helen says “I don’t want to get into that”
I hope the meditation she did at the end has positive long-term effects. I've trained my attention to seek out the tension, but yes, i just plateau there. Nothing happens except a breath and then i forget what I'm doing and move on to something else. Ive never felt a long term benefit, or even a melting away of the tension that teachers say we're to experience with attention. In fact in my forties, ive developed anxiety, which speaks to how little i get out of just resting my attention on the tension.
Helen, you have fulfilled your true reason to be. A most
courageous soul who persevered and didn’t give up.
A searcher who enriched us all. From another 6 I know how difficult the task.
pure brilliance, thank you Helen for all your wisdom and the wonderful meditation too.
The transcript of this interview is available to view here.
www.conscious.tv/text/71.htm
What a marvelous dialogue and interview. Thank you🙏
Excellent program
Brilliant. Thank you.
What a great human.
amazing interview!
Very interesting thank you both
As other comments, this interview is very insightful. In the meantime, the meditation demonstration is very hypnotic.
This is exactly what I needed to see today. Great video, thank you.
Sure would like to hear more of her part 2 "Vice to Virtue" at 55:34 on all of the types - (I am not a 2 type, yet it was helpful just to hear her go through the thoughts and relaxing into for the 2! )
What she said is very similar to Advaita Vedanta. Witnessing consciousness = the Self which is free from Jiva = the person.
Without knowing it, she has come to the same conclusion. But she misunderstood that witnessing consciousness is a capacity of the brain . Anyway,it was very interesting and useful to this interview because it gave me a short history of enneagram which has freed me from the spell of enneagram.
I know this is an old comment, hope you're still about. What do you mean you are free from the spell of the enneagram?
Conversion, is very useful 🥰
As a student of the east coast school, I understand there was some competition or rancor between her school and the one in New York. I regret the fact that i may have picked up on some kind of prejudice against her, however slight. I can't believe i missed out on this wisdom all these years. Whether it was sexism or just early- days enneagram competition, i regret any participation i may have had in it.
She seems more like an 8 or 1 to me. Great talk!
I agree. I was thinking 1, but the anxiety she had to contend with in her youth definitely says 6. My thought is she is now an integrated or “redeemed” 6 which takes on the energy of mature 9. We are likely seeing the 8 and 1 wings from this.
This a good example of the poor inter-rater reliability of the enneagram which is why Helen Palmer is part of only a minority of psychologists to support the enneagram, and is completely wrong.
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We must distinguish the Enneagram of Personalities as a limited description of the entirety of the Enneagram understanding.
@ minute 24, Iain McNay speaks of a technique he forgot its name. It is called "Remote Viewing".
The Men Who Stare At Goats
At ~23:00, this indeed sounds like Remote Viewing, which Ian was alluding to.
An interesting take on these Enneagram types! Thanks for sharing to inspire my MBTI channel. Randomly discovered your channel through the RUclips algorithm! 🤟🤟🤟
1.Pythagorean Tetractys
1.Combines 3 & 7
1.Three
1.The Divine Triangle 345
2.Pythagoras’s Theorem
2.Seven
1.The Octave
2.Nine-Point Circles
1.Zero Lined of Abraham ibn Ezra
2.Four Lined of Leonhard Euler
3.Twenty Seven Lined of Raymon Llull’s Diagram A (Reciprocal Maintenance)
3.Regular Enneagrams
1.Ramon Llull (Diagram T)
2.Athanasius Kircher
4.Tetragrams
1.The Great Magical Arcanum of Eliphas Levi
2.The Magic Arcanum of Madame Blavatsky
5.Karppe’s Tree of Life Reversed
6.Irregular Hexad, 1 ÷ 7 = 0.142857
What is this that you speak of ?
This is highly developed new age occultism. Please go watch
The Origins of the Enneagram - Marcia Montenegro and
Origins of the Enneagram - with Claudio Naranjo
He admits most of his people characteristics came through automatic writing, ie channeling
Yes! Listening to Cultish podcast with Marcia now and wanted to see who Helen Palmer is
But it works and is true and not a deceptive lie. I have never seen anything more accurate than the enneagram on personality.
42:36 “or”
40:36 LOL "Because the big question is..."
indeed!
(I am also a 6 type, counterphobic)
me too.
Is sensory somatic therapy a part of the occult?
First acquaint yourself withe meaning of occult; some mumbo, others jumbo.
Beautiful! I interpret using will as resisting what is: 44:30
The aborigines use the method in their focusing on a dot that is followed by the carved shape and the discipline of remaining with one colour until returned to the start.
Who told you that"e aborigines(original to where?) use the method in their focusing on a dot that is followed by the carved shape and the discipline of remaining with one colour until returned to the start,"and why do you believe them?
This is just so creepy😮
Remote Viewing is the technique Iain can't remember.
This guy looks like Mr. Nobody
I believe he is Mr Nobody's first cousin. The whole family are Nonentities.
Very interesting thank you both