Finally, THE BIG PICTURE. I don't know how her brain holds so much information! She boils it all down, extracts the essence, and dispels all the illusions we entertain about the future and how we get out of our predicament. Hers may not be the last word, but it's the closest this series has come. At least she doesn't see extinction (of humans) as the end point, and provides a glimmer of hope that IPCC projections (computer models) are faulty. It's a shame that governments can't do the bare minimum she suggests, but it's understandable why politicians are incapable of providing leadership. Voters don't want to hear the truth or see the version of "the truth" that they've always been taught destroyed.
We will still have the dirty ugly industrial civilisation running on fossil fuels in 2030 in 2050 in 2080 and so on ... As if solar panels and windmills and wow greenwash energy comes from the stars
"Wet bulb temperature" is the phrase Alice was trying to remember at 15:55. That's when the temperature and humidity are simultaneously so high that the body can't cool itself down. Your risk of death skyrockets if you can't get relief.
Its so nice to hear from Alice. I will be getting her book. The only sustainable answer is for everyone to learn to use less and for the grid to go away not be rebuilt. Every home should produce what it uses. If there is no grid, there can be no grid failure.
Thank you for this mind expanding talk, very good exchange and first time listening to Ms. Friedermann and have read much of her work. Have subscribed and will continue listening to your interviews....important ...
Nicely done....Tim Garrett, then Alice Friedemann - two of the three most intelligent and honest collapsitarian scholars you could have interviewed! Add Tyson Yunakporta to complete the trifecta.
@@PlanetCritical He may be hard to reach (he is on LInkedIn), but he'd be well worth the effort. The indigenous perspective he presents in his "yarns" and book (as a professor who reads books for a living, I think his book Sand Talk is one of the most important and interesting books I've ever read) is not a "nice add-on", but truly an essential perspective in conceptualizing how we can ever hope to make it through what he calls "the 1000 year clean-up'" which will characterize this millennium.
Best talk! Thank you for everything Alice!🥳 Glad you mention nuclear poison disposal, insulation and organic gardening as the top priorities. I will add that grain is destroying the land and our bodies so i would skip that crap all together. Other seed that are less harmful , more nutritious and more suited to permaculture bio diverse gardens are available such as hempseed
“There are many things we could do with our remaining energy for future generations but we aren’t doing it.” Worse, we are spending it on Christmas ornaments and Christmas PJs and big stuffed animals. My heart breaks.
Yes, I believe that Alice Friedemann is correct, it's an energy crisis. I heard others talk about an energy cliff, and I suspect that we have already entered that and that politicians are using the pandemic for managed degrowth to tackle the problem. I'm optimistic about the future though!
but she doesn't think extinction is a possibility, however inevitably the stress of depopulation will create the existential crisis that that we haven't even begun to fear
@@jthadcast I think we as humanity will manage the situation, but yes, definitely really scary, and politicians etc can't directly tell us the public if there is such crisis, because it could cause too much disruption in society.
According to David Spratt the IPCC is co-opted by governments and corporate interests. IPCC reports can only be released on the full agreement of parties involved. They have being playing down the alarmism to satisfy these interests for years.
Thank’s Rachel Donald for another interesting conversation, I’m working my way through the Doomersphere, not as an optimist looking for easy solutions, or a pessimist, but as true Doomer having seen the light (checkout Prof. Eliot Jacobson), and so as result was prepared mentally for what’s to come due to Meta and Polycrisis we (humanity) now finds itself in, I came across Alice Friedemann’s book’s and hence viewed this video, Alice didn’t disappoint. But I’d like to recommend a couple of videos which I think add strength and complement Alice’s work:- 1. “Dr Charlie Hall How much oil remains for the world to produce” 2. “Jack Alpert -- Civilization's “Running Out of Gas” [Gasoline] Story” And lastly a name which you Rachel mentioned in passing, Nate Hagens of “The Great Simplification”🤔
good info- but i don't think we will stay below 1.5 deg. and even that will trigger the many feedback loops- and it that happens nothing we can do will stop it !!! so we need to wake up and first pass a Carbon Tax and a Wealth Tax- combined call it an Eco Tax.
@@jthadcast ya- its not looking good- i was an architectural designer/draftsman for 15 years (specializing in passive solar home design- which i learned from being a Vista volunteer in Santa Fe, NM. working for the NM Solar Energy Assoc.) but finally gave up about 10 years ago due to lack of interest in the buying public who only wants a conventional under insulated, glass everywhere and facing the best vies- around here is west (Bend, OR.) which is the worst for summer overheating. and this stupid building is still going strong. so we are stuck with that bad design now for 100+ years!! its a good time to be old! LOL
@@markschuette3770 ... like minds and experience. i spend a good portion of my remodling time swearing at stick frame construction conventions or where a builder saved $100 in 1992 that guarenteed the black mold problem and high energy bills today. then again modern passive construction does price out all but the top 10% but only because the market is in control of development. shady deals are the way to deep reductions in material costs, volume and growth.
One emerging renewable energy technology is a new microwave, drilling technique that makes drilling to depths anywhere to capture geothermal energy possible. This means geothermal could be installed away from geologically active areas. There’s a test plant in operation in Nevada right now that Google has built and the current administration in the US has provided funding for more test plants.
Alice is missing information, we can grow food easily without the Haber-Bosch process. Chemical fertilizer is only essential to keep the largest landowners hoarding the land and forcing people to become desperate consumers. Sorry.
I'm commenting as I follow along btw. I just had the most expensive but also most efficient natural gas furnace installed into the house fall of '21 because of learning from people like Alice. I've read her articles on the website she posts on for a long time. House has also been fully insulated years ago. The price of natural gas is now increasing fast this winter, might pay that furnace and insulation off much sooner than anticipated...
If temperatures go up to 2, permafrost will unfreeze and temperature will go up regardless of more fossil fuels... and AMOC might stop... and the forest will be gone. So even if fossil fuels are gone by then, that will not stop temperature rise.
When is nuclear waste no longer waste? Answer: When after it burns up 100% of its fuel it must separate all of its it's differing fission products into separate containers. When the fuel it burns is fission-ed 100%. When the fuel is found in abundance in every piece of soil and is a waste product of mining for other materials being used in industry.. When the reactor cannot have a melt down because the fuel is already melted down. When the reactor does not require steam under pressure to transfer heat to the power generation process but rather runs under high temperature & low pressure.. When a carbon dioxide turbine can be used in the process to produce electric energy conversion with efficiencies up to 40%. When the waste heat can be used to distill sea water. When the nuclear waste produced in different streams is small and the products are small and concentrated and the longer lasting ones which are a small fraction of other streams only last 300 years in the ground then are dead instead of millions of years. When present day nuclear waste can be added in small quantities to the fuel and be burned to produce added energy and dispose of them. When the reaction is self regulated. When the reaction can only be sustained when low energy neutrons. When the fuel is liquid. When the fuel separated from the moderator STOPS the reaction dead and when in some remotely possible unforeseen emergency drains harmlessly into tanks where it may then be reheated and pumped back into the reactor when the problem is fixed. I know it sounds complicated but in fact it is elegantly simple. The original nuclear power pioneers wanted to give this to us. These also were the inventors of what was given to us because of the demands of the military to make bombs to kill us instead of power to provide our energy needs. These pioneers did not like the poorer solution and when the world took the unsustainable path some of them were set aside. These were Alvin Weinberg, Eugene Wigner & Glenn Seaborg. They wanted to give to us a reactor that was fueled by thorium which is found in abundance instead of U235 which is about as abundant as gold or platinum. ruclips.net/video/xBmk7t5K35A/видео.html ruclips.net/video/tyDbq5HRs0o/видео.html Unfortunately because the public has atomic bombs and making bombs from the thorium / u233 cycle was not feasible the military pushed for the present day pressurized water reactors that need water to keep them cool.
there is a naturally stable point, that is where the distribution % is close to the background noise. i believe this will be called the fukushima method of waste disposal and long term population control.
Thoriumn reactors only work for short periods before the steel of the reactor vessel and pipes becomes weakened by the liquid sodium and radiation. They are not a solution.
@@Withnail1969 We are not talking liquid sodium which is quite frankly INSANE ruclips.net/video/X4aVueFmOHo/видео.html You are obviously trying to conflate this issue setting up a straw man. I think Bill Gates is in favor of sodium which is plain nuts. We are instead talking about a mixture of lithium and beryllium fluoride which can be melted in a test tube. Stainless steel called hastalloy N was the material to circulate it and keep it confined. The concept worked well then they nixed it in favor of the stupid solid fuel water reactors that they had to keep under pressure then after a mere 1 to 2% of the fuel was burnt they discard the whole thing as nuclear waste..
The nuclear waste is something James lovelock who is unfortunately dead at age 103 and was an independent scientist said they where allowed to store it on his garden and also the Fukushima meltdown does not seem to cause cancer and death in the superpopulated Japan. At least the area of tjernobyl which has been abandoned by humans is the most thriving area for wildlife and nature. I do think massive suffering is and was always present. But often not exposed by the main stream big business finance media who is ignoring how much other fellow humans and other species and farm animals and fish and wildlife and insects are suffering our exploitative abusive nature. Like Rachel said in another episode "we are like an embryo scratching and devouring our womb
When the TRUCKS STOP RUNNING! Ha ha ha ha? Where oh where are the ELECTRIC TRUCKS Alice? I guess once a doomer, always a doomer? Janus converts any Semi under 10 years old to be a full electric truck. They're able to carry 100 tons where Tesla only carries 40. Australia has VAST distances requiring bigger tucks. If you owned a freight company, would you want to buy 2.5 Teslas and hire 2.5 drivers to move the same freight? Or in the outback Road Train market - buy 4 Teslas and hire 4 drivers? How do they make the battery last so long? They don't! They swap it after just 500 to 600 km for a fresh fully charged battery! The company plans to charge the batteries from the warehouse roof! Sure they're just getting started - but the physics works. Solar WORKS. A big enough WAREHOUSE ROOF can run these tucks. It's like having an oil refinery on your roof. Need more batteries? Then BECAUSE the battery swaps are in country areas in between the big cities - land is cheap. Buy a neighbouring paddock and build a solar farm! The extra batteries you charge during the day will get swapped out that night. They're looking at doing AUSSIE ROAD TRAINS that carry 200 TONS! ruclips.net/video/aizG265NeII/видео.html www.januselectric.com.au/ www.smh.com.au/business/companies/entrepreneur-big-trucks-big-savings-big-electric-plans-20220811-p5b91o.htmlwww.januselectric.com.au/
@@eclipsenow5431sorry but their home page has zero real data...it's just common usual marketing "our product is amazing, there isn't any disadvantages, it's like magic" not a single technical word, no clue on how much miles per charge, peak of power in watts, basic structure of the battery to know why it's so miracuolus...it smells like a scam from every POV.
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Finally, THE BIG PICTURE. I don't know how her brain holds so much information! She boils it all down, extracts the essence, and dispels all the illusions we entertain about the future and how we get out of our predicament. Hers may not be the last word, but it's the closest this series has come. At least she doesn't see extinction (of humans) as the end point, and provides a glimmer of hope that IPCC projections (computer models) are faulty. It's a shame that governments can't do the bare minimum she suggests, but it's understandable why politicians are incapable of providing leadership. Voters don't want to hear the truth or see the version of "the truth" that they've always been taught destroyed.
I agree, John. Alice is fantastic and it was thrilling to interview her-and find hope in what she says!
We will still have the dirty ugly industrial civilisation running on fossil fuels in 2030 in 2050 in 2080 and so on ... As if solar panels and windmills and wow greenwash energy comes from the stars
"Wet bulb temperature" is the phrase Alice was trying to remember at 15:55. That's when the temperature and humidity are simultaneously so high that the body can't cool itself down. Your risk of death skyrockets if you can't get relief.
are we there yet?
@@jthadcast If we were, you wouldn't be reading this now.
Paul Beckwith just did a wet bulb vid
In places we are. I don't know for how long, but people are dying from the heat.
@@davidpeppers551that's the fun part. Sea level around Persian Gulf has functional cities above laboratory wet bulb intolerance levels
Its so nice to hear from Alice. I will be getting her book. The only sustainable answer is for everyone to learn to use less and for the grid to go away not be rebuilt. Every home should produce what it uses. If there is no grid, there can be no grid failure.
Thank you for this mind expanding talk, very good exchange and first time listening to Ms. Friedermann and have read much of her work. Have subscribed and will continue listening to your interviews....important ...
Thank you!
Incredible conversation. Rachel, this stuff is beyond fascinating!
Thank you, Nick!
Go Alice!!!!
Appreciate the detailed knowledge Alice provided.
Thanks Karen
Nicely done....Tim Garrett, then Alice Friedemann - two of the three most intelligent and honest collapsitarian scholars you could have interviewed! Add Tyson Yunakporta to complete the trifecta.
Thanks, have added him to my list!
@@PlanetCritical He may be hard to reach (he is on LInkedIn), but he'd be well worth the effort. The indigenous perspective he presents in his "yarns" and book (as a professor who reads books for a living, I think his book Sand Talk is one of the most important and interesting books I've ever read) is not a "nice add-on", but truly an essential perspective in conceptualizing how we can ever hope to make it through what he calls "the 1000 year clean-up'" which will characterize this millennium.
Best talk! Thank you for everything Alice!🥳 Glad you mention nuclear poison disposal, insulation and organic gardening as the top priorities.
I will add that grain is destroying the land and our bodies so i would skip that crap all together. Other seed that are less harmful , more nutritious and more suited to permaculture bio diverse gardens are available such as hempseed
“There are many things we could do with our remaining energy for future generations but we aren’t doing it.”
Worse, we are spending it on Christmas ornaments and Christmas PJs and big stuffed animals. My heart breaks.
Thanks for this! 👍
Thank you for listening!
Wow, she’s right. It IS very difficult to say “spent fuel pools” quickly!
Yes, I believe that Alice Friedemann is correct, it's an energy crisis. I heard others talk about an energy cliff, and I suspect that we have already entered that and that politicians are using the pandemic for managed degrowth to tackle the problem. I'm optimistic about the future though!
but she doesn't think extinction is a possibility, however inevitably the stress of depopulation will create the existential crisis that that we haven't even begun to fear
@@jthadcast I think we as humanity will manage the situation, but yes, definitely really scary, and politicians etc can't directly tell us the public if there is such crisis, because it could cause too much disruption in society.
IPCC may not account for peak oil but they also don’t account for methane and other feedbacks.
I didn't realise this-thank you for pointing it out.
According to David Spratt the IPCC is co-opted by governments and corporate interests. IPCC reports can only be released on the full agreement of parties involved. They have being playing down the alarmism to satisfy these interests for years.
@@liamhickey359summary for policy makers has to be each-word consensus but the full reports are less political
Important discussion. Thanks so much.
Thank you for listening!
Thank’s Rachel Donald for another interesting conversation, I’m working my way through the Doomersphere, not as an optimist looking for easy solutions, or a pessimist, but as true Doomer having seen the light (checkout Prof. Eliot Jacobson), and so as result was prepared mentally for what’s to come due to Meta and Polycrisis we (humanity) now finds itself in, I came across Alice Friedemann’s book’s and hence viewed this video, Alice didn’t disappoint. But I’d like to recommend a couple of videos which I think add strength and complement Alice’s work:-
1. “Dr Charlie Hall How much oil remains for the world to produce”
2. “Jack Alpert -- Civilization's “Running Out of Gas” [Gasoline] Story”
And lastly a name which you Rachel mentioned in passing, Nate Hagens of “The Great Simplification”🤔
Fabulous information!
Thank you Ann!
good info- but i don't think we will stay below 1.5 deg. and even that will trigger the many feedback loops- and it that happens nothing we can do will stop it !!! so we need to wake up and first pass a Carbon Tax and a Wealth Tax- combined call it an Eco Tax.
exactly, been there done that, the 30 year lag (alien tech aside) means that we are committed to the 3 degree territory
@@jthadcast
ya- its not looking good- i was an architectural designer/draftsman for 15 years (specializing in passive solar home design- which i learned from being a Vista volunteer in Santa Fe, NM. working for the NM Solar Energy Assoc.) but finally gave up about 10 years ago due to lack of interest in the buying public who only wants a conventional under insulated, glass everywhere and facing the best vies- around here is west (Bend, OR.) which is the worst for summer overheating. and this stupid building is still going strong. so we are stuck with that bad design now for 100+ years!! its a good time to be old! LOL
@@markschuette3770 ... like minds and experience. i spend a good portion of my remodling time swearing at stick frame construction conventions or where a builder saved $100 in 1992 that guarenteed the black mold problem and high energy bills today. then again modern passive construction does price out all but the top 10% but only because the market is in control of development. shady deals are the way to deep reductions in material costs, volume and growth.
man that’s absolutely terrifying. Kinda makes you regret that science was developed.
One emerging renewable energy technology is a new microwave, drilling technique that makes drilling to depths anywhere to capture geothermal energy possible. This means geothermal could be installed away from geologically active areas. There’s a test plant in operation in Nevada right now that Google has built and the current administration in the US has provided funding for more test plants.
Save Our Planet
from us?
The planet doesn't need saving, planet couldn't care less what happens to life, it will spin on for eons of time. 0:00
16:16 wet bulb temperatures is the term she was looking for I believe
Amazing how the guest showed their intelligence from the first sentence. And I don't mean that as a compliment.
Totally agree they should tax people who have more than 1 child!!
tax?
Learn how to grow food without inputs and machines and you will be in the protected middle of any village scenario.
I like the rebuildable term in place of renewable.
I want to know. I like to plan.
Alice is missing information, we can grow food easily without the Haber-Bosch process. Chemical fertilizer is only essential to keep the largest landowners hoarding the land and forcing people to become desperate consumers. Sorry.
Now she says organic can grow as much? Bio intensively food nutrition can be increased upwards of 20X agriculture depending on geography and climate.
I'm commenting as I follow along btw. I just had the most expensive but also most efficient natural gas furnace installed into the house fall of '21 because of learning from people like Alice. I've read her articles on the website she posts on for a long time. House has also been fully insulated years ago. The price of natural gas is now increasing fast this winter, might pay that furnace and insulation off much sooner than anticipated...
excellent! thanks!
If temperatures go up to 2, permafrost will unfreeze and temperature will go up regardless of more fossil fuels... and AMOC might stop... and the forest will be gone. So even if fossil fuels are gone by then, that will not stop temperature rise.
Forests will be the ones melting the permafrost to use the nutrients
When is nuclear waste no longer waste? Answer: When after it burns up 100% of its fuel it must separate all of its it's differing fission products into separate containers. When the fuel it burns is fission-ed 100%. When the fuel is found in abundance in every piece of soil and is a waste product of mining for other materials being used in industry.. When the reactor cannot have a melt down because the fuel is already melted down. When the reactor does not require steam under pressure to transfer heat to the power generation process but rather runs under high temperature & low pressure.. When a carbon dioxide turbine can be used in the process to produce electric energy conversion with efficiencies up to 40%. When the waste heat can be used to distill sea water. When the nuclear waste produced in different streams is small and the products are small and concentrated and the longer lasting ones which are a small fraction of other streams only last 300 years in the ground then are dead instead of millions of years. When present day nuclear waste can be added in small quantities to the fuel and be burned to produce added energy and dispose of them. When the reaction is self regulated. When the reaction can only be sustained when low energy neutrons. When the fuel is liquid. When the fuel separated from the moderator STOPS the reaction dead and when in some remotely possible unforeseen emergency drains harmlessly into tanks where it may then be reheated and pumped back into the reactor when the problem is fixed. I know it sounds complicated but in fact it is elegantly simple. The original nuclear power pioneers wanted to give this to us. These also were the inventors of what was given to us because of the demands of the military to make bombs to kill us instead of power to provide our energy needs. These pioneers did not like the poorer solution and when the world took the unsustainable path some of them were set aside. These were Alvin Weinberg, Eugene Wigner & Glenn Seaborg. They wanted to give to us a reactor that was fueled by thorium which is found in abundance instead of U235 which is about as abundant as gold or platinum. ruclips.net/video/xBmk7t5K35A/видео.html ruclips.net/video/tyDbq5HRs0o/видео.html Unfortunately because the public has atomic bombs and making bombs from the thorium / u233 cycle was not feasible the military pushed for the present day pressurized water reactors that need water to keep them cool.
there is a naturally stable point, that is where the distribution % is close to the background noise. i believe this will be called the fukushima method of waste disposal and long term population control.
Thoriumn reactors only work for short periods before the steel of the reactor vessel and pipes becomes weakened by the liquid sodium and radiation. They are not a solution.
@@Withnail1969 We are not talking liquid sodium which is quite frankly INSANE ruclips.net/video/X4aVueFmOHo/видео.html You are obviously trying to conflate this issue setting up a straw man. I think Bill Gates is in favor of sodium which is plain nuts. We are instead talking about a mixture of lithium and beryllium fluoride which can be melted in a test tube. Stainless steel called hastalloy N was the material to circulate it and keep it confined. The concept worked well then they nixed it in favor of the stupid solid fuel water reactors that they had to keep under pressure then after a mere 1 to 2% of the fuel was burnt they discard the whole thing as nuclear waste..
The nuclear waste is something James lovelock who is unfortunately dead at age 103 and was an independent scientist said they where allowed to store it on his garden and also the Fukushima meltdown does not seem to cause cancer and death in the superpopulated Japan. At least the area of tjernobyl which has been abandoned by humans is the most thriving area for wildlife and nature. I do think massive suffering is and was always present. But often not exposed by the main stream big business finance media who is ignoring how much other fellow humans and other species and farm animals and fish and wildlife and insects are suffering our exploitative abusive nature. Like Rachel said in another episode "we are like an embryo scratching and devouring our womb
I think we can look to the past for positive examples of how humans sustained good qualities of life and civilization before fossil fuels.
Wonderfull but unconveniant truth
We do eat fossil fuels because oil is a big input to fertiliser.
Move city design towards Delf, not our usual car dependent suburban sprawl. Stop the $5 per Km car subsidy.
16:20 📢 fools
16:57 📢📢 idiots
38:50
46:00
Alice does not have a realistic time frame, so many of her suggestions are not relevant. But she does have some interesting ideas.
Life after fossil fuels look at Venus that's what the Earth would look like
"life after fossil fuels";........NONE !
Except for those of us who know how to live without it.
@@Rosemountainfarm No stable climate to grow the food pfas contaminated what's left of wildlife populations then there's plastics. It's over.
@@Rosemountainfarm can we live without fresh water and food while 7B people do not go quietly into the night? duck and cover
Rachel: How about interviewing Professor Guy McPherson of Nature Bats Last.
Hydrogen and renewables are far more amenable concepts for the modern grid. Therefore, just upgrade.
We are critical, not the planet. 😀
Terrible future!!
When the TRUCKS STOP RUNNING! Ha ha ha ha? Where oh where are the ELECTRIC TRUCKS Alice? I guess once a doomer, always a doomer? Janus converts any Semi under 10 years old to be a full electric truck. They're able to carry 100 tons where Tesla only carries 40. Australia has VAST distances requiring bigger tucks. If you owned a freight company, would you want to buy 2.5 Teslas and hire 2.5 drivers to move the same freight? Or in the outback Road Train market - buy 4 Teslas and hire 4 drivers? How do they make the battery last so long? They don't! They swap it after just 500 to 600 km for a fresh fully charged battery! The company plans to charge the batteries from the warehouse roof! Sure they're just getting started - but the physics works. Solar WORKS. A big enough WAREHOUSE ROOF can run these tucks. It's like having an oil refinery on your roof. Need more batteries? Then BECAUSE the battery swaps are in country areas in between the big cities - land is cheap. Buy a neighbouring paddock and build a solar farm! The extra batteries you charge during the day will get swapped out that night. They're looking at doing AUSSIE ROAD TRAINS that carry 200 TONS!
ruclips.net/video/aizG265NeII/видео.html www.januselectric.com.au/
www.smh.com.au/business/companies/entrepreneur-big-trucks-big-savings-big-electric-plans-20220811-p5b91o.htmlwww.januselectric.com.au/
Not physically possible. Scam.
@@Withnail1969 Except whatever exists IS physically possible. I didn't ask your subjective gut felt opinion on this - Janus are a FACT!
@@eclipsenow5431sorry but their home page has zero real data...it's just common usual marketing "our product is amazing, there isn't any disadvantages, it's like magic" not a single technical word, no clue on how much miles per charge, peak of power in watts, basic structure of the battery to know why it's so miracuolus...it smells like a scam from every POV.
human choice decentralization, God kingdom central authority
follow God's leadership of free will kingdom in world to rescue planet
accordingly to every religion on the planet, god's leadership says we get climate change as a reward for being righteous.
She's not keeping up with technology.