i think its unfortunate jimmy fortune didnt get the ride, he rode him very nicely in the QEII Stakes and I think the horse has improved in itself and grown over the summer which has made him a better horse. Frankie gave him a good ride but I think that earlier on in the season Ravens just wasnt as good as Henry and thats why he only beat him once in Ascot for the QEII, John Gosden got him to peak at the right time for the big international race! I think its a real pity that Fortune missed out.
Had the owners of Zenyatta known what special horse they had, they could've raced her in the Classic instead of the filly. She had won eight in a row and was getting better and better. With more focused planning, she could've won three Classics.
The world outside America does not utilise the dirt surface for a variety of reasons - American race fans are very much aware of the drawbacks. Horses were born to run on grass - makes sense to have something that most closely resembles it. I notice you choose to ignore the comment about drugs. This is a problem that must be dealt with. If you listen to the commentary he screams 'can you believe it' as Curlin moves up. Plenty of other horses looked sweet at the time. Listen and look.
One thing I like about horse racing is that horses don't tell the "experts" much of anything, and keep lots of secrets to themselves. Obviously, Raven's Pass was far more "horse" than the smart guys suspected. I attribute some of his "heart" to that Northern Dancer, and Secretariat blood back there. It came out well.
I think Zenyatta could've beaten this field. She was 8 and oh coming to the Breeders Cup and chose the Lady's Classic instead. When the field bunched up at the top of the stretch, I could see Zenyatta going wide and chasing down the leaders. At 4 years old, and racing at Santa Anita, Zenyatta could've.
We have to find a way of letting horses compete internationally. That means agreeing on a surface and a drugs policy. This Cup was a move in the right direction - for the racehorse.
I wouldn't be so sure. On a proper, quick turf surface I don't think he'd beat the first two over a mile now, and I'm far from certain he'd beat RP over a mile on synthetic. Would he have had the speed in the BCC? I doubt it.
i am a true racing fan f.y.i and just because i don't like curlin i'm not? Raven's Pass was clearly a better calibur horse on BC Day and simply outran the former Horse of the Year. I love Stardom Bound, Go Between, Henrythenavigator, Barbaro, Man O' War, Affirmed, Ruffian, Forego, Point Given, Mariah's Storm, Afleet Alex, Whirlaway, A.P. Arrow, Storm Cat, A.P. Indy and love watching them run. They are beautiful when they simply stand in front of you, I don't see Curlin that way.
OK - the reason there is a move towards synthetics is because they are kinder to a horse's action than dirt. They resemble a good cover of grass in some ways, and surely thats a good thing? Above all though, American racing has to deal with the drugs issue. Why is that so hard?
You don't go calling a horse the winner before they reach the straight like this idiot "look at Curlin go is this believable?" Ravens Pass and HTN were a class above this field and been battling against each other all year taking turns to win
For once, European horses can compete against the Americans on a level playing field now that steroids are banned - and look what we can do - Go Frankie!
Raven's Pass is obviously a way better horse then Curlin considering that he has never raced on synthetic tracks, and was only supposed to be a turf miler
Rebecca White Ravens Pass beat him on a fake polytrack. Put them both on dirt, Curlin's natural surface and he'd kill Ravens Pass who was a pure turfer and polytrack horse. And Rags to Riches beat him at 1 1/2 miles in the Belmont after Curlin had already run back to back grueling races in the Derby and Preakness, both of which Rags to Riches skipped. Other than those "small" details your clueless drivel I guess makes a bit of sense?? LOL
The first time Frankie has rode him and he hits the jackpot.
Frankie Dettori slays the ghosts of Swain
Perfectly timed stretch run
I suspect the headline for the British would be: Curlin Doesn't Upset Raven's Pass!!
Raven's Pass was undeniably the best horse on this day.
Frankie finally finds the promised land a BC classic winners circle
My Boy Henry , Ran Huge =D
Was a travesty that Jimmy Fortune lost the ride to Frankie but that’s racing for you I doubled him up with Gosdens other winner
i think its unfortunate jimmy fortune didnt get the ride, he rode him very nicely in the QEII Stakes and I think the horse has improved in itself and grown over the summer which has made him a better horse. Frankie gave him a good ride but I think that earlier on in the season Ravens just wasnt as good as Henry and thats why he only beat him once in Ascot for the QEII, John Gosden got him to peak at the right time for the big international race! I think its a real pity that Fortune missed out.
Had the owners of Zenyatta known what special horse they had, they could've raced her in the Classic instead of the filly. She had won eight in a row and was getting better and better. With more focused planning, she could've won three Classics.
She probably loses this race but looked great in the distaff!
folks, curlin is still one of the best ever on dirt. This synthetic racing is sure exciting though!
The world outside America does not utilise the dirt surface for a variety of reasons - American race fans are very much aware of the drawbacks. Horses were born to run on grass - makes sense to have something that most closely resembles it. I notice you choose to ignore the comment about drugs. This is a problem that must be dealt with. If you listen to the commentary he screams 'can you believe it' as Curlin moves up. Plenty of other horses looked sweet at the time. Listen and look.
One thing I like about horse racing is that horses don't tell the "experts" much of anything, and keep lots of secrets to themselves. Obviously, Raven's Pass was far more "horse" than the smart guys suspected. I attribute some of his "heart" to that Northern Dancer, and Secretariat blood back there. It came out well.
Raven's Pass has been in A LOT MORE race's this year than Curlin, and Big Brown would not have beaten Raven's Pass or The Navigator!!
The ground was rattling on the day of the QEII. Don't know why you think it was soft. Sure, dosen't Raven's Pass only act on a fast surface too.
I think Zenyatta could've beaten this field. She was 8 and oh coming to the Breeders Cup and chose the Lady's Classic instead. When the field bunched up at the top of the stretch, I could see Zenyatta going wide and chasing down the leaders. At 4 years old, and racing at Santa Anita, Zenyatta could've.
We have to find a way of letting horses compete internationally. That means agreeing on a surface and a drugs policy. This Cup was a move in the right direction - for the racehorse.
BTW, for everyone complaining about the track, at least no horses died, like George Washington did in the damned MUD last year.
I wouldn't be so sure. On a proper, quick turf surface I don't think he'd beat the first two over a mile now, and I'm far from certain he'd beat RP over a mile on synthetic. Would he have had the speed in the BCC? I doubt it.
i am a true racing fan f.y.i and just because i don't like curlin i'm not? Raven's Pass was clearly a better calibur horse on BC Day and simply outran the former Horse of the Year. I love Stardom Bound, Go Between, Henrythenavigator, Barbaro, Man O' War, Affirmed, Ruffian, Forego, Point Given, Mariah's Storm, Afleet Alex, Whirlaway, A.P. Arrow, Storm Cat, A.P. Indy and love watching them run. They are beautiful when they simply stand in front of you, I don't see Curlin that way.
i cant beleive casino drive was LAST (or atleast thats what i think he placed). and i really wanted curlin to win but it was too bad he placed 4th :(
OK - the reason there is a move towards synthetics is because they are kinder to a horse's action than dirt. They resemble a good cover of grass in some ways, and surely thats a good thing? Above all though, American racing has to deal with the drugs issue. Why is that so hard?
i'll give you that but give me the fact that Raven is way better on synthetic and turf, and we don't know that he isn't a dirt horse, he's only three
Does he hate the Huns?
You don't go calling a horse the winner before they reach the straight like this idiot "look at Curlin go is this believable?" Ravens Pass and HTN were a class above this field and been battling against each other all year taking turns to win
For once, European horses can compete against the Americans on a level playing field now that steroids are banned - and look what we can do - Go Frankie!
big brown wouldve whooped em all
who got owned? Curlin AND Casino Drive! Go Raven's Pass! Both Curlin and Casino Drive couldn't live up to the pressure! Whoop!
Raven's Pass is obviously a way better horse then Curlin considering that he has never raced on synthetic tracks, and was only supposed to be a turf miler
Curlin rarely won against great horses like Raven's Pass, Rags To Riches, and Red Rocks. He just didnt have the power to outrun them
Rebecca White Ravens Pass beat him on a fake polytrack. Put them both on dirt, Curlin's natural surface and he'd kill Ravens Pass who was a pure turfer and polytrack horse. And Rags to Riches beat him at 1 1/2 miles in the Belmont after Curlin had already run back to back grueling races in the Derby and Preakness, both of which Rags to Riches skipped. Other than those "small" details your clueless drivel I guess makes a bit of sense?? LOL