Switching To Electric Car: Is It Worth It? | Talking Point | Electric Vehicles Pt 1/2
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2021
- In less than 20 years from now, Singapore may no longer have any petrol or diesel driven vehicles on its roads. That’s because the Singapore government has set a goal to phase out internal combustion engine vehicles by 2040! What does that mean for drivers in Singapore? Host Steven Chia finds out how an electric car compares to a petrol one, in terms of performance, cost and range.
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Get ready for fights and disputes in hdb charging station. Sure got one😂😂
Thought the same exact thing.
When cars were first introduced, there weren’t any gas stations or even mechanics to fix them. All the things that support gas cars came afterwards. Today you have no problem finding support for gas vehicles… the same will happen for EVs.
Another good solution is to install DC Fast Charging stations so that the time to charge an ev will be more reasonable
I find that comparing emission levels to evaluate the green impact of the 2 types of vehicles is too simplistic. We need to go into understanding the environmental impact of battery producing industries, disposal of batteries when their lifespan runs out as well as the production of the raw materials required to produce batteries or related parts unique to the electric car.
Yep the transport of the raw materials to the battery factories and then from those factories to the car factories, burning all that bunker fuel and diesel would be interesting if it was acknowledged.
Now is so hard to find carparks space in peak hours. In the future we need to find carparks space with charging point. I can’t imagine that.
That won't be necessary if you charge at home and drive less than 100 miles to work.
In California a lot of parking spaces and parking structures have spaces with electric plug ins already
People couldn't imagine Starbucks Coffee everywhere when it first gained popularity. Putting up a charging station is a lot easier than a coffee shop or a typical gas station. Tesla is putting up another 10,000 charging stations this year in Europe, Canada and the U.S. Going 250-350 miles on a single charge is pretty much here already on Tesla vehicles. We will probably see gas stations and convenience stores adding EV charging stations to attract those customers.
@@davidm5853 thats california dude… we are talking about singapore
The only way to convert car owners to go electric is not price but readily available power source to charge the vehicle. Look at the HDB carparks, there is currently no power charging point.
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Correct. The infrastructure for charging vehicles needs to be everywhere you park your car. Shopping centers literally everywhere. Also everyone who owns an electric car must have a charger at home. I own an electric car. It’s the best thing I ever bought. The savings on fuel is insane. No servicing either. No oil changes or filters, belts timing you name it. Drives super fast with no noise it’s weird when you first start it and get going so quiet you hear the brakes and hydraulics. It will take off but only when road trips are easy. Right now they are not.
@@petercotegolf This docu report is very well done. I find it informative. There is one thing that is still left out. How long will the batteries last? When will they need to be replaced, and how much damage would it be for the wallet of the owner? It is one thing to say that running costs is low because there is NO ENGINE. But another, when you have to pay through your nose to replace the batteries.
@@vincentmiscvideos3871 yes absolutely. I’ll find out at some point. But the other bonus is the engines last for up to 20 years without servicing. So I’m sure as batteries get better and cheaper it’s still an absolute no brainer. No fumes in the garage, no oils, no noise the list is endless on benefits. For me what I like the most is the power. Crazy acceleration and torque it’s nuts. So much fun to drive.
I'm quite convinced. But charging time needs to be further refined. Govt and businesses have to further work tgt to look for ways to reduce long term cost in order to incentivise people to make a switch. Safety is also one factor for consideration.
Charging really isn't such a big issue. Remember that most charging happens at home, during the night when time isn't a huge concern. Unless you're driving more than your entire range every day it's just not an issue outside of the occasional long distance road trip.
Not forgetting the benefits of having Tesla’s vehicles. So many missing information and the video painted such negative image of EV.
@@COASTER1921 if you buy the at home charger with the higher output sure that makes sense but anyone without that charger at home.. it's pretty worthless to try to charge off of 120v.
@@richkar1127 It'll be fine because you don't need it to be full, you can continue charging your EV while you're working
@@lillypichu4566 There'll be a plethora of situations where charging is impossible. Every office I've worked in has a shortage of parking with zero opportunity for charging EVs. Many people live in apartments or rent and/or don't have off street parking. The most likely scenario is everyone arrives home from shopping or work and plugs in there chargers in the evening, overloading the electricity network. We already incur blackouts in summer. There is simply not enough capacity for electric vehicles and that'll get worse as coal generators are progressively shut down.
The last test on emission is really archaic, incongruent and rubbish.
If we consider emission from electric production and not just electric consumption, then we should also consider emission from petrol production on top of petrol consumption.
At the start, during manufacturing of EV, is not environmentally friendly because of the Lithium ion battery. But since no tailpipe emissions, the EV carbon emissions will be much lower over the course of the lifetime of the electric car
I hope the battery won't catch fire or explode like some videos i saw on RUclips because Singapore is tiny so we park our EV near each other.
Well, they banned firecrackers in SG. Now with EV we will catch the show again I am sure... just need one idiotic car manufacturer...
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Wait, if you count the production of electricity on the EV, shouldn't you take into account the production of petrol into account for the ICE car?
This comment should be highlighted. Using fossil at power plants is more efficient than burning petrol in cars.
@@ravitoday untrue
@@truenorth5072 it's true
@@lillypichu4566 power station needs to have a buffer, to avoid power outage during sudden spike (unpredictable).
Meaning a good portion ~20% electricity produced , is wasted constantly.
@@truenorth5072 With the EV, 20% of that energy can be used to charge an EV.
After all it has nothing to do with the pollution that EVs produce. Pollution of the manufacture of gasoline through the process of pumping to refining produces more pollution than lithium mining to the stage of making EVs, even combined with a coal/gas power plan (with the kwh ratio used by EVs)
This has even been studied by a university in UK
If Malaysia's infrastructure is also reliable, yeah, I don't see why not. Don't want to be confined to SG alone 😂
If SG go all in electric car by 2040, and Malaysia still lack behind EV, I can see the car rental service at the JB-SG border to boom
@@CheahMichael & Malaysians love Petrol.
@Hoy Sum It's actually not. There are still energy losses when tankers transport the fuel to your local station, on top of still being environmentally unfriendly. Even if your energy is fossils based, EV's are still cleaner.
Knobloch, F., Hanssen, S. V., Lam, A., Pollitt, H., Salas, P., Chewpreecha, U., ... & Mercure, J. F. (2020). Net emission reductions from electric cars and heat pumps in 59 world regions over time. Nature sustainability, 3(6), 437-447.
I think several points could have been explored further: 1) Carbon footprint of producing EVs and the batteries; 2) Future cost of electricity as the vehicle population fully shift to EVs - I would imagine the demand of electricity increasing drastically, and it's hard to say now if the supply will match the increased demand then to ensure prices remain similar to what it is now. Just think about the time when ppl started converting their cars to use ethanol along with petrol - the price of ethanol and corn/maize increased and the original cost savings were eventually eliminated.
EVs are definitely the future, but consumers should be more aware/educated on carbon footprint (ongoing usage + pre-purchase) and usage costs (current vs future). Particular on the former, there's definitely less pollutants when driving EVs, but it's really easy for all of us to [conveniently] forget that EVs might not be that green to manufacture - especially the current mining of lithium and other minerals for the batteries, etc - since it's not directly due to our personal usage..
basically jst promoting consumerism.. Keeping the Economy continuously rolling huh...
Yup, still the same. Promoting consumerism by draining taxpayers' money.
1. This has been addressed by University and government studies already. ROI on emissions from producing an EV is offset after 2 years of ownership according to the Norwegian University of Science and Technology. Less if your national grid has renewables.
2. I doubt the rise in costs of electricity will match the rise of costs of petrol and diesel. Even so, you can mitigate this with solutions such as solar. As of now, I get a discount for off-peak charging, which power companies are encouraged to do to balance out power demands.
A couple of years ago i did the math
Im a commercial traveller and drive all over the eu
Typically 1000 km out and 1000 back sometimes double
In the end i bought a 3 yr old ford focus diesel for 12000 eur
45 liter for 1300 km and almost no parts cost
I could never do that with a ev
But in countries where the electricity is produced by renewable sources, like hydro or wind, there is no pollution equivalent. This is the case, here in Costa Rica where 99% of the grid energy is renewable. Driving electríc make total sense.
sadly most part of the world still use coals to produce electricity
Even if the grid is still rather carbon heavy, driving electric still makes perfect sense.
Very narrow view though, cost to the world to mine the resources, cost to recycle the batteries isn't just wind power to charge it
@@AlphGen Still much better in the long run.
@@Simon-dm8zv if you live in Singapore sure, it is small enough one charge can get you around the island. Live in Australia and you are confined to the coast areas of population which reduces where they can go right now
For some of us who buy cheap used cars, we can't switch because those electric cars are so expensive even when used the prices are ridiculous.
It depends a lot on how many miles you drive per yr., total cost of ownership is already lower for high use cases but in a few yrs BEVs will be the poor man's choice too as the used market will have ample supply of BEV econoboxes. The only exceptions will be for those who only drive, say 2k miles/yr.
The times they are a-changin? ruclips.net/video/sFSJDSh1jmE/видео.html
You need to look at the used market. Used Bolts & Leafs are cheap in the US.
@@brendykes6599 yes, you are right because nothing will save your money better that battery replacement in a used ev.
@@wojtylamariusz buy under warranty. Or get the Bolt battery replacement that gives more range and another 100k miles/8 years warranty. Bolt battery degradation seems even less than that of Tesla, so I’ll prob be good for 300k more miles. Oh, did I mention the car will pay for itself in under 3 years? So thanks, I’m good.
Would like to see the cost to replace the battery, most electric/hybrid vehicles only has an 8 year warranty on the battery.
Plus how does the car dealership plan to recycle the battery.
And what about the local fire department, can they handle battery related fires?
With proper battery management system , battery will last more than 90% after ten years . EVs are almost maintenance free. The only things you need to replace is Tyres and Washer Fluid.
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Is ok bro COE only 10 years anyway...
@@CryptoBotMyanmar Actually that isn't really true. Cars like tesla has a coolant to maintain. And batteries in sg climate doesn't last that long, as seen by hybrid cars owners running around sg for more than a decade. They start declining when they reached 3 yrs old till about 5th~6th year of ownership and agents will usually would not want to have anything to do with it till the battery is nearly fully dead, basing on hybrid car owner's accounts.
This a great documentary. Thanks for sharing.
This docu report is very well done. I find it informative. There is one thing that is still left out. How long will the batteries last? When will they need to be replaced, and how much damage would it be for the wallet of the owner? It is one thing to say that running costs is low because there is NO ENGINE. But another, when you have to pay through your nose to replace the batteries.
Lies again? El Tornado
The early cars without temperature conditioning for the batteries and untuned charge curves had poor battery life. The new batteries and charging tech have lives of >90% capacity after 200k km of driving, battery life is no longer an issue since they last the life of a typical ICE car before it is junk. Then there are companies which are recycling those batteries or using them for grid storage systems as a second life.
Singapore is made for EV. Tiny country means limited daily mileage, mostly urban type of driving, low top-speed. Can't really go wrong!
TOTALLY AGREE!! Yet we are progressing so slowly in the EV aspect. Guess charging is always the issue. If only we have Tesla’s fast charging… 187 miles charge in 15 min. Problem solved!
Not really. Unless Malaysia can put in place the charging infrastructure, don't think it's worthwhile to buy a bloody expensive ev that cannot drive to Malaysia (or even Thailand) for a weekend getaway due to a lack of ev chargers.
@@ztsu8542 that’s something out of our control. But I won’t risk driving my Tesla to Malaysia to be honest. Not being offensive here, just don’t want anything happen to it (run out of range etc)
@@ShirtPapa Precisely! Why switch to ev if you have to give up the option to drive to Malaysia or even Thailand?
Except that Singapore generates most of its energy by natural gas which is unrenewable and the changing of power from AC to DC inherently introduces losses, more than recent petrol engines which have been developed to be efficient over the many years.
I will agree that there are many benefits such as noise and city pollution but EVs without significant renewable power production is just greenwashing. Not to mention the 10 year COE and the environmental impacts from lithium rare earth mining
Question: is the Aircon allowed to be turned on while charging so at least we can work on our laptop while waiting
Yes, you can still use all functions in the car other than driving.
With all the different companies providing the charging stations, do we need an account or app for each one of them or can they all be combined into 1 seamless experience? I’d really not have to keep 10 apps on my phone just for charging my car, and that’s on top of having to plan the charging in advance
Why not replace roofing and hood with solar panels? Oil companies won't approve?
don't think the current panel efficiency is sufficient to power up a car
@@badboi888 let’s hope a solution to that is invented soon
At least get some juice out of the sun. I hope so too that technology to harness enough free energy will come soon.
Would love to see one of these cars cross the border into Malaysia and do a road trip and see how it performs.
Ikr how to go :(
We bought a brand new 2019 chevy volt two years ago. My wife drives it and loves it. We wanted a Tesla but the model Y was not available yet and the model 3 has a trunk and we really needed a hatchback.
We love our volt, saves us a ton of money 9 months out of the year. The volt does have 1 shortcoming and that is that its batteries are not thermally managed and doesn't like it when it's below freezing. That for us means it starts up in gasoline mode here in the Chicago winter.
We still want a Tesla and if you are considering one I'd definitely recommend an electric car. Once you get used to charging at home you'll never go back. Just understand that a level 2 charger (fast charger) is going to cost you $500 and having an electrician run you a 50 amp circuit another $500 to $700.
Make sure your house can handle a 30, 40 or 50 amp circuit, we are lucky to have 400 amp service, many homes in our city only have 100 amp service.
Lies again? Cheap fuel
I can imagine ppl fighting over charging points.
That won’t happen if it’s Tesla super charger of 187 miles (300km) within 15 min charge. Wonder why don’t they mention mileage of 400++Km for Tesla’s vehicles.
At the end of my 10 yr COE for EV , is the parf attractive? Same as with hybrids?
@@hannah5245 value is $0. Go check it out. Also, a standard model 3 cost Usd34000. Convert to SGD45200. But dealers are selling at x2 /X3 the price. Who will want to convert?
i don't see ppl fighting over refill petrol at the gas station while waiting for their turn. why would people fight over charging point?
@@weixiongchng7629 There are still massive differences in the speed of refueling vs the speed of charging for one, refueling is still significantly faster even if the car in front of you has a massive fuel tank. Also, constantly fast charging the battery comes at the cost of battery life if I'm not mistaken.
Haha yay, your merc is back!
Is there any information on charges for insurance between diesel / petrol vehicles & EV? Also, there are some incidents whereby EV catches fire on its own. Are they covered?
Will there by higher risks to drivers in cases of accident, whereby the batteries are hit?
Could anyone pls help advise me?
See you at 2030..very well made video by the way..awesome job 👏👏
You guys are talking like electricity in Singapore are 100% clean energy, we are just shifting from car exhaust to chimney exhaust.
Precisely and it is not as if the production of lithium ion batteries required for all EVs are clean and green.
Even if you don't have car, you still making pollution by using the electricity in your home
Even in Singapore with natural gas power station it’s more efficient and better for the environment than conventional cars. Plus the health benefits of having tailpipe emissions shifted away from city centre in close proximity to the population.
It's about the efficiency, you do know that most of the fuel running a vehicle gets wasted as heat energy, not to mention the various Nitrogen oxides and Pm10 produced. Burning natural gas only produces CO2, do you need me to feed you on which is the better option in terms of reducing as much exhaust as possible?
@@Jwhatsup5 And the materials used to produce solar panels are absolutely clean and don't harm the environment at all? Talk about emissions from cars and ignore the rest of the pollution from green tech. Wow so much 'care' for the environment yeah, and I guess just like Greta, you have a real vision of a future in delusion.
I am confused about charging, how many charging stations do we need? Would this not be better to have a battery-changing station?
Initial Prices, with incentives, are still higher for an EV, by at least 13 % minimum ! For similar size and options. If you install a home charger, add 2 to 5000 more.
Does the 10 year limit on petrol fuel car applies on EV in Singapore?
this programme is always good.i cannot miss any episode
what hasnt been considered in this program is the depreciation value. As the batteries age and lose capacity, how much would the car depreciate in value vs petrol engined car?
how much inconvenience would it cause? how fast do they lose capacity?
Considering that the majority of cars in sg have their coe expire in 10 years, depreciation would be similar as you are legally not allowed to drive a car after it reaches 10 years old. Batteries may degrade over time but 10 years will still be too short to experience the effects of battery degradation.
@@seananlinjunxi868 EV costs a minimum of $140k under the new CAT A and this does not include the COE which will bring the cheapest EV to the cost of more than $210K for the latest CAT A result.
In singapore you are actually still legally allowed to drive a car for more than 10 years provided your car passes inspection and you renew your coe which will bring the cost of the car to a whole new level.
it will depreciate a lot
Main issue is charging. Homes in Singapore are so expensive and condo/hdb charging is not very viable yet. Government needs to quickly extend charging networks to accelerate adoption.
For sure, electricity prices in the future will be through the roof because of the demand. Lmaooo.
or decrease when companies make them . common sense la, if people want to buy,people want to sell. Mass production will bring the cost down.Sure one
@@brandonchan4537 The electricity price will not go down. The cost of building the car will some, but not much. There's a floor for the cost of a new vehicle. They will never be "cheap."
Sorry ,I have missread . Soo my argument has just went out the window .Sorry ya 😅.
You can make it stable by building reunable energy
After all, the oil companies also need electricity to pump the oil out, so it doesn't mean anything
The overall demand won't be drastically different when we are all driving EV's, because we won't be needing oil, gas or diesel, so there won't be any need to refine it in huge quantities anymore. Refining uses huge amounts of electricity. Plus we won't be using gas station pumps either, so more electricity saved there.
Singapore can define EV history by defining the infrastructure for city . I.e. Reverse charging back to grid in time demand, during the day when the car is idle, it is giant power Bank for green energy, and in the evening, the power can be return back to the grid. Most driver only use 30 to 40 km, and cars has only 10 year life, EV are the naturally suitable as a mobile battery
Not practical, lithium has a finite recharging lifespan.
Constant charge and discharge wears out your battery and greatly reduce your car’s scrap value... for that little savings your get from selling electricity back to the grid.
Also cost to setting up such grid is a huge investment for the government. Not to mention installation of meters at every charging point to calculate where and who to send the rebate to.
I've always found the biggest problems with EVs is neither the cost problem nor the pollution problem. It's always been infrastructure. For some nations, more compact and densely populated nations for instance, this isn't as much of an issue. It still does need to be addressed in these nations but it's not as huge of an issue as it is with Nations like India, Russia, Canada, and the US. In these nations they have enormous land masses that they must deal with, monumental Road networks that must have charging stations littered about, and enormously diverse terrain that must be considered when construction of such charging points takes place. Everyone thinks of the cities, but no one ever thinks about what it's like in the countryside. A single gas station with a 100 miles/160 km radius void around it can service any vehicle that travels it's placement within moments. As of right now, barring certain specific locations that are seemingly destroying themselves in the rush to become the first, there are no equivalents to this in these locations. Urban hubs seem to rely on the idea that you come in to do your business and you charge your vehicle while you're there. No one ever considers the idea of Transit from A to b meaning hundreds of miles. Honestly the rise of the electric vehicle must first have a reckoning as to what it means to be a automobile owner in any of these locations.
Gas cars had the same issues when it was being offered to the masses. There were NO gas stations. Long trips back then had to be planned properly.
Today it is not an issue. Today it is an issue for EVs, but it will not stay that way.
Are things different in Singapore such that you can not charge your vehicle at home each night? In the US, most EV owners charge this way, therefore never wait to charge on a daily basis.
Most people in Singapore stay in apartments blocks so they can't charge their EV at home. If HDB carpark offer charging... I am worried that neighbors will start to fight for charging ports
how long will the battery last if spent 20min with the aircon on park along the beach.
A couple days.
Well done! Wish to see this happen in Malaysia/
If you really want to go full environmentalist, don't forget that manufacturing one EV also creates emissions. Especially the batteries themselves. However, most, if not all, still can offset petrol equivalents and be net carbon.
Not sure if we have the infrastructure/ capability to install 500charging points every mth until 2030
This is Singapore, an EV with a range of 250 miles is enough to get around this country. You only need to charge it at home or when you work
@@lillypichu4566 yeap. But by 2030 will it be ready? the infrastructures at your carpark etc. That's what I'm saying. Haha
I presume the charging app can link to creditcard for foreigners & Malaysian as well?
What about how long the lithium battery life span before it worn out and need to be replaced woth new battery? Considering that aspect, is it still cheaper?
I have been to Malaysia and I am not sure why cars cost so much there. Here in the States, you can get a hybrid vehicle that will get you 45 mpg for almost 1/2 the cost of a full plug in electric car. If you want to save money, hybrid is the way. If you want a cooler car, get an electric one
How about the upstream environmental impact, i.e. at the manufacture of lithium ion batteries stage, and also the disposal of wasted lithium batteries? Interestingly there has been very few in depth examination on how carbon neutral these processes are, many shows are just looking at emission of EVs when driven. That would not be a full picture in assessing how carbon neutral EVs actually are. Can CNA Insider look into this to provide viewers a more comprehensive assessment/education?
Take a look at here. ruclips.net/video/6RhtiPefVzM/видео.html In the US, on average it takes 3-4 years to completely break even compared to Toyota Camry. Anything past that is net negative carbon emission. Considering EVs can last ~10 years, I'd say it is the smarter choice.
It's very evident that the green movement's actual goals is not reduce carbon emissions.
@Jimmy Edward And the outcome of refining oil results in literally every function of human civilization, so if you want to cast all of humanity back to the stone ages then sure your argument will hold weight.
@Jimmy Edward Ive never said that battery and lithium ion tech is useless, yes they are net positives but your argument is stupid. Just because refining oil produces pollution then all pollution from lithium ion battery production is ignored?
It is like saying lets prevent forest fires by cutting down all trees. Yes you stop forest fires but you kill all the biodiversity in the forest. This is your stupid argument.
@@moseschew8903 EV's are about mitigation of fossil fuels and oil mining and extraction. Not about completely removing them entirely from society. Nobody is saying this. This is an intellectually dishonest and fallacious statement to make.
I like how the head of department wore the operator uniform just for the show lol
During the year of lockdowns in the United States it showed there was no significant reduction in greenhouse gas from the 80% reduction of vehicle use.
Homes create far more greenhouse gas then vehicle's.
1. Faster charging higher amp, battery fire 🔥
2. Insurance to amend policy to cover battery failure replacement, premium goes sky high.
3. High current chargers island wide, more fire hazards. Fire Fighters salaries must be raised.
bestie as if governments haven't put in any safety standards to stop this from happening
So gas powered cars never catch fire then?
Insurance for my Tesla Model 3 is something like $50 more compared to an equivalent 3-Series. But it's worth it because I get far more coverage than the BMW.
This was quite informative and one of the best I've seen on the subject. Like many have said in this video. Charging time isn't the issue people make it out to be. Most will charge at home. Depending on your commute you may only need to charge a couple times a week for a short amount of time. Infrastructure is rapidly increasing so that waiting on a charge isn't an issue. Here in the US we have chargers everywhere. If you own a Tesla not only do you have exclusive access to their chargers but with an adapter you can charge at all the other chargers as well. When plotting your road trip the onboard navigation tells you where all the chargers are along your route and how much charge you will have as you get to each one and how long you will need to stay there before leaving to continue your journey. In most cases we humans need to stop anyway for whatever reasons during our road trips so coordinating breaks with the ability to charge is key.
I'm not saying this is the end of petrol but for may this will be the evolution of it. Many of us may have grown p washout the internet, computers or even microwaves. Most didn't have a personal phone let alone a smart phone. Now many of these things are common place and if you take them away without a viable alternative most won't know how to function without them. In this case fossil fuel is either living along side EV or in some areas and some point being replaced by it. Whether we like it or not it is evolution on an industrial level.
Most people can't charge at home, most people live in apartments. Exclusive access to Tesla supercharger nope not exclusive. Any car can use them if they have an adapter. Some people do not fall into it's just hard to change category and fall into there is no way today that will work. As in actual work vehicles which are typically used cars used evs won't be around for a 20-30 year lifespan. So the amount of used vehicles dwindles pretty much until we figure out how to make a battery better. Less used vehicles that work means more people buying new cars and adding to the biggest sources of pollution we have today. Manufacturing and battery recycling. Someday a technology will change this but for now we are killing our resources and making more pollution in the guise that we are being green now. No one selling an ev cares about the used car market and it shows.
Implementation of the infrastructure will have to be different to fit different cities. In Singapore for example, most stay in high-rise flats or condominium, i.e. we don't have a private garage to charge overnight. Having 1 charger per car/parking lot in our shared parking spaces simply isn't practical in terms of the amount of stress on the power grid. One of things that the local authorities will need to work out is how to schedule charging of vehicles in a space where the ratio of chargers to cars is less than 1, perhaps even less than 0.5
@@richkar1127 Unless your government has made an agreement with Tesla or Tesla has opened their chargers up to the public in your country then NO. They're private chargers exclusive to Tesla vehicles. While in Europe and other places the charging port is standardized their charging network will reject other manufacturers vehicles.
I fully admit that each country will have to work out it's infrastructure problems. Average commuters travel 30 to 60 miles a day so for most people they won't need to charge everyday. But with government incentives and new construction apartments and condos as well as offices can retrofit or design in chargers. This isn't out of the possibility as it's already being done in multiple countries and cities....Chana to name a few.
@@undredrawn3419 You are not understanding the way the chargers work at all. The Tesla superchargers can be used by other vehicles but not at the same charge rate (speed). Changing the entire infrastructure for a new highly non-sustainable technology is not a good idea. EVs are not capable of 90% of the things Ice vehicles can do now or for the following 20 years after the purchase date. Every ev on the road today will not be on the road in 20 years. 10 year old ice vehicles today will still be going 20 years from now. The 2 largest producers of pollution are manufacturing and battery recycling. Explain to me how buying things that literally make the two biggest contributors that much worse, is better or even equal in terms of the environmental impact. You can't, no one can. Literally Tesla doesn't even have solar panels on their own manufacturing plants except one small section of one building for photo ops. The whole ev movement is a farce at this point, someday we will have a good environmental battery. Until then we are doing much worse for our environment. Industrial revolution? Hardly. Monetary revolution. Definitely.The great Elon still won't let you fix your own car. Great for economy I'm sure.
Your car can go around 100km in half a tank. So for full tank mileage is 200km. I’m quite sure that is not the average mileage for modern cars now. Even my forester can reach 500mileage full tank.
You are right, he is not comparing Apple to Apple. But then again for his case, he is driving an almost 20 years large enshrine Mercedes...
I believe for his car he is honest. But he has to slant it somehow right? Has to push the narrative of the government. And that is increasing EV adoption.
I like the part about 8-9 hour charge.
No mention on the battery warranty. Noted most of them are
It should be possible for small city country like Singapore. For country like Malaysia, with how things going, it is impossible to go fully electric.
The last time I checked most private ice vehicles are parked for most of the day so the emissions are low, it is the ice vehicles that work in public transportation that contributes to green house gases, ships 🛳 and aero planes ✈️ are ones that pollute the atmosphere because there engines operate for 70 to 80 percent of the day.
Evs charging cannot beat the 10-12 minutes of ice cars toping up their tanks. Also if the power goes out how because there is a distribution in LNG how will you charge the Ev
you can control the co2 output from the plants i hope you notice the weather is getting warmer all the co2 doesn't go to space
Is there an operating & maintenance cost $ comparative study made in Singapore between ICE vs EV?
My little sister got an electric car... Recently, I rode with her, but the biggest problem was there were no charging ports, or only one, and that was "occupied..."
21:13 "Had I driven my own car I think I would have used about a half a tank of gas" Wait whut!!?? half a tank of gas to go 100km?, what car is this guy driving?
Implementation of the infrastructure will have to be adapted to fit different cities. In Singapore, most stay in high-rise flats or condominiums, i.e. we don't have the luxury of a private garage to charge overnight. Plus, having 1 charger per car/parking lot in our shared parking spaces simply isn't practical in terms of the amount of stress on the limited power grid.
One pending issue that LTA & the relevant authorities (property developers, HDB, town councils) will need to work out is how to "schedule" charging of vehicles in a space where the ratio of chargers to cars is less than 1, perhaps even less than 0.5.
I suspect this will require some sort of "reservation system" whereby drivers will need to reserve evenings on which they will have access to parking lots with chargers, so that they can slow-charge their vehicles overnight. Faster chargers (or "opportunity chargers" as mentioned in the video) will likely supplement this practice for those who need a faster, albeit more expensive, charge.
Another option that is way more complicated is V2I, vehicle-to-infrastructure. This means that the power grid is now "smart" and is able to communicate with all electric cars (receive information on how much charge it has left). The grid will then decide which cars should be charged ASAP, and which cars can afford to be charged at a later time in the week. Essentially, the grid becomes a resource manager as well.
I think the former option is very much more likely. The latter is mostly conceptual and requires a somewhat unrealistic level of collaboration between car manufacturers and electricity companies. Plus, it takes away autonomy from drivers, which may be problematic anyway.
In any case, I do think that the concept of privately owning a vehicle may become a myth in a few decade's time. If our transport system is truly moving towards a V2I framework, then in the near future we wouldn't own cars. We'll simply either be taking shared cars (think large-scale BlueSG) or leasing a car from long-term use. Exciting times!
Alright. Thanks for listening to my TED talk :)
Well crafted and with good insight.
Prefer yours to those brainless fan boy comments...
chargers can be powered by solar panels and mini wind turbines... basically free power in Singapore ...
looking forward!
Also the ARF discount is basically from your own pocket . Lower ARF lower PARF. The eMG is worth next to nothing vs the ICE MG
Pretty cool that they have electric chargers at their Shell stations. 🔌🐚
I will change to electric only if malaysia got multiple charging station. Might be driving there once cov19 is done
what about those who need to drive up north? there may be problems finding sufficient charging points....some food for tot...
in case you dont know, there are fast chargers along highways
if 60k fast charging(shell type) stations we can definitely support all the electric vehicles we want, based on 1hour charging time, charging once a week, if everyone is on the ball and chargers are always fully utilized at maximum efficiency at all time of the day, we can support 10million EVs 24hours*7days*60,000=10.08million which is ten times the amount of vehicles on the road in Singapore currently(1million).
if 60k slow chargers then things are very different, people will always want to charge every day or every other day because car is for convience cannot be use till no battery and charge so long then can use, especially if life forces people to return home late and so there will never be a slot to charge. so 60k slow chargers can probably just support about 400k EVs in Singapore, assuming everyone charges every other day but never fully depletes their battery so let's take 50% charge so it takes 3-4 hours to fully charge (24hours divided by 3.5 hours it takes to charge) * 60,000 = 411k.
Burning petrol in cars is much more wasteful and inefficient as compared to using natural gas in power plants.
Provided if you can swap the battery with battery swap station like NIO EV does.
Saving 9cts per km equate 10 years of 200,000 km as $18,000. Comparing saving only $18,000 for 10 years versus paying upfront of extra more than $20,000 dollars for a same model ICE car unless there are more saving in terms of cash etc.
Ooh, he compared price of an ICE HS with ZS EV.. Wow, very genius
Cost of operating an EV is supposed to be lower than gasoline vehicle in Singapore if the gasoline price remain at present stage, unless new oil well is discovered off shore in the future. 🤔🤔
you forgot to add..most EV's are freaking expensive...the average household cant afford an EV
chinese evs are extremely cheap actually
@@kemalasaridina1898 so in china where they are cheap does the average person have enough money to buy an ev? No, no they don't the average income there is very very low. The average income in china is about 5k USD per year. You also can't build a car in the US and sell it as cheap as the Chinese cars can be built. There are a few more stipulations if you want that thing on a US road.
@@richkar1127
If you are looking at those TESLA etc, of course they are expensive!!.
But CHINA has embraced EV to another level .
The concept of EV there is very different frm.western values. Everything is EV frm humble trishaw - scooter- mini car- buses. Thier EV tech starts frm bottom up.. whereas in the west its marketed as elites. (Kinda dumb, but CAPITALISM at best😂)
@@kentershackle1329 One country that has 40 people to one vehicle and another country that has 1.2 people per vehicle. Which country do you think the cheaper vehicles are from? (Socialism at its best) Seems like China hasn't even embraced vehicles yet. Everything is electric? Give me a break just because one city in China has them does not mean they are everywhere. Btw capitalism is where the stolen tech for all the Chinses vehicles has come from then they simplify and take away a safety feature or 10 then sell it on the Chinese market. or aliexpress as the Iphone 91plus.
@@richkar1127 um, have you read any news report on this topic? china has one of the highest rate of ev vehicles penetration now, there are literally tons of coverage on this. naturally people can afford them...
i thought in singapore there is only the model 3
The question is not whether one will go electric or not, the real question is can you afford a car in Singapore or not ?
Stop working at mcdonalds and you will be able to afford a decent car.
@@edenassos I guess you are not from SIngapore and have no idea of the tariffs and taxes imposed on cars here. For context, you can get Three Tesla Model 3 for the price of a Camry in Singapore.
@@Jwhatsup5 I have a Singapore passport among others, so your assumption is wrong. So how are the Singaporeans who own cars affording them? Do they spawn them out of thin air? 🤔 There are about 700000 private cars in Singapore according to LTA's data. How are they affording it? 🤔
and that's why we have ✨public transport✨
My concern is the resale value and performance of electric vehicles: How much performance especially in terms of range will a used electric car have say after five years of use? How easy will these parts be to replace and repair? Many of the EVs being flipped sell high because there is such high demand for a new item but do they continue to perform as well over time? Used phones have very bad batteries- is it the same for battery-run cars?
it will reduce drastically after 5 years no one will be interested to buy this old tech car
normal vehicles burn fuel on the spot, EV burn fuel for the made of batteries...plus EV battery use rare minerals to made....
But the overall lifetime emissions...
EVs do produce less emissions and environmental damage than combustion cars regardless. The optimisation in technology resulted in less co2 produced during manufacture and higher energy efficiency and running emissions. They're even is evidence that EV produce overall less emissions even if their Electricity is purely from Fossil Fuels.
Although that is unlikely as not many countries generate 100% from fossil fuels. At least for many European Nations a lot comes from nuclear, wind and even hydropower.
energypost.eu/latest-data-shows-lifetime-emissions-of-evs-lower-than-petrol-diesel/
Or some academic reports:
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.oliver-krischer.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/English_Studie.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwinkPaVoJfxAhUKmhQKHRNXCkUQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw0akAgM4czVqmjVkqzh0WLe
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/EV-life-cycle-GHG_ICCT-Briefing_09022018_vF.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwinkPaVoJfxAhUKmhQKHRNXCkUQFjABegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw1Lcr9hNTDpuSgIDf37897b
Everything has it’s good and bad. We compare which is a better alternative here…
It depends on your countries way of producing electricity.if its mostly from fossil fuel its not that much different than using a regular na car.
At least the roads will be a lot quieter
@@leow5632 why would u want roads to be quite.i mean you would want some feed back to alert you.
1. Sell electric vehicle (EV) upgrade where people can opt to convert boot space to add more batteries. 2. EV selling point. Reduced explosion damage scope compared to petrol? 3. Use maid to charge electric car. There is a separate lock for EV’s charging port. The charging port lid needs phone app to unlock. Unlocking charging port lid doesn't unlock the car nor start the engine. This allow third party service staff to charge your car when you sleep at night.
Singapore is the best country to electrify its transportation system. In fact the robotaxi system can be implemented without problems and will reduce the number of vehicles in the country. Just ask Tesla, Elon Musk will be willing to help.
Singapore is a very small country where an ev would be perfect. Larger countries with fewer charging stations makes them unviable. Like Australia, sadly.
Half a tank for 100km ? Probably super high consumption already..
same price, but higher depreciation cost owing to the lower ARF rebate.
Not here in the UK. EV's hold their value very strongly....
@@Brian-om2hh it's because they're still rare, wait 20-30 years and they won't hold value anymore
You forgot to mention it takes extra electricity to refine petrol and diesel fuels...
Around 8kw of electricity to produce *one* gallon of petrol I believe......
Singapore need more budget Electric Car, and need to change policy to focus on 1 family for 1 EC with free or discounted COE.
Lithium batteries burn hot and fast. There was a recent case of food delivery rider on his battery powered bike catching fire inside a lift , roasted alive .And lots of home fires started by lithium batteries of mobility devices being charged . So there is a possibility of a passenger in an electric vehicle being roasted alive, especially of an electric car involved in a accident .
I wonder how much CO2 is produced by the power grid in Singapore?
charging is foc?
Better look at the tribology (wear & tear over the years) components costs to maintain a electric car compared to petrol/ diesel car.
As technology improves, EVs will rule the day.
perhaps, untill we found suitable energy source to power our car and our civilization.
Coal and diesel power plant is not on the list.
I think all this will be subject to approval of oil companies who hold significant power now. I think they only approve EVs now is because electricity that powers these vehicles still rely on petroleum products. They still make money out of it. Moving to more sustainable source of energy will likely be blocked by these corporate titans.
Maybe in fantasy land. The reality is we still don’t know.
@@sidecarcn It's obvious that if a company were to put out an EV that cost $15,000 or $25,000 and had a 250+ mile range, a lot of people would buy it. 250 miles is quite enough for the Southeast Asia region, maybe all regions, even in Singapore it is a very sufficient range to get around all places in Singapore.
Ev car fires are killing the ozone
A big plus is less noise.
Interesting presentation...But there are lots of other logistic vehicles that contribute to the Carbon Footprint...eg. Planes, Military vehicles-Naval:Air and Land...plus all the blasting of missiles,explosives,etc..etc..Thus even though you did a great "Car-presentation", we must be fair to point out the other bug contributors to pollutions, including daily trucks,lorries,motorbikes....and so on and so forth....Thamks for your short episode...Of course no can cover the entire "Carbon Footprint" discussions in one short episode. Thank you again.
I wonder how many responsible and considerate owners will go back to retrieve car on time and get out of the lot when the car is charged. Humans are selfish...
I'm sure most people encountered long Q at petrol kiosks to pump petrol and to even fill the tires for obvious reason.
aiya simple one. car charge finish if never move the car, it charges your card $10/hr every hour your car is there. see ppl will move car from charging point or not. hahha
@@aFar1s Actually they're already charged by the minute for overparking 😛
Why no one uses galium battery
Nothing beats the vintage Merc though..
The only useful EV will be 1 that can reach Genting in a single charge.
Kind of already exist and longer ranges soon to be released.
The distance to Genting is about 410km.
ruclips.net/video/cc9iYjPLnFM/видео.html
Bro the new EVs such as Hyundai Ionic 5 all exceed 500 miles
@@lucretius8050 zeta is still in jurasic park n clueless 🤣
@@ThePatrickykm
Not even close!
"Hyundai is targeting a 300-mile range for the rear-drive model and 269 miles with all-wheel drive. We estimate the final versions will offer between 258 and 290 miles of range." - www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/ioniq-5
@@peted3637 sorry i accidently converted, not 500 miles, 500km, 480 to be percise,
Unless your hse can charge, otherwise you will be at mercy of power point rates..
aren't you at the mercy of fuel taxes if you drive a conventional car?
@@terence3908 it's international. Can compare
What a dumb comment. Can you pump petrol at your house or HDB Carpark now?
Nope, my house the street lights the air conditioner, none of it runs on pump fuel either. When good old electric company figures out they are going to have to expand production to meet the needs of having that many EVs the price will skyrocket for the consumers. More production is not cheap.
@@socketheadscrew707 government or government trolls will always starts the sentence with discrediting ppl before putting up their excuses. Seen alot in the paliment. So can you tell us more to enlighten us?
Great. Roads will be a lot of quiet and a lot less pollution from cleaner power plants
2 years on. Could CNA do another take on the EV scene? Always love CNA insight on matters.
What generates electricity?
What about safety aspect .? In an accident EV fire is difficult to put out
Big change from steve's car!! hahah