Top Thrill 2 POV and B-Roll Video - New for 2024 Roller Coaster at Cedar Point!
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- Cedar Point has officially unveiled the reimagining of the park's Top Thrill Dragster, coming in the form of Top Thrill 2! Gone is the original hydraulic launch and in its place is a new launch powered by Linear Synchronous Motors (LSMs). The ride will feature three launches, two forward and one backward, as well as a new 420 feet tall vertical spike! This will make the coaster the world's tallest and fastest triple launch strata coaster as well as the world's only dual-tower strata coaster! And yes, the ride will be built by Zamperla! Comment below what you think of this mega addition!
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The funny thing is, there's still the potential for a rollback after the third launch. Imagine that experience, *five, maybe six* launches!
Aren't these lsm launches cuz I've heard they are more accurate
That would be the best thing everrr
I imagine if that did happen, the LSM would act as a brake and slow it at this point to a stop
@@totally_no_hakss3332 They are more accurate, but I'm pretty sure Pantheon has experienced a rollback or two, so there's always a chance!
No it’d be 5, to be 6, the turn table would have to activate between the second and third launch, which you could imagine isn’t being very safe for multiple reasons
Zamperla deniers: “Maybe they made a typo in their announcement” 🤓🤓
"someone hacked cedar points website"
"I swear Intamin is still involved in one way or another!"
For me it wasn't that. I feel like their post was a rough draft that was accidently published. The background photo wasnt TT2, the grammar was poor, and overall the formatting was unfinished. Definitely an oops moment.
Nah it was wishful thinking on my part lol
@@AmazedBunion "bad company like zamperla is bad press"
CP: laughs in late 90's Intamin
I never got the chance to ride the original dragster so I’ll take this for what it is. I’m gauging on it being much more reliable now. Can’t wait to get back to the Point.
@@AmazedBunioncedar point is a much better park than SFGA tho
@gamesnguns65back row Kingda Ka sucks tho
How so? The TTD trains were better (no OTSRs) and KK is a lot rougher than TTD ever was. Back car of TTD was glass. Try that in KK and you're gonna be jostled quite a bit. The airtime hill element on KK is nice but nothing earth shattering.
Doesn't matter now though; there's only one launch, tophat, brake accelerator coaster left.
@@AmazedBunionthis comment is ironic af because New Jersey is arguably more of a dump then Ohio 😂
@@itsme123669I'll definitely give you that Ka is rougher, but tbh I prefer over the shoulder restraints because they make me feel more secure as I have a crippling fear of heights. Coasters are pretty much the only thing I allow myself to get near that take me high in the air like that. I more scared of ferris wheels than any coaster haha
The line for this is going to be unreal. I doubt they'll manage to get through more than 500 riders per hour.
Yeah this is what I was thinking to this is going to struggle for capacity especially when compared to the original cuz they can't run that many trains
@@SniperTeamTangomost trains would just sit on the brake run, no? it wasn't continuous motion for all 6, so 3 with continuous motion should be about the same
@@gogy4 I don't think they can do more than 2 trains because there wouldn't be able to be a train before or after the tophat with a 3rd in motion without just huge hold times.
I worked there back in 2006 and MUCH of the capacity and RPH depends on the loading/unloading crew. Operating a ride like this even on the old dragster requires speed of the crew and efficiency they can't be on the platform lollygagging talking amongst themselves and slow dragging to get everyone secure in safely and dispatch the ride. I was just there Sunday and even the Magnum was slow ride operator cracking jokes about Cleveland browns fans just taking way too much extra time for nothing... Hell we got up to 800 riders per hour when I worked the corkscrew with all three trains
Y'all really think they didn't take into account how many block zones they're gonna need for 3 trains?!?
This looks like the most phenomenal drop-coaster and potentially thrill ride I’ve ever seen.
I rode the original Dragster the day it opened and I'm already planning on getting park tickets for 2024! I'm so excited. This looks awesome, and I hope this is the boost Zamperla needs and deserves in the coaster community.
I went for the first time around 09, and I just can’t imagine the coaster skyline without TTD. really glad it’s sticking around in one form or another
Well, I'm really looking forward to that spike descending and the 3rd launch. I mean, every cycle will include a rollback AND a blazing fast top hat clearance... And we still have Formula Rossa and Kingda Ka for the hydraulic punch
That’s not what I would consider a roll back though. You are maybe making it 80-100’ up. This is what really hurts the ride in my mind. I would much rather have a 400’ roll back then a 420’ spike. They could fix this if the redo that anemic launch to 100-110 mph.
@@ridinbmw The top hat doesnt go vertical till 200 plus feet up. Going 74 mph itll likely make 200 plus feet up easily.
@@racecar6278
Still doesn’t change my opinion on it. Should of at least made it 75% up the top hat. Back of the train isn’t even going vertical at the point of the rollback
@@ridinbmw i've rewatched the video and you're right. At least they can fix that with programming
@tufab3494 this is likely a mechanical issue. The LSMs only have so much power
It looks nuts now. I never got to ride the first version of it, but I'm really hoping some day I get to ride this next version.
Honestly Im kinda disappointed that it doesnt go all the way up then rollback down. A twisted spike would be insane and groundbreaking. Im glad this coaster does have new life being breathed into it again.
Yeah, the name seems to be an afterthought. If the ride meets/exceeds expectations, no one will care. If it somehow fails, the good folks at Cedar Point and Zamperla will never live it down. 😅
My cousin and I rode this in ‘09. We were half way through the line when an ambulance pulled right on the other side at the exit. We watched as this “60’s” year old lady was placed on a gurney and taken away . She had passed out somewhere towards the top and didn’t regain awareness until the Ems were standing over her. My cousin and I both told each other “ we’re in one hell of a ride” . Top thrill is my favorite ride ever. That thing was FAST! Good memories
ummm how could you been able to ride top thrill dragster 2 when it wasn't even around then in 09. Only the original was around.
@@Sasskittenhe's clearly talking about the original...
So this is the Wicked Twister and Top Thrill Dragster replacement all in 1 😂
Maybe it’s just me, but I absolutely despise the whole, “tallest and fastest coaster with a launch, a loop and blue track in North America” type of advertising. I think theme parks have been reaching a lot for their records lately.
Valid point!!!! I agree.
Anybody who says "ITS NOT 500FT SO ITS BAD" should get a reality check... THIS LOOKS SICK! Go Zamperla!
I forget who exactly makes these animations for the parks, but holy crap they are so good at what they do. Not only does the new(-ish) ride look great here, but so does the rest of CP.
That would be Keith McVeen, who is now in creative design at Universal. Has been famous for his amazing rendering work in the amusement park world for years. Started as "Badnitrus" and moved professionally into the space as "3DVIP" before landing the job at Universal.
It doesn't look to be the case here, but NoLimits 2 is actually used very frequently for coaster announcement videos.
@@ShaunRajewskiI wish more parks worked with him. Don't know if Universal has some agreement where he can't work with other parks though
It's cool, but I'm disappointed there won't be a hydrolic 0 to 120 launch anymore.
all hydraulic launches will be gone eventually...
@@bigiggmac Ik. It kinda sucks because I mean they're so intense and forceful. The one on maverick is such an incredible launch.
they just need a steam catapult
0 to 200 in 1.5 seconds
@@shaneh3109 thats with lsm's
I was really hoping launch 1 would be about 100mph, that way you go higher up the top hat, like it actually accidently missed the mark to clear it. 74mph on that long of straightaway just doesnt do it for me. Will still be very fun, but I should have lowered my expectations.
AGREE!!! why not go most of the way up the top hat?! So underwhelming, but still excited for that spike and the forces to come with it
Only good part is the floater at the top of the spike
At this stage they should just skip the forward launch and start with a reverse launch. Not gaining anything with that forward launch and your reducing rider capacity. If it went up 380-400 feet it would be worth the decrease in ride capacity
It's probably something to do with the backwards being too fast if they went higher up. Idk I'm just guessing.
maybe ride it before deciding?
Can't wait to stand in line for 3 hours for a minute long ride
3 hours if the park isn’t full, when this first opens next year lines are going to be all day events for sure
Then don't
Well it used to be 3 hours in line for a 20 second ride, so there's an improvement in that respect at least
just run to the ride when the park opens
better than hours for a few second ride?
Why is everyone so down, like shut up, this is gonna be dope!!!
This is gonna be dope! If I ever make it to Cedar Point, I'm gonna have to ride this
You gotta visit at least 2 times, 3 if you bring kids.
this thing is gonna have a capacity of literally dozens of people per hour
The sound of the LSM's are gonna be loud af when this thing flies by.
Can't be any louder than before...
Will probably end up like Superman: EFK at SFMM with the loud launxh
The wait times boutta be outrageous 😬
No more than for any new ride. The capacity is actually fine. From the start of the launch sequence, it takes 45 seconds until the train crests the tophat. At that point, the track can switch and the next train can move into position and launch. If that takes 15 seconds, that's one train a minute for a capacity of 1200.
@@KingdaToro oh so they are gonna have 2 trains? Lol I can’t lie I’ve never been but have always wanted to but to poor to travel lol
@@KeybladeScar Three. There's no reason whatsoever for a ride like this to only have one.
Top Thrill 2: Electric Boogaloo
A lot of straight track with the 3 launches, wish they added a small bump like on pantheon
Never thought they would go ahead and do this! How frickin cool! Twisted Dragster would be the appropiate name though, it is a piece of art, not a generic beer!
As a coaster fan, I dig it. It won't have the same mind-blowing launch but between the rollback, the backwards launch and the spike there's a bit more to the ride. I'm glad in a way that the spike is straight, as the way down from the top hat is already twisted.
Not that any of this matters. Success will be measured not by how good the coaster fans will think it is compared to the orginal, but by how much uptime it has, how safe and reliable it is, and if it can run at the capacity that Cedar Point needs. Zamperla coasters so far hanven't been great (in fact I struggle to think of one I'd even call "good") but they seem to run well enough in that regard. It helps that all new track Zamperla has to put in is straight as a ruler, Intamin has done the work for them when it comes to the tricky bits. The wildcard is the new trains. They look like plastic toys. I hope those are sturdier than they look.
For those at home keeping score. New records broken by Top Thrill 2:
Top Speed - 0
Height - 0
Acceleration - 0
So what? Who ever told you it was going to break records? Cringe ass coaster enthusiasts who know nothing? It’s your OWN fault for making your expectations too high.
I don’t fucking understand how they can’t launch it up to 120mph with 1 launch using LSMs but they can slow it down with them in the brake run.
This dude ryan the ride mechanic has a couple videos explaining lsm brakes and lsm launches
I see a missed opportunity to break the "fastest inversion" record! After the drop from the top hat, why not use all that speed to rise up into a twist or heart line roll or Hell really go for it and double up like outlaw run! I just hate all that wasted straight track at the end! 💯🤷🏻♂️🤣🤣
EXACTLY!!!
I've never been in the original one, also never been in Kingda Ka. I hope one day to try both because that hydraulic launch also always seemed awesome, but I like top thrill 2 too
Like the "headchopper" on the back of the station canopy!
Shocked the queue is in the middle of the ride still. At least it is covered
oh my god this looks sick
top thrill
If only they added a good bump in that last stretch that would be the most badass ride ever, but thats being too greedy hahah. So awesome!
My name vote would have been "Check Point". It's racing related, it fits with the CP logo, it passes the Cedar Point Wordplay vibe
I'm just going to keep calling this Wicked Dragster.
the second and third launch gotta be the most thrilling from the feeling of speed
Does the first launch really take 7 seconds? Hard to "smoke the competition" when Maverick's launch is twice as fast 😆
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The fact this happens the same day I went to FunSpot 🤣😂😂
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lol i grew up in Sandusky and used to save pepsi cans for the $5 off a ticket back in the late 2000's as a teen when me and pals would go here for something to do on the weekends. for anybody reading this, go ride Millennium Force instead. Dragster is literally 7 hours in line for an up and down. Trust me, I've been here a few 4 dozen times at least.
Well your sources are pretty good Ryan! Note they don't show it return to station, the trains are actually one time use😂 I imagine the intentional rollback will tank their capacity numbers, right?
It won't be too bad. Time it from the start of the launch sequence to cresting the tophat. 45 seconds. If they can get the next train in position and launched 15 seconds later, that's one train a minute for a capacity of 1200.
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that station overhang after the spike looks scary
Here's my take;
1. If I want fast launch up hill kingda ka is closer and im gonna go ride that.
2. Holy smokes they made rollbacks a feature. "Its not a bug, its a feature".
3. I saw the switch track there. I have a feeling capacity isnt going to be nearly as bad as everyone thinks its gonna be. My guess is maybe 3-4 trains and it'll *constantly* be dispacting those trains into the circuit and such.
Mean Streak 2 and Mantis 2
thats terrifying
That backwards launch will be epic!
All ~27mph down how many hundreds of feet of track? Pathetic is more like it.
Nonsense. It’s my favorite part of pantheon.
Looks nice & sick to me ))
Oof that greatly reduces it's hourly compacity. Ryan won't be too happy about that
I haven’t been to Cedar Point yet so everything will be new to me. Can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m scared to ride Top Thrill 2 😂 That looks like too much to go through
don't do it
ITS T3!!!!!!!!!
Should have called it “Wicked Dragster”
I gotta say its really funny watching this channel being a fellow Rollercoaster autist who happens to also love toro and name is Ryan.
If Ryan told it was raining cats and dogs, I’d believe him cause he has NEVER lied
Really wish Intamin was working on this bc then cedar fair would work with the goat manufacturer
Way too cool!!
whos ready for kingda 2 in 3 years
that's fire 🔥
Y’all got all in your enthusiast fantasy world and really over reimagined this, y’all had new intamin track replacing all the old, different colors, 2 tops hats, a twisted spike of 555 ft, an airtime him swing launch, and bunny hill after the original top hat! Take a chill pill for all future attractions.
1 word....SWEET😊😅
I love this ride already why is my coaster community so toxic about it haha
I think it comes down to the park it’s at and how it was hyped. Cedar point is known for it’s innovative rides (mxl200, millennium force, ttd), so when they hype up this ride by saying “smoke the competition,” many instantly thought a height record was going to be beaten. Even news outlets were speculating that, so when it was announced and all it was was a vertical spike that was already known about by most, it became a little disappointing.
@@leitakcocThoosies were the people who overhyped it. CP barely overhyped it.
@@Mrbushbtalls837 I never said they overhyped it. I said they hyped it improperly, giving everyone the wrong idea including news outlets.
@@leitakcoc true
Hopefully the dispatch times are fast.. love the blue station but i wish it wasn't a wall on the platform dividing the loading & launch side..
The wall is likely there to prevent loose articles from flying into the station from zooming trains
I was hoping the rollback would be higher up the tophat
THE QUENE IS IN THE SAME SPOT
_Lets not take our eyes off the ball here._ What about *BLOCK ZONES??*
So hyped
Yes and probably more reliable...it was down in 2019 when I went. Been on dragster before too
Wicked Twister sneaking back into the park
Cool
Not trying to sound ungreatful but I REALLY wish there was a bunny hill on the launch
I hope Cedar Point implements some sort of virtual queing system for this, otherwise a physical line could very well be like 3 or 4 hours long due to the ridiculously low rider capacity.
Hell, I remember waiting almost 3 hours for the original Top Thrill Dragster in 2004, and the ride was half as long back then.
The capacity should be fine. The launch sequence takes 45 seconds until the train crests the tophat, so if you assume 15 seconds to switch the track, bring the next train on, and start its launch sequence, that's one train per minute. 60 trains per hour x 20 seats per train = 1200 riders per hour. That's actually about the same as Millennium Force.
I hope they made improvements so TD2 doesn't cause the same thing that TD did that got it torn down. Personally I feel it is in bad taste to make a TD 2 considering what happen to that woman. Speaking of does anyone have an update on her? I hadn't heard anything since from the day it happened.
@@Sasskitten Incidents like that don't even typically close coasters. Not even a fatality typically will, as long as the cause is found and addressed. Just look at New Texas Giant and Superman The Ride (at SFNE).
I waited three years for this?
I can’t believe RMC pulled this off. I thought Cedar Fair was done working with them!😮
Lol wut
@@SniperTeamTango I’m kidding lol
The airtime in that back seat is going to be amazing on the spike and the whip over the top hat! But what is the theoretical throughput?
And most importantly, what are its block zones 😂😂
@@RyanS493Probably Station, Transfer Track, Launch Track, Brake Zone 1, Brake Zone 2, or something like that
At a 60 second design cycle time, 1200rph, but I'm guessing CP will run it closer to 75 for 960rph.
1200, assuming it takes 15 seconds to move the switch track, move the next train into position, and begin its launch. The launch sequence is 45 seconds up until the train crests the tophat, so that's one train a minute.
@@KingdaToro the linear switch that Zamperla showed (ruclips.net/video/UGwrz2WaFKo/видео.html) is 3 second actuation time. There's likely time buffer on either side for safety element engagement though, but the actual slide is around 3 seconds.
That name though....also, I wish the first launch made it higher on the top hat but man this does look good. That said, look at the covers for the queue, they are taking no chances.
this thing is going to be awesome! and this pov video is well done so i’m glad about that
Sitting on the coaster before launching, I’d look at that top hat thinking I’ll be up there in 5 seconds.
The power and intensity was the real thrill for me. This will be missed.
The first launch will be just over half the power of its original launch. So you might go vertical possibly but no higher before going backwards. Going backwards up a spike. Then forward again.
I fear that this is just going to disappoint guests that have ridden this in previous years.
We need a full pov though
i cant wait
I would love for you to do a video on the Fury 325 support beam crack situation!! It's my home park and almost nothing like that has ever happened there.
I like it
This thing looks amazing. I don't get the hate for it. But then, I remember that you can't please everyone. Especially the ones who hate things just because. *coughs* entitled coaster enthusiasts *coughs*
Huge missed opportunity not to call this Top Thrill 420
You should expect a cedar fair marketing job offer shortly. :) If they don't offer it to you, there will be TWO missed opportunities for them. ;)
Top Thrill 2 - Blaze It
No more yellow and red theme that confuses where it ends and Iron Dragon begins...at a distance.
Have fun thrill seekers!
Let's figure out the capacity!
The critical thing to consider here is when the switch track can move into the position that allows a train to move from the station to the launch track. The earliest possible time is when the train passes it during the second launch, at about 1:04 in the video. But this is potentially unsafe as the train could still potentially roll back after the second launch. So, the more likely point it'll be able to move is when the train crests the tophat, at 1:13. The launch sequence begins at 0:29, so the launch sequence takes 44 seconds up until the point where the switch track can move. Let's assume 15 seconds for the switch track to move and the next train to move into position and begin its launch sequence. That means a 1 minute interval between trains. With a 20-person train, that works out to 60 dispatches an hour, or 1200 riders per hour. Actually not bad. It seems like the station itself may wind up being the limiting factor, as consistently dispatching trains at 1 minute intervals isn't easy. Hopefully it will at least have a separate unloading station.
60 second dispatch on the trains may be possible due to the Lightning car restraint design. Separate load/unload can't hurt, but I'm not sure it's strictly necessary, more beneficial could be a hold section between load/unload and the switch. But there's no evidence of either in this video.
@@ragzillaz You can see what sure looks like a hold section at 0:51
@@KingdaToro are you talking about the middle track which goes left out of the station? I'm assuming that's service track. There's a small motor roll out which goes straight forward to the switch but it doesn't look nearly long enough to hold a train. If you check out Zamperla's video on their "Lightning Launch 1074m" layout they're claiming 1300 rph with a 5 car (20 rider) Lightning train, 60 second cycle time. ruclips.net/video/n2RJGquo3Ys/видео.html
Am I the only one who's disappointed? I kinda want the old one back.
People have to understand it’s basically impossible to make the top hat in a single launch with that little amount of track using LSMs. Only the hydraulic launch can do that; LSMs can’t accelerate the trains as fast in such little track/time. That’s why there’s the backwards launch: to build some speed for the third launch (which pushes the train up the top hat). And at the same time the hydraulic launch was very unreliable. So in the long run, switching to LSMs will probably save money and the ride will (mostly likely) have less downtime.
LSMs can, it just costs more in capital and operating expense to run double/triple LSM (and/or you have to cut down on train length, like they did with Red Force).
oh, okay, I'm sorry then, hey, guys, it's not possible to match the hydraulic launch and this will be more reliable, that means it's exciting and not boring!!
@@mack.attack well for theme parks, reliability is very important, more important to them than you think. Because parks need to spend more money on things that are unreliable. If reliability wasn’t important then coasters like Hypersonic XLC would still be here…
Absolutely awesome! CP another Record Breaker!
So will this only run one train?!
Fairly sure it will run 3 at a time, maybe two if there isn’t a seperate unload platform
Imagine rolling back a second time
2 fast 2 dragster
So I don't get to go 0-120 in 3.7s or whatever. That blows, acceleration was easily the bigger draw than height for me
The wait time is going to suck honestly.
This is gone be Insane!!! Can’t Wait!!!
I wish that maybe they increased the height of the Top Hat to beat the world record, and had the spike at 420ft as an homage to it's former form
unless they planned to increase the top hat to over 606 ft, it wouldn't hold the world height record for very long. Falcon's Flight is being erected as we speak. It's going to obliterate every record if all goes according to construction plans within the next year or so.
@@danamarie2970keyword IF. intamin is going to force the saudis to be more realistic than that rendering.
@@danamarie2970 I still think Falcon's Flight is smoke and mirrors, the middle east is known for making big bold ambitious plans and then cancelling them or scaling back as the prince financing it pulls out
Every Dragster's fan dream. "You get and rollback and you rollback and you get a rollback" Nice!!! I've only gotten one rollback ever.
people riding this will only get ⅓ of one 😂 the reason people wanted a rollback was to get two of the 0-120mph launches lmao. nobody is jonesing to go 0-74 in 7 seconds again