Debate Follow-Up - Rem is Wrong... Plus He's White
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Date streamed: 5/21/2020
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Start
01:37 - Culture Tied to Land
04:14 - Rem's Knowledge Level
07:58 - Land Ownership
15:11 - How to Resolve Disputes
17:50 - Minorities vs Majorities
23:09 - Autonomy and Democracy
29:43 - Longterm Harm of Pipeline
37:39 - Change of Culture
44:30 - Reimbursign Indigenous Peoples
47:17 - Destiny's Rhetoric
52:14 - State Violence
01:03:09 - Doing vs Allowing Harm
01:11:20 - Conclusion... Plus you're White
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Destiny took Vaush's video in this debate
Hal Habib *Vaush’s Vidya
I mean if you want Destiny to do content with Vaush he literally has to since Vaush is banned on Twitch
This video was Vaush's culture too. Clearly Destiny just wants to destroy Vaush's culture.
@@ataridc whys he banned?
@@Dawid-wc8sb He got mad at watching some Zionist propaganda and said some inflammatory stuff.
Vaush colonized Destinys RUclips Channel in this debate
this is easily the funniest comment on this video why do you only have 200 likes
@Tywin Lannister No idea why you felt the need to be like that, but stay mad I guess
@Tywin LannisterDude I just thought it would be funny to make a Debate joke about colonization since the footage used here was Vaush's. You clearly just want to start shit and its kind of pathetic.
@@Osiris2134 Soviets bad
Vaush was just vibing in this debate
plus hes white
@@MrPopoopopopopo 😂😂😂🧐
"Hey, it's me. I haven't even watched the whole video but I'm still summarizing it because I want to get recognition from random RUclips-watchers. Fuck my life."
@@bokajon You do know these videos come from live streams, right? He could have seen it live.
@@bokajon bro what are you genuinely ok
Destiny looks like Irishladdie in this debate... plus he is white
destiny is actually half mexican. nice try though, whitey.
@@Harrison1875 cuba = mexico Pepega
@@Harrison1875 no pfp no opinion
@@Vearotic he's half red but, but okay bro
@@askliam4266 he is half yellow but ok bro
Destiny, Vaush and Rem were white in this debate.
Fucking true
And it was so
Yeah.. but only one of those three is a "Gusano"
@Manuel Antuña check out the big brain on Brad!
@@manuelantuna26 just like only one of them is "Polish". Bruh what?
Vaush was a good moderator, I can’t believe rem was complaining about how Vaush didn’t moderate when vaush was technically on his side too.
I'd call him more of a mediator than a moderator. He was mostly just trying to steelman Rem cos Rem isn't a debater and is usually pretty shit at getting a point across
@@Eden-LikeTheGarden-Rama yeah lmao, was hilarious how much easier vaush could clearly make arguments in rems favour
Faust And Rem still complained that Vaush was somehow against him.
He was Hoping for the dog-pile. Typical.
vaush wasn't a moderator, he was literally holding rems hand the whole time
Destiny’s editor lost to Vaush’s editor in this debate
*in this debate
This comment won the debate
@@sanguinesr0se Doesn't Highyena also do editing?
and hes probably white
Destiny provided advertisement for Vaush's stream in this debate
Extremely based advertisement
@@TheBadAssNcrRanger Destiny doing more praxis than BoB
Advertisement? He played like shit, shame
@@63Limar bruh I never played terraria but if u right then what a noob lel.
@@63Limar he makes lit political commentary tho
Destiny and Vaush have a strange relationship
Their relationship reminds me of my divorced parents relationship
Its cute
Ivan Ivanovich Rasputin no he wouldn’t. Because that would be gay. And my pastor says that’s bad
Tossa4u Your pastor isn’t cool. Plus, he’s white.
@@ivanivanovichrasputin3098 I've actually donated to Vaush just to have him answer on whether or not he'd fuck Destiny. He said he wouldn't, but I think he called him cute.
we love moderator Vaush
Destiny was Cuban in this debate
@Communist Alpha Male Banging Capitalist Beta males you're irksome
Esteban "el gusanito" Benoblito
Sorry, doesnt work. The likes are all the angry white boys desperate for a comeback LOL.
I legitimately love seeing destiny and vaush getting along. They're incredible conversation partners and really have fantastic back and forths over whatever they're discussing.
I agree, but it appears that destiny goes overboard in attempt to show the distinction between his and their position when in reality the distinction is far more subtle.
Vaush is destiny's son. Their destiny is to be together in a incest gay relationship.
nice pfp x2
plus, they're both white
@@wiptide - I'm stating the obvious here, but that is subjective. 👌👌
Ahh yes a video without league gameplay
the real hero right here
Love to see it
Something tells me this discussion would’ve gone over a lot better if it was just Destiny and Vaush.
Vaush shoved his pipeline into destiny's native land in this debate
"laying pipe" was the phrase Vaush used in the debate
@@develote7670 destiny beat that in rems last debate when he said "if we wanted to we could shit down the throat of every native"
I love that after the debate, rem keeps saying that vaush was against him or that he fail at defending his points.
Vaush was intrusivly and criticly questioning destiny all the time wtf?
Clearly he was butt hurt.
Rem did video on how vaush is a bad faith actor that needs to be taken down, honestly vaush had no reason to be nearly as amicable as he was.
Can we start a petition to get Vaush unbanned from twitch? I want to see him moderate more of Destiny’s debates
No...he literally sucks off destiny, that's not what a moderator should do
“Steelmanning both sides = sucking off”
@@allinwatts4670 Generating fruitful discussion? Idk sounds pretty GAY dude /s
@@younggotti8195 Nice fan fiction. In reality though, he spent most of the time defending Rem and challenging Destiny.
Having him be able to go on Rajj and other debate panels would be awesome.
Imagine respecting property rights while calling indigenous people squatters on their own land.
"reservations are extremely welcoming to all people"
Rem has never visited a reservation.
I think it's the perfect moment to insert the Curb your Enthusiasm theme.
Neither have you
Vaush: "wait you're Canadian?"
Rem: "yeah I'm Canadian"
Vaush: "Fuck... That sucks"
OMEGALUL
Destiny uploaded a Vaush debate in this debate
“I’m not trigger- “NOOOOONONO IVE BEEN WATCHING YOU LONG ENOUGH okay buddy”
Let’s all come together as a family and watch our dads fight bois
I love how Vaush just walks around on Terraria polishing the terrain on his world rather than just trying to speed run the bosses asap like I do lol, I can imagine that probably gives him a lot more from the game.
Haha you're probably the only one commenting on the gameplay
I love making the terrain a straight line throughout the entire world, it feels good not to have to use a spacebar.
@@mayman4255 why not just build a sky road?
Mayman this hurt my soul
These left vs further left debates are much better than left vs right
So wrong.
So right
Brave and wrong, plus you’re white
Content wise, usually left vs right. Intellectually, left vs further left usually.
@@fuckayou3209 dankula vs vaush was NOT content, right vs left can be content and it can also be cancer, while left vs left can be both content and informational
Destiny looks like Vaush in this debate.
I was hella confused for a second.
Edit:
Plus he's white.
Destiny posted Vaush’s content in this debate
@@JonBall44 Well, it was hosted exclusively on Vaush's channel, so it's his. But I highly doubt Vaush would care anyway. Idk why he would
@@towel-cat If you look at the description you'll find out that Vaush explicitly allowed Destiny('s editors) to use his content, so yeah
@@towel-cat Vaush gave the permission he said it in his last stream
imagine thinking you're woke but also being white OMEGALUL
True, Rem is so stupid
Man, this makes me want Twitch to unban Vaush and get on streams like the Rajj Royale or the Scuffed Podcast and interact with other Twitch streamers. I feel like he can bring insightful commentary to a larger audience.
Why did he get banned?
@@tehking111 He had an extremist anti-zionist take that twitch seemed to dislike. It was hyperbole but alas
Confident Lime said that israel should be bombed
I assume it was reported and twitch interpreted as anti semitism
@@marcosa2000 wait and that got him insta banned with no warnings? Or did he have warnings before that?
@@tehking111 It was pretty extreme. He said Israel should be bombed. To the best of my knowledge there was no other warning, but I may be wrong
Why does Rem sound like Vaush's impression of Sargon...
@@averywealthyman4194 his scottish accent is spot on tho lol
2:33 Lmao. That face says it all.
Should've been in the thumbnail.
Rem was forgotten in this debate.
Who's Rem?
@@user-ek2zx8tt2k Exactly
I'm glad my Dads are talking again
Really happy to see destiny and vaush discussing again. I really enjoy how both of them think and analyze problems. So both of them together you really get to see them digging in and fleshing out their ideas with each other and asking questions. Really great stuff. Id love to see more of the 2 of you for sure
Destiny appropriated Vaush's VOD in this debate, plus he's white
Rem tried to debate destiny while destiny was debating vaush in this debate
10:33
Vaush: *makes a point*
Rem: right?
DestinY: Shut the fuck up rem
Rem: sorry :/
Why'd I found this so fuckin funny
when you wake up feeling kind of weird, check your youtube, and now you're a vaush fan.
This is literally the vaush vs destiny arch but with rem.
And a lot friendlier between Vaush and Destiny.
I never expected a video where Destiny is actually talking to Vaush in good faith. We found REMs best use.
Sort of what happens when you're moderating and not taking a dipshit stance.
Destiny and Vaush's irl discussion was pretty good faith from what I remember too.
@@Mr.ClimateChange how long ago was that? The last 2 or 3 i remember were batshit crazy
Vaush saved Rem in this debate
Rem is the human version of a Starbucks soy latte
“He’s going to attack me!”
*Immediately act defensive and hostile the moment Destiny opens his mouth*
Damn chase, can’t go ONE SECOND without talking about the anime.
9:15 Destiny got so worked up he said 'Irreagrdless'
Vaush was a translator in this debate
He actually just posted Vaush's video lmaooo
His editor did*
With Vaush's permission.
Destiny seems to just have his editors do pretty much what ever.
Vaush: "Can I moderate?"
*gets involved in the debate*
potatoid - 01 yeah, it was more like mediating.
@@BlakeZeb Nah it was more like carrying Rem
So Rem thought Vaush moderated poorly? Vaush clearly stepped in when he thought Rem and Destiny were talking past eachother...
More like Vaush stepped in when Rem was about to be steamrolled. It was merciful.
@@password460 I think he was doing it unintentionally most of the time. Also, the fact that Vaush was mostly arguing against Destiny is enough to make Rem's claims unwarranted.
Rem was ignored in this debate
Rem watched Vaush and Destiny make out at a high school party in this debate
I always can't tell whether people are trolling or not in Destiny's comment section. Especially the one in this debate.
Love seeing vaush back
oh boy cant wait to watch a vaush upload on destinies channel
Rem has this unique ability to make me not care about every topic he brings up.
Vaush didn't survive the blood moon in this debate
interesting how destiny excludes the 30 minute discussion vaush and rem had before destiny joined. I feel that context was needed
Ya know hearing Vaush in this made me like him a good bit more, good shit
AMAZIN title
The weird thing is I actually think Destiny doesn’t notice his debate tactics.
Damn, I already watched this on Vaush, I was hoping this was him discussing his discussion with Rem and Vaush
Vaush Destiny'd in this white rem
Destiny got cuter in this debate
"Plus you're white"
54:45
55:00
57:07
57:47
58:58
1:11:42
I can feel your whiteness from my screen
Does Rem think that these Natives found some land and just sat on it for a millennia and that’s the largest extent of their culture? Does food, art, clothing, navigation, music, mythologies/legends, ceremonies, diplomatic traditions, and their traditional laws not count? Or were those just minuscule contributions?
Also, I reject this idea that we should respect land ownership based on who has traditional claims. If the Jews and Muslims in Israel and Palestine want to fight over that shit, that’s their business. But that’s a toxic shitshow I don’t feel comfortable emulating.
@@homelessengineer5498
I hope you have a good idea of different Native tribes' values and cultures because I will grill the fuck out of you if you don't. Rem doesn't talk about it because he's clueless, but one of the most important cultural aspects of the Iroquois's tribes is their unification myth. From that myth, we learn that things like their composing tribes' different headbands, beaded jewelry as symbolic gifts used for diplomacy, and their traditions passed down from the Great Law of Peace play integral parts in their culture. And that's just a small part of the importance of their unification myth. Sure, the land has meaning as it does to any group of people, but pretending that a people's culture is at all contingent on the exact land they hold like Rem believes is ridiculous.
I wrote like three paragraphs arguing against your Chinese conquest bit before realizing I was writing something you probably wouldn't read and, more importantly, it was getting off-track from what is relevant. If you really want to have that argument, I'll rewrite it.
And your last paragraph is where I can tell that you don't really care about the conversation. Destiny literally said the opposite in the last debate. He said he wants to get rid of the reservation system and bring Natives fully into the fold of United States citizens and take care of them as we do for every other citizen. I don't know if you're aware, but the reservation system is fucking awful. Native's usage of illicit drugs is at the highest rate of any other race in the country, the rate of binge-drinking is 23.5%, tobacco smoking is at 40.1%, all the associated health risks from smoking, drinking, and hard drugs are at much greater rates (especially on reservations where their healthcare system is horrendous), mental health problems are flatly untreated, suicide rates are incredibly high (acutely in the 10-34 age category), they don't even have proper fucking home addresses, the poverty rate on reservations is more than twice that of the national average (28.4% vs. 12.7%), etc. Destiny said that he wants to bring Natives in to help address these problems that afflict their communities. He believes in our ideal of being a cultural melting pot, said he has love for all people, and doesn't think that the system of reservations is working for anyone here.
Mom and dad didn't fight in this debate :)
Rem did not include slavery or discrimination against outsiders in his elaborate "noble savages" fanfic. He also read 10 books and still did not know that 2:10 "Micmac" is considered a discriminatory term by the group of people he supposedly knows the most about lol
Love the title
I thought I clicked on a vaush video for a sec
These 3 need to do a damn talk show. It would be golden.
How did this "you're so white" meme start?
Don't care didn't ask , plus your white
Basically Biden said "all my supporters are black so destiny is memeing that Biden haters are white"
It evolved from the "don't care, didn't ask" meme. Probably in response to a "don't care, didn't ask plus you're black" meme from 4chan
Holy hell, I’m rewatching the debates and rem is the most emotionally exhausting dude.
Waiting for that super mega jazz
the way in which Destiny dismissed the hyperbolic irrealistic hypothetical Rem posed at the beginning of the conversation makes me question if he should be taken seriously anymore. Like, holy fucc, he did this literally 100,000 times in 100,000 different debates. It is a rather aggressive, but effective way of testing whether a statement or moral prescription generally holds water.
this was dope
loving this content
21:05 Destiny brings up a good point. In sociology, we tend to lean away from using words like minority and majority and use the terms, subordinate groups, and dominant groups.
While I know there are many reason sociologists frame statements in that manner, I think one of the simple ones is because they understand that both minority and majority bring about bias implicitly due to the weight those words carry in society.
"I don't know why you're being such an asshole."
Because you're you Rem. Destiny was way nicer than he could have been in this debate.
Vaush made it to the channel PogU
57:03 it’s not everyday a few seconds are both the highlight and perfect encapsulation of an entire debate.
In this debate destiny talks about laying pipe
I feel like Destiny's positivist realism is too reductionist and truncated conceptually. He should learn more about poststructuralist thought; integrating the deconstruction of conceptual frameworks and implicit presuppositions in concepts and ideology into his social and philosophical perspectives would broaden his horizons in productive ways I think.
Ahh yes 5Head
I watched Vaush play Terraria on Destiny's channel in this debate.
Damn Vaush and Destiny are such a dynamic duo I love it
Well . . .
The good old time
10/10 title
Destiny yoinked Vaush's video in this video
Best part about this pipeline... is that its being built beside an already existing one... Its just 1 tribe who band councils agree on the pipeline yo be built are being blocked by a minority based
KhorneYEG It’s almost always like this. Like 1.5 actual indigenous people protesting alongside 1000 unbathed white socialists
Also Rem also likes to ignore the fact these people illegally blocksided CN railways. Causring Economic damage for Eastern Canada. To the point Atlantic Canada Grocery stores were having shortages on everything. Having to truck things across.
Stick to American politics. Everybody in this debate made it very clear they don't understand the complex relationship between Canada and the First Nations People of Canada. They could have used this time learning along with the audience about the topic instead of acting like they know already. Oh well.
this is dumb comment, you don't need a deep understanding of this to answer the question "is it ok for Canada to build pipelines through native land against their will?"
@@ultimateblaze23 I'm glad you took the time to warn everybody that your comment is dumb.
the problem is that this case mixes two forms of societies: the liberal, post-enlightment, contract based modern state vs. an ethno-centric blood and soil variant.
you cannot implement both for a long time without running into contradictions
This is a debate between 2 people who have no idea what they are talking about.
Destiny uploaded Vaush's stream in this debate
I feel like I've seen this somewhere before
Vuash being "hosted" by Destiny. I love this timeline.
Vaush just wanted to play Terraria in this debate
Vaush became the subject of conversation in this debate
2:33 that Jim from The Office look. XD
There's that *YAKUBIAN ENERGY* again from Rem
Destiny used destiny debate tactics in this debate
This is pretty cool.
Destiny’s editor didn’t observe fair use in this debate
vaush became destiny in this debate